Head Coach Ha of MBC team has voluntarily resigned from his position. This has been confirmed from the MBCGame Team as of September 17th.
MBCGame originally intended to have Coach Ha manage the team until the 10-11' Season, but ultimately respected Coach Ha's decision to resign from his position.
In replacement of the head coach position, MBCGame has chosen MuMyung to lead the team.
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MBCGame has successfuly renewed the contract with everyone else on the MBCGame team (i.e. everyone except Iron)
so if all BW players and coaches switch to SC2, i guess SC2 players will switch to BW since they cannot compete with these pros after a few training sessions.. hmmm...
On September 17 2010 16:33 OpticalShot wrote: I don't know why coaches are doing this. Shouldn't they be trying to hold BW together, not accelerate the disintegration?
The BW Goose has stopped laying the golden eggs and everyone is realizing where fresh new golden eggs are being produced. Sucks for BW but, everyone knew it was only a matter of time once SC2 came out. Unless you are at the top there is no reason to stick with BW when there is so much uncertainty around it.
Oh god the news of e-stro was already bad enough, and then a bit later I see this.
At first I was thinking (after cj coach resigning etc): "okay no biggie, it's sad but these things happen from time to time in an enviroment like this".
But it's starting to get really sad the amount of bad new for the korean sc scene
In the beginning I thought that we would have osl/msl/pl for atleast 2-3years more before it slowly started falling apart, but with all this news coming in I would find it surprising if we get more then 1 season of those 3 before they (or one of them) stops.
This has probably been mentioned in threads before, I can't imagine that it hasn't. But if you've read TL at all over the past 4 (and probably more, because I didn't even know about it) years, then you will have seen so many BW IS DYING OH NOEZ threads.
People have literally thought this every year, because it's an old game. This is business as usual. People in Korea aren't just going to stop playing BW. Quit crying doomsday.
Yeah it might reduce slowly, but if you like BW, play it, and watch it.
Although I like BW A LOT, I am happy about this destructive process because I believe that through this process SC2 will gain more momentum. If they simply resign and won't continue to work in SC2, that would be sad.
MBCGame has successfuly renewed the contract with everyone else on the MBCGame team (i.e. everyone except Iron)
^ People are ignoring this. Every player of any significance to the team has had their contracts renewed. (and please don't try to argue that Iron was significant to the team).
MBC has had coaching problems ever since Coach Ha first left in 2007/08. The head coach position has changed every season since. This is nothing new. At the very most he might have stayed one more season only.
On September 17 2010 17:19 Schnake wrote: Although I like BW A LOT, I am happy about this destructive process because I believe that through this process SC2 will gain more momentum. If they simply resign and won't continue to work in SC2, that would be sad.
Fuck man, lots of big changes inc with coaches resigning, players retiring, teams being put up for sale/disbanded, etc. Not to mention the uncertainty of IF there will even be a pro league or future OSLs and MSLs. Let's see how everything turns out.
On September 17 2010 17:19 Schnake wrote: Although I like BW A LOT, I am happy about this destructive process because I believe that through this process SC2 will gain more momentum. If they simply resign and won't continue to work in SC2, that would be sad.
You don't like BW at all if you want it to die.
This. And how much more god damn momentum does SC2 need? It's much better off than any game ever was at this stage of it's life cycle. All the while BW is slowly fading into obscurity.
On September 17 2010 17:16 Ancestral wrote: This has probably been mentioned in threads before, I can't imagine that it hasn't. But if you've read TL at all over the past 4 (and probably more, because I didn't even know about it) years, then you will have seen so many BW IS DYING OH NOEZ threads.
People have literally thought this every year, because it's an old game. This is business as usual. People in Korea aren't just going to stop playing BW. Quit crying doomsday.
Yeah it might reduce slowly, but if you like BW, play it, and watch it.
Those other times though didn't have a long awaited sequal to the very same game as a catalyst. I really do hope you are right though. I wasn't around for those other times that BW was 'dying' and ended up being fine.
On September 17 2010 16:33 OpticalShot wrote: I don't know why coaches are doing this. Shouldn't they be trying to hold BW together, not accelerate the disintegration?
The BW Goose has stopped laying the golden eggs and everyone is realizing where fresh new golden eggs are being produced. Sucks for BW but, everyone knew it was only a matter of time once SC2 came out. Unless you are at the top there is no reason to stick with BW when there is so much uncertainty around it.
Yes there is so much uncertainty around the most proven and consistent esport in the world, lets all switch to a completely new and untested game instead!
Just because a few washed-up players who are no longer competitive switch to SC2 and a few coaches retire, everybody now cries "death of BW?" This game isn't dying unless Greedtech actually manages to kill off PL. We just had OSL in CHINA for god's sake.
On September 17 2010 17:38 Metalwing wrote: Nooooooooo !!! Not Papa Bear !!! At least I want tim to go to TSL, where his fellow people, Coach Lee and Gas are.
O.O Gas is in TSL? Well actually he wasn't that good...
But still, all these news make me fear for the very existance of the new kespa season...
This is pretty sad. Hoping it's not for sc2. I had hoped that sc2 and bw could coexist despite the mutual hate from both communities. Apparently it can't happen, and BW is suffering extremely heavily from the release of sc2. Every day I'm hoping to see the next OSL (+sponsor) announced in the BW section (even though it's currently quite early).
MBC is a cool team in many ways and I feel coach Ha + Lee really brought something to the team. The light/sea combo is extremely strong, and if it weren't for Flash both would be contenders for the top terran spot.
Thank god MBC was able to at least win a Proleague. Fucking first we lost Bisu and then July. And now both the head and assistant coach. Shit might as well merge with SKT and be done with it.
On September 17 2010 16:33 OpticalShot wrote: I don't know why coaches are doing this. Shouldn't they be trying to hold BW together, not accelerate the disintegration?
The BW Goose has stopped laying the golden eggs and everyone is realizing where fresh new golden eggs are being produced. Sucks for BW but, everyone knew it was only a matter of time once SC2 came out. Unless you are at the top there is no reason to stick with BW when there is so much uncertainty around it.
It has nothing to do with golden eggs, it has more to do with KeSPA being retards
if KeSPA had a LITTLE bit of creativity, none of this would have happened. Of course, if Gretech had a little bit of tact, none of this would have happened either.
BW falling apart everywhere you look. I hate to say it, but I'm kinda hoping everyone just jumps ship for SC2 now... Having both run side-by-side just doesn't seem like it's very appealing.
If you are worried about the Korean BW scene falling apart, this isn't such a big deal. eSTRO being sold or disbanded, on the other hand, is: if sponsors aren't interested in the game anymore and are letting players and coaches go en masse, then that's a pretty rapid disintegration. In this case, MBC will still have a coach, still has all of its relevant players (sorry Iron, but you know it's true), still has a sponsor, and is very much still in the game.
Now, if you're worried about MBC's performance in the upcoming season because their new coach will be MuMyung... then that's a more reasonable worry :p
I'm not saying BW is not dying... it's hard to know either way, right now. But an odd coach resigning here and there will definitely not kill the BW scene if there are new coaches ready to replace them, and both the players and the sponsors are still committed.
If you hadn't noticed, BW was slowly dying before SC2 came along anyways. I really don't understand how you can put SC2 to blame when not a single player that gets game time has made the change.
Coach Cho... and now coach Ha. My two favorite coaches ffs! He just made such a good job this season making Sea and Light own again. I remember how much they sucked without him. God, this must be devastating for all MBC fans.
This is terrible news. The death of BW is happening and it's not because of a legitimate reason such as lack of entertainment, no one watching, little competition... it's because Blizzard and Gretech are fucking greedy.
This guy was an excellent coach and enjoyable to watch. Great character as well from all the times I saw him on hyungjoon. MBC totally got revitalized this last season when he came back and will be sorely missed.
Also mumyung completely shits on my plans for FPL next season. MBC was the backbone of my top 50 FPL finish and was planning to follow the same route but now I dunno :<.
On September 17 2010 16:33 OpticalShot wrote: I don't know why coaches are doing this. Shouldn't they be trying to hold BW together, not accelerate the disintegration?
The BW Goose has stopped laying the golden eggs and everyone is realizing where fresh new golden eggs are being produced. Sucks for BW but, everyone knew it was only a matter of time once SC2 came out. Unless you are at the top there is no reason to stick with BW when there is so much uncertainty around it.
First and foremost, I myself is not at the top of but the bottom of the BW, and I like it , I hate sc2, for reansons that are too simple to mention. Yes, MBC's coach had retired. The question is that--is he join the sc2? There is, actually, a good signal to the bw leagues. If there is no man to retrie, it is a bad circulation for bw profession because new one could not find a position to get. New born things are the hope, but sc2 is not the new, it is void, a vain, the emperor's new clothes.
Well, so much for MBC then. Without coach Ha there is no way that they'll get a playoff spot, and with Mumyung they'll even have to fear for getting in last place. (Mumyung was the zerg coach that formed the SKT zerg failure line. After he was replaced, all the zergs on SKT suddenly started to win games.)
Did I miss something huge here? Where the hell is everyone getting that these people who are "retiring" somehow have any interest in the SC2 scene? Unless it says that somewhere, sounds like a bunch of bullshit assumptions.
On September 18 2010 00:49 Diminotoor wrote: Did I miss something huge here? Where the hell is everyone getting that these people who are "retiring" somehow have any interest in the SC2 scene? Unless it says that somewhere, sounds like a bunch of bullshit assumptions.
qft, shut the hell up with BW is dying crap already
On September 18 2010 00:49 Diminotoor wrote: Did I miss something huge here? Where the hell is everyone getting that these people who are "retiring" somehow have any interest in the SC2 scene? Unless it says that somewhere, sounds like a bunch of bullshit assumptions.
qft, shut the hell up with BW is dying crap already
Nobody wants BW to die. I certainly don't.
But three coaches leaving all at once plus what's happening with Estro and Woongjin? It seems like more than a coincidence that all of this is going down so soon after Gretech's ultimatum. We'll see anyway. Hopefully not of course.
On September 17 2010 16:33 OpticalShot wrote: I don't know why coaches are doing this. Shouldn't they be trying to hold BW together, not accelerate the disintegration?
The BW Goose has stopped laying the golden eggs and everyone is realizing where fresh new golden eggs are being produced. Sucks for BW but, everyone knew it was only a matter of time once SC2 came out. Unless you are at the top there is no reason to stick with BW when there is so much uncertainty around it.
Yes there is so much uncertainty around the most proven and consistent esport in the world, lets all switch to a completely new and untested game instead!
Just because a few washed-up players who are no longer competitive switch to SC2 and a few coaches retire, everybody now cries "death of BW?" This game isn't dying unless Greedtech actually manages to kill off PL. We just had OSL in CHINA for god's sake.
Why do people say this? It might be accurate if one said asia or korea. Madden, Halo, and CS all beat bw hands down for being proven and consistent esports in the WORLD.
On September 18 2010 00:49 Diminotoor wrote: Did I miss something huge here? Where the hell is everyone getting that these people who are "retiring" somehow have any interest in the SC2 scene? Unless it says that somewhere, sounds like a bunch of bullshit assumptions.
qft, shut the hell up with BW is dying crap already
Nobody wants BW to die. I certainly don't.
But three coaches leaving all at once plus what's happening with Estro and Woongjin? It seems like more than a coincidence that all of this is going down so soon after Gretech's ultimatum. We'll see anyway. Hopefully not of course.
Oz coach needed to be replaced anyways. I welcome the coach that started his own progaming team for SC2 because asia really needed to hop on the boat and at least participate. This eStrO had been having problems before and the whole team is gone for right now. Its up to all of them what will happen next. Woongjin's leavers all gave their reasons and none of them involve SC2. They just are moving on with their lives like normal people do. Gretech's Ultimatum has been blatantly rejected by the korean community as anyone who lives here or follows news at all would (and should) know. Proleague 10-11' are going to go on as planned regardless. Change happens. I'm sure SC2 will start having a lot of changes happening as the first year goes by too. I won't be in there preaching the death of SC2 because I want both to exist as separate communities under the eSport blanket. Any respectable person will do the same.
On September 17 2010 16:33 OpticalShot wrote: I don't know why coaches are doing this. Shouldn't they be trying to hold BW together, not accelerate the disintegration?
The BW Goose has stopped laying the golden eggs and everyone is realizing where fresh new golden eggs are being produced. Sucks for BW but, everyone knew it was only a matter of time once SC2 came out. Unless you are at the top there is no reason to stick with BW when there is so much uncertainty around it.
Yes there is so much uncertainty around the most proven and consistent esport in the world, lets all switch to a completely new and untested game instead!
Just because a few washed-up players who are no longer competitive switch to SC2 and a few coaches retire, everybody now cries "death of BW?" This game isn't dying unless Greedtech actually manages to kill off PL. We just had OSL in CHINA for god's sake.
Why do people say this? It might be accurate if one said asia or korea. Madden, Halo, and CS all beat bw hands down for being proven and consistent esports in the WORLD.
I can't tell if you're joking. BW esport scene has been around longer and is way further established with major corporations behind them compared to any of the games you listed. You might be right saying those are better outside of Korea, but last time I checked Korea is part of this world as well. Comparatively theres no argument as to which was more successful.
On September 17 2010 16:33 OpticalShot wrote: I don't know why coaches are doing this. Shouldn't they be trying to hold BW together, not accelerate the disintegration?
The BW Goose has stopped laying the golden eggs and everyone is realizing where fresh new golden eggs are being produced. Sucks for BW but, everyone knew it was only a matter of time once SC2 came out. Unless you are at the top there is no reason to stick with BW when there is so much uncertainty around it.
Yes there is so much uncertainty around the most proven and consistent esport in the world, lets all switch to a completely new and untested game instead!
Just because a few washed-up players who are no longer competitive switch to SC2 and a few coaches retire, everybody now cries "death of BW?" This game isn't dying unless Greedtech actually manages to kill off PL. We just had OSL in CHINA for god's sake.
Why do people say this? It might be accurate if one said asia or korea. Madden, Halo, and CS all beat bw hands down for being proven and consistent esports in the WORLD.
What? CS is the only one of the 3 you mentioned that is remotely close to BW in terms of consistency. MLG+Halo is still a baby compared to BW and Madden, are you kidding me? Regardless of BW's impact in the US and Europe MLG while being the current esports leader in the states is nothing compared what Korea or even China have and you forget up until the release of sc2 beta the BW non-Korean scene was still pretty strong, it was smaller than it used to be but there were still a large amount of sizable online tourneys and a couple decent offline ones.
I'll give you credit for MLG in terms of money in it's short life but long term there has been a lot of money dumped into BW world wide.
I would taken you more seriously if you said CS, Quake, or W3 but you basically just proved you have no idea what you're talking about when you brought up Madden and Halo.
Here's a tip, go and read up at the early years (2000 to 2003), might give you a general idea of how things have been in the non-Korean foreign scene. 5 Years ago the scene (foreign and Korean) was vastly different compared to it is now.
edit: Seriously, I'm laughing hard here that you actually brought up Madden. I'm roflmaoing in rl here srsly.
On September 17 2010 17:19 Schnake wrote: Although I like BW A LOT, I am happy about this destructive process because I believe that through this process SC2 will gain more momentum. If they simply resign and won't continue to work in SC2, that would be sad.
Why would anyone say this?
On September 18 2010 01:29 ToeJam wrote: I bet the coaches are just sick of dealing with KeSPA bs :/
As much as I don't like KeSPA's methods, it isn't KeSPA who caused this. I would argue that it is the Blizzard/Gretech situation that caused this.
1. Papa Bear! Nuuuu. TT He was able to take MBC to the playoffs, so some credit is due there =\
2. wait...wasn't MuMyung known for being terribad? If he's coaching, I certainly hope that his coaching abilities are better than his game-playing abilities. o_O
I dare someone to explain how it makes any sense, aside from the sensationalist garbage everybody is eating up from fomos, that Blizzard/Gretech are in any way responsible for these coaches leaving. As other's have pointed out, this dliuge of information happened because Fomos decided to withhold it so that they could release it all at once. There's a reason for that, and you all should know the answer/
Everyone is overreacting to this nonsense like they just broke up with their first girlfriend. It's silly, and what's more, it's extremely ignorant. In the long run, the fact we keep boiling down to a game of Flash vs. Jaedong every time is causing more problems than the legal problems currently happening.
The fact that SC2 exists now will in the end be a boon for Broodwar because it will offer more people a chance to become progamers. If I'm wrong in 3 years (it takes time) or Gretech/Blizzard does eventually kill the proleague, then may the mods permaban me from this site forever.
Bah. Seems all the good news from Starcraft 2 is met with bad news from Brood War. Such is the way of life I suppose, the old must make way for the new.
Hope Coach Ha forms another team, he seemed to enjoy being around the players (when he wasn't working haha).
I don't understand why anyone would keep competing in SC1 considering the current growth of SC2. The difference of money to be earned in tournaments and the fact that all the big SC1 leagues now are considered illegal and will end up in court to be shutdown by the creators of SC1 and Gretech who has the broadcasting rights to SC1.
Guess Kespa wants to make as much money as possible before it all goes to hell.
On September 19 2010 04:28 Integra wrote: I don't understand why anyone would keep competing in SC1 considering the current growth of SC2. The difference of money to be earned in tournaments and the fact that all the big SC1 leagues now are considered illegal and will end up in court to be shutdown by the creators of SC1 and Gretech who has the broadcasting rights to SC1.
Guess Kespa wants to make as much money as possible before it all goes to hell.
No one knows if SC1 is gonna go to hell or if SC1 scene will die. NO ONE. And some SC1 players still make a large 6 figure salaries and even get endorsement deals. Also, when they retire, they can either work for the company they played with, become a commentator, or become a coach. Can SC2 do that? I didn't think so
at this rate, all the coaches will resign, there will be only 1 starleague, and all the players will leave too because they all can't compete with jaedong or flash
ultimately Korean BW scene will just be flash vs jaedong every game lol.
JvF finals forever...
I joke, but I am extremely sad to see this happening... I hope BW can hang on even if its just by a thread, so it can grow back up again (I hope...)
On September 20 2010 00:11 sc1saus wrote: SCII can't really replace BW as e-sport imo. It's just not exciting to watch at all. If BW dies, e-sport is dead
That will change once good players get into SC2. Fingers crossed for Boxer's re-ascension...
I am still very very doubtful about MBC's decision to employ Mumyung. Which part of that guy's resume make him look like a good head coach?
It's like some sort of one side trade going on here. All the good stuff eventually move from MBC to SKT, while the undesirable elements move from SKT to MBC. TheZerg was promising when he moved from MBC to SKT, and then he died there. Don't try to tell me that the coach staff has nothing to do with it.
In fact, Hyuk would be bonjwa by now if it wasn't for bad coaching.
On September 19 2010 04:28 Integra wrote: I don't understand why anyone would keep competing in SC1 considering the current growth of SC2. The difference of money to be earned in tournaments and the fact that all the big SC1 leagues now are considered illegal and will end up in court to be shutdown by the creators of SC1 and Gretech who has the broadcasting rights to SC1.
Guess Kespa wants to make as much money as possible before it all goes to hell.
No one knows if SC1 is gonna go to hell or if SC1 scene will die. NO ONE. And some SC1 players still make a large 6 figure salaries and even get endorsement deals. Also, when they retire, they can either work for the company they played with, become a commentator, or become a coach. Can SC2 do that? I didn't think so
Quotes like these make want to facepalm.
SC2 CAME OUT 2 MONTHS AGO.
Jeez, they're just starting tournaments and getting into league play eventually.
SCBW didn't just explode on the scene either if you recall. It took time. So, I'm sorry you're not open minded to both games as some of us are. Why must the success of one game ultimately crush the other? BW and SC2 are both great in their own ways.
On September 17 2010 16:24 SneakPeek wrote: so if all BW players and coaches switch to SC2, i guess SC2 players will switch to BW since they cannot compete with these pros after a few training sessions.. hmmm...
EXACTLY. the main reason people are playing sc2 is because foreign pros and communities have no hope becoming good in bw. they know bw is a better game, they've never denied it, but they play it as a chance to be good themselves. but now korea has took some talented but inconsistent pro players and made star tale, sc2 progaming team with boxer nada July effort and more. boxer and nada for creativity, a young powerhouse effort for dexterity insurance in execution of builds. the foreigners will once again have no hope, and they will think "might as well be play the better game since we can't touch S rank players in either game"
do not hate boxer, nada, July, or effort for joining the tainted scene . they are carrying out the mission for bw, killing sc2. then once again broodwar will reign supreme, the best game ever created CANNOT BE DENIED. BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
On September 17 2010 16:24 SneakPeek wrote: so if all BW players and coaches switch to SC2, i guess SC2 players will switch to BW since they cannot compete with these pros after a few training sessions.. hmmm...
EXACTLY. the main reason people are playing sc2 is because foreign pros and communities have no hope becoming good in bw. they know bw is a better game, they've never denied it, but they play it as a chance to be good themselves. but now korea has took some talented but inconsistent pro players and made star tale, sc2 progaming team with boxer nada July effort and more. boxer and nada for creativity, a young powerhouse effort for dexterity insurance in execution of builds. the foreigners will once again have no hope, and they will think "might as well be play the better game since we can't touch S rank players in either game"
do not hate boxer, nada, July, or effort for joining the tainted scene . they are carrying out the mission for bw, killing sc2. then once again broodwar will reign supreme, the best game ever created CANNOT BE DENIED. BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
Looking forward to cheer on ex-BW progamers to crush them puny little foreigners.
On September 23 2010 02:52 cokencheese wrote: I didn't know Effort was gonna switch over to SC2.
He isn't. He said in his retirement interview that he was pursuing non-esports stuff.
Effort made a statement, saying that "It's not a sudden decision. I've wanted to challenge myself to a different road for a while now", and said that he'd be taking a break while he thinks about what he wants to do with the rest of his life.
CJ's Manager Kim Dong Woo said that "Effort has been struggling with this for a while now", and said that "He has made this decision to take himself up for a new challenge". He revealed that Effort, after winning a Starleague, decided that he has achieved the goal he wanted to do as a progamer and made his decision because he wanted to try something new. The manager however said that the new challenge will not be Starcraft 2. "It's not a decision he has made to play a different game", commenting that "He retired because he thought that he wouldn't be able to try anything else when he gets older. He'll probably start by catching up on his studying"
Read, people. READ. >< So many people starting up the "Effort left for SC2" thing and it's not the case (yet).
Will gladly admit I'm wrong if he comes back on his word and goes into SC2, but for now, Effort is NOT playing SC2 pro....yet.
EPT![[image loading]](http://www.fomos.kr/board/issue/1284704326_1.jpg)
MuMyung to lead the team. 
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