As we all know, the off-season is about to end, and as it does, proleague begins anew. However, it is well known that fanboys will make foolish predictions about this new seasons, unaware of the truth. I am here to show you the way and reveal why only SKT can be #1 this time around.
Consistency
Who is the one who has succeeded more times than anyone else in the e-sports world? Who has been there since the beginning? None other than SK Telecom T1. Indeed, they have made the last 2 proleague finals, and out of their own kindness they allowed KT to take the Proleague Finals gold simply because they were looking to increase their silver count(because silver looks pretty nice too, and who wouldn't want a little silver with their gold?). But that has passed, and they have come back to reclaim their throne. And to reach their goal, they will continue to destroy the teams that stand in their way for the next year.
The SKT Masters Cup
This is a tournament that was created by STX in order to get some easy wins. But for the last 2 years, SKT has shown themselves to be more than capable of beating even these rigged standards with ease, as shown by two simple all-kills in the finals of the last two years. Even in rigged tournaments like this one and the super ace format of proleague 08-09, SKT can triumph. So when there is a fair condition, you can bet that it will be SKT that wins.
Diversity and Depth
As we all know, SKT has not one, not two, not even three, but four viable ace players: Bisu, BeSt, Fantasy and Kwanro. And it has five more good players: Ssak, Canata, Soo_SKT, Hyuk, and s2. This is depth not seen in any other team. Not only that, but it also has a diverse range of styles. In the terran line, we have the strategic style of Fantasy, and the boring style of Canata, both influenced by the cheating style of Coach iloveoov. In the protoss line, we have the harass-based style of Bisu and the macro style of BeSt. The zerg line is filled with the all-in style of Kwanro, the mutaling style of Hyuk, and the unpredictable style of s2 and Soo_SKT. No team will be able to match this massive variation in their style and will burn out in their futile attempts to match them. No other team is capable of combating so many unique threats.
Legend of the Fall
The summer is hottest just before the fall. And I assure you, the fall is coming.
Fall is approaching, and it is time for the protoss to rise to power. And who is to lead this resurgence but Bisu, the king of Protoss, and Best, his trusty terran killer? As it has been written, the Six Dragons will rise again, and with it, SKT shall reclaim its rightful place as the leader of this revival. The old age of terran shall come falling down, and with it any chance teams like KTFlash ever had at victory. The protoss of SKT will take his place in dominating the scene.
Mascot Power
Which other team has successfully implemented a mascot? That's right, none of them. But SKT defied all odds and made it work. And with the help of newly found spirit from the zerg they acquired from the eSTRO draft, they will all have the power to carry the team to victory against all odds.
The Fans
Every team has some fans, even the worst teams. Most of these fans are teenagers or people in their 20s. But SKT's star player Bisu has a fan as young as three years old. It is impossible for a team other than the best one of all to have such dedicated fans. This proves how powerful SKT really is.
The Coming of Age
As we all know, BoxeR has left to play Starcraft 2. But while his primary motivation may have been to continue to play in his 30s, the only reason he was able to leave is because his pupil, Fantasy, is ready to succeed him. And indeed, that can be seen by the improvement in his TvZ record from a mediocre into an impressive one. He also has shown his newly found ability to play bio. And as BoxeR leaves the scene, Fantasy will realize his true destiny and help lead SKT to its place at #1.
The Macro Monster
BeSt, as we all know, has the best macro in the world, easily making 50 gateways and 50 more(and of course, not losing). He has shown how truly effective an endless stream of units can be in his current 11 game winning streak against terran. But not only is he a terran slayer, but he has now gained the ability to fight the zerg as well, with dark templar so effective that they manage to slaughter 38 zerg before finally being defeated. He will prove to be a major asset in SKT's victory this season.
The All-in Maestro
Kwanro is a player known all too well for his power to win games through the use of all-in strategies. He recently transferred to SKT from Woongjin. While he may have been largely unsuccessful before, with such a talented group of players he will learn the ability to win macro games and he will teach even the weakest of players how to topple the competition even when the disparity in skill level looks insurmountable.
The Coaching
That's right, SKT is the team with the absolute greatest coaching. Not only do they have the talented coach Park, but also numerous successful race-specific coaches to guide their players into victory. The zergs have already shown their potential to return from mediocrity into prosperity, leading into a series of 3-0 victories for SKT. But in 1 season, they were not yet used to having the amazing power they possessed. In this second season, they will be more able to harness this power and win.
The Lesser Players
These include Ssak, Canata, Hyuk, s2, and Soo_SKT. While they have not yet proved their power to stay excellent, this is their season to shine. And even if one player falls into a slump mid-season, there will be someone there to win for them and keep SKT at its #1 spot.
The Revolutionist
Why is this last? Simply because it is the most important. Bisu is the Bonjwa Killer, The Master of Knives, The Revolutionist, and the undisputed greatest protoss of all time. 3 years ago he destroyed the unbeatable sAviOr and showed protoss that zerg can be defeated. 2 years ago he lead the Six Dragons into a protoss age of prosperity. And after months of slumping and a postseason of recuperation, he will return and reclaim his place as the greatest player of all time. This age of LeeSsang will finally end as Bisu returns. He will be the star of SKT and the greatest player of all. The dagger-wielding assassin will once again cut through each and every one of his opponents and reclaim his place at the top. While his PvT is considered to be his worst matchup, he still possesses the #3 PvT ELO peak of all time. With a player so impressive, SKT's victory is assured.
And there you go. 10-11 is the year of SK Telecom T1.
KT has better depth. Stats is better than both Best and Bisu. Flash is better than Fantasy. Forgg is better Canata. Action is better than any SKT zerg. And Violet just gives them more depth. 'nuf said
Am I crazy or is Bisu there twice in the first picture? Other than that, good thread. Can't wait to see what BeSt and Fantasy can pull out this season.
SKT FIGHTING!!!! EDIT: THis is the first time that I got first page on an important page. I'm a HUUUUUUUUUUGE SKT fan because of BoxeR. I am slightly, no really sad to see him leave.:'(
On October 15 2010 13:45 LunarDestiny wrote: Is it shopped? Boxer should be the middle one right?
if you had been keeping up with BW news instead of selling your soul to SC2 you'd have known that SKT1 recruited Bisu again in order to disappoint fans twice as much.
I am a big big SKT1 supporter and I appreciate your enthusiasm but I think you could have put more work into organizing the points and maybe fleshing them out, adding some flair to your writing...
On October 15 2010 13:53 Murderotica wrote: I am a big big SKT1 supporter and I appreciate your enthusiasm but I think you could have put more work into organizing the points and maybe fleshing them out, adding some flair to your writing...
I think the points are in logical order. Besides, the biggest part about SKT hype is pictures of Bisu, so I focused on that. This took way too long to make anyways.
I've always rooted for the underdogs, and so I was always rooting against the bonjwas. When Boxer, Nada and Ilooveoov was running a muck I rooted for Yellow, Reach and Nal_Ra. And every time, I was left disappointed as the bonjwa took another victory over and over again.
And so it was, until I saw another bonjwa Savior getting ready to face off against Bisu in his best match up, ZvP. I was expecting the worst, as Protoss's were getting belted by Zerg.
And Bisu pulled off probably the biggest and probably most defining moment for me in Starcraft Brood War history. We saw one of the most dominant bonjwas taken down and annihilated.
Bisu made me believe that bonjwas are there to be humbled and broken. Savior was smashed, looks like Flash is next. NEVER GIVE UP, NEVER SURRENDER!!!
bisu the best protoss? aww hell no stork has that place man
kt gonna roflstomp all over skt-every1 this season (see what i did there) because stats is better than bisu and best COMBINED with the power of the crimson chin, flash owns all (incl. fantasy) action owns all zerg and laughs at kwanro who all-ins every game and lets masses of ultras die to mines, tempest will storm drop everyone and violet is just depth, oh yeah and did I mention forgg who will yamato canata in tha face? we gonna win boys, for sure! KT ROLSTER HWAITINGGG!!! bonjwa style
On October 15 2010 14:59 pred470r wrote: I think SKT will add some bronze to their collection, because that too will look good along with the silver and gold they already have.
Na man bronze is ugly. We're gonna keep getting golds. We're gonna win WL and PL Finals and the regular seasons again. Sorry that KT's time is up.
Well now that NaDa left WeMade, it might be time for me to hop on the SKT train. I think KT is the strongest this season though, with CJ/Hite, Woongjin, and STX being pretty scary as well.
On October 15 2010 14:59 pred470r wrote: I think SKT will add some bronze to their collection, because that too will look good along with the silver and gold they already have.
Na man bronze is ugly. We're gonna keep getting golds. We're gonna win WL and PL Finals and the regular seasons again. Sorry that KT's time is up.
If you review last ProLeague Stats you will realise that SKT will get more Action than they've baragin for and therefore will lose in a Flash
On October 15 2010 14:59 pred470r wrote: I think SKT will add some bronze to their collection, because that too will look good along with the silver and gold they already have.
Na man bronze is ugly. We're gonna keep getting golds. We're gonna win WL and PL Finals and the regular seasons again. Sorry that KT's time is up.
If you review last ProLeague Stats you will realise that SKT will get more Action than they've baragin for and therefore will lose in a Flash
You think SKT isn't the BeSt? You gotta be Hyuking kidding me. KT winning is Soo an impossible Fantasy of yours. SKT will Bisu-per strong this time around and it would be s2pid to think that anyone will beat them. Also, Action is overrated.
I'll believe it when Bisu dominates Flash in the ace match of the Winner League Finals and proceeded to tear his own shirt off to reveal a pair of abs that even Schwarzenegger in his prime would be envious of.
I may be a KT fanboy, but I have a little piece of my heart for Bisu..
On October 15 2010 16:13 Graham wrote: I'll believe it when Bisu dominates Flash in the ace match of the Winner League Finals and proceeded to tear his own shirt off to reveal a pair of abs that even Schwarzenegger in his prime would be envious of.
I may be a KT fanboy, but I have a little piece of my heart for Bisu..
Wouldn't that just be awesome. And we all know he's capable of it anytime he decides to play well.
(Z)Kwanro is a player known all too well for his power to win games through the use of all-in strategies. He recently transferred to SKT from Woongjin. While he may have been largely unsuccessful before, with such a talented group of players he will learn the ability to win macro games and he will teach even the weakest of players how to topple the competition even when the disparity in skill level looks insurmountable.
Some solid backhanded complements in this excerpt ^_^.
Unfortunately recruiting a second Bisu won't help SKT enough as Oz has recruited THREE new Zergs that can keep up with Jaedong, as listed here. Double Bisu was pretty funny, though. At first I thought I was seeing things and that I was just a damn, filthy foreigner that still couldn't tell asian faces apart.
[fanboyism] Looking forward to Best teaching Bisu how to macroroll Terrans, Bisu teaching Best how to rape in PvZ, and Bisu in general to just dominating the everliving crap out of everything like we all know he can. Incoming Bisu vs. Jaedong MSL win! Protoss takes a gold!? At the same time, over in the OSL, Fantasy will have perfected his TvT and stop Flash from taking another gold, all while winning the hearts of people everywhere.
Kwanro and Hyuk will team up and exchange tactics. Expect people to get Kwan'd, Hyrolled, Kwyukrolled (Quickrolled?), and even more awesomeness that will have to be seen to be believed.
And of course SKT Zerg will decide that Jaedong has had the limelight for too long and take not just the top, but the top two Zerg spots just to promote better competition during the team practice sessions to keep everybody's skills sharp. [/fanboyism]
In all honesty, the one that feels like having the best chance is Fantasy stopping Flash, which will still be pretty fucking epic. Cannot emphasize how epic his last bo5 against Flash was. It was a TvT, and it was epic, in 5 straight games. How much more can you honestly ask for?
That and Kwanro Hyuking himself and Hyuk Kwanrolling himself. That has a good chance of happening. -.-
On October 15 2010 22:33 pred470r wrote: What puzzles me is how they ended up with Hyuk being captain, did every one else reject the offer of being captain or what?
Kwanro and Hyuk have a history apparently, and it's to stop any conflicts.
On October 15 2010 19:02 Piy wrote: Lol, it's never to early.
KT will win though. Flash and Action will wear down the resolve of the other players by making each game last an hour.
You may think so, but what will really happen is that Bisu will beat Action in 15 minutes and make him cry again and Canata will be the one to wear Flash down with his 1.5 hour TvT.
Finally a worthy Zerg in SKT roster (besides Hyuk "lol") Hyuk is the new captain cuz he is a practice monster? Anyway looking forward to next season and hoping for Bisu's comeback.
On October 15 2010 14:59 pred470r wrote: I think SKT will add some bronze to their collection, because that too will look good along with the silver and gold they already have.
Na man bronze is ugly. We're gonna keep getting golds. We're gonna win WL and PL Finals and the regular seasons again. Sorry that KT's time is up.
If you review last ProLeague Stats you will realise that SKT will get more Action than they've baragin for and therefore will lose in a Flash
You think SKT isn't the BeSt? You gotta be Hyuking kidding me. KT winning is Soo an impossible Fantasy of yours. SKT will Bisu-per strong this time around and it would be s2pid to think that anyone will beat them. Also, Action is overrated.
Awesome.
And I too missed the double Bisu until it was reposted at the bottom of the first page. And I'm no kidding when I say this: it made me laugh out loud with more volume than I have done in months. Bravo.
On October 16 2010 04:59 MangoTango wrote: ....wait wat, 2 bisus? skt into cloning humans now? :O I definitely did a double take.
Copying Oz's strategy, obviously. Didn't work out for Oz, but Bisu is a whole different class. At least the fangirl viewership is guaranteed to double.
Why the does SKT need a thread about how they are going to win? SKT have won the most team competitions ever. They have one of the best roosters, and with the addition of Kwanro and other teams getting weaker they are almost indestructible right now. They are like the new york yankees on crack.
On October 16 2010 07:13 Lucid90 wrote: Why the does SKT need a thread about how they are going to win? SKT have won the most team competitions ever. They have one of the best roosters, and with the addition of Kwanro and other teams getting weaker they are almost indestructible right now. They are like the new york yankees on crack.
Because someone made a woongjin thread and I wanted to show doubters the true PL champions. They too must see the light.
On October 16 2010 09:44 funnybananaman wrote: Ok i love SKT too but Best doesn't have the best macro in the world Flash does. that isn't even a contest lol...
Actually for a time it was Best for sure that had the better macro. Now, it's either Flash or Best. It's definitely not clear cut though.
On October 16 2010 16:37 HaruHaru wrote: SKT HWIGHTING YEAAA GO BEST!!! even though that was really BM
The ceremony? Hardly, that was pretty justified. Bisu's stasis, on the other hand...
Bisu knew that was the only mining base of ForGG. Statis all the SCVs means no more income -> no reinforcement. Given the map design ForGG could have gone for hardcore camping at his ramp, while slowly building up his army to a decent amount to crawl out.
On October 16 2010 16:37 HaruHaru wrote: SKT HWIGHTING YEAAA GO BEST!!! even though that was really BM
The ceremony? Hardly, that was pretty justified. Bisu's stasis, on the other hand...
Bisu knew that was the only mining base of ForGG. Statis all the SCVs means no more income -> no reinforcement. Given the map design ForGG could have gone for hardcore camping at his ramp, while slowly building up his army to a decent amount to crawl out.
That's hardly BM at all.
It felt way more like a, "I've been super ahead for a very long time, please stop turtling and gg please" than any actual tactic to me.
On October 15 2010 13:19 Antoine wrote: it's too bad bisu is washed up and none of his fanboys recognize it
Amen.
I don't even think bisu tries anymore, too much of a pretty boy.
He certainly still has his skill and motivation, he just loses focus too easily. In all the games he lost, he could've done better. But this season it looks like he definitely can get it done as long as he just plays as well as everyone knows he can.
On October 21 2010 18:27 thunk wrote: SKT1 was like the only team that wasn't absolutely destroyed by SC2.
Well SKT is pretty much fine, Woongjin is questionable(depends how good Really will be, they have some inconsistent players and I hope the loss of those 6 players won't kill them), KT is fine, STX didn't change much, although Entus and MBC were kinda gutted, and Oz lost the coach. Khan almost died but they didn't change(but they continue to suck), WMF didn't change much, and ACE actually improved as long as its players don't die. Of course, everyone loses some B teamers, but this is probably the hardest BW will ever be hit. And in a few months it should get better.
On October 21 2010 18:27 thunk wrote: SKT1 was like the only team that wasn't absolutely destroyed by SC2.
Well SKT is pretty much fine, Woongjin is questionable(depends how good Really will be, they have some inconsistent players and I hope the loss of those 6 players won't kill them), KT is fine, STX didn't change much, although Entus and MBC were kinda gutted, and Oz lost the coach. Khan almost died but they didn't change(but they continue to suck), WMF didn't change much, and ACE actually improved as long as its players don't die. Of course, everyone loses some B teamers, but this is probably the hardest BW will ever be hit. And in a few months it should get better.
you mean like another korean war??
I am always wishing for a T1 vs Khan final or now a Stars vs T1 final .. of course T1 will win .. the finals with OZ would have been great if JD didnt suck it up though ..
On October 15 2010 13:53 Murderotica wrote: I am a big big SKT1 supporter and I appreciate your enthusiasm but I think you could have put more work into organizing the points and maybe fleshing them out, adding some flair to your writing...
I think the points are in logical order. Besides, the biggest part about SKT hype is pictures of Bisu, so I focused on that. This took way too long to make anyways.
Late i know but reading this made me laugh soo much
On October 15 2010 16:13 Graham wrote: I'll believe it when Bisu dominates Flash in the ace match of the Winner League Finals and proceeded to tear his own shirt off to reveal a pair of abs that even Schwarzenegger in his prime would be envious of.
I may be a KT fanboy, but I have a little piece of my heart for Bisu..
And there you have it. There were doubters, many were not aware of the power of this team. But they have emerged victorious, slaying all of the most powerful opposition + Show Spoiler +
On October 27 2010 10:53 flamewheel wrote: Holy nuts everybody on this page but one (now two) people sport the T1 insignia. Though they are looking pretty good these days.
Still think ZerO vs Bisu would have made for a better match, but Neo.G_Bonjwa man, got to hand it to him.
I don't think so actually. There's probably a reason they didn't send Zero, probably because he isn't playing so well right now. I think that Zero would've been roflstomped if they sent him.
Which other team has successfully implemented a mascot? That's right, none of them. But SKT defied all odds and made it work.
Anyone know the game where Bunkie was messing with the hair of that girl in the audience? It was this season's proleague for sure, but I'm not sure what team they were playing.
I can't believe that SKT seems to have quite a few developing new players despite releasing their "entire B-team" late last year, in the twilight of the scene, since the release of SC2 has really drained away the pool of aspiring players. Other than Turn, who's been kicking ass on KHAN, Sun and Paralyze look like they could become strong players. There's also Princess on Oz, but his skill has yet to be proven.
On November 12 2010 09:47 WhoaDrugs wrote: SKT is like the Yankees. They're the best and probably have the highest paid.
This can't be right. I despise the Yankees but I think SKT is awesome.
There's no team in proleague that's perfectly analogous to the Yankees, but KT and SKT have historically bought the most players from other teams, AFAIK. Of course, one difference is that most of the players KT have bought have cratered rapidly after joining the team, while only some of the players SKT bought have deteriorated drastically (but those that did deteriorate in that manner did so dramatically).
It makes sense for those two companies to budget more to their team since their businesses directly deal with individual consumers, so having a strong team is good for their brand. Some of the other companies involved don't even sell their stuff to individuals so building their brand to the youngsters who make up the majority of the audience isn't as important.
On November 16 2010 15:45 Adr4melecH wrote: just back from school and open up the SKT vs Oz thread.
FUCK YEAH SKT!!! FUCK YEAH KTY!!!
Also soo has really nice record so far. I didn't really expect this from his 09-10 results .
Yeah, oddly enough this year of PL seems to have a lot of new stars. Bisu returns, and Turn, Soulkey and Soo give some amazing records. Snow is kinda rising too. A lot of the old ones are failing though(looking at you Jangbi).
On November 16 2010 15:51 DarkPlasmaBall wrote: Perfect Round 1 Perfect Bisu Record Perfection.
ROFL that's exactly what I was going to post. I wouldn't have put a capital R on "record" though :D SKT Fighting !
PS : I wore my SKT shirt this week end for pic nic and couldnt resist to climb a tree it's all dirty now. But I guess it brought good luck to the team.
On November 16 2010 15:56 hubson wrote: endy how can I get a SKT1 shirt? I'm in Korea too. I really need one! SKT1 fighting!
Lilsusie bought around 100 shirts and organized a draw. The lucky winners would get an official shirt (the amazing white shirt will yellow and red stuffs), a random autograph of a SKT players (I got Bisu !) and a bunkie doll (lol my cat always tries to destroy it but my cat's name is Flash so...) Susie <3
Afaik you need a korean bank account to be able to buy a shirt. A quick search on TL will help you. Oh and kOre owns a website which sells progamers gear, but they don't do SKT stuffs. The website's name is starcraftmecca.net.
We got SKT shirts through lilsusie, I guess you could PM her and ask? It's very difficult to get a shirt supposedly. Thank you clazziquai for my shirt!
I'm asking about ones they had during previous seasons but those are from 08-09 if I remember correctly and chances are they aren't in production any more.
I'm asking about ones they had during previous seasons but those are from 08-09 if I remember correctly and chances are they aren't in production any more.
On November 16 2010 16:43 kOre wrote: So Bisu is going to get at least 30 wins this PL season, anyone think he can break Flash and JD's record?
If SKT would just stop winning so damn easily and start needing to go to ace matches (so Bisu can play- and win- twice) then maybe!
He's clearly out of his slump and playing very well right now, but I'm interested in seeing if he could take on the other greats (Flash, Jaedong, etc.). I think he could, but we won't know until that happens.
On November 16 2010 16:43 kOre wrote: So Bisu is going to get at least 30 wins this PL season, anyone think he can break Flash and JD's record?
If SKT would just stop winning so damn easily and start needing to go to ace matches (so Bisu can play- and win- twice) then maybe!
He's clearly out of his slump and playing very well right now, but I'm interested in seeing if he could take on the other greats (Flash, Jaedong, etc.). I think he could, but we won't know until that happens.
Right now, I think Flash is the one player I don't think he'd be able to beat. Maybe he could though, I don't know the current state of his PvT.
On November 16 2010 16:43 kOre wrote: So Bisu is going to get at least 30 wins this PL season, anyone think he can break Flash and JD's record?
Flash for 58 wins for 55 games played last season (not including post season) I don't know if that's a record, but that's more than 1 win per match !
There are only 10 teams this year instead of twelve, but I can't remember if they are going to add an extra round. Also, bo7 format leads to less ace matches statistically. If they don't add an extra round, there won't be as many matches (potential wins) as last season.
On November 16 2010 16:43 kOre wrote: So Bisu is going to get at least 30 wins this PL season, anyone think he can break Flash and JD's record?
Flash for 58 wins for 55 games played last season (not including post season) I don't know if that's a record, but that's more than 1 win per match !
There are only 10 teams this year instead of twelve, but I can't remember if they are going to add an extra round. Also, bo7 format leads to less ace matches statistically. If they don't add an extra round, there won't be as many matches (potential wins) as last season.
Oh yeah ... you're right ... yeah I don't see him getting 58 wins this season with only 10 teams and Bo7's. Didn't even think about it that way
On November 16 2010 16:43 kOre wrote: So Bisu is going to get at least 30 wins this PL season, anyone think he can break Flash and JD's record?
Flash for 58 wins for 55 games played last season (not including post season) I don't know if that's a record, but that's more than 1 win per match !
There are only 10 teams this year instead of twelve, but I can't remember if they are going to add an extra round. Also, bo7 format leads to less ace matches statistically. If they don't add an extra round, there won't be as many matches (potential wins) as last season.
Oh yeah ... you're right ... yeah I don't see him getting 58 wins this season with only 10 teams and Bo7's. Didn't even think about it that way
Ummm...maybe I'm missing something but aren't you forgetting about the Winner's League rounds? I'm not necessarily saying that Bisu will always start for SKT, but it's at least possible that a player could clock up 4 wins per match if they all-kill.
As to the original question, I'm in agreement with Lightwip. In fact I'd go a little further and say that until Bisu beats one of Flash/JD in a BoX, then there's no reason to believe he's back to his very best. Right now, without Bisu having had the opportunity to prove otherwise, I don't think he's at the level of Flash and JD and therefore I'd say he won't eclipse Flash's record.
On November 16 2010 16:43 kOre wrote: So Bisu is going to get at least 30 wins this PL season, anyone think he can break Flash and JD's record?
Flash for 58 wins for 55 games played last season (not including post season) I don't know if that's a record, but that's more than 1 win per match !
There are only 10 teams this year instead of twelve, but I can't remember if they are going to add an extra round. Also, bo7 format leads to less ace matches statistically. If they don't add an extra round, there won't be as many matches (potential wins) as last season.
Oh yeah ... you're right ... yeah I don't see him getting 58 wins this season with only 10 teams and Bo7's. Didn't even think about it that way
Ummm...maybe I'm missing something but aren't you forgetting about the Winner's League rounds? I'm not necessarily saying that Bisu will always start for SKT, but it's at least possible that a player could clock up 4 wins per match if they all-kill.
As to the original question, I'm in agreement with Lightwip. In fact I'd go a little further and say that until Bisu beats one of Flash/JD in a BoX, then there's no reason to believe he's back to his very best. Right now, without Bisu having had the opportunity to prove otherwise, I don't think he's at the level of Flash and JD and therefore I'd say he won't eclipse Flash's record.
LOL damn forgot about WL All Kills ... maybe he can.
I'm asking about ones they had during previous seasons but those are from 08-09 if I remember correctly and chances are they aren't in production any more.
IF they are, please do get them.. those shirts are so badass
On November 16 2010 16:28 kOre wrote: Can anyone find a picture of the red jacket that Bisu was wearing today? Right now I have these that I am working on getting.
On November 16 2010 21:23 revy wrote: Wow it sure looks like SKT will win again after their perfect R1.
Step it up KT!
It's super tough for KT and Oz with the new bo7, when only flash and JD win consistently. T1 is dominating with all rights, and now that Bisu is crushing left and right I don't see any other team winning this season.
On November 16 2010 21:23 revy wrote: Wow it sure looks like SKT will win again after their perfect R1.
Step it up KT!
It's super tough for KT and Oz with the new bo7, when only flash and JD win consistently. T1 is dominating with all rights, and now that Bisu is crushing left and right I don't see any other team winning this season.
KT beat SKT in the finals last season and it was Bo7 ): Anything is possible. The close games Hwaseung gave SKT are evidence that even the best and worst teams are not so far apart.
On November 16 2010 16:28 kOre wrote: Can anyone find a picture of the red jacket that Bisu was wearing today? Right now I have these that I am working on getting.
Holy shit kOre, if you get the red jackets to your store im going to flip out.
Anyone else think its really scary how good skt are at the moment? 10-0ing a round, especialyl in bo7 format. Do they have a weakness? They have top 2 players vs every race (bisu vs z, fanta vs p/t, best vs t, kwanro vs z etc). And so much depth, ssak looked ok until he tried to mech switch today, sun is ballin', soo is being consistant. hyuk! Not to mention the best player in proleague bisu at the moment. its just scary to think how HARD they're gonna pwn everyone this seasaon unless something goes horribly wrong
On November 17 2010 01:20 Kiante wrote: Anyone else think its really scary how good skt are at the moment? 10-0ing a round, especialyl in bo7 format. Do they have a weakness? They have top 2 players vs every race (bisu vs z, fanta vs p/t, best vs t, kwanro vs z etc). And so much depth, ssak looked ok until he tried to mech switch today, sun is ballin', soo is being consistant. hyuk! Not to mention the best player in proleague bisu at the moment. its just scary to think how HARD they're gonna pwn everyone this seasaon unless something goes horribly wrong
It would make sense that the team that started the PL legacy wins what seems to be the last PL. Pride!
It seems pretty likely that SK will finish 1st or 2nd overall, giving them plenty of time to prepare for the play-offs. And with plenty of time, the coaching staff normally manages.
And you only won because of a stupid mistake on Mind's part. Besides, which team is better, Khan or WMF? We managed to AK WMF twice too, so sorry, try again. And your false idol did lose to Khan as well...
Only due to a choke on the part of a certain bird protoss, my friend. If your team was good at saving the ace when they're down, you'd have had a better round 1-2 record.
On March 06 2011 16:49 Lightwip wrote: Only due to a choke on the part of a certain bird protoss, my friend. If your team was good at saving the ace when they're down, you'd have had a better round 1-2 record.
Lol, by the end of winners league, KT will have a better record than SKT.
Now that Bisu can use carriers, who shall stand in our way?
Stork and Flash. Kal to an extent.
I asked who SHALL, not who has in the past. Soon, each of those three will be convincingly dismantled.
Based on the way they have stood I think that future looks very unclear.
Perhaps through the bias glasses of a KT fan. But reality shows otherwise.
Well, reality owned 75% of your team.
Wow that comment is soo smart lol. Props to that.
Honestly I think KT looks stronger at the moment with Perfective and Action stepping up their game, and of course Flash is crazy. When is SKT playing the final boss again?
On March 06 2011 16:49 Lightwip wrote: Only due to a choke on the part of a certain bird protoss, my friend. If your team was good at saving the ace when they're down, you'd have had a better round 1-2 record.
Lol, by the end of winners league, KT will have a better record than SKT.
And by the end of Proleague, ACE will have a better record than KT.
Now that Bisu can use carriers, who shall stand in our way?
Stork and Flash. Kal to an extent.
I asked who SHALL, not who has in the past. Soon, each of those three will be convincingly dismantled.
Based on the way they have stood I think that future looks very unclear.
Perhaps through the bias glasses of a KT fan. But reality shows otherwise.
Well, reality owned 75% of your team.
Wow that comment is soo smart lol. Props to that.
Honestly I think KT looks stronger at the moment with Perfective and Action stepping up their game, and of course Flash is crazy. When is SKT playing the final boss again?
I'm clearly unbiased cause I have an OZ tag ^^
To be honest, i wouldn't put my stock in Roo, even though he had a great 3 kill he still has to prove that he is consistently good before you should pin your hopes on him ; )
and that bisu + stork pic with revolutionist/supreme commander is sooooooooooo awesome. :D
Now that Bisu can use carriers, who shall stand in our way?
Stork and Flash. Kal to an extent.
I asked who SHALL, not who has in the past. Soon, each of those three will be convincingly dismantled.
Okay, roo, Action, Barracks, anyppi.
KT next generation ~
When Flash must finally retire due to his wrist problems, what a dark time KT will have. Four mediocre lineup players to lose them all.
Nah, KT can just buy an Ace player or promising young talent from other teams. Just like SKT.
You know, for the entirety of progaming's existence, the only time KT has won a championship was on the backs of completely home grown talent. I'd think an MBC fan would have some respect for that.
Now that Bisu can use carriers, who shall stand in our way?
Stork and Flash. Kal to an extent.
I asked who SHALL, not who has in the past. Soon, each of those three will be convincingly dismantled.
Okay, roo, Action, Barracks, anyppi.
KT next generation ~
When Flash must finally retire due to his wrist problems, what a dark time KT will have. Four mediocre lineup players to lose them all.
Nah, KT can just buy an Ace player or promising young talent from other teams. Just like SKT.
You know, for the entirety of progaming's existence, the only time KT has won a championship was on the backs of completely home grown talent. I'd think an MBC fan would have some respect for that.
Forgg was from Oz.
In any case, my comment has less to do with KT than it does with richer teams having the ability to buy their way out of trouble.
Kinda made me wonder how many SKT "fans" would switch to being KT "fans" the moment Bisu would be bought by KT to replace Flash if he really does have to quit. I mean, Bisu isn't even all that loyal to SKT, he was the only one of the TBLS agreeing to join Hyungjoon's team. :D
Now that Bisu can use carriers, who shall stand in our way?
Stork and Flash. Kal to an extent.
I asked who SHALL, not who has in the past. Soon, each of those three will be convincingly dismantled.
Okay, roo, Action, Barracks, anyppi.
KT next generation ~
When Flash must finally retire due to his wrist problems, what a dark time KT will have. Four mediocre lineup players to lose them all.
Nah, KT can just buy an Ace player or promising young talent from other teams. Just like SKT.
You know, for the entirety of progaming's existence, the only time KT has won a championship was on the backs of completely home grown talent. I'd think an MBC fan would have some respect for that.
Forgg was from Oz.
In any case, my comment has less to do with KT than it does with richer teams having the ability to buy their way out of trouble.
ForGG was a pretty on and off player, but that's fair enough.
Though he didn't win in that finals. All 4 wins were from pure KT bred players.
On March 06 2011 17:54 mustaju wrote: Kinda made me wonder how many SKT "fans" would switch to being KT "fans" the moment Bisu would be bought by KT to replace Flash if he really does have to quit. I mean, Bisu isn't even all that loyal to SKT, he was the only one of the TBLS agreeing to join Hyungjoon's team. :D
Firstly, as much as I dislike seeing Flash dominate I'd dislike it even more if I couldn't watch a legend of the game at work.
Secondly, not that it'll ever happen, but should Bisu cross to the enemy, then I'd still remain a SKT fan. I'd just keep a close eye on the Bee-suit.
Regardless of the sporting code I've never understood how people can follow players rather than their teams. Maybe I'm just weird like that.
The best thing about this thread (and other similar threads) is that it shows the enduring excitement! I am really looking forward to the playoffs and judging by what's going on around here, so are many others.
On March 06 2011 16:49 Lightwip wrote: Only due to a choke on the part of a certain bird protoss, my friend. If your team was good at saving the ace when they're down, you'd have had a better round 1-2 record.
Lol, by the end of winners league, KT will have a better record than SKT.
And by the end of Proleague, ACE will have a better record than KT.
You have to be a troll. Or just arrogant/bias/ignorant.
Flash is the best player right now, and it will stay that way for a while, despite his wrist. Bisu still has plenty to prove, his ability to play a bo5 is still untested, and he has yet to beat S-Class (other than jaedong who was in a mini-slump).
On March 06 2011 16:49 Lightwip wrote: Only due to a choke on the part of a certain bird protoss, my friend. If your team was good at saving the ace when they're down, you'd have had a better round 1-2 record.
Lol, by the end of winners league, KT will have a better record than SKT.
And by the end of Proleague, ACE will have a better record than KT.
You have to be a troll. Or just arrogant/bias/ignorant.
Flash is the best player right now, and it will stay that way for a while, despite his wrist. Bisu still has plenty to prove, his ability to play a bo5 is still untested, and he has yet to beat S-Class (other than jaedong who was in a mini-slump).
He was responding to lost_romantic, it's all good bro
On March 06 2011 16:49 Lightwip wrote: Only due to a choke on the part of a certain bird protoss, my friend. If your team was good at saving the ace when they're down, you'd have had a better round 1-2 record.
Lol, by the end of winners league, KT will have a better record than SKT.
And by the end of Proleague, ACE will have a better record than KT.
You have to be a troll. Or just arrogant/bias/ignorant.
Flash is the best player right now, and it will stay that way for a while, despite his wrist. Bisu still has plenty to prove, his ability to play a bo5 is still untested, and he has yet to beat S-Class (other than jaedong who was in a mini-slump).
What an odd statement! Bisu is the most highly decorated Protos player of all time. He has plenty of experience in preparing for and playing series. I also struggle to see how this is relevant because proleague doesn't feature any series between two players.
On March 06 2011 16:49 Lightwip wrote: Only due to a choke on the part of a certain bird protoss, my friend. If your team was good at saving the ace when they're down, you'd have had a better round 1-2 record.
Lol, by the end of winners league, KT will have a better record than SKT.
And by the end of Proleague, ACE will have a better record than KT.
You have to be a troll. Or just arrogant/bias/ignorant.
Flash is the best player right now, and it will stay that way for a while, despite his wrist. Bisu still has plenty to prove, his ability to play a bo5 is still untested, and he has yet to beat S-Class (other than jaedong who was in a mini-slump).
What an odd statement! Bisu is the most highly decorated Protos player of all time. He has plenty of experience in preparing for and playing series. I also struggle to see how this is relevant because proleague doesn't feature any series between two players.
I was reading all his posts in the past two pages, they are all silly saying bisu will dismantle flash as well as stork in one.
And Bisu years ago is not bisu now. It's like saying Boxer can play well in a Bo5 now because he is high decorated. Bisu has only proven himself in games where players prepare for the maps rather than the opponents/races. (and even then he struggles vs S-class)
On March 06 2011 16:49 Lightwip wrote: Only due to a choke on the part of a certain bird protoss, my friend. If your team was good at saving the ace when they're down, you'd have had a better round 1-2 record.
Lol, by the end of winners league, KT will have a better record than SKT.
And by the end of Proleague, ACE will have a better record than KT.
You have to be a troll. Or just arrogant/bias/ignorant.
Flash is the best player right now, and it will stay that way for a while, despite his wrist. Bisu still has plenty to prove, his ability to play a bo5 is still untested, and he has yet to beat S-Class (other than jaedong who was in a mini-slump).
What an odd statement! Bisu is the most highly decorated Protos player of all time. He has plenty of experience in preparing for and playing series. I also struggle to see how this is relevant because proleague doesn't feature any series between two players.
I was reading all his posts in the past two pages, they are all silly saying bisu will dismantle flash as well as stork in one.
And Bisu years ago is not bisu now. It's like saying Boxer can play well in a Bo5 now because he is high decorated. Bisu has only proven himself in games where players prepare for the maps rather than the opponents/races. (and even then he struggles vs S-class)
You're blinded by bias. Bisu is quickly becoming what he was before, and more. And not just in terms of skill(right now he is as good as he was 2 years ago, maybe better), but in terms of skill compared to the era he is in. But it is not I who will prove it to you, it'll be Bisu. Also, if Milkis is around: Remember when Bisu was bad because 12-0 was a fluke?
On March 06 2011 16:49 Lightwip wrote: Only due to a choke on the part of a certain bird protoss, my friend. If your team was good at saving the ace when they're down, you'd have had a better round 1-2 record.
Lol, by the end of winners league, KT will have a better record than SKT.
And by the end of Proleague, ACE will have a better record than KT.
You have to be a troll. Or just arrogant/bias/ignorant.
Flash is the best player right now, and it will stay that way for a while, despite his wrist. Bisu still has plenty to prove, his ability to play a bo5 is still untested, and he has yet to beat S-Class (other than jaedong who was in a mini-slump).
What an odd statement! Bisu is the most highly decorated Protos player of all time. He has plenty of experience in preparing for and playing series. I also struggle to see how this is relevant because proleague doesn't feature any series between two players.
I was reading all his posts in the past two pages, they are all silly saying bisu will dismantle flash as well as stork in one.
And Bisu years ago is not bisu now. It's like saying Boxer can play well in a Bo5 now because he is high decorated. Bisu has only proven himself in games where players prepare for the maps rather than the opponents/races. (and even then he struggles vs S-class)
You're blinded by bias. Bisu is quickly becoming what he was before, and more. And not just in terms of skill(right now he is as good as he was 2 years ago, maybe better), but in terms of skill compared to the era he is in. But it is not I who will prove it to you, it'll be Bisu. Also, if Milkis is around: Remember when Bisu was bad because 12-0 was a fluke?
Blinded by bias? I'm not the one making bold statements. I'm simply saying bisu still has a lot to prove before you all start to call him jesus, or even consider it for that matter. Though it's useless, bisu fans are immovable.
On March 06 2011 16:49 Lightwip wrote: Only due to a choke on the part of a certain bird protoss, my friend. If your team was good at saving the ace when they're down, you'd have had a better round 1-2 record.
Lol, by the end of winners league, KT will have a better record than SKT.
And by the end of Proleague, ACE will have a better record than KT.
You have to be a troll. Or just arrogant/bias/ignorant.
Flash is the best player right now, and it will stay that way for a while, despite his wrist. Bisu still has plenty to prove, his ability to play a bo5 is still untested, and he has yet to beat S-Class (other than jaedong who was in a mini-slump).
What an odd statement! Bisu is the most highly decorated Protos player of all time. He has plenty of experience in preparing for and playing series. I also struggle to see how this is relevant because proleague doesn't feature any series between two players.
I was reading all his posts in the past two pages, they are all silly saying bisu will dismantle flash as well as stork in one.
And Bisu years ago is not bisu now. It's like saying Boxer can play well in a Bo5 now because he is high decorated. Bisu has only proven himself in games where players prepare for the maps rather than the opponents/races. (and even then he struggles vs S-class)
You're blinded by bias. Bisu is quickly becoming what he was before, and more. And not just in terms of skill(right now he is as good as he was 2 years ago, maybe better), but in terms of skill compared to the era he is in. But it is not I who will prove it to you, it'll be Bisu. Also, if Milkis is around: Remember when Bisu was bad because 12-0 was a fluke?
Blinded by bias? I'm not the one making bold statements. I'm simply saying bisu still has a lot to prove before you all start to call him jesus, or even consider it for that matter. Though it's useless, bisu fans are immovable.
On March 06 2011 16:49 Lightwip wrote: Only due to a choke on the part of a certain bird protoss, my friend. If your team was good at saving the ace when they're down, you'd have had a better round 1-2 record.
Lol, by the end of winners league, KT will have a better record than SKT.
And by the end of Proleague, ACE will have a better record than KT.
You have to be a troll. Or just arrogant/bias/ignorant.
Flash is the best player right now, and it will stay that way for a while, despite his wrist. Bisu still has plenty to prove, his ability to play a bo5 is still untested, and he has yet to beat S-Class (other than jaedong who was in a mini-slump).
What an odd statement! Bisu is the most highly decorated Protos player of all time. He has plenty of experience in preparing for and playing series. I also struggle to see how this is relevant because proleague doesn't feature any series between two players.
I was reading all his posts in the past two pages, they are all silly saying bisu will dismantle flash as well as stork in one.
And Bisu years ago is not bisu now. It's like saying Boxer can play well in a Bo5 now because he is high decorated. Bisu has only proven himself in games where players prepare for the maps rather than the opponents/races. (and even then he struggles vs S-class)
You're blinded by bias. Bisu is quickly becoming what he was before, and more. And not just in terms of skill(right now he is as good as he was 2 years ago, maybe better), but in terms of skill compared to the era he is in. But it is not I who will prove it to you, it'll be Bisu. Also, if Milkis is around: Remember when Bisu was bad because 12-0 was a fluke?
Did you actually watch those games or are you just calling me out because Bisu took like forever to prove that he's actually good now?
The first 12 games he won was ridiculously lucky, so no need to try and call me out to be "biased" -_-;;;;; In the meanwhile, after Bisu lost to Shine in OSL he kind of proved that he has gotten quite better since then.
On March 06 2011 16:49 Lightwip wrote: Only due to a choke on the part of a certain bird protoss, my friend. If your team was good at saving the ace when they're down, you'd have had a better round 1-2 record.
Lol, by the end of winners league, KT will have a better record than SKT.
And by the end of Proleague, ACE will have a better record than KT.
You have to be a troll. Or just arrogant/bias/ignorant.
Flash is the best player right now, and it will stay that way for a while, despite his wrist. Bisu still has plenty to prove, his ability to play a bo5 is still untested, and he has yet to beat S-Class (other than jaedong who was in a mini-slump).
What an odd statement! Bisu is the most highly decorated Protos player of all time. He has plenty of experience in preparing for and playing series. I also struggle to see how this is relevant because proleague doesn't feature any series between two players.
I was reading all his posts in the past two pages, they are all silly saying bisu will dismantle flash as well as stork in one.
And Bisu years ago is not bisu now. It's like saying Boxer can play well in a Bo5 now because he is high decorated. Bisu has only proven himself in games where players prepare for the maps rather than the opponents/races. (and even then he struggles vs S-class)
You're blinded by bias. Bisu is quickly becoming what he was before, and more. And not just in terms of skill(right now he is as good as he was 2 years ago, maybe better), but in terms of skill compared to the era he is in. But it is not I who will prove it to you, it'll be Bisu. Also, if Milkis is around: Remember when Bisu was bad because 12-0 was a fluke?
Did you actually watch those games or are you just calling me out because Bisu took like forever to prove that he's actually good now?
The first 12 games he won was ridiculously lucky, so no need to try and call me out to be "biased" -_-;;;;; In the meanwhile, after Bisu lost to Shine in OSL he kind of proved that he has gotten quite better since then.
I do agree that he's shown more since(and maybe that he won a few more games than he should have), but you seemed to be of the opinion that he wasn't actually good. Either way, those games weren't that much of a fluke considering that he keeps on winning.
On March 06 2011 16:49 Lightwip wrote: Only due to a choke on the part of a certain bird protoss, my friend. If your team was good at saving the ace when they're down, you'd have had a better round 1-2 record.
Lol, by the end of winners league, KT will have a better record than SKT.
And by the end of Proleague, ACE will have a better record than KT.
You have to be a troll. Or just arrogant/bias/ignorant.
Flash is the best player right now, and it will stay that way for a while, despite his wrist. Bisu still has plenty to prove, his ability to play a bo5 is still untested, and he has yet to beat S-Class (other than jaedong who was in a mini-slump).
What an odd statement! Bisu is the most highly decorated Protos player of all time. He has plenty of experience in preparing for and playing series. I also struggle to see how this is relevant because proleague doesn't feature any series between two players.
I was reading all his posts in the past two pages, they are all silly saying bisu will dismantle flash as well as stork in one.
And Bisu years ago is not bisu now. It's like saying Boxer can play well in a Bo5 now because he is high decorated. Bisu has only proven himself in games where players prepare for the maps rather than the opponents/races. (and even then he struggles vs S-class)
You're blinded by bias. Bisu is quickly becoming what he was before, and more. And not just in terms of skill(right now he is as good as he was 2 years ago, maybe better), but in terms of skill compared to the era he is in. But it is not I who will prove it to you, it'll be Bisu. Also, if Milkis is around: Remember when Bisu was bad because 12-0 was a fluke?
Did you actually watch those games or are you just calling me out because Bisu took like forever to prove that he's actually good now?
The first 12 games he won was ridiculously lucky, so no need to try and call me out to be "biased" -_-;;;;; In the meanwhile, after Bisu lost to Shine in OSL he kind of proved that he has gotten quite better since then.
I do agree that he's shown more since(and maybe that he won a few more games than he should have), but you seemed to be of the opinion that he wasn't actually good. Either way, those games weren't that much of a fluke considering that he keeps on winning.
I think what Milkis is trying to say is that Bisu just doesn't have that aura of dominance that he did when he won Starleagues. During those times, there wasn't even a hint of doubt about whether or not Bisu would win, especially starleagues. Nowadays, Bisu's PvT isn't as good as it should be for his level, and his PvP is usually a toss-up. There's no doubt that Bisu's performing well, it's just that there's some doubt when it comes to his PvT and PvP against Top players (like Stork and Flash).
Bisu just doesn't have what it takes to beat flash and stork. He is S-class but the lowest of the list. He is just performing well (to bisu fanboys) because how he DOMINATES zergs. He can be compared to Light in terms of vZ. We can all agree that Light isn't overall S-class right? Yet, he dominates anyone in a TvZ. Just like Bisu in a PvZ.
On March 07 2011 12:42 aimaimaim wrote: Bisu just doesn't have what it takes to beat flash and stork. He is S-class but the lowest of the list. He is just performing well (to bisu fanboys) because how he DOMINATES zergs. He can be compared to Light in terms of vZ. We can all agree that Light isn't overall S-class right? Yet, he dominates anyone in a TvZ. Just like Bisu in a PvZ.
The major difference is that light is sub 50% vP by a lot. Who is better than bisu vT at this point? Stork yes, but that's it. Best, Jangbi, kal, and snow (the 4 guys who come to mind for me in PvT) All have been looking worse than bisu.
The list is a bit longer in PvP, but not that much. Stork, maybe Kal, and maybe horang2.
Bisu is S because unless the game is against Stork, Flash, or (maybe) Kal; Bisu is the favorite, hands down.
I wouldn't condemn Bisu's vP. His losses against Stork are due to BO loss and some stupid shuttle micro that surely can be fixed. His recent loss against Kal is BO loss too.
Against Zerg, even Jaedong is having trouble against him.
Here is the thing about XvT. Nobody will admit you are a top XvT player until you defeat Flash. Flash raised XvT to such a ridiculous standard that Bisu's PvT will be perceived as weak as long as he can't overcome Flash. But let's face it, other than perhaps Fantasy, Bisu's PvT can take on just about any other Terran in the world.
On March 06 2011 16:49 Lightwip wrote: Only due to a choke on the part of a certain bird protoss, my friend. If your team was good at saving the ace when they're down, you'd have had a better round 1-2 record.
Lol, by the end of winners league, KT will have a better record than SKT.
And by the end of Proleague, ACE will have a better record than KT.
You have to be a troll. Or just arrogant/bias/ignorant.
Flash is the best player right now, and it will stay that way for a while, despite his wrist. Bisu still has plenty to prove, his ability to play a bo5 is still untested, and he has yet to beat S-Class (other than jaedong who was in a mini-slump).
What an odd statement! Bisu is the most highly decorated Protos player of all time. He has plenty of experience in preparing for and playing series. I also struggle to see how this is relevant because proleague doesn't feature any series between two players.
I was reading all his posts in the past two pages, they are all silly saying bisu will dismantle flash as well as stork in one.
And Bisu years ago is not bisu now. It's like saying Boxer can play well in a Bo5 now because he is high decorated. Bisu has only proven himself in games where players prepare for the maps rather than the opponents/races. (and even then he struggles vs S-class)
You're blinded by bias. Bisu is quickly becoming what he was before, and more. And not just in terms of skill(right now he is as good as he was 2 years ago, maybe better), but in terms of skill compared to the era he is in. But it is not I who will prove it to you, it'll be Bisu. Also, if Milkis is around: Remember when Bisu was bad because 12-0 was a fluke?
Did you actually watch those games or are you just calling me out because Bisu took like forever to prove that he's actually good now?
The first 12 games he won was ridiculously lucky, so no need to try and call me out to be "biased" -_-;;;;; In the meanwhile, after Bisu lost to Shine in OSL he kind of proved that he has gotten quite better since then.
I do agree that he's shown more since(and maybe that he won a few more games than he should have), but you seemed to be of the opinion that he wasn't actually good. Either way, those games weren't that much of a fluke considering that he keeps on winning.
I didn't think he was actually good at the beginning of the season. You can get 12 game winning streaks on a fluke quite easily -- "consider Shine", or consider the rampage Movie right now. The difference even then is that they actually looked good, while Bisu looked shaky.
Again, if your only retort is that "but he won", then you clearly didn't watch the games or just didn't realize how lucky Bisu was in nearly all the games he won earlier on. I still don't think Bisu was "good" before Shine destroyed him -- it's only afterwards where I would consider him good.
I wouldn't say Bisu has substandard vP/vT. He has the highest PvP and the second highest PvT right now by ELO(and highest vZ just as an aside). He just needs to fix a few mistakes in his games(as he's said a few times). He said that he could have won all those games he had lost if he hadn't made a few mistakes which he is currently fixing. And after he proved that he wasn't lying when he said he could + Show Spoiler +
On March 07 2011 15:18 Lightwip wrote: He said that he could have won all those games he had lost if he hadn't made a few mistakes which he is currently fixing.
On March 07 2011 15:18 Lightwip wrote: He said that he could have won all those games he had lost if he hadn't made a few mistakes which he is currently fixing.
I'm pretty sure anyone can say that.
Except we know from experience that he can actually deliver? Why do you hate Bisu so much anyways? It seems like all the WMF fans on here make a point to hate on Bisu whenever possible.
On March 07 2011 15:18 Lightwip wrote: He said that he could have won all those games he had lost if he hadn't made a few mistakes which he is currently fixing.
I'm pretty sure anyone can say that.
Except we know from experience that he can actually deliver? Why do you hate Bisu so much anyways? It seems like all the WMF fans on here make a point to hate on Bisu whenever possible.
Maybe it has something to do that the only player with a starlegue title on the team is coincidently the one player to beat Bisu in a final? Im not sure, but now that you mention it it seems that fox has a surprisingly high number of bisu anti-fans (along with KT, but that reason is obvious ). + Show Spoiler +
lol, I had to double check that to make sure I didn't make an ass of myself. I almost forgot about midas, but he has no wins.
Hey OP, nice job linking to this thread in the most recent SKT loss to Hite.
If KT beats SKT tomorrow night, KT will be in a leading position going into R5. Then if they can keep their PL lead against SKT, then KT will be in that same commanding position they were at the conclusion of 09-10. And we all remember what happened then, haha.
Bisu being inconsistent lately and with a Best that should be named "worst" I guess SKT should have their hopes on Fantasy. Oh wait he got totally outplayed by Movie a day ago. Doesnt look so well for SKT does it? Lets hope Hyuk can hyuk em' all!
On March 15 2011 05:51 Deekin[ wrote: Bisu being inconsistent lately and with a Best that should be named "worst" I guess SKT should have their hopes on Fantasy. Oh wait he got totally outplayed by Movie a day ago. Doesnt look so well for SKT does it? Lets hope Hyuk can hyuk em' all!
On March 15 2011 05:51 Deekin[ wrote: Bisu being inconsistent lately and with a Best that should be named "worst" I guess SKT should have their hopes on Fantasy. Oh wait he got totally outplayed by Movie a day ago. Doesnt look so well for SKT does it? Lets hope Hyuk can hyuk em' all!
I hope I won't get this much flak for making a similar STX thread for hype purposes. To be honest, I'd love KT, Hite and Oz threads to follow Stars, SKT and STX. Sure, most of the things will be fanboy babble by the end of the season, but till then, the fans appreciate such messages.
On March 15 2011 08:29 Kipsate wrote: Relax, once winners league is over SKT will take over once more(Atleast thats what I think). Although KT has been getting some depth recently.
Neverthless Hwaseung will win(no they won't but I can keep saying it).
Quoted for truth, with the exception that I do believe they will win. JD is back in form. GO OZ!
On a somewhat unrelated note, a notion inspired by the picture section in the OP....I found Bisu to be more energetic and charismatic back when he was on MBC and right after being transferred to SKT. Nowadays, you rarely see anything out of Bisu other than a shy smile, an empty stare or a half hearted fist pump.
On October 15 2010 13:19 Antoine wrote: it's too bad bisu is washed up and none of his fanboys recognize it
Such a good quote from this thread to be on the front page. The player who really lacked was Kwanro. But maybe he was the inspiration for skt zergs to pull it together.Now SKT Terrans need to get to work and SKT will be too complete of a team for them to lose.
On April 11 2011 03:55 dukethegold wrote: On a somewhat unrelated note, a notion inspired by the picture section in the OP....I found Bisu to be more energetic and charismatic back when he was on MBC and right after being transferred to SKT. Nowadays, you rarely see anything out of Bisu other than a shy smile, an empty stare or a half hearted fist pump.
Maybe we'll see more swag if he starts winning some titles again :[[....
On April 11 2011 03:55 dukethegold wrote: On a somewhat unrelated note, a notion inspired by the picture section in the OP....I found Bisu to be more energetic and charismatic back when he was on MBC and right after being transferred to SKT. Nowadays, you rarely see anything out of Bisu other than a shy smile, an empty stare or a half hearted fist pump.
I wonder how difficult it is to prepare against SK, because they haven't played any team match in quite a while now. Not that it will make any difference...
On July 26 2011 16:38 endy wrote: It's gonna be weird not to have Canata for the Grand Finals
=/ One less guaranteed win for KT
Last time Canata played against a KT player, it was Action, last month who'll definitely be in KT's line-up, and he won.
Canata also won decisive games during last playoffs (horrible TvZ against a horrible Modesty, TvT against Frozen, and the most important, the TvT against BByong)
On July 26 2011 16:38 endy wrote: It's gonna be weird not to have Canata for the Grand Finals
=/ One less guaranteed win for KT
Last time Canata played against a KT player, it was Action, last month who'll definitely be in KT's line-up, and he won.
Canata also won decisive games during last playoffs (horrible TvZ against a horrible Modesty, TvT against Frozen, and the most important, the TvT against BByong)
Not a comment on his skill, but more his lack of clutch play. On HBR he didn't expect Violet, so he proxied. When his shit got scouted, he reacted horribly.
Canata's skills in other situations have taken him as far as beating Flash at TvT. But on the big stage he can't hold a candle to his teammates...
On July 26 2011 16:38 endy wrote: It's gonna be weird not to have Canata for the Grand Finals
=/ One less guaranteed win for KT
Last time Canata played against a KT player, it was Action, last month who'll definitely be in KT's line-up, and he won.
Canata also won decisive games during last playoffs (horrible TvZ against a horrible Modesty, TvT against Frozen, and the most important, the TvT against BByong)
Not a comment on his skill, but more his lack of clutch play. On HBR he didn't expect Violet, so he proxied. When his shit got scouted, he reacted horribly.
Canata's skills in other situations have taken him as far as beating Flash at TvT. But on the big stage he can't hold a candle to his teammates...
How wasn't his TvT against Frozen crucial ? STX was leading 3-2. That's the game let SKT go to the ace match that Fantasy eventually won. Same for his TvT against BByong.
Indeed his proxy rax against Violet was horrible, but overall he was still an important asset for the team.
Saying that Canata would have been a freewin for KT given that he just defeated Action who will definitely be in KT's line up is just ...
On July 26 2011 16:38 endy wrote: It's gonna be weird not to have Canata for the Grand Finals
=/ One less guaranteed win for KT
Last time Canata played against a KT player, it was Action, last month who'll definitely be in KT's line-up, and he won.
To be fair though, sometimes Action sucks really, really bad. Worse than me perhaps. See: vs Brave on Aztec, CuteAngel on Fortress?, Canata on BR.
I'm glad people still remember this thread though. It is, after all, a year old. PS: Can someone post more Bisu for me to add to the OP?
Since the Grand Finals LR thread will probably be spammed with Bisu, ill save my Fantasy pics for that(sigh there are so little pics of my favorite terrorist too)
Oov and Doctor.K will be entering the army after the PL finals. Last chance for them to capture another winner's medal until they finish their military service.
On August 02 2011 14:55 Ryo wrote: Oov and Doctor.K will be entering the army after the PL finals. Last chance for them to capture another winner's medal until they finish their military service.
On August 02 2011 14:55 Ryo wrote: Oov and Doctor.K will be entering the army after the PL finals. Last chance for them to capture another winner's medal until they finish their military service.
Looks like Fantasy will have to find his own path in Starcraft. No longer can he be called Oov's puppet if Oov is in the army. Also, I was thinking of making the LR thread, but I need a theme for graphics. Anyone have a good idea?
On August 02 2011 17:24 FirstProbe wrote: Although arguably less impressive, Flash will have the chance to hold all 3 titles once again. Go KTFlash!!!!!
precisely, that's because winning the playoffs really isnt that important. see, the hugeass check given to SKT1 with "2nd PLACE" written on it is the concrete evidence that skt1 won the 10-11 proleague. dont be deceived, thats platinum, not silver.
why best made so few and too late arbiters vs flash anyway?
we shouldve won when it was 3x1, taking it to the ace match with flash in the other team is madness.... SKT should buy jaedong asap, we would be invincible :p
Don't worry guys, perhaps you'll win next year. + Show Spoiler +
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On August 20 2011 23:46 IntoTheEmo wrote: You guys are pretty harsh on SKT, either side coulda won on any given day.
Back when the regular season ended I would have placed my money on SKT or CJ winning it.
PS - don't mind the KT tag ^^
Considering how SKT fans acted like they had it for the longest time, I think they deserve all the salt that gets sprinkled on their wounds.
I love you
+1
i think KT went from being my second least favorite team to my third favorite just by virtue of raping SKT in finals, though im sad for dohjaewoook
same here
good job on being obnoxious, skt fans (and specially bisu fans)
I wouldn't say KT raped SKT, since it was 4-3 (Last year was rape for sure though). That being said, seeing KT win and the nerd tears of obnoxious SKT fans definitely made my night.
I don't hate SKT, their fans and don't want to put salt anywhere. What I really don't understand is why SKT fans not only the most biased ones were so sure they'll crush us? Now that the final is over: SKT lost despite their coach doing more than a miracle seeding his players in the best possible matches. So I'm thinking what could have gone better for them - S2 taking his game which is the more realistic scenario or Flash losing to Best? Which is still realistic though I won't count on it on maps that are fine for Terran and Flash is particularly good on them. The match was a final and Flash had the time to prepare also for the last map he needed to prepare for just two match ups TvP and TvT since SKT are not sending zerg against him on Circuit (not that there is a high chance of sending a zerg on Fortress).
Here is how I rate SKT main players coming to the final: Bisu - top form By.Sun - top form soO - performing well Fantasy - very strong in finals, poor recent results Best - weak performance S2 - poor results and lacking game sense
I'm not going to rate KTs players but I think Roo, Action and Hoejja had very good chances of taking anyone but Fantasy and CH had a chance to beat a zerg player.
I hope there are no more unpleasant surprises such as teams disbanded and if KT continues to evolve their players the same way there can be a third title who knows
I wonder what the TLers that haven't watched the vods yet think. "Why is that thread bumped? MAYBE SKT WON OHMAIGAWD I'M SPOILED BUT THAT'S OK WE WON LOLOLOL KT!!!!!", then he watched the vods later that day.
You bumped this just so you could say "guess not?"
What kind of sick bastard are you? Wow.....
I can't believe this dick just pulled this kind of stunt
Edit: Actually, my tone was a little harsh so I will apologize for that ..... but I still stand by what I said. I do not appreciate that you bumped a thread just to say "guess not."
All I'll say it, s2 really dropped the ball on this one. soO as well, but not as much as s2. Ever fickle how a ZvZ and not choosing a hydrabust can change things. :p
You bumped this just so you could say "guess not?"
What kind of sick bastard are you? Wow.....
I can't believe this dick just pulled this kind of stunt
Edit: Actually, my tone was a little harsh so I will apologize for that ..... but I still stand by what I said. I do not appreciate that you bumped a thread just to say "guess not."
Sick bastard? All of you SKT fanboys were acting like SKT had it in the bag for the longest damn time. This thread is an exact epitome of this arrogance. It's perfectly relevant to bump it right after SKT loses.
You bumped this just so you could say "guess not?"
What kind of sick bastard are you? Wow.....
I can't believe this dick just pulled this kind of stunt
Edit: Actually, my tone was a little harsh so I will apologize for that ..... but I still stand by what I said. I do not appreciate that you bumped a thread just to say "guess not."
It's not out of relevance at all. It's completely relevant with what just happened. stop letting your skt1 fanboyism get in the way of your thinking :3
I honestly approved of this thread back then, and I approve of this thread now. What this thread did was to give fans hope, cheer them up after defeats, make them even happier after victories, and give them a sense of unison. That said, SKT fans along with many others went too far and deserve some of their obnoxiousness rubbed back in, but the gentlemanly thing to do would be to act courteously even if they don't deserve it, maybe they can learn something from the experience.
Or maybe not, but at least it would be the mature thing to do.
You bumped this just so you could say "guess not?"
What kind of sick bastard are you? Wow.....
I can't believe this dick just pulled this kind of stunt
Edit: Actually, my tone was a little harsh so I will apologize for that ..... but I still stand by what I said. I do not appreciate that you bumped a thread just to say "guess not."
im f5ing this thread just for SKT nerd rants just like this guy
On August 21 2011 16:01 mustaju wrote: I honestly approved of this thread back then, and I approve of this thread now. What this thread did was to give fans hope, cheer them up after defeats, make them even happier after victories, and give them a sense of unison. That said, SKT fans along with many others went too far and deserve some of their obnoxiousness rubbed back in, but the gentlemanly thing to do would be to act courteously even if they don't deserve it, maybe they can learn something from the experience.
Or maybe not, but at least it would be the mature thing to do.
hope you're feeling better about the STX drama. If it's any consolation to STX fans (and SKT fans), STX beat KT in the SF Proleague Final. And what an awesome final it was too.
On August 21 2011 16:01 mustaju wrote: I honestly approved of this thread back then, and I approve of this thread now. What this thread did was to give fans hope, cheer them up after defeats, make them even happier after victories, and give them a sense of unison. That said, SKT fans along with many others went too far and deserve some of their obnoxiousness rubbed back in, but the gentlemanly thing to do would be to act courteously even if they don't deserve it, maybe they can learn something from the experience.
Or maybe not, but at least it would be the mature thing to do.
hope you're feeling better about the STX drama. If it's any consolation to STX fans (and SKT fans), STX beat KT in the SF Proleague Final. And what an awesome final it was too.
Well, not feeling much better about that. We had a good run in the STX masters though, that was nice. Can you tell me whether it's possible to watch the SF finals somewhere? I'd love to see those guys win.
On August 21 2011 16:01 mustaju wrote: I honestly approved of this thread back then, and I approve of this thread now. What this thread did was to give fans hope, cheer them up after defeats, make them even happier after victories, and give them a sense of unison. That said, SKT fans along with many others went too far and deserve some of their obnoxiousness rubbed back in, but the gentlemanly thing to do would be to act courteously even if they don't deserve it, maybe they can learn something from the experience.
Or maybe not, but at least it would be the mature thing to do.
hope you're feeling better about the STX drama. If it's any consolation to STX fans (and SKT fans), STX beat KT in the SF Proleague Final. And what an awesome final it was too.
Well, not feeling much better about that. We had a good run in the STX masters though, that was nice. Can you tell me whether it's possible to watch the SF finals somewhere? I'd love to see those guys win.
On August 21 2011 16:01 mustaju wrote: I honestly approved of this thread back then, and I approve of this thread now. What this thread did was to give fans hope, cheer them up after defeats, make them even happier after victories, and give them a sense of unison. That said, SKT fans along with many others went too far and deserve some of their obnoxiousness rubbed back in, but the gentlemanly thing to do would be to act courteously even if they don't deserve it, maybe they can learn something from the experience.
Or maybe not, but at least it would be the mature thing to do.
hope you're feeling better about the STX drama. If it's any consolation to STX fans (and SKT fans), STX beat KT in the SF Proleague Final. And what an awesome final it was too.
Well, not feeling much better about that. We had a good run in the STX masters though, that was nice. Can you tell me whether it's possible to watch the SF finals somewhere? I'd love to see those guys win.
On August 20 2011 23:46 IntoTheEmo wrote: You guys are pretty harsh on SKT, either side coulda won on any given day.
Back when the regular season ended I would have placed my money on SKT or CJ winning it.
PS - don't mind the KT tag ^^
Considering how SKT fans acted like they had it for the longest time, I think they deserve all the salt that gets sprinkled on their wounds.
I love you
+1
i think KT went from being my second least favorite team to my third favorite just by virtue of raping SKT in finals, though im sad for dohjaewoook
same here
good job on being obnoxious, skt fans (and specially bisu fans)
Must be sad when you find the only joy in hating other team because your team brings you no joy at all + Show Spoiler +
Must be sad when you have to do your fighting on the forums because your team cant do its job in the booth...
I'm not fighting anyone, I'm not even that disappointed by the final result because all my sc life I've been Bisu fan rather than a team fan. And Bisu shew incredibly great defense and multitasking in his game. I'm just amused by the number of KT fans coming here (even though many teams have thread like this) and bashing after their win. It reminds me of those insecure kids, who beat you in a sport/game and then have to talk about it and rub it in your face for hours because they know this may not happen again. We're confident enough to know we will make it to finals again next season. And we will win, no matter who we face. We don't need to hate.
On August 20 2011 23:46 IntoTheEmo wrote: You guys are pretty harsh on SKT, either side coulda won on any given day.
Back when the regular season ended I would have placed my money on SKT or CJ winning it.
PS - don't mind the KT tag ^^
Considering how SKT fans acted like they had it for the longest time, I think they deserve all the salt that gets sprinkled on their wounds.
I love you
+1
i think KT went from being my second least favorite team to my third favorite just by virtue of raping SKT in finals, though im sad for dohjaewoook
same here
good job on being obnoxious, skt fans (and specially bisu fans)
Must be sad when you find the only joy in hating other team because your team brings you no joy at all + Show Spoiler +
Must be sad when you have to do your fighting on the forums because your team cant do its job in the booth...
I'm not fighting anyone, I'm not even that disappointed by the final result because all my sc life I've been Bisu fan rather than a team fan. And Bisu shew incredibly great defense and multitasking in his game. I'm just amused by the number of KT fans coming here (even though many teams have thread like this) and bashing after their win. It reminds me of those insecure kids, who beat you in a sport/game and then have to talk about it and rub it in your face for hours because they know this may not happen again. We're confident enough to know we will make it to finals again next season. And we will win, no matter who we face. We don't need to hate.
You call that being a true fan for your team while you only root for one player ? you disgust me .
On August 20 2011 23:46 IntoTheEmo wrote: You guys are pretty harsh on SKT, either side coulda won on any given day.
Back when the regular season ended I would have placed my money on SKT or CJ winning it.
PS - don't mind the KT tag ^^
Considering how SKT fans acted like they had it for the longest time, I think they deserve all the salt that gets sprinkled on their wounds.
I love you
+1
i think KT went from being my second least favorite team to my third favorite just by virtue of raping SKT in finals, though im sad for dohjaewoook
same here
good job on being obnoxious, skt fans (and specially bisu fans)
Must be sad when you find the only joy in hating other team because your team brings you no joy at all + Show Spoiler +
Must be sad when you have to do your fighting on the forums because your team cant do its job in the booth...
I'm not fighting anyone, I'm not even that disappointed by the final result because all my sc life I've been Bisu fan rather than a team fan. And Bisu shew incredibly great defense and multitasking in his game. I'm just amused by the number of KT fans coming here (even though many teams have thread like this) and bashing after their win. It reminds me of those insecure kids, who beat you in a sport/game and then have to talk about it and rub it in your face for hours because they know this may not happen again. We're confident enough to know we will make it to finals again next season. And we will win, no matter who we face. We don't need to hate.
You call that being a true fan for your team while you only root for one player ? you disgust me .
If you really think about it, some of these KT fans are only Flash supporters, but I know of at least a few KT fans that are team fans; TwoToneTerran and BLinD-RawR being foremost among them. He's just an example in the vein of the first type of KT fan. I'm sure there are SKT fans who are of the second type.
On August 20 2011 23:46 IntoTheEmo wrote: You guys are pretty harsh on SKT, either side coulda won on any given day.
Back when the regular season ended I would have placed my money on SKT or CJ winning it.
PS - don't mind the KT tag ^^
Considering how SKT fans acted like they had it for the longest time, I think they deserve all the salt that gets sprinkled on their wounds.
I love you
+1
i think KT went from being my second least favorite team to my third favorite just by virtue of raping SKT in finals, though im sad for dohjaewoook
same here
good job on being obnoxious, skt fans (and specially bisu fans)
Must be sad when you find the only joy in hating other team because your team brings you no joy at all + Show Spoiler +
Must be sad when you have to do your fighting on the forums because your team cant do its job in the booth...
I'm not fighting anyone, I'm not even that disappointed by the final result because all my sc life I've been Bisu fan rather than a team fan. And Bisu shew incredibly great defense and multitasking in his game. I'm just amused by the number of KT fans coming here (even though many teams have thread like this) and bashing after their win. It reminds me of those insecure kids, who beat you in a sport/game and then have to talk about it and rub it in your face for hours because they know this may not happen again. We're confident enough to know we will make it to finals again next season. And we will win, no matter who we face. We don't need to hate.
On August 20 2011 23:46 IntoTheEmo wrote: You guys are pretty harsh on SKT, either side coulda won on any given day.
Back when the regular season ended I would have placed my money on SKT or CJ winning it.
PS - don't mind the KT tag ^^
Considering how SKT fans acted like they had it for the longest time, I think they deserve all the salt that gets sprinkled on their wounds.
I love you
+1
i think KT went from being my second least favorite team to my third favorite just by virtue of raping SKT in finals, though im sad for dohjaewoook
same here
good job on being obnoxious, skt fans (and specially bisu fans)
Must be sad when you find the only joy in hating other team because your team brings you no joy at all + Show Spoiler +
Must be sad when you have to do your fighting on the forums because your team cant do its job in the booth...
I'm not fighting anyone, I'm not even that disappointed by the final result because all my sc life I've been Bisu fan rather than a team fan. And Bisu shew incredibly great defense and multitasking in his game. I'm just amused by the number of KT fans coming here (even though many teams have thread like this) and bashing after their win. It reminds me of those insecure kids, who beat you in a sport/game and then have to talk about it and rub it in your face for hours because they know this may not happen again. We're confident enough to know we will make it to finals again next season. And we will win, no matter who we face. We don't need to hate.
You call that being a true fan for your team while you only root for one player ? you disgust me .
On August 20 2011 23:46 IntoTheEmo wrote: You guys are pretty harsh on SKT, either side coulda won on any given day.
Back when the regular season ended I would have placed my money on SKT or CJ winning it.
PS - don't mind the KT tag ^^
Considering how SKT fans acted like they had it for the longest time, I think they deserve all the salt that gets sprinkled on their wounds.
I love you
+1
i think KT went from being my second least favorite team to my third favorite just by virtue of raping SKT in finals, though im sad for dohjaewoook
same here
good job on being obnoxious, skt fans (and specially bisu fans)
Must be sad when you find the only joy in hating other team because your team brings you no joy at all + Show Spoiler +
Must be sad when you have to do your fighting on the forums because your team cant do its job in the booth...
I'm not fighting anyone, I'm not even that disappointed by the final result because all my sc life I've been Bisu fan rather than a team fan. And Bisu shew incredibly great defense and multitasking in his game. I'm just amused by the number of KT fans coming here (even though many teams have thread like this) and bashing after their win. It reminds me of those insecure kids, who beat you in a sport/game and then have to talk about it and rub it in your face for hours because they know this may not happen again. We're confident enough to know we will make it to finals again next season. And we will win, no matter who we face. We don't need to hate.
You call that being a true fan for your team while you only root for one player ? you disgust me .
He never called himself a true fan for a team?
yea, this is sadly worse than sc2 forums. Miss the point completely, make up a statement I never said and try to offend me because of it. Well done.
Anyway I don't see why is it so bad to be fan of a certain player rather than fan of a team. I believe most of the teams originaly got their fanbase because of players who play for them, not the other way around.
Considering how SKT fans acted like they had it for the longest time, I think they deserve all the salt that gets sprinkled on their wounds.
I love you
+1
i think KT went from being my second least favorite team to my third favorite just by virtue of raping SKT in finals, though im sad for dohjaewoook
same here
good job on being obnoxious, skt fans (and specially bisu fans)
Must be sad when you find the only joy in hating other team because your team brings you no joy at all + Show Spoiler +
Must be sad when you have to do your fighting on the forums because your team cant do its job in the booth...
I'm not fighting anyone, I'm not even that disappointed by the final result because all my sc life I've been Bisu fan rather than a team fan. And Bisu shew incredibly great defense and multitasking in his game. I'm just amused by the number of KT fans coming here (even though many teams have thread like this) and bashing after their win. It reminds me of those insecure kids, who beat you in a sport/game and then have to talk about it and rub it in your face for hours because they know this may not happen again. We're confident enough to know we will make it to finals again next season. And we will win, no matter who we face. We don't need to hate.
You call that being a true fan for your team while you only root for one player ? you disgust me .
He never called himself a true fan for a team?
yea, this is sadly worse than sc2 forums. Miss the point completely, make up a statement I never said and try to offend me because of it. Well done.
Anyway I don't see why is it so bad to be fan of a certain player rather than fan of a team. I believe most of the teams originaly got their fanbase because of players who play for them, not the other way around.
I am a FlaSh fan, so I became a KT fan obviously so I can agree with your point.
I really wanted to see bisu vs flash, even though im more of a flash fan then bisu, hes winning too much even with his wrist injury, so imagine after he recovers 100% , each time bisu loses a game, he genuinely looked surprised he lost the game, woulda been great way to end the finals
On August 20 2011 23:46 IntoTheEmo wrote: You guys are pretty harsh on SKT, either side coulda won on any given day.
Back when the regular season ended I would have placed my money on SKT or CJ winning it.
PS - don't mind the KT tag ^^
Considering how SKT fans acted like they had it for the longest time, I think they deserve all the salt that gets sprinkled on their wounds.
I love you
+1
i think KT went from being my second least favorite team to my third favorite just by virtue of raping SKT in finals, though im sad for dohjaewoook
same here
good job on being obnoxious, skt fans (and specially bisu fans)
Must be sad when you find the only joy in hating other team because your team brings you no joy at all + Show Spoiler +
Must be sad when you have to do your fighting on the forums because your team cant do its job in the booth...
I'm not fighting anyone, I'm not even that disappointed by the final result because all my sc life I've been Bisu fan rather than a team fan. And Bisu shew incredibly great defense and multitasking in his game. I'm just amused by the number of KT fans coming here (even though many teams have thread like this) and bashing after their win. It reminds me of those insecure kids, who beat you in a sport/game and then have to talk about it and rub it in your face for hours because they know this may not happen again. We're confident enough to know we will make it to finals again next season. And we will win, no matter who we face. We don't need to hate.
well, the thing is that the majority of TL is composed of people with SKT tags but who are mostly only Bisu fans and has shown the most arrogance and bias throughout the years. the majority of the remaining TLers, though supportive of their own teams, thus come together when bashing SKT
PS. KT owned your team twice PSS. there was some interview before with kingdom and he said in his SKT times, it was Best who pioneered all the protoss strategies and build orders, whilst Bisu was only the one who carried them out, thus somewhat making Bisu to Best alike a puppet not unlike Fantasy to oov, and yes including PvZ.
On August 20 2011 23:46 IntoTheEmo wrote: You guys are pretty harsh on SKT, either side coulda won on any given day.
Back when the regular season ended I would have placed my money on SKT or CJ winning it.
PS - don't mind the KT tag ^^
Considering how SKT fans acted like they had it for the longest time, I think they deserve all the salt that gets sprinkled on their wounds.
I love you
+1
i think KT went from being my second least favorite team to my third favorite just by virtue of raping SKT in finals, though im sad for dohjaewoook
same here
good job on being obnoxious, skt fans (and specially bisu fans)
Must be sad when you find the only joy in hating other team because your team brings you no joy at all + Show Spoiler +
Must be sad when you have to do your fighting on the forums because your team cant do its job in the booth...
I'm not fighting anyone, I'm not even that disappointed by the final result because all my sc life I've been Bisu fan rather than a team fan. And Bisu shew incredibly great defense and multitasking in his game. I'm just amused by the number of KT fans coming here (even though many teams have thread like this) and bashing after their win. It reminds me of those insecure kids, who beat you in a sport/game and then have to talk about it and rub it in your face for hours because they know this may not happen again. We're confident enough to know we will make it to finals again next season. And we will win, no matter who we face. We don't need to hate.
well, the thing is that the majority of TL is composed of people with SKT tags but who are mostly only Bisu fans and has shown the most arrogance and bias throughout the years. the majority of the remaining TLers, though supportive of their own teams, thus come together when bashing SKT
PS. KT owned your team twice PSS. there was some interview before with kingdom and he said in his SKT times, it was Best who pioneered all the protoss strategies and build orders, whilst Bisu was only the one who carried them out, thus somewhat making Bisu to Best alike a puppet not unlike Fantasy to oov, and yes including PvZ.
saying bisu is best's puppet is a bit of an overstatement. let's not forget that the "revolutionary bisu build" was used when bisu was in MBC. if anything, bisu is coach park's puppet. best most likely tweaked the bisu build to incorporate the +1 speedlot timing against hydras, or any other variation, if what you say is true. your puppet analogy is weak in best's/bisu's case because while one player may have had influence over the other, both players have shown to execute similar strategies in broadcast games. this is different from fantasy's/oov's case, where one person plays while the other is observing from the bench. Best and bisu are teammates, so it's no wonder that their play styles feed off each other--I've noticed Bisu's PvP/PvT macro has improved since moving to SKT. As for best's PvZ, I haven't been paying much attention haha. all i know is that his PvZ is mediocre/borderline bad.
Considering how SKT fans acted like they had it for the longest time, I think they deserve all the salt that gets sprinkled on their wounds.
I love you
+1
i think KT went from being my second least favorite team to my third favorite just by virtue of raping SKT in finals, though im sad for dohjaewoook
same here
good job on being obnoxious, skt fans (and specially bisu fans)
Must be sad when you find the only joy in hating other team because your team brings you no joy at all + Show Spoiler +
Must be sad when you have to do your fighting on the forums because your team cant do its job in the booth...
I'm not fighting anyone, I'm not even that disappointed by the final result because all my sc life I've been Bisu fan rather than a team fan. And Bisu shew incredibly great defense and multitasking in his game. I'm just amused by the number of KT fans coming here (even though many teams have thread like this) and bashing after their win. It reminds me of those insecure kids, who beat you in a sport/game and then have to talk about it and rub it in your face for hours because they know this may not happen again. We're confident enough to know we will make it to finals again next season. And we will win, no matter who we face. We don't need to hate.
You call that being a true fan for your team while you only root for one player ? you disgust me .
He never called himself a true fan for a team?
yea, this is sadly worse than sc2 forums. Miss the point completely, make up a statement I never said and try to offend me because of it. Well done.
wow, i can't believe you're martyring, specially being you the only one doing assumptions about others in the first place. i guess this comes to prove that i was right when i called (most) bisu fanboys obnoxious...
Pretty sure every Flash hater jumped on Flash's ballz last time he dropped out of an individual league (both, for that matter). Maybe we should call them insecure children as well.
On August 20 2011 23:46 IntoTheEmo wrote: You guys are pretty harsh on SKT, either side coulda won on any given day.
Back when the regular season ended I would have placed my money on SKT or CJ winning it.
PS - don't mind the KT tag ^^
Considering how SKT fans acted like they had it for the longest time, I think they deserve all the salt that gets sprinkled on their wounds.
I love you
+1
i think KT went from being my second least favorite team to my third favorite just by virtue of raping SKT in finals, though im sad for dohjaewoook
same here
good job on being obnoxious, skt fans (and specially bisu fans)
Must be sad when you find the only joy in hating other team because your team brings you no joy at all + Show Spoiler +
Must be sad when you have to do your fighting on the forums because your team cant do its job in the booth...
I'm not fighting anyone, I'm not even that disappointed by the final result because all my sc life I've been Bisu fan rather than a team fan. And Bisu shew incredibly great defense and multitasking in his game. I'm just amused by the number of KT fans coming here (even though many teams have thread like this) and bashing after their win. It reminds me of those insecure kids, who beat you in a sport/game and then have to talk about it and rub it in your face for hours because they know this may not happen again. We're confident enough to know we will make it to finals again next season. And we will win, no matter who we face. We don't need to hate.
Trust me, we would get more shit thrown at us than Dane Cook does a day if the result happens the other way around. The KT fan base is still smaller comparing to SKT's. If you don't want to see your team bashed, don't surf TL for at least a week after the final.
On August 22 2011 00:26 bearbuddy wrote: Pretty sure every Flash hater jumped on Flash's ballz last time he dropped out of an individual league (both, for that matter). Maybe we should call them insecure children as well.
Yeah, he got more shit and flame than the whole collective team of SKT of today back when it happened.
On August 20 2011 23:46 IntoTheEmo wrote: You guys are pretty harsh on SKT, either side coulda won on any given day.
Back when the regular season ended I would have placed my money on SKT or CJ winning it.
PS - don't mind the KT tag ^^
Considering how SKT fans acted like they had it for the longest time, I think they deserve all the salt that gets sprinkled on their wounds.
I love you
+1
i think KT went from being my second least favorite team to my third favorite just by virtue of raping SKT in finals, though im sad for dohjaewoook
same here
good job on being obnoxious, skt fans (and specially bisu fans)
Must be sad when you find the only joy in hating other team because your team brings you no joy at all + Show Spoiler +
Must be sad when you have to do your fighting on the forums because your team cant do its job in the booth...
I'm not fighting anyone, I'm not even that disappointed by the final result because all my sc life I've been Bisu fan rather than a team fan. And Bisu shew incredibly great defense and multitasking in his game. I'm just amused by the number of KT fans coming here (even though many teams have thread like this) and bashing after their win. It reminds me of those insecure kids, who beat you in a sport/game and then have to talk about it and rub it in your face for hours because they know this may not happen again. We're confident enough to know we will make it to finals again next season. And we will win, no matter who we face. We don't need to hate.
well, the thing is that the majority of TL is composed of people with SKT tags but who are mostly only Bisu fans and has shown the most arrogance and bias throughout the years. the majority of the remaining TLers, though supportive of their own teams, thus come together when bashing SKT
PS. KT owned your team twice PSS. there was some interview before with kingdom and he said in his SKT times, it was Best who pioneered all the protoss strategies and build orders, whilst Bisu was only the one who carried them out, thus somewhat making Bisu to Best alike a puppet not unlike Fantasy to oov, and yes including PvZ.
saying bisu is best's puppet is a bit of an overstatement. let's not forget that the "revolutionary bisu build" was used when bisu was in MBC. if anything, bisu is coach park's puppet. best most likely tweaked the bisu build to incorporate the +1 speedlot timing against hydras, or any other variation, if what you say is true. your puppet analogy is weak in best's/bisu's case because while one player may have had influence over the other, both players have shown to execute similar strategies in broadcast games. this is different from fantasy's/oov's case, where one person plays while the other is observing from the bench. Best and bisu are teammates, so it's no wonder that their play styles feed off each other--I've noticed Bisu's PvP/PvT macro has improved since moving to SKT. As for best's PvZ, I haven't been paying much attention haha. all i know is that his PvZ is mediocre/borderline bad.
I was about to say something like this when I read his post, but nice to see someone else doing so.
Bisu was definitely the innovator for Protoss during his MBC days.
Well, a Bisu fan gushing over his player + an abrasive KT fan is definitely NOT a good combination. If SKT wins STX Masters (as usual), then at least they have 2 team golds this cycle; strangely, both for WL format games.
On August 20 2011 23:46 IntoTheEmo wrote: You guys are pretty harsh on SKT, either side coulda won on any given day.
Back when the regular season ended I would have placed my money on SKT or CJ winning it.
PS - don't mind the KT tag ^^
Considering how SKT fans acted like they had it for the longest time, I think they deserve all the salt that gets sprinkled on their wounds.
I love you
+1
i think KT went from being my second least favorite team to my third favorite just by virtue of raping SKT in finals, though im sad for dohjaewoook
same here
good job on being obnoxious, skt fans (and specially bisu fans)
Must be sad when you find the only joy in hating other team because your team brings you no joy at all + Show Spoiler +
Must be sad when you have to do your fighting on the forums because your team cant do its job in the booth...
I'm not fighting anyone, I'm not even that disappointed by the final result because all my sc life I've been Bisu fan rather than a team fan. And Bisu shew incredibly great defense and multitasking in his game. I'm just amused by the number of KT fans coming here (even though many teams have thread like this) and bashing after their win. It reminds me of those insecure kids, who beat you in a sport/game and then have to talk about it and rub it in your face for hours because they know this may not happen again. We're confident enough to know we will make it to finals again next season. And we will win, no matter who we face. We don't need to hate.
You call that being a true fan for your team while you only root for one player ? you disgust me .
If you really think about it, some of these KT fans are only Flash supporters, but I know of at least a few KT fans that are team fans; TwoToneTerran and BLinD-RawR being foremost among them. He's just an example in the vein of the first type of KT fan. I'm sure there are SKT fans who are of the second type.
I like that I'm now compared to TTT a lot these days.
On August 20 2011 23:46 IntoTheEmo wrote: You guys are pretty harsh on SKT, either side coulda won on any given day.
Back when the regular season ended I would have placed my money on SKT or CJ winning it.
PS - don't mind the KT tag ^^
Considering how SKT fans acted like they had it for the longest time, I think they deserve all the salt that gets sprinkled on their wounds.
I love you
+1
i think KT went from being my second least favorite team to my third favorite just by virtue of raping SKT in finals, though im sad for dohjaewoook
same here
good job on being obnoxious, skt fans (and specially bisu fans)
Must be sad when you find the only joy in hating other team because your team brings you no joy at all + Show Spoiler +
Must be sad when you have to do your fighting on the forums because your team cant do its job in the booth...
I'm not fighting anyone, I'm not even that disappointed by the final result because all my sc life I've been Bisu fan rather than a team fan. And Bisu shew incredibly great defense and multitasking in his game. I'm just amused by the number of KT fans coming here (even though many teams have thread like this) and bashing after their win. It reminds me of those insecure kids, who beat you in a sport/game and then have to talk about it and rub it in your face for hours because they know this may not happen again. We're confident enough to know we will make it to finals again next season. And we will win, no matter who we face. We don't need to hate.
well, the thing is that the majority of TL is composed of people with SKT tags but who are mostly only Bisu fans and has shown the most arrogance and bias throughout the years. the majority of the remaining TLers, though supportive of their own teams, thus come together when bashing SKT
PS. KT owned your team twice PSS. there was some interview before with kingdom and he said in his SKT times, it was Best who pioneered all the protoss strategies and build orders, whilst Bisu was only the one who carried them out, thus somewhat making Bisu to Best alike a puppet not unlike Fantasy to oov, and yes including PvZ.
saying bisu is best's puppet is a bit of an overstatement. let's not forget that the "revolutionary bisu build" was used when bisu was in MBC. if anything, bisu is coach park's puppet. best most likely tweaked the bisu build to incorporate the +1 speedlot timing against hydras, or any other variation, if what you say is true. your puppet analogy is weak in best's/bisu's case because while one player may have had influence over the other, both players have shown to execute similar strategies in broadcast games. this is different from fantasy's/oov's case, where one person plays while the other is observing from the bench. Best and bisu are teammates, so it's no wonder that their play styles feed off each other--I've noticed Bisu's PvP/PvT macro has improved since moving to SKT. As for best's PvZ, I haven't been paying much attention haha. all i know is that his PvZ is mediocre/borderline bad.
I was about to say something like this when I read his post, but nice to see someone else doing so.
Bisu was definitely the innovator for Protoss during his MBC days.
Lol. pusan invented the " revolutionary bisu build". according to kingdom, best was the innovator for PvZ when bisu was in SKT.
Bisu gets all the credit for executing the builds to near perfection
On August 24 2011 01:32 pyrogenetix wrote: Haha I didn't think the stupid football hooligan attitude would come into sc. "My team is better than your team." holy shit take it easy guys.
O.o? Pretty sure the point of a competition is to see who is better.
On August 24 2011 01:32 pyrogenetix wrote: Haha I didn't think the stupid football hooligan attitude would come into sc. "My team is better than your team." holy shit take it easy guys.
On the other hand, my team is better than your team!
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