O shit I'm at the heart of that mass quoting.
If he's not at the top of his game then he is pretty damn close. The idea I was trying to get across was he is still playing at a damn high level and retiring unlike say NaDa who is moving to sc2 and hasn't hit a starleague final since 2006 shinhan 3.

oh wait shinhan 3 ended in early 2007

Pangolin

United States1035 Posts

September 20 2010 04:08 GMT

#162

This is the end for CJ. Good luck in your future endeavors Effort.

Lexvink

Canada310 Posts

September 20 2010 04:09 GMT

#163

Sad to see Effort go, liked him a lot when he beat Flash in the OSL. I am hoping Effort will go to SC2 after/during his studies. Oh Kim Jung Woo... your the mister mister that beat Flash that day...

p4NDemik

United States13896 Posts

September 20 2010 04:09 GMT

#164

ㅜ_ㅜ

Sigh.

hypercube

Hungary2735 Posts

September 20 2010 04:09 GMT

#165

He probably asked for an S-class salary, got turned down, and figured if he can't get a big salary after winning a starleague he never will. Maybe if free agency worked differently he would have gone to another team, although I doubt it with all his friends being at CJ and all.

Lebesgue

4542 Posts

September 20 2010 04:10 GMT

#166

Obviously Effort is a top Zerg. I mean he was in ro16 in the last OSL and ro8 in MSL. That's more then respectable. He also ended 4th in WCG Korea.

It really sucks that one of the currently best players leaves BW...

AleC

332 Posts

September 20 2010 04:10 GMT

#167

I hated effort for beating flash at the OSL finals....
but not this

Bwenjarin Raffrack

United States322 Posts

September 20 2010 04:10 GMT

#168

And now this? My heart can't take any more news. T_T

konadora

Singapore66364 Posts

September 20 2010 04:10 GMT

#169

lol haha

vectorix108

United States4633 Posts

September 20 2010 04:10 GMT

#170

CJ is still my favorite team! no matter what. this is so sad

Womwomwom

5930 Posts

September 20 2010 04:11 GMT

#171

On September 20 2010 13:03 Shatter wrote:

Show nested quote +

On September 20 2010 13:01 Womwomwom wrote:

On September 20 2010 12:59 Shatter wrote:

On September 20 2010 12:57 Womwomwom wrote:

On September 20 2010 12:53 IntoTheWow wrote:

On September 20 2010 12:49 Womwomwom wrote:

On September 20 2010 12:46 Lightwip wrote:

On September 20 2010 12:44 Womwomwom wrote:

On September 20 2010 12:28 kNyTTyM wrote:
whaaaaaaat..........
Progamer on top of his game retiring Wow this is mega huge.

You could argue he wasn't ontop of his game. Sure he beat Flash in a finals series but he has playing nowhere near the level he was in 08-09 proleague.

If he wasn't, he sure was close. You usually don't win starleagues when you're not at the top.

He pretty much got railroaded to the finals. He struggled to get out of the easiest group ever (Shine + go.go), beat the worst series player with shaky ZvZ (Zero), beat the infamous PvZ choker (Kal), and beat Flash through a really cool all in, Flash choosing to BBS, and Flash handing over the win because of 14CC.

He wasn't in his prime, definitely not. Him leaving at this time was a great idea, it shows that he knows the reality of the situation.

He was the only Zerg capable of stopping flash ZvT along with Jaedong in his 2010 dominance.

He went 5-2 in 2010 against Flash.

Meanwhile he hasn't done so hot against all of other TvZ players. Yes, Flash is the best terran but there are so many other good TvZ players he has to get through before he might even have a shot of winning the finals. We're talking about Leta, Light, and Sea.

What Zerg do you think right now is better than Effort except Jaedong? ZvT is Effort's weakest match up but he still pretty damn good at it and his ZvZ and ZvP are pretty amazing.

That's exactly my point. ZvT is his weakest matchup and with so many good TvZ players still around there is no point for him to stay and achieve nothing. No zerg is better than him but that's completely irrelevant when the last three three Starleagues have been dominated by the best zerg and the best terran.

So not being Flash or Jaedong means a player can't be on the top of his game? He isn't Flash or Jaedong, but Effort was still doing pretty damn good and though it is debatable I think he could be considered at the top of his game which is what the original poster to this quote train said.

I definitely don't think he's on top of his game and I think he knows it - he's playing nowhere near the level he was in 08-09 Proleague where he just destroyed everyone. Beating Flash is a huge thing but let's be honest here everything besides his record against Flash is just good and not fantastic. For most of the year he's been slumping or just playing in such a uninspiring way, in fact the only time he's played extremely impressively is against Flash and no one else.

I seriously think its a dead end for him and he's very unlikely to reach a finals series again. Flash is pretty smart and he learns from his mistakes extremely quickly, he can't really compete against Jaedong in ZvZ, and he even drops games against decent PvZ players and struggles greatly against good TvZ players (his ZvT was beastly a year ago if you can't remember). If what he says is true (salary problems), then its fairly clear why he left Brood War as he hasn't really got a future in it and he's still young enough to pursue something more useful like school.

We can agree to disagree then I guess.

JohannesH

Finland1364 Posts

September 20 2010 04:12 GMT

#172

When there was this rumour translation posted, with team A, plaers B/C, etc etc, would CJ fit to that description then

Ares[Effort]

DEMACIA6550 Posts

September 20 2010 04:12 GMT

#173

On September 20 2010 13:10 konadora wrote:
lol haha

I see your not sad

man im so sad

Lightwip

United States5497 Posts

September 20 2010 04:12 GMT

#174

On September 20 2010 13:07 dukethegold wrote:
So what's next? Bisu retires too? Kespa disband? Everybody leave BW because everybody's sick of Flash v.s. Jaedong?

Don't even start.
If Bisu retires or SKT disbands I'm going to cry and probably leave BW.

Lebesgue

4542 Posts

September 20 2010 04:13 GMT

#175

On September 20 2010 13:10 konadora wrote:
lol haha

Why so happy?

sung_moon

United States10110 Posts

September 20 2010 04:15 GMT

#176

man not surprised tbh. he got his one SL so its all good i guess
<- not an effort fan

aupstar

Australia912 Posts

September 20 2010 04:15 GMT

#177

Do any of you noobs read?

It says he's NOT going to sc2.

He's gonna study and make a man of himself.

Good for you effort!

Good luck in the future..

Thanks for bringing such great games..

User was warned for this post

konadora

Singapore66364 Posts

September 20 2010 04:16 GMT

#178

i dunno i just find it hilarious that he wins an OSL then decides to retire so quickly afterwards

moopie

12605 Posts

September 20 2010 04:16 GMT

#179

On September 20 2010 13:15 aupstar wrote:
Do any of you noobs read?

It says he's NOT going to sc2.

He's gonna study and make a man of himself.

Do any of you noobs read? you're not the first to try and point it out... look what happened to the last guy who did.

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