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SmoKim
Profile Joined March 2010
Denmark10305 Posts
August 25 2010 10:26 GMT
#101
On August 23 2010 02:28 [Azn]Nada wrote:
you dumbasses, jaedong isnt practicing with people like (T)Bee and (T)Sexy. He's actually sending a message: JAEDONG BE SEXYYYYYYY


hahahaha, well played
"LOL I have 202 supply right now (3 minutes later)..."LOL NOW I HAVE 220 SUPPLY SUP?!?!?" - Mondragon
Elroi
Profile Joined August 2009
Sweden5609 Posts
August 25 2010 11:06 GMT
#102
On August 22 2010 17:11 Creationism wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 22 2010 13:06 shurgen wrote:
On August 22 2010 12:49 Creationism wrote:
On August 22 2010 12:19 SubtleArt wrote:
On August 22 2010 11:20 swanized wrote:
On August 22 2010 10:48 SubtleArt wrote:
On August 22 2010 09:58 alypse wrote:
On August 22 2010 09:23 moopie wrote:
On August 22 2010 08:38 SubtleArt wrote:
On August 22 2010 07:59 Creationism wrote:
[quote]
Dont even talk about Power Outage MSL... And your argument makes no sense. Progamers have constantly said the distance between each of them is paper thin, and when you have two of the best clash, you expect it to go 50/50. Saying it doesn't prove anything except "preparation" is completely ignoring the fact that it is all based on preparation. Half of the "skills" you talk about is preparation.
Flash's breakout OSL 3-0 vs Stork was a perfect example of preparation, and it showed just how much skills Flash had. A Bo5 is a lot different than your regular Proleague or group stages match.

Why not? Are you one of the clueless people that think game 3 wasn't completely over??

I am. And so is Flash, and I'd trust his bw knowledge over any person on TL (including rabid antifans like yourself), he's come back from much worse.


Same here. As they say, it's not over till it is over. 'nuff said.


I'm sure u know more than 3 KESPA refs who do this for a living. Makes sense.

Here's a decent analysis so I won't have to waste my time http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=110681


- Jaedong was on four gas and had a fifth gas building
- Flash was fast approaching depletion in both his nat and main geysers, and the expansion he had just taken had no geyser
- Flash was about to mine out his natural. Jaedong had more mineral patches than his drones could handle
- All of Jaedong's expansions were secure
- Flash had ZERO tanks. He did not even have a machine shop. No Flash vs Calm Game 3 this time around.


Also to moopie, I like Flash a lot, I'm just not in denial. Don't know why any1 who thinks jaedong had the game won is automatically an anti fan.





whilst I will sate that I don't like Flash a lot, I still trust my SC analytical skills enough to see beyond that and say that I agree with motbob and subtleArt, it was over, not because I don't like Flash but because it WAS over

IdrA and Ret both said the game was won for Jaedong

not trying to doubt Flash's BW knowledge but then again, Flash is absolutely unbiased toward himself am I right :p

never thought I'd still be arguing this point 6 months later


Exactly, almost all top players agree that it was over, as well as 3 refs who have made the game their living, but no, random teamliquid poster knows better, and any1 who doesn't agree must hate flash.

I am. And so is Flash, and I'd trust his bw knowledge over any person on TL (including rabid antifans like yourself), he's come back from much worse.


Yes, Flash...Lee Young Ho....the very person who was playing said game. Absolutely no bias there whatsoever

Rofl, so lets compare that game to the Set1 he played against Fantasy. If the power outage happened at the point where Fantasy had 5-6 bases with Flash @ 3 and has just lost 27 scv + got his main army eaten by Fantasy, you don't think the "people who make their living officiating" would have called it in favor of Fantasy?
We can't say the decision was fair/unfair, all we can say is that it SUCKED. It was unfair towards both players had the game been called either way and completely the MSL's fault for not making thing good. That entire series is marred and I think therefore bad evidence towards any argument.


you've got to be kidding me... TvT and TvZ are 2 entirely different match-ups.
The "state" of the game in those 2 scenarios were completely different. In that situation, it would've still taken a crapload of time for Fantasy to ride that advantage into a victory. In the power outage game, Jaedong was literally a minute or 2 from winning.

There is a reason why the only people who think Flash would've won have Rolster tags, while everyone affiliated with any non-oz/kt team + progamers + kespa refs think differently.

And the argument isn't "Flash WOULD've won", it's he COULD have, just like JD COULD have lost. Now we'll never know.


What I noticed from the power outage incident was the difference in mental fortitude between the players. Jaedong just stayed in his booth, fine with what ever choice the judges were making - and I'm quite sure most people believe that a re game would have fucked up jaedong much much more than it fucked up flash. I'm also pretty sure that Jaedong would have just thrown the game if it was he who had a more or less impossible situation before the power outage. If he didn't, if the tables were turned I'm afraid I would have stopped being a Jaedong fan. The difference in age is big though between the players, which could mean a lot.
"To all eSports fans, I want to be remembered as a progamer who can make something out of nothing, and someone who always does his best. I think that is the right way of living, and I'm always doing my best to follow that." - Jaedong. /watch?v=jfghAzJqAp0
CoWsGoesMoo
Profile Joined June 2010
250 Posts
August 25 2010 12:34 GMT
#103
Not to mention mirror match ups can be won when someone makes an even bigger mistake. >.>
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