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Shizuru~
Malaysia1676 Posts
if it was the problem of broadcasting time, since there is 2 different day of prime time telecast, why don't each take a day then everyone will be happy then? SC1 on monday and SC2 on tuesday, whichever that proves to be more popular keeps the primetime broadcast? i don take sides in this situation, in fact i hate both of them for not willing to compromise to get an agreement going, the one that will get hurt the most in the end is us the fans and them pro-gamers... | ||
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aru
183 Posts
On September 08 2010 03:42 Daigomi wrote: I think it's impossible to pass judgement on what is happening during these negotiations without actually being there. Trying to decide who the wrongdoer is based on snippets of biased information from both sides is ridiculous. It comes down to a business deal which needed to be made, and both parties believing that they did not need to budge. [stuff] EDIT: Also, just to remind everyone, KeSPA itself sold (or tried to sell) the broadcasting rights to SC back in 2006-2007 somewhere. I can't remember exactly what happened though, but it does seem slightly hypocritical for them to try to sell the rights when they believe they own it, before rejecting the existence of such rights now that Blizzard is claiming it. I'm pretty sure you don't know what the Gretech/Blizzard terms were either, so maybe you shouldn't pass judgment on them like you suggest other people do! It wasn't broadcasting rights to "SC". It was broadcasting rights to proleague, the tournament they run. Along with this, because they had all the players, OGN/MBC couldn't run their leagues either due to a boycott. Unsure of what the final terms were, but it was eventually settled when the government stepped in. | ||
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zenMaster
Canada761 Posts
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maybenexttime
Poland5892 Posts
On September 08 2010 04:18 teamsolid wrote: Pretty much this is what I got from the summary, if you take a step back and look at what's really going on. KeSPA needs to make SOME kind of concession, they can't just have it all when they refused to buy the IP rights from Blizzard in the first place. Again, they did not refuse to buy the rights. They refused to accept all the other ridiculous terms. In their negotiations with Gretech they actually said they want to reimburse them with money. Gretech didn't actually want money, they wanted ProLeague out of the picture because they doubt GSL will be able to compete. Also afaik the esports scene got "Blizzard's blessing" in the sense that Blizzard did not interfere in any way when the very publisher of StarCraft in Korea (HanbitSoft) was building the whole esports scene together with other companies. On September 08 2010 04:19 Zato-1 wrote: While I'm grateful for the entertainment the Korean BW Pro-scene has given me, this doesn't give them a free license to steal from Blizzard. Blizzard was alright with the BW pro-scene for many years, but then KeSPA started behaving as a rabid dog and biting the hand that fed it, inconditionally opposing any e-sports initiative parallel to its own, including the GOM TV Intel Classic tournaments and Starcraft 2. Blizzard decides such hostility is unwarranted, takes off the kiddy gloves, and starts playing hardball; the rest is history. I want KeSPA to lose, and hopefully to lose badly, if only because they behave like a nearsighted pitbull with rabies; they are not fighting for the preservation and advancement of e-sports, they are fighting for the preservation of their own little fiefdom and business model. In trying to bite the head off the competition, they've bitten more than they can chew. I have nothing against BW and I wish it didn't have to end this way, but the retarded schoolground bully that is KeSPA doesn't realize it's fighting a grown man with an army of lawyers. You got your facts wrong. First Blizzard made idiotic demands (the ownership/control of EVERYTHING StarCraft related, including every programme on TV and the teams KeSPA corporations fork millions of dollars a year to sustain) and their negotiations went down the shitter. Then they wanted to establish a beacon in Korea, so they sponsored GSL S3. Since Blizzard and KeSPA were at odds, KeSPA made it clear that no league not sanctioned by them will get the support from proteams, especially if it teams up with Blizzard, which wants to take control of the whole scene (it's ridiculous how Gretech think that all progamers are somehow OBLIGED to participate in their tournaments just because they offer a prize...). | ||
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foeffa
Belgium2115 Posts
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Tazza
Korea (South)1678 Posts
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mmdmmd
722 Posts
On September 08 2010 04:42 foeffa wrote: Damn, and to think I once regarded KeSPA as the evil organization. -,- You should still do! Unless this came out as a draw, whoever emerge victorious will become more powerful/evil than before. | ||
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Biff The Understudy
France8216 Posts
On September 08 2010 04:42 foeffa wrote: Damn, and to think I once regarded KeSPA as the evil organization. -,- The bigger is always the worst. When you get Kespa vs players, obviously you hate kespa. When you get Kespa against Blizzard, you hate Blizzard. The one who has more power abuses the most his power. Logical. | ||
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sung_moon
United States10110 Posts
o well im on team "Anti-blizzard" | ||
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hydraden
United States719 Posts
On September 08 2010 03:11 darmousseh wrote: Just as FIFA owned the rights to streaming football during the world cup, blizzard owns the rights to streaming starcraft. Ha, you play the card right in our hands. FIFA is a non-profit organization, it organize and rule the world cup. Just like what KeSPA has been doing for many years. Or you do not even know what KeSPA is? If you want to compare, Blizzard is the one who invented soccer. KeSPA is the one who made it popular, like FIFA. | ||
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overt
United States9006 Posts
I have full confidence though that the courts will side with KeSPA as they'll likely claim both fair use and the fact that they've been doing this for a decade without Blizzard seeming to care at all. At least, I hope they side with KeSPA because if not the judge who makes that decision is gonna get so much hate mail. >:l | ||
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SevenAteNine
126 Posts
Gretech dosnt want any money from MBC/OGN/KeSPA they just want two primetime tv slots on monday and tuesday that would have gone to proleague KeSPA could have easily said OK and just taken a timeslot before or after but Kespa decided no Gretech then requested compensation for allowing the proleague to take place and directly compete with the GSL and KeSPA decided no fuck you Gretech seeing that KeSPA isnt willing to budge decided that they did not wait to sign off on the proleague Ontop of all that, after this KeSPA threatened to pull all their players from the MSL unless they drop the GSL from airing on OGN (it wasnt said in this artical but it happened) if they all seems to be true its fairly clear to me that KeSPA is completely unwilling to budge here and be damned whoever attempts to fuck with KeSPA | ||
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maybenexttime
Poland5892 Posts
Does anyone know if that was the case? SevenAteNine, Gretech did NOT ask for money. When KeSPA asked how much they want, Gretech said that they do not want money but rather ProLeague out of the picture. | ||
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SevenAteNine
126 Posts
On September 08 2010 05:42 maybenexttime wrote: Afaik Gretech wanted OGN (not MBC) to air GSL in primetime AND demanded compensation (money) for broadcasting GSL. If that's the case, then that's insane. Does anyone know if that was the case? SevenAteNine, Gretech did NOT ask for money. When KeSPA asked how much they want, Gretech said that they do not want money but rather ProLeague out of the picture. You are only guessing thats what Gretech wanted when in fact that really was just the end result. what they really wanted was the time slots from what i read in this artical. Kespa said no so Gretech decided not to sign off on proleague. "GSL was the center of the problem, because starting with October, the schedules would conflict with the Proleague. GSL takes place from Monday to Friday, and Proleague goes from Saturday to Wednesday -- Monday and Tuesday's prime time slots became the main cause of the problem." they are fighting over time slots clearly from the above sentence. when it was declined Gretech asked for money. | ||
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Redmark
Canada2129 Posts
People need to calm the fuck down. Going off on an emotional diatribe makes you worse than all of the parties involved here; at least they have logical reasons for doing what they do, and don't just spew hatred. | ||
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hydraden
United States719 Posts
It is so weird that so many people believed that Blizzard has the legal rights here. Who told you so, any clause in law specifically? If so, please cite it. And did Blizzard write this in the agreement when they sell every copy of BW? And any other precedent on court similar to this situation? If Gretech wants to pay tons of money for the legal rights which turns out to be nothing. That's not KeSPA's problem. KeSPA is no charity to clean up Gretech's mess. | ||
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mmdmmd
722 Posts
On September 08 2010 05:48 SevenAteNine wrote: You are only guessing thats what Gretech wanted when in fact that really was just the end result. Why would you think his opinion is a guess while yours is a fact? | ||
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Vedic
United States582 Posts
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infinity2k9
United Kingdom2397 Posts
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SevenAteNine
126 Posts
On September 08 2010 05:56 mmdmmd wrote: Why would you think his opinion is a guess while yours is a fact? i am going by the timeline listed in the OP's post - "Within this process, their demands regarding GSL and moving Proleague's schedule was enough to create a problem" taken directly from the OP, they were only trying to MOVE the schedule but KeSPA didnt want this to happen | ||
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