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Lebesgue
Profile Joined October 2008
4542 Posts
September 20 2010 03:57 GMT
#141
So CJ has now Snow, Syhigh and Movie. Oh, and Hydra as their best Zerg...

Will BW survive this dark time?
vectorix108
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
United States4633 Posts
September 20 2010 03:57 GMT
#142
WTFFFFFF noOOOOOOOo CJ IS GONNA BE SO WEAK THIS YEAR NOW.

RAGE RAGE
Aka XephyR/Shaneyesss
sva
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States747 Posts
September 20 2010 03:58 GMT
#143
This is a sad, sad day gentlemen. We will miss you Effort.
Spazer
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
Canada8029 Posts
September 20 2010 03:58 GMT
#144
What the heck has been going on this month? Anyway, best of luck to Effort, whatever he's doing now...

Worst. Offseason. Ever.
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Lebesgue
Profile Joined October 2008
4542 Posts
September 20 2010 03:58 GMT
#145
On September 20 2010 12:57 Womwomwom wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 20 2010 12:53 IntoTheWow wrote:
On September 20 2010 12:49 Womwomwom wrote:
On September 20 2010 12:46 Lightwip wrote:
On September 20 2010 12:44 Womwomwom wrote:
On September 20 2010 12:28 kNyTTyM wrote:
whaaaaaaat..........
Progamer on top of his game retiring Wow this is mega huge.


You could argue he wasn't ontop of his game. Sure he beat Flash in a finals series but he has playing nowhere near the level he was in 08-09 proleague.

If he wasn't, he sure was close. You usually don't win starleagues when you're not at the top.


He pretty much got railroaded to the finals. He struggled to get out of the easiest group ever (Shine + go.go), beat the worst series player with shaky ZvZ (Zero), beat the infamous PvZ choker (Kal), and beat Flash through a really cool all in, Flash choosing to BBS, and Flash handing over the win because of 14CC.

He wasn't in his prime, definitely not. Him leaving at this time was a great idea, it shows that he knows the reality of the situation.



He was the only Zerg capable of stopping flash ZvT along with Jaedong in his 2010 dominance.

He went 5-2 in 2010 against Flash.


Meanwhile he hasn't done so hot against all of other TvZ players. Yes, Flash is the best terran but there are so many other good TvZ players he has to get through before he might even have a shot of winning the finals. We're talking about Leta, Light, and Sea.


He did eliminate Midas from MSL and then Forgg in the WCG.
Rio
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
Vietnam598 Posts
September 20 2010 03:58 GMT
#146
OMG
WTF
What ever ---------------------------------------------------™
Shatter
Profile Joined October 2009
United States1401 Posts
September 20 2010 03:59 GMT
#147
On September 20 2010 12:57 Womwomwom wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 20 2010 12:53 IntoTheWow wrote:
On September 20 2010 12:49 Womwomwom wrote:
On September 20 2010 12:46 Lightwip wrote:
On September 20 2010 12:44 Womwomwom wrote:
On September 20 2010 12:28 kNyTTyM wrote:
whaaaaaaat..........
Progamer on top of his game retiring Wow this is mega huge.


You could argue he wasn't ontop of his game. Sure he beat Flash in a finals series but he has playing nowhere near the level he was in 08-09 proleague.

If he wasn't, he sure was close. You usually don't win starleagues when you're not at the top.


He pretty much got railroaded to the finals. He struggled to get out of the easiest group ever (Shine + go.go), beat the worst series player with shaky ZvZ (Zero), beat the infamous PvZ choker (Kal), and beat Flash through a really cool all in, Flash choosing to BBS, and Flash handing over the win because of 14CC.

He wasn't in his prime, definitely not. Him leaving at this time was a great idea, it shows that he knows the reality of the situation.



He was the only Zerg capable of stopping flash ZvT along with Jaedong in his 2010 dominance.

He went 5-2 in 2010 against Flash.


Meanwhile he hasn't done so hot against all of other TvZ players. Yes, Flash is the best terran but there are so many other good TvZ players he has to get through before he might even have a shot of winning the finals. We're talking about Leta, Light, and Sea.
What Zerg do you think right now is better than Effort except Jaedong? ZvT is Effort's weakest match up but he still pretty damn good at it and his ZvZ and ZvP are pretty amazing.
Nfi
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
United States357 Posts
September 20 2010 03:59 GMT
#148
Lookin at half the comments here I think did you even READ the news story? Half the people say it was because he was underpayed and the other half are saying its because he wants to go to SC2 it is neither of those people read the god damn articles.

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"Man is least himself when he talks in his own person, give man a mask, and he will tell you the truth."
endy
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Switzerland8970 Posts
September 20 2010 04:00 GMT
#149
Wow that sucks. I've never been an Effort fan, I can even say I used to dislike him, but man, he was one of the few challengers for JD/Flash. I am really sad that he is retiring.
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Shatter
Profile Joined October 2009
United States1401 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-09-20 04:01:34
September 20 2010 04:00 GMT
#150
On September 20 2010 12:59 Nfi wrote:
Lookin at half the comments here I think did you even READ the news story? Half the people say it was because he was underpayed and the other half are saying its because he wants to go to SC2 it is neither of those people read the god damn articles.
And you don't read the comments. The article wasn't there when it was first posted, so people were speculating.
EvilTeletubby
Profile Blog Joined January 2004
Baltimore, USA22251 Posts
September 20 2010 04:01 GMT
#151
On September 20 2010 12:59 Nfi wrote:
Lookin at half the comments here I think did you even READ the news story? Half the people say it was because he was underpayed and the other half are saying its because he wants to go to SC2 it is neither of those people read the god damn articles.


And did you read the comments where people were saying they couldn't wait for it to be translated? It's obvious the original post did not have the story as you see it now...
Moderatorhttp://carbonleaf.yuku.com/topic/408/t/So-I-proposed-at-a-Carbon-Leaf-concert.html ***** RIP Geoff
Hesmyrr
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Canada5776 Posts
September 20 2010 04:01 GMT
#152
On September 20 2010 12:59 Nfi wrote:
Lookin at half the comments here I think did you even READ the news story? Half the people say it was because he was underpayed and the other half are saying its because he wants to go to SC2 it is neither of those people read the god damn articles.

Did you just look at page 1~2 and jump in here without thinking about reasoning at all? Although considering the reputation of SC2 board I guess some people are justified in believing the terrible quality of posters.
"If watching the MSL finals makes you a progamer, then anyone in Korea can do it." - Ha Tae Ki
Hesmyrr
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Canada5776 Posts
September 20 2010 04:01 GMT
#153
LOL TRIPLE PUNCH
"If watching the MSL finals makes you a progamer, then anyone in Korea can do it." - Ha Tae Ki
Womwomwom
Profile Blog Joined September 2009
5930 Posts
September 20 2010 04:01 GMT
#154
On September 20 2010 12:59 Shatter wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 20 2010 12:57 Womwomwom wrote:
On September 20 2010 12:53 IntoTheWow wrote:
On September 20 2010 12:49 Womwomwom wrote:
On September 20 2010 12:46 Lightwip wrote:
On September 20 2010 12:44 Womwomwom wrote:
On September 20 2010 12:28 kNyTTyM wrote:
whaaaaaaat..........
Progamer on top of his game retiring Wow this is mega huge.


You could argue he wasn't ontop of his game. Sure he beat Flash in a finals series but he has playing nowhere near the level he was in 08-09 proleague.

If he wasn't, he sure was close. You usually don't win starleagues when you're not at the top.


He pretty much got railroaded to the finals. He struggled to get out of the easiest group ever (Shine + go.go), beat the worst series player with shaky ZvZ (Zero), beat the infamous PvZ choker (Kal), and beat Flash through a really cool all in, Flash choosing to BBS, and Flash handing over the win because of 14CC.

He wasn't in his prime, definitely not. Him leaving at this time was a great idea, it shows that he knows the reality of the situation.



He was the only Zerg capable of stopping flash ZvT along with Jaedong in his 2010 dominance.

He went 5-2 in 2010 against Flash.


Meanwhile he hasn't done so hot against all of other TvZ players. Yes, Flash is the best terran but there are so many other good TvZ players he has to get through before he might even have a shot of winning the finals. We're talking about Leta, Light, and Sea.
What Zerg do you think right now is better than Effort except Jaedong? ZvT is Effort's weakest match up but he still pretty damn good at it and his ZvZ and ZvP are pretty amazing.


That's exactly my point. ZvT is his weakest matchup and with so many good TvZ players still around there is no point for him to stay and achieve nothing. No zerg is better than him but that's completely irrelevant when the last three three Starleagues have been dominated by the best zerg and the best terran.
King K. Rool
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Canada4408 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-09-20 04:02:45
September 20 2010 04:02 GMT
#155


I am so sad... my favourite player gone. It's like CJ got gutted in the span of half a year, savior, effort, iris, kwanro, cho. Man fuck this is depressing news.



I don't really blame him too much... sounds like he got a bit lowballed (weird, seeing as how CJ should have more salary now that iris and savior are gone), but winning a SL, and being at an age where going to school is still "normal" is a really good reason.

Sad to see him go, but I respect his decision.

Hope CJ can pick up action or something to bolster their zerg line now. Or mind to replace Iris?
Lebesgue
Profile Joined October 2008
4542 Posts
September 20 2010 04:02 GMT
#156
On September 20 2010 12:59 Nfi wrote:
Lookin at half the comments here I think did you even READ the news story? Half the people say it was because he was underpayed and the other half are saying its because he wants to go to SC2 it is neither of those people read the god damn articles.


And you didn't even read the other half of the posts right? Because someone posted the same comment a page before and it was explained why people thought so... :/
Shatter
Profile Joined October 2009
United States1401 Posts
September 20 2010 04:03 GMT
#157
On September 20 2010 13:01 Womwomwom wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 20 2010 12:59 Shatter wrote:
On September 20 2010 12:57 Womwomwom wrote:
On September 20 2010 12:53 IntoTheWow wrote:
On September 20 2010 12:49 Womwomwom wrote:
On September 20 2010 12:46 Lightwip wrote:
On September 20 2010 12:44 Womwomwom wrote:
On September 20 2010 12:28 kNyTTyM wrote:
whaaaaaaat..........
Progamer on top of his game retiring Wow this is mega huge.


You could argue he wasn't ontop of his game. Sure he beat Flash in a finals series but he has playing nowhere near the level he was in 08-09 proleague.

If he wasn't, he sure was close. You usually don't win starleagues when you're not at the top.


He pretty much got railroaded to the finals. He struggled to get out of the easiest group ever (Shine + go.go), beat the worst series player with shaky ZvZ (Zero), beat the infamous PvZ choker (Kal), and beat Flash through a really cool all in, Flash choosing to BBS, and Flash handing over the win because of 14CC.

He wasn't in his prime, definitely not. Him leaving at this time was a great idea, it shows that he knows the reality of the situation.



He was the only Zerg capable of stopping flash ZvT along with Jaedong in his 2010 dominance.

He went 5-2 in 2010 against Flash.


Meanwhile he hasn't done so hot against all of other TvZ players. Yes, Flash is the best terran but there are so many other good TvZ players he has to get through before he might even have a shot of winning the finals. We're talking about Leta, Light, and Sea.
What Zerg do you think right now is better than Effort except Jaedong? ZvT is Effort's weakest match up but he still pretty damn good at it and his ZvZ and ZvP are pretty amazing.


That's exactly my point. ZvT is his weakest matchup and with so many good TvZ players still around there is no point for him to stay and achieve nothing. No zerg is better than him but that's completely irrelevant when the last three three Starleagues have been dominated by the best zerg and the best terran.
So not being Flash or Jaedong means a player can't be on the top of his game? He isn't Flash or Jaedong, but Effort was still doing pretty damn good and though it is debatable I think he could be considered at the top of his game which is what the original poster to this quote train said.
eNyoron
Profile Joined September 2009
United States170 Posts
September 20 2010 04:04 GMT
#158
I'm quite surprised at how many people are downplaying Effort's success and BW skill. If Jaedong, who is absolutely monstrously amazingly good, wasn't around, Effort would be the undisputed best zerg player in the world. Right now, he's definitely the second best zerg player in the world. I mean there's zero and action, but zero has yet to prove himself in individual leagues, and action in the proleagues.

Effort may not be in the hotstreak of the 08-09 season, or even of half a year prior, but he's still in a dominate position in the BW scene. And it realllly sucks to see him leave.

Did the article mention anything about his retirement being linked to the retirement of coach Cho? Was it purely salary negotiations, did Effort consider going Free agent?

(Also, I wouldn't fully count Woo out of SC2 scene - he may just pop up a couple years from now. Or at least I can hope.)
0sm9sm8sm... the beginning of the end.
No_Roo
Profile Joined February 2010
United States905 Posts
September 20 2010 04:06 GMT
#159
Effort returning to his homeplanet.. We all knew this day would come.


JK, effort will be missed, one of my favorites...
(US) NoRoo.fighting
dukethegold
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
Canada5645 Posts
September 20 2010 04:07 GMT
#160
So what's next? Bisu retires too? Kespa disband? Everybody leave BW because everybody's sick of Flash v.s. Jaedong?
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