Never thought I'd see Kwanro and "gosu defiler control" in the same line.
That was one of the top ZvTs of the year. I felt really bad when Action lost. It's a shame he's pretty mediocre most of the time, he's capable of some really outstanding play.
On August 18 2010 13:57 DarkMatter_ wrote: Never thought I'd see Kwanro and "gosu defiler control" in the same line.
That was one of the top ZvTs of the year. I felt really bad when Action lost. It's a shame he's pretty mediocre most of the time, he's capable of some really outstanding play.
Thats not how I would have put it, he is pretty mediocre in early/middle game, but really outstanding in the late game.
acturally he is nicknamed"the king of defilers" by the chinese community after the game.
while action is a top defiler master(with his zvp seemingly weaker), it seems that Kwanro is not good at using defilers, instead, he is good at early game attacking.
in the chinese bw community, Kwanro is said "to have the best first 10min among the world" or "if he fails to gain big advantage in the early game, it means he is in big disadvantage"
Plague swarm and lurkers probably the only cost effective thing you can do against terran . Action not fortifaing that bace in top left cost him the game ...
On August 18 2010 14:20 FVV190 wrote: yes it is action from estro.
acturally he is nicknamed"the king of defilers" by the chinese community after the game.
while action is a top defiler master(with his zvp seemingly weaker), it seems that Kwanro is not good at using defilers, instead, he is good at early game attacking.
in the chinese bw community, Kwanro is said "to have the best first 10min among the world" or "if he fails to gain big advantage in the early game, it means he is in big disadvantage"
quoted for truth LOL
amusing how kwanro's aka is "forhitech" ... -___-;;
On August 18 2010 14:20 FVV190 wrote: yes it is action from estro.
acturally he is nicknamed"the king of defilers" by the chinese community after the game.
while action is a top defiler master(with his zvp seemingly weaker), it seems that Kwanro is not good at using defilers, instead, he is good at early game attacking.
in the chinese bw community, Kwanro is said "to have the best first 10min among the world" or "if he fails to gain big advantage in the early game, it means he is in big disadvantage"
quoted for truth LOL
amusing how kwanro's aka is "forhitech" ... -___-;;
It's lookforhitech I believe. Because the opponent is supposed to look for hitech, only to find that he still hasn't built a hive in lategame.
On August 18 2010 14:20 FVV190 wrote: yes it is action from estro.
acturally he is nicknamed"the king of defilers" by the chinese community after the game.
while action is a top defiler master(with his zvp seemingly weaker), it seems that Kwanro is not good at using defilers, instead, he is good at early game attacking.
in the chinese bw community, Kwanro is said "to have the best first 10min among the world" or "if he fails to gain big advantage in the early game, it means he is in big disadvantage"
quoted for truth LOL
amusing how kwanro's aka is "forhitech" ... -___-;;
It's lookforhitech I believe. Because the opponent is supposed to look for hitech, only to find that he still hasn't built a hive in lategame.
LOLL hahaha
omg rewatched the game again eariler.. so freaking epic. such bullshit thoguh action doing all this crazy shit flash camping with his tanks and also somehow ends up with 10x the amotn of resources action has?!
What a sick game, I doubt there was a single defiler that got irradiated without casting plague or swarm before it died, no matter where it was on the map or what else Action was doing.
On August 18 2010 12:08 Sky.Technique wrote: It was TvZ. Flash vs some zerg. I wanna say..kwanro..and i wanna say it was on roadrunner..
but it was like after the game you see flash shake his head (he won btw) and he said to his teammates someething like "man when did he get so good"
btw i think that game there was like gosu gosu defiler control. maybe not kwanro but if you guys could help me find it that wwould b awesome ^^
On August 18 2010 13:57 DarkMatter_ wrote: Never thought I'd see Kwanro and "gosu defiler control" in the same line.
That was one of the top ZvTs of the year. I felt really bad when Action lost. It's a shame he's pretty mediocre most of the time, he's capable of some really outstanding play.
notice how i said "there was like gosu gosu defiler control. so maybe not kwanro...." etc
Kwanro hahaha when i read defiler control plus kwanro i loled Im a fan anyways i used to hate him.. wasnt this game put in a article? irrc it was/is epic...
that was a sick game. shame action threw it away near the end. not saying flash played poorly or anything, I just think he could have won if he held on to his expos along the left side at the end. I wish he would have won that =/
I remember watching this live. During the game, we thought Flash was in trouble when Action is plaguing and swarming like mad. But Flash is just trolling Action with his 2 or 4 k+ mineral in the bank.
On August 19 2010 09:21 KizZBG wrote: I watched that game live too. I knew it was gonna be an epic one even before it started.
I watched that game live too, and remember regretting Flash not pushing on 9 with his bio when he still had the chance. It did lead to an interesting endgame though, so it was probably for the best.
On August 18 2010 19:00 konadora wrote: one of the, if not the best, zvt in recent history
This was the same week that Snow and EffOrt beat Flash in that crazy series with CJ and KT. Doubtless the greatest week of starcraft in the last year, if not even further back.
The lurkers hiding under the drone at 13:57 was a cute play. I loved how Flash went in, lost a marine, realized he couldn't irradiate the lurkers, and had to go through the trouble of sieging up at the bottom of the ramp just to kill that drone.
On August 19 2010 12:31 SilverSkyLark wrote: Does Kwanro even know that Defilers exist?
Well there was the series he had with Casy in Bacchus where he had quite dominant play, including hive-tech goodness. But outside of that, I can't recall the last time he used defilers, let alone when he actually used them properly...
I watched that game live and I was on the edge of my seat the entire time. Action played so well and I'm so happy for him, but it's really sad that he had to lose after a game like that. Flash's play was just so much more resource efficient and took it in the end.
On August 18 2010 14:20 FVV190 wrote: yes it is action from estro.
acturally he is nicknamed"the king of defilers" by the chinese community after the game.
while action is a top defiler master(with his zvp seemingly weaker), it seems that Kwanro is not good at using defilers, instead, he is good at early game attacking.
in the chinese bw community, Kwanro is said "to have the best first 10min among the world" or "if he fails to gain big advantage in the early game, it means he is in big disadvantage"
On August 19 2010 12:31 SilverSkyLark wrote: Does Kwanro even know that Defilers exist?
Well there was the series he had with Casy in Bacchus where he had quite dominant play, including hive-tech goodness. But outside of that, I can't recall the last time he used defilers, let alone when he actually used them properly...
Didn't Kwanro had that Starleague Qualifiers game where he contained some Terran and had like 3/4ths the map and he was having HORRIBLE Defiler play? I cannot for the life of me remember if it was Leta or some other guy who kept trying econ harass w/ MnM drops. Terran tapped out after being unable to defend his 3rd after he broke the choke.
On August 19 2010 12:31 SilverSkyLark wrote: Does Kwanro even know that Defilers exist?
Well there was the series he had with Casy in Bacchus where he had quite dominant play, including hive-tech goodness. But outside of that, I can't recall the last time he used defilers, let alone when he actually used them properly...
Didn't Kwanro had that Starleague Qualifiers game where he contained some Terran and had like 3/4ths the map and he was having HORRIBLE Defiler play? I cannot for the life of me remember if it was Leta or some other guy who kept trying econ harass w/ MnM drops. Terran tapped out after being unable to defend his 3rd after he broke the choke.
Huh... we could actually be talking about the same series... Ro36 Bacchus OSL vs Casy?... I don't recall a series where he beat Leta. Casy went fake-mech in both games, and Kwanro just ate him up in the mid-game and finished him off in the late game with ultras and maybe some swarms... Ahhhh the point is we agree his hive-play is among the worst in the game, on average.
On August 19 2010 12:31 SilverSkyLark wrote: Does Kwanro even know that Defilers exist?
Well there was the series he had with Casy in Bacchus where he had quite dominant play, including hive-tech goodness. But outside of that, I can't recall the last time he used defilers, let alone when he actually used them properly...
Didn't Kwanro had that Starleague Qualifiers game where he contained some Terran and had like 3/4ths the map and he was having HORRIBLE Defiler play? I cannot for the life of me remember if it was Leta or some other guy who kept trying econ harass w/ MnM drops. Terran tapped out after being unable to defend his 3rd after he broke the choke.
Huh... we could actually be talking about the same series... Ro36 Bacchus OSL vs Casy?... I don't recall a series where he beat Leta. Casy went fake-mech in both games, and Kwanro just ate him up in the mid-game and finished him off in the late game with ultras and maybe some swarms... Ahhhh the point is we agree his hive-play is among the worst in the game, on average.
No no, this was either Korean OSL or Bigfile MSL... XD
Excellent to watch this game again, exemplary usage of the defiler. Too bad Flash is imba as shit. Also I don't think Kwanro knows that the Lair can be upgraded again, I don't think he's figured out how to make Ultralisks yet.
On August 19 2010 15:29 MangoTango wrote: Excellent to watch this game again, exemplary usage of the defiler. Too bad Flash is imba as shit. Also I don't think Kwanro knows that the Lair can be upgraded again, I don't think he's figured out how to make Ultralisks yet.
He made them once to clear out mines vs. Flash. It wasnt pretty.
Only on TL could someone be so vague about one particular game and have a bunch of people know immediatly which game he was talking about. Great game though...
On August 26 2010 01:57 dani_caliKorea wrote: The games so frustrating to watch. Action made about 30 defilers, if he only had a couple at his 10o'clock expansion, he could have defended and won.
soooo close
it's really a testament to how good Action's hive game multitasking and prioritizing is that he pretty much had defilers exactly where he needed them for thirty minutes up to then
On August 26 2010 02:10 Crais wrote: Only on TL could someone be so vague about one particular game and have a bunch of people know immediatly which game he was talking about. Great game though...
actually to be honest i wasnt that vague, i said tvz, flash vs some zerg, gosu defiler control, on roadrunner
plus if you were here when the game was played people raved about it, it wasnt that this site is awesome (which it is) that made me know ppl would remember it, it was that it got so much attention.