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Fantasy Proleague R2 10-11 Discussion - Page 9

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Garrl
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Scotland1975 Posts
November 22 2010 10:24 GMT
#161
With KT and Oz, their aces are going to be used every match; therefore they're too predictable, and will get sniped every time, but with SKT, the teams will HAVE to send out a player with equally good skill in all matchups, hence why I put Bisu over Flash and Jaedong, despite me being a JD fanboy.
Musoeun
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
United States4324 Posts
November 22 2010 12:07 GMT
#162
On November 22 2010 15:58 rsol wrote:
Meanwhile for a measly 1 point more Flash continues to crush _excellent_ players, is on a (at least theoretically) deeper team than Oz and is a guaranteed ace unlike Bisu.


Just for the record, in R1 Stats had more ace games (2>1) and more ace game wins (1>0) than Flash. Of course, that was partly due to Central Plains, which ought to be gone this round...
Don't Shoot the Penguins. | Dance, 성은, dance! | Killer FanKlub | Action sucks. | Storm Terran hwaiting.
aimaimaim
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
Philippines2167 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-11-22 12:42:39
November 22 2010 12:26 GMT
#163
Flash is overrated in FPL .. meh .. i mean + Show Spoiler +
PseudoGod


unlike the true 'God' here + Show Spoiler +
KIM TAEK SHIN


they should be equal right? or strictly speaking this 'God' should be above flash right?

+ Show Spoiler +
now flame me about what i misunderstood. because the fanboy in me is somewhat sad about this
Religion is a dying idea .. || 'E-sport' outside Korea are nerds who wants to feel like rockstars. || I'm not gonna fuck with trolls on General Forum ever again .. FUCK!
Sawamura
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Malaysia7602 Posts
November 22 2010 12:50 GMT
#164
On November 22 2010 21:26 aimaimaim wrote:
Flash is overrated in FPL .. meh .. i mean + Show Spoiler +
PseudoGod


unlike the true 'God' here + Show Spoiler +
KIM TAEK SHIN


they should be equal right? or strictly speaking this 'God' should be above flash right?

+ Show Spoiler +
now flame me about what i misunderstood. because the fanboy in me is somewhat sad about this


Flash will destroy Bisu very easily mark my words .
BW/KT Forever R.I.P KT.Violet dearly missed ..
BLinD-RawR
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
ALLEYCAT BLUES50641 Posts
November 22 2010 13:59 GMT
#165
On November 22 2010 21:26 aimaimaim wrote:
Flash is overrated in FPL .. meh .. i mean + Show Spoiler +
PseudoGod


unlike the true 'God' here + Show Spoiler +
KIM TAEK SHIN


they should be equal right? or strictly speaking this 'God' should be above flash right?

+ Show Spoiler +
now flame me about what i misunderstood. because the fanboy in me is somewhat sad about this


A god does not slump..

KT will roll the other teams from round 2 and win the winner's league.
Brood War EICWoo Jung Ho, never forget.| Twitter: @BLinDRawR
integral
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
United States3156 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-11-23 00:37:24
November 23 2010 00:23 GMT
#166
Trading Rules:
  • You may make two trades per week from your main team, and one trade per week on your anti-team.
  • Trades will cost one point per traded player.
  • No trading up. The total adjusted trade value must remain even or decrease.
  • You may use any differential you gain or lose in trading any player for any trade you would like to make that week, as long as your total adjusted trade value remains the same or decreases. This means it is now possible to trade one expensive player and one cheap player for two medium-cost players.
  • You may use any remaining differential from your main team on your anti-team and vice versa.
  • I will post the adjusted trade values week-by-week in the thread I make for trading.
  • You must post your trades in that thread and in the format indicated and by the deadline indicated or your trades will not be included.
  • The trade value formula is detailed in the spoiler below. There is a new formula. If it doesn't make sense, don't worry about it, I'll be calculating it for you.


+ Show Spoiler [Trade Value formula] +

There is a new trade value formula this round where a player's trade value is based on their expected point output as indicated by their cost. This is essentially a progressive tax that mitigates the win-rate disparity between the best and the worst players -- wins do not affect expensive players as much, and losses do not affect cheaper players as much.

After every week trade value will become the new C, so costs will be compounded weekly.

If this doesn't make sense, don't worry about it, I'll be calculating it for you.

Trade Value = ((P/(3+(C/10)/9))/M) * (M/9) + (C*(9 - M)/9)

P = Player's points.
M = number of matches played.
C = Player's original cost

3 + (C/10) is the average points per cost each player is expected to earn over the round.
9 is the total number of matches each team plays in a round.

This formula figures out what a player's point cost would be given their current performance and their original cost. (ie someone scoring 4 points per match with an original cost of 10 would have a cost of 10) This is then weighted with their original cost; the weights are the percentage of games played for the "new" cost and percentage of games left for the original cost.

Adjusted trade value = Trade value * # of matches left.
infinitestory
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States4053 Posts
November 23 2010 00:28 GMT
#167
So basically, if we're trading A and B on main team as well as C on anti team for D and E on main team and F on anti team, A+B-C > D+E-F is the requirement?
Translator:3
integral
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
United States3156 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-11-23 00:36:36
November 23 2010 00:29 GMT
#168
A+B-C >= D+E-F
Greater than or equal to.

If you castrate your main-team you can castrate your anti-team.
If you beef your anti-team you can strengthen your main team.
BisuDagger
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
Bisutopia19307 Posts
November 23 2010 00:32 GMT
#169
I"m sure this has been asked, but I guess I'm completely missing where it is? But why doesnt TL use their old Fantasy PL system like they did before sc2 came out?

on topic of this thread:
Should I be worried about Horang2 on my antiteam?
ModeratorFormer Afreeca Starleague Caster: http://afreeca.tv/ASL2ENG2
Antoine
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States7481 Posts
November 23 2010 00:53 GMT
#170
that depends on whether or not they make any changes to the map pool; more specifically Central Plains
I want to know when any announcement about that is
ModeratorFlash Sea Action Snow Midas | TheStC Ret Tyler MC | RIP 우정호
Manit0u
Profile Blog Joined August 2004
Poland17692 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-11-23 01:07:49
November 23 2010 01:06 GMT
#171
On November 23 2010 09:32 BisuDagger wrote:
I"m sure this has been asked, but I guess I'm completely missing where it is? But why doesnt TL use their old Fantasy PL system like they did before sc2 came out?

on topic of this thread:
Should I be worried about Horang2 on my antiteam?


Ad. 1.

I was wondering this myself.

Ad. 2.

Yes, you should be worried. There are no signs of him slumping right now and in this situation any player worth 4-5 points is a highly possible scorer.
Time is precious. Waste it wisely.
infinitestory
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States4053 Posts
November 23 2010 01:34 GMT
#172
On November 23 2010 10:06 Manit0u wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 23 2010 09:32 BisuDagger wrote:
I"m sure this has been asked, but I guess I'm completely missing where it is? But why doesnt TL use their old Fantasy PL system like they did before sc2 came out?

on topic of this thread:
Should I be worried about Horang2 on my antiteam?


Ad. 1.

I was wondering this myself.

Ad. 2.

Yes, you should be worried. There are no signs of him slumping right now and in this situation any player worth 4-5 points is a highly possible scorer.

1) i've answered this twice already (and I think so did an admin), they haven't got the coders available to change the FPL system to fit Bo7

2) word over in the PL R&S thread is that Central Plains is replaced by Bloody Ridge in R2
Translator:3
moopie
Profile Joined July 2009
12605 Posts
November 23 2010 01:37 GMT
#173
On November 23 2010 10:34 infinitestory wrote:
2) word over in the PL R&S thread is that Central Plains is replaced by Bloody Ridge in R2

I just posted what KeSPA had listed on the official schedule. Can't speak for the entire round, but I did check a handful of sets that had CP listed on the TL calendar and they are all listed as Bloody Ridge on KeSPA's calendar.
I'm going to sleep, let me get some of that carpet.
BisuDagger
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
Bisutopia19307 Posts
November 23 2010 02:04 GMT
#174
I might know some coders who would love to work for TL, if feasible I will PM.
ModeratorFormer Afreeca Starleague Caster: http://afreeca.tv/ASL2ENG2
Jackal03
Profile Joined October 2009
Brazil7469 Posts
November 23 2010 02:06 GMT
#175
with this new trading system, i'm even more pumped for this FPL!

i just hope i can get to top 100 again, ever since the matchups are hidden i can't pefform well. But if my luck is back and afrotoss do some owning i might be able to
BW is back
Jackle
Profile Joined January 2010
Canada859 Posts
November 23 2010 02:41 GMT
#176
On November 22 2010 21:26 aimaimaim wrote:
Flash is overrated in FPL .. meh .. i mean + Show Spoiler +
PseudoGod


unlike the true 'God' here + Show Spoiler +
KIM TAEK SHIN


they should be equal right? or strictly speaking this 'God' should be above flash right?

+ Show Spoiler +
now flame me about what i misunderstood. because the fanboy in me is somewhat sad about this


Isn't it Kim Taek Yong? lol

Also, although Bisu's 10 game winning streak is impressive. Look at the list of players he faced. Mostly scrubs. His best match up is PvZ and 3/4 (in the Top 30 Kespa) were Calm, Shine, and Great. With the other Top 30 being ForGG, which we all know sucks anyways.

While Flash had to face Light,Roro, Hiya and PvT monsters like Best, Stork and Snow.

You called down the thunder, now reap the whirlwind.
LunarDestiny
Profile Blog Joined August 2008
United States4177 Posts
November 23 2010 02:44 GMT
#177
man i can fit flash, jaedong, and stork in my team. Also got leta and Calm as well. zvz sniper modesty don't fail me.

for anti: lol at neo SK, 7 points.
infinitestory
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States4053 Posts
November 23 2010 02:52 GMT
#178
On November 23 2010 11:41 Jackle wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 22 2010 21:26 aimaimaim wrote:
Flash is overrated in FPL .. meh .. i mean + Show Spoiler +
PseudoGod


unlike the true 'God' here + Show Spoiler +
KIM TAEK SHIN


they should be equal right? or strictly speaking this 'God' should be above flash right?

+ Show Spoiler +
now flame me about what i misunderstood. because the fanboy in me is somewhat sad about this


Isn't it Kim Taek Yong? lol

Also, although Bisu's 10 game winning streak is impressive. Look at the list of players he faced. Mostly scrubs. His best match up is PvZ and 3/4 (in the Top 30 Kespa) were Calm, Shine, and Great. With the other Top 30 being ForGG, which we all know sucks anyways.

While Flash had to face Light,Roro, Hiya and PvT monsters like Best, Stork and Snow.


Kim Taek Shin is Bisu's nickname from when he was invincible, since Shin = God

also note that Flash lost to Best and Hiya and Light were never any good at TvT
Flash's only good vT opponents this round were Snow (W), Stork (W), BeSt (L), Soulkey (W).
Bisu beat Really and Soulkey, who are both strong vP, as well as Violet and Kal who are both strong overall.

but yeah Flash's opponents this round were generally tougher
Translator:3
integral
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
United States3156 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-11-23 05:54:23
November 23 2010 05:49 GMT
#179
Scoring update: Ace match appearances are now worth one point. In score tests ace match appearances were unfairly skewing trade values toward the players with higher costs, even with the new progressive formula. Ace match appearances now serve mostly as an opportunity to win another game.
aimaimaim
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
Philippines2167 Posts
November 23 2010 08:16 GMT
#180
On November 23 2010 11:41 Jackle wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 22 2010 21:26 aimaimaim wrote:
Flash is overrated in FPL .. meh .. i mean + Show Spoiler +
PseudoGod


unlike the true 'God' here + Show Spoiler +
KIM TAEK SHIN


they should be equal right? or strictly speaking this 'God' should be above flash right?

+ Show Spoiler +
now flame me about what i misunderstood. because the fanboy in me is somewhat sad about this


Isn't it Kim Taek Yong? lol

Also, although Bisu's 10 game winning streak is impressive. Look at the list of players he faced. Mostly scrubs. His best match up is PvZ and 3/4 (in the Top 30 Kespa) were Calm, Shine, and Great. With the other Top 30 being ForGG, which we all know sucks anyways.

While Flash had to face Light,Roro, Hiya and PvT monsters like Best, Stork and Snow.



Calling Calm, Soulkey and Really scrubs? lol

also granted that forGG is sucking, what about this 5-1 streak against Bisu?
Forgg vs Bisu
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