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![[image loading]](http://www.fomos.kr/board/issue/1279159730_1.jpg) Picture from Korean Air Season 1 Group Ceremony
The Korean Air StarLeague Season 2 Group Ceremony, scheduled for 16th of this month, might not work out as planned.
Through press release, SK Telecom stated that their OSL qualifiers - Bisu, Fantasy, Hyuk - will not participate in the group ceremony, due to the team's preparation for the Shinhan Bank Proleague 09-10 Ro6 Playoffs.
Due to this decision, it seems that CJ, SKT1's opponent on the Ro6 (their first match is scheduled on the 17th), might be under frustration. CJ has two players in Ro16 for OSL - Effort and Hydra. These two players are highly likely to be sent out during the playoff matches. Going along with SKT1's press release, there's no reason for CJ to send these two players to OSL Group Ceremony.
SK Telecom already stated that they will leave OnGameNet to select the groups for their players, but if CJ does the same, there will be problems. Last season's winner and top seed for the Korean Air Starleague Season 2, Effort, will not participate in the OSL Group Selection if CJ decides to take same actions taken by SKT1.
If this happens, Group Ceremony will be held with only 11 players. Although 16 StarLeaguers gather together for the group selection and talk about their own goals, thoughts, and stories, doing so with 11 people will make it awkward, making it feel like only half of the whole show.
In this season, especially, Taek-Bang-Lee-Ssang, the current biggest icons in eSports, made it through onto the Ro16, and many fans were excited. Due to the recent decision by SKT1 and possible actions by CJ, fans will be disappointed.
After SK Telecom's press release, many netizens protested: "Saying that the players won't participate in the Group Ceremony is same as SKT1 ignoring its fans."
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+ Show Spoiler +오는 16일로 예정된 대한항공 스타리그 시즌2 조지명식이 파행으로 번질 가능성이 커졌다.
SK텔레콤은 15일 보도자료를 통해 17일에 예정된 신한은행 프로리그 09-10 6강 플레이오프 준비를 위해 스타리그에 올라가 있는 김택용, 정명훈, 박재혁 등의 조지명식 불참을 공식화했다.
이 같은 결정으로 인해 17일 6강 PO에서 SK텔레콤과 맞대결을 펼칠 CJ의 입장도 난감해졌다. CJ는 김정우와 신동원이 스타리그에 진출해 있으며 두 선수 모두 프로리그에서 실전에 투입될 가능성이 굉장히 높은 선수들이기 때문에 SK텔레콤이 밝힌 대로라면 CJ 역시 조지명식에 불참하지 못할 이유가 없다.
SK텔레콤은 세 명 선수들의 조 편성 권한을 온게임넷에 일임한다고 밝혔지만 만약 CJ가 불참할 경우 전 시즌 우승자로서 탑 시드로 권한을 행사하는 김정우가 조지명식에서 빠지는 난처한 상황을 맞게 된다.
16인의 스타리거가 모두 모여 조 편성과 함께 차기 시즌에 대한 각오, 스토리 등을 만들어 가야 할 조지명식에서 SK텔레콤과 CJ가 빠진다면 11명이 어색하게 진행할 수 밖에 없는 반 쪽짜리 행사가 될 수 밖에 없다.
특히 이번 대한항공 스타리그 시즌2 조지명식은 현재 e스포츠를 대표하는 아이콘인 ‘택뱅리쌍’이 한 자리에 모여 팬들로부터 큰 기대를 받고 있었기에 조지명식이 파행으로 치닫게 될 경우 팬들의 실망은 이만 저만이 아닐 것으로 보인다.
한편 SK텔레콤의 보도자료 배포 이후 대부분의 네티즌들은 "조지명식 불참 선언은 SK텔레콤이 팬들을 무시하는 처사”라며 크게 반발하고 있다.
![[image loading]](http://www.fomos.kr/board/issue/1279170793_1.jpg) Rebuttle from SKT1
SK Telecom has explained their views on the current issue of Group Ceremony
SK Telecom's Secretary, Manager Man-Soo Jo, has stated that the only reason why the players won't be participating in the Group Ceremony is due to 'Proleague Practice'
Manager Jo stated "Participating in Group Ceremony right before Proleague Ro6 PO basically means that the players won't have time to practice. We have to prepare for full 7 sets, but we only received the maps 2 days before our match. We're very short on time, and we thought that missing 3 ace from the practice is practically suicidal. We fought hard for last year to get this chance, and we don't want to let go of our dreams just yet."
Manager Jo also stated that SKT and OGN have made negotiations on possible rescheduling of the Group Ceremony, but due to many reasons, no progress was made (both sides only stated that they understood each other; there were no possible solutions). SKT also asked for understanding from other teams. Lastly, Manager Jo stated that this decision was made after the discussion between the bureau, coaching staff, and players, not just from the bureau itself.
In the meanwhile, CJ players will be participating in the upcoming Korean Air StarLeague Season 2 Ceremony, so no additional damages will be done. However, many people are still upset and protesting against SKT's decision.
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+ Show Spoiler +SK텔레콤이 ‘조지명식 불참 선언’에 관한 입장을 보다 자세히 밝혔다.
SK텔레콤의 사무국을 맡고 있는 조만수 매니저는 먼저 이번 조지명식 불참과 관련해 ‘프로리그 연습 때문’이라는 것 외에는 전혀 다른 이유가 없다고 강조했다.
조 매니저는 “프로리그 6강 PO를 하루 앞두고 조지명식에 참가할 경우 연습할 시간이 아예 없다고 봐도 무방하다. 7세트를 풀로 준비해야 하는 플레이오프인데 불과 이틀 전에 맵이 결정되고 연습할 시간이 부족한 상황에서 에이스 3명이 빠지는 것은 무리라고 생각했다”며 “1년 동안 달려온 프로리그에서 잡은 기회를 놓칠 수 없다”고 말했다.
또한 이번 결정을 내리기 이전에 일정을 조정할 수 있는지 온게임넷과 수 차례 의논했지만 여러 가지 이유로 일정 조정이 불가능했고, 서로의 입장을 이해한다는 말 이외에는 다른 방법을 찾지 못했다고 말했다. 또 불참을 결정한 것과 관련해 다른 팀들에게도 양해를 구했고 무엇보다 이번 결정이 사무국만의 결정이 아닌 코칭스태프와 선수들간의 협의를 통해서 내린 것이라는 말도 전했다.
한편 16일에 있을 대한항공 스타리그 시즌2 조지명식은 SK텔레콤의 프로리그 상대인 CJ가 조지명식 참가를 결정함에 따라 더 이상 파행으로 치닫는 경우는 면했지만 불참을 밝힌 SK텔레콤에 대한 팬들의 비난 여론은 더욱 거세지고 있다.
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Nooooo! I wanted to see Bisu at an OSL ceremony ... 
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Terrible for PR, i rly hope CJ doesn't follow otherwise i might have to root against both teams ><
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After SK Telecom's press release, many netizens protested: "Saying that the players won't participate in the Group Ceremony is same as SKT1 ignoring its fans."
pretty much that right there. OGN should threaten them with disqualification imo.
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Pretty lame by SKT1, tbh. I'll admit I'm a CJ fanboy and don't really care for T1, but it's a really weak move no matter who the team is. I can understand wanting to get in as much practice as possible, but players and teams have always had to juggle leagues. Though I guess it really is true that teams see the proleague as more important that individual leagues.
pretty much that right there. OGN should threaten them with disqualification imo.
I could be wrong (I know GOM for sure), but isn't OGN owned at least in part by CJ? :D
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Why is SKT going down the STX road =="
whyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy?
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What is wrong with the teams now, first STX doing their no players on bench strategy, now this. Group ceremonies is usually the only place where progamers get to do something outside of just gaming, like doing some trash talking, or even talking in general.
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OGN should just dq the SKT players and let those who lost vs those players participate instead. Stupid move.
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typical SKT leadership, doing anything it takes to win, giving a big "fuck you" to everyone else. -_-
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What the hell :/
DQ the players if they don't show up.
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It wouldn't be fair to DQ Bisu/Fantasy/Hyuk if it was a management decision where they had no say in there matter. However, this really is a shitty thing for SKT1 to do.
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this is stupid...shame on u skt T_T
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On July 15 2010 15:44 FragKrag wrote:
What the hell :/
DQ the players if they don't show up.
while instances such as being in the military or sickness is understandable for not appearing at group selection ceremonies, giving yourself an advantage (of one fucking measly night) over other teams is completely unacceptable.
edit: lets see what the situation would be if all the teams participating in this rounds playoffs players withdrew;
sea, fantasy
effort, hyuk, hydra
pure, bisu
only 9 players would be at the final group ceremony.
gg.
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taking the bench strategy to a whole new level!
OGN really should just have a rule that disqualifies players for willfully not going to the ceremony or something. I mean it's ratings for them right?
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well... this is confusing...
i'm actually pretty conflicted with this, since as much as i want an skt player to win the osl and see their ceremonies and stuff, i want them to win proleague more...
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retarded decision... they cant take 2 hours from practice to relax and do something they probably enjoy? :\
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SKT pulling the gay ~
The selection ceremony is still part of the tournament, and if you aren't going to show up for it, get the fuck out.
DQ the absent newbies please.
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oh, cj just announced they will not re-act to skt's retarded decision, and will allow their players effort and hydra to attend the group selection as planned.
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woo go skt!
stick it to the man
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DQ the SKT players. While it sucks for the players it will discourage these kind of decisions being made in the future by other teams. This shit will create a very dangerous precedent.
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On July 15 2010 15:51 GTR wrote:
oh, cj just announced they will not re-act to skt's retarded decision, and will allow their players effort and hydra to attend the group selection as planned.
That is good to hear at least :/. Would still be nice to see SKT though.
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On July 15 2010 15:51 GTR wrote:
oh, cj just announced they will not re-act to skt's retarded decision, and will allow their players effort and hydra to attend the group selection as planned.
NICE! Props to CJ for being real men lol.
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Can't SKT1 just win 4-0 with  s2, Hyuk, n.Die_soO and ummm Thezerg? Seriously though I'd rather they just half ass their entrances to the group selection (no ceremony/fan prep) than completely forgoing the ceremony. It really is like what the neitzens are saying that this is ignoring the fans.
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On July 15 2010 15:51 GTR wrote:
oh, cj just announced they will not re-act to skt's retarded decision, and will allow their players effort and hydra to attend the group selection as planned.
I wouldn't expect anything less from CJ, or most other teams, for that matter.
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The SKT players should definitely be threatened with DQ if they don't show up.
CJ's players have to go too.
Sets a bad precedent.
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Group ceremonies are for show while playoffs are the real deal. I understand why SKT is attempting to do this.
However, as logical as the reason is, I don't think it should be allowed as it goes against the traditions of the OSL
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If SKT did not tell anyone else about this beforehand, DQ and possible other actions should be taken, in my opinion.
However, it seems that OGN knew about SKT's opinion beforehand, as well as the other teams.
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Disqualification is pretty harsh. It's unlikely that the players decided not to go anyway. Many problems with progaming seem to come from the very intense event schedule.Go SK!
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On July 15 2010 16:00 Simplistik wrote:
Disqualification is pretty harsh. It's unlikely that the players decided not to go anyway. Many problems with progaming seem to come from the very intense event schedule.Go SK!
Well we sure as hell can't disqualify the coaches. At least the threat of DQ should be enforced, I agree with others about setting a precedent if this goes completely unpunished.
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I must be the minority that is actually encouraging SKT's actions.
If I were a pro-gamer, I would say fuck ceremonies, formality, and limelight and just practice for a the upcoming match. They need every edge they can get. Assuming Bisu, Fantasy, and Hyuk are introverted, nerdy guys like myself, I would assume they're feeling the same thing.
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i don't know about all the hate, their reason is pretty understandable.
if you had an exam in two days, and your friends ask you to play basketball with them tomorrow.
if you don't play basketball, your friends are missing a player, and can't play without you, or they can play, but it will be weird with a missing player.
i can totally understand if you wanted to study for the exam instead of playing.
if anything, blame the planner/scheduler.
they shouldn't have scheduled the ceremony and the playoffs so close to each other.
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its too bad the group stage stuff cant have been scheduled after the proleague playoffs. I hate how starcraft events and stuff are all so crammed around each other literally year round.
edit: haha nextstep we think alike ^_^
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yeah... DQ is harsh... they should just put them all in a bracket together...
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On July 15 2010 16:07 Assymptotic wrote:
I must be the minority that is actually encouraging SKT's actions.
If I were a pro-gamer, I would say fuck ceremonies, formality, and limelight and just practice for a the upcoming match. They need every edge they can get. Assuming Bisu, Fantasy, and Hyuk are introverted, nerdy guys like myself, I would assume they're feeling the same thing.
Um... They are professional Starcraft players, and you aren't. They have fans, and you don't. They have to abide by their company's decisions, and... do I need to go on?
Also, I don't know if anyone remembers, but Flash has done the same thing from MSL. He did not show up on a few MSL ceremonies for who knows why.
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While I can't support a DQ as SKT couldn't care less if the players didn't qualify, it is truly a dick move on their part.
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On July 15 2010 16:11 newvsoldschool wrote:Show nested quote +On July 15 2010 16:07 Assymptotic wrote:
I must be the minority that is actually encouraging SKT's actions.
If I were a pro-gamer, I would say fuck ceremonies, formality, and limelight and just practice for a the upcoming match. They need every edge they can get. Assuming Bisu, Fantasy, and Hyuk are introverted, nerdy guys like myself, I would assume they're feeling the same thing. Um... They are professional Starcraft players, and you aren't. They have fans, and you don't. They have to abide by their company's decisions, and... do I need to go on? Also, I don't know if anyone remembers, but Flash has done the same thing from MSL. He did not show up on a few MSL ceremonies for who knows why.
wat? when?
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Playoffs are played at 13 on saturday morning, it's stupid from OGN to schedule the group selection on friday evening. Especially they could have done it this wednesday since there was no games at all. But I agree that it is also stupid from SKT to wait until thursday to say they will not attend in order to practice more. Imo, coaches should just have complained about the group selection schedule when the date was released.
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On July 15 2010 15:45 ndralcasid wrote:
It wouldn't be fair to DQ Bisu/Fantasy/Hyuk if it was a management decision where they had no say in there matter. However, this really is a shitty thing for SKT1 to do.
This.
If Bisu, Fantasy, and Hyuk are going to be DQed, it should at least be for something that they had a say in.
On July 15 2010 16:03 Kyuukyuu wrote:Show nested quote +On July 15 2010 16:00 Simplistik wrote:
Disqualification is pretty harsh. It's unlikely that the players decided not to go anyway. Many problems with progaming seem to come from the very intense event schedule.Go SK! Well we sure as hell can't disqualify the coaches. At least the threat of DQ should be enforced, I agree with others about setting a precedent if this goes completely unpunished.
From the way things sound, it seems that SKT management cares a lot more about PL than individual leagues. Punishment on the PL side of things is much more likely to get a response than the OSL side.
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A fair response would be to put all of them in the same group. Together with, say, Jaedong.
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Although I see why SKT is doing this, I'm disappointed nonetheless.
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I can see Hiya now...
"Can I have their entrance slots? I have a lot of dancing planned!"
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On July 15 2010 16:11 newvsoldschool wrote:Show nested quote +On July 15 2010 16:07 Assymptotic wrote:
I must be the minority that is actually encouraging SKT's actions.
If I were a pro-gamer, I would say fuck ceremonies, formality, and limelight and just practice for a the upcoming match. They need every edge they can get. Assuming Bisu, Fantasy, and Hyuk are introverted, nerdy guys like myself, I would assume they're feeling the same thing. Um... They are professional Starcraft players, and you aren't. They have fans, and you don't. They have to abide by their company's decisions, and... do I need to go on? Also, I don't know if anyone remembers, but Flash has done the same thing from MSL. He did not show up on a few MSL ceremonies for who knows why.
Obviously they have to abide by their company's policy, but I'm assuming here that they (the players) are ok with SKT's decision to withdraw from the ceremony since I'm comparing their personalities to people who probably share similar personalities.
As a fan I would rather be cheering them on to win a match and entertain me in the match by playing their A game, not worry about some formality.
Also, you defeated yourself in your argument. As professionals who have to follow their company, their obligation is to their company, not their fans.
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Disappointing, but I can see why they would do it. As long as they do well in the playoffs I can forgive this.
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On July 15 2010 16:26 okum wrote:
A fair response would be to put all of them in the same group. Together with, say, Jaedong.
Poor Jeadong, lol
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On July 15 2010 16:09 nextstep wrote:
i don't know about all the hate, their reason is pretty understandable.
if you had an exam in two days, and your friends ask you to play basketball with them tomorrow.
if you don't play basketball, your friends are missing a player, and can't play without you, or they can play, but it will be weird with a missing player.
i can totally understand if you wanted to study for the exam instead of playing.
if anything, blame the planner/scheduler.
they shouldn't have scheduled the ceremony and the playoffs so close to each other.
How about if you had an exam you knew was coming for months, and your friend asked you to play basketball for one day. That's a more reasonable comparison. Oh, and it's your job to take this exam, so it's not like you were slacking off. And you've been having practice exams of the same sort for over a year.
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On July 15 2010 16:26 okum wrote:
A fair response would be to put all of them in the same group. Together with, say, Jaedong.
So they all practice vZ (since, even if they lose to each other, if they beat Jaedong 2/3 will advance), and Jaedong has to prepare all 3 matchups.
Sounds like a good way to get Jaedong eliminated.
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He has a week to practice the appropriate MU. That's more than enough time.
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Alright, so after looking at the time between the ceremony and the playoffs, I can completely understand why they would do it, and why it would make a lot of sense. The ceremony might take maybe 2-3 hours(starting at 6:30 PM). The progamers would have to arrive early so that they can prepare the entrance ceremony and such(Maybe 6 PM). After the ceremony and drive back and other concerns, they would barely have any of the evening left. The games start at 1 PM, they have to get to the studio, and they have to get enough sleep. So the ceremony means that they won't get an entire evening to practice, which is a lot considering their short notice as far as maps go. That could make a real difference in their play, despite the harm it could have to the PR.
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imo OGN should just stick all three SKT players in the same group and don't let anyone switch SKT players out
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lol at ppl suggesting a DQ for all T1 players. SKT are being completely reasonable in this case - their players are not seeds so they just could get picked last and it wont change the flow of the group selection. I can totally understand why T1 dont want to waste an entire practice day because of a retarded group ceremony and saying that they dont respect their fans is absolutely stupid. I'm sure all SKT fans want their team to perform at their best in the PO, I for one am totally behind T1's move
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You know, they should just throw the three of them into a group with each other. If they want to stay at home so much, they can do so in the OSL too.
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just postpone the group selection to another time.. sigh.. it's not like world's end.. and DQ player???? are you kidding me? Those individuals worked their ass off to get there, it's SKT's decision at this point.. since those players are underling of SKT, they have to obey that decision.. but I can sympathise SKT because they might not want their players to fool around before an important playoff match.. CJ can do that too.. also fans saying "if they do that, they ignore us" blah blah is an idiotic attitude. Organizations at that calibre will have to be selfish at some point, they can't entertain fans all the time.
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Fair enough with only 2 days prior knowledge of maps. Just poor scheduling
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On July 15 2010 16:48 disciple wrote:
lol at ppl suggesting a DQ for all T1 players. SKT are being completely reasonable in this case - their players are not seeds so they just could get picked last and it wont change the flow of the group selection. I can totally understand why T1 dont want to waste an entire practice day because of a retarded group ceremony and saying that they dont respect their fans is absolutely stupid. I'm sure all SKT fans want their team to perform at their best in the PO, I for one am totally behind T1's move
its hardly fair when only one team does it
How can anyone be a SKT1 fan after this
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On July 15 2010 15:44 FragKrag wrote:
What the hell :/
DQ the players if they don't show up.
ehhh, it's not the player's desicion.
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Crappy scheduling from OGN, really. I'm not 100% happy with T1's decision, but it's understandable nonetheless. Knowing the maps two days before their match is completely retarded as well--no idea if it's always been this way but wtf.
Sounds like a decently reasonable decision to me.
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On July 15 2010 17:08 Scarecrow wrote:Fair enough with only 2 days prior knowledge of maps. Just poor scheduling
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On July 15 2010 17:06 darkemperor wrote:
also fans saying "if they do that, they ignore us" blah blah is an idiotic attitude. Organizations at that calibre will have to be selfish at some point, they can't entertain fans all the time.
Umm...? You do realize that entertaining fans is pretty much the point of e-sports, right? (Obviously, making money is the point, but entertaining fans is the stepping stone.)
God forbid that the players get to take a break from their 10-hour-a-day practice schedule to take part in a 2-hour group selection ceremony that they only get to go to once or twice a year that is fun and relaxing. It would be "suicide." Typical Korean bullshit.
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I don't think there's any problem with this at all. The players need their practice (especially Bisu) and giving them a day off doesn't seem to be such a good idea at this point.
While it seems kind of mean by skt i can see why they would want their players to get as much practice as possible.
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On July 15 2010 17:21 SuperArc wrote:Show nested quote +On July 15 2010 16:48 disciple wrote:
lol at ppl suggesting a DQ for all T1 players. SKT are being completely reasonable in this case - their players are not seeds so they just could get picked last and it wont change the flow of the group selection. I can totally understand why T1 dont want to waste an entire practice day because of a retarded group ceremony and saying that they dont respect their fans is absolutely stupid. I'm sure all SKT fans want their team to perform at their best in the PO, I for one am totally behind T1's move its hardly fair when only one team does it How can anyone be a SKT1 fan after this
Scheduling was terrible. SKT protested. I would find it normal if CJ wanted to do the same.
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On July 15 2010 17:21 SuperArc wrote:
its hardly fair when only one team does it
How can anyone be a SKT1 fan after this
Well it's not like other teams can't do the same.
If they're fine with only a couple hours of practice before a playoff bo7, so be it I guess.
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It's not the world's end, sure.. tell that to netizens though. Just reading through their comments I can tell how furious they are atm. Some netizen reaction "I hope you fail all individual leagues, and playoffs too." There are more harsh comments too.. I just hope they didn't fail miserably, or ..will be eaten alive after that...
Though I am kinda disappointed.. it's just not fair to other teams >.<
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On July 15 2010 17:27 endy wrote:Show nested quote +On July 15 2010 17:21 SuperArc wrote:On July 15 2010 16:48 disciple wrote:
lol at ppl suggesting a DQ for all T1 players. SKT are being completely reasonable in this case - their players are not seeds so they just could get picked last and it wont change the flow of the group selection. I can totally understand why T1 dont want to waste an entire practice day because of a retarded group ceremony and saying that they dont respect their fans is absolutely stupid. I'm sure all SKT fans want their team to perform at their best in the PO, I for one am totally behind T1's move its hardly fair when only one team does it How can anyone be a SKT1 fan after this Scheduling was terrible. SKT protested. I would find it normal if CJ wanted to do the same.
how is the scheduling terrible? it is tradition since the first time osl ever had a group ceremony that it would be held on a friday. the date was probably set in stone as soon as the qualifiers started.
skt should cop it on the chin and deal with it.
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This shit is fucking hilarious.
The last proleague finals all anyone on TL ever talked about was how PROLEAGUE is now greater than the OSL GRAND FINALS. The writers said this in the article and people bandwagoned hard as shit. And yet, when a team follows suit to practice for proleague all this hate comes out.
Yeah it sucks to fans momentarily, but again people on TL bandwagon hard as shit. I mean look at the thread talking about if you follow teams or players. Most people follow teams and I'm pretty sure your team raising a proleague trophy would be better to you as a fan than having Bisu/Fantasy/Hyuk talk at OSL group ceremonies.
And in the spirit of competitive BW, wouldn't you prefer if all teams had more than 2 days to practice for a full 7 set? Yes, it would be easier if ONE team [ SKT ] followed what everyone else did but is it fair if 3 of your team's aces who made OSL are unable to practice? It is not their fault they have 3 who made it into OSL they should not be punished. All teams should have agreed to push this group ceremony back OR gotten the maps earlier. I feel this is all a management fuck up by teams + ogn schedulers. Where is the urgency in a group ceremony vs Proleague?
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As lame as this is, there isn't honestly anything lost by this. Bisu, Fantasy, and Hyuk have as much of a personality as a rock. I don't imagine the players see much in this ceremony despite how much they want to "please the fans". None of them do anything interesting, say anything particularly outrageous, and some look close to falling asleep.
If it was someone like Hiya or Firebathero, I'd be pissed since they actually add something to the ceremony but none of them are particularly interesting to be honest. The group ceremonies haven't been good for nearly forever since none of the players are even interesting people.
If SKT wants to do this, go ahead. Not sure where the outrage is to be honest, especially considering every capable player besides Best has to turn up to this meaningless ceremony.
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Well CJ would be missing Hydra and Effort. Why not just have SKT1 and CJ both agree to have their entire A teams show up to the group selection so NO ONE practices muahaha.
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On July 15 2010 16:44 Milkis wrote:
imo OGN should just stick all three SKT players in the same group and don't let anyone switch SKT players out
hahaha i was thinking the same.
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ha, lets say im bisu
"Hey, i wanna go man sup? is the OSL, the biggest individual league, cmon let me go"
Still wont go?
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On July 15 2010 17:29 Ack1027 wrote:
And in the spirit of competitive BW, wouldn't you prefer if all teams had more than 2 days to practice for a full 7 set? Yes, it would be easier if ONE team [ SKT ] followed what everyone else did but is it fair if 3 of your team's aces who made OSL are unable to practice? It is not their fault they have 3 who made it into OSL they should not be punished. All teams should have agreed to push this group ceremony back OR gotten the maps earlier. I feel this is all a management fuck up by teams + ogn schedulers. Where is the urgency in a group ceremony vs Proleague?
This. Seriously.
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Yeah Ack1027 made a good point saying that T1 is the team with the most qualified players in OSL, hence they are more affected.
Fox only has Pure, and MBC only has Sea iirc.
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another clue that SC is not an actual sport. If withdrawing players from an official part of an event is possible, the whole event is amateurish
It's like FC Barcelona would've announced that they wont let their players to attend the World Cup from the start, they might join the Spanish team later on
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On July 15 2010 17:29 Ack1027 wrote:
This shit is fucking hilarious.
The last proleague finals all anyone on TL ever talked about was how PROLEAGUE is now greater than the OSL GRAND FINALS. The writers said this in the article and people bandwagoned hard as shit. And yet, when a team follows suit to practice for proleague all this hate comes out.
Yeah it sucks to fans momentarily, but again people on TL bandwagon hard as shit. I mean look at the thread talking about if you follow teams or players. Most people follow teams and I'm pretty sure your team raising a proleague trophy would be better to you as a fan than having Bisu/Fantasy/Hyuk talk at OSL group ceremonies.
And in the spirit of competitive BW, wouldn't you prefer if all teams had more than 2 days to practice for a full 7 set? Yes, it would be easier if ONE team [ SKT ] followed what everyone else did but is it fair if 3 of your team's aces who made OSL are unable to practice? It is not their fault they have 3 who made it into OSL they should not be punished. All teams should have agreed to push this group ceremony back OR gotten the maps earlier. I feel this is all a management fuck up by teams + ogn schedulers. Where is the urgency in a group ceremony vs Proleague?
i actually care more about individual leagues but thats a strong point i guess....
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On July 15 2010 17:42 Geo.Rion wrote:
another clue that SC is not an actual sport. If withdrawing players from an official part of an event is possible, the whole event is amateurish
sry, but thats bullshit. in professional tennis its absolutely common for players to withdraw from the double competition if they make if suprisingly far in the single competition. in all other professional sports, there is only one organization running the events, or at most 2 diffeferent ones ( football national associations and the uefa) which hold much more contact about planning their events to not collide with each other.
the true problem here is that ogn and the proleague dont synchronize their schedules to prevent situations like the one we´re talking about. i can fully understand that skt doesnt want to waste 7 or so hours of their player´s valuable practice time for an PR event. in particular, fantasy also had to prepare for his msl games today.
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On July 15 2010 17:50 Black Gun wrote:Show nested quote +On July 15 2010 17:42 Geo.Rion wrote:
another clue that SC is not an actual sport. If withdrawing players from an official part of an event is possible, the whole event is amateurish sry, but thats bullshit. in professional tennis its absolutely common for players to withdraw from the double competition if they make if suprisingly far in the single competition. in all other professional sports, there is only one organization running the events, or at most 2 diffeferent ones ( football national associations and the uefa) which hold much more contact about planning their events to not collide with each other. the true problem here is that ogn and the proleague dont synchronize their schedules to prevent situations like the one we´re talking about.
withdraw from an event is one thing, withdrawing from a part of the event is not possible in professional sports, afaik
i edited my original post to make my point more clear
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Wow, my respect for SKT just went down the drain. That's such a lame move. My respect for CJ went up though. ^__^
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The only thing I see wrong with this situation is people asking for disqualifications. What's with this black and white philosophy?
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On July 15 2010 17:53 Geo.Rion wrote:Show nested quote +On July 15 2010 17:50 Black Gun wrote:On July 15 2010 17:42 Geo.Rion wrote:
another clue that SC is not an actual sport. If withdrawing players from an official part of an event is possible, the whole event is amateurish sry, but thats bullshit. in professional tennis its absolutely common for players to withdraw from the double competition if they make if suprisingly far in the single competition. in all other professional sports, there is only one organization running the events, or at most 2 diffeferent ones ( football national associations and the uefa) which hold much more contact about planning their events to not collide with each other. the true problem here is that ogn and the proleague dont synchronize their schedules to prevent situations like the one we´re talking about. withdraw from an event is one thing, withdrawing from a part of the event is not possible in professional sports, afaik i edited my original post to make my point more clear
well, i should have made my point clearer aswell: maybe skt´s behavior isnt too professional, and it wouldnt be possible in most professionally run sports. but my point is that in any truely professional sport, such a schedule overload wouldnt even happen. skt´s move is just a reaction to the unprofessionality of the overall organization of pro sc.
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oh come on, that's just lame SKT. You lose what? 3-4 hours practice time?
Cut some sleep to make up for it you bastards, seriously...
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Baltimore, USA22251 Posts
What the christ. Put yourself in the shoes of the T1 managers, with the pressure from your corporate sponsor as well as the fans to deliver and win big, then, oh yeah, we have the group selection ceremony... Terrible scheduling, but NO ONE can fault the decision. I'm half temped to issue bans for everyone suggesting the T1 players be DQ'ed... what the fucking hell is wrong with you guys?!?
This is one of those scenarios where Kespa needs to step in and solve the problem to justify their existance.
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On July 15 2010 17:27 matjlav wrote:Show nested quote +On July 15 2010 17:06 darkemperor wrote:
also fans saying "if they do that, they ignore us" blah blah is an idiotic attitude. Organizations at that calibre will have to be selfish at some point, they can't entertain fans all the time. Umm...? You do realize that entertaining fans is pretty much the point of e-sports, right? (Obviously, making money is the point, but entertaining fans is the stepping stone.) God forbid that the players get to take a break from their 10-hour-a-day practice schedule to take part in a 2-hour group selection ceremony that they only get to go to once or twice a year that is fun and relaxing. It would be "suicide." Typical Korean bullshit.
It's before an important match for SKT.. what part of that did you not understand? of course fans are important factor in this thing but this grande finals are important for both those individuals & the team in terms of financial sitaution and prestige.. and of course FANS.. It's not like SKT prevented them from participating in OSL matches.. it's just one stupid group ceremony.. there isn't even Firebathero in it.. just lame. Netizens or whoever rioting against this thing is just dramatizing the sitaution.. just think about what would you think if you were that team's coach, player etc.
This group ceremony, now I'm looking from calendar, can be postponed to Wed.. It wouldn't create this much noise if CJ/MBC/FOX did same thing..
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On July 15 2010 17:59 EvilTeletubby wrote:
What the christ. Put yourself in the shoes of the T1 managers, with the pressure from your corporate sponsor as well as the fans to deliver and win big, then, oh yeah, we have the group selection ceremony... Terrible scheduling, but NO ONE can fault the decision. I'm half temped to issue bans for everyone suggesting the T1 players be DQ'ed... what the fucking hell is wrong with you guys?!?
This is one of those scenarios where Kespa needs to step in and solve the problem to justify their existance.
CJ players have the same scheduling. It's not as if it's unfair.
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Baltimore, USA22251 Posts
On July 15 2010 17:56 Black Gun wrote:
skt´s move is just a reaction to the unprofessionality of the overall organization of pro sc.
This, thank you.
I can't believe all the anger directed at T1; SC fans can be really, really dense at times. People being 'disappointed' by them, or having 'all their respect go down the drain'. Really? They're between a rock and a hard place. They did it the RIGHT way by reaching out to OGN to express the issue, but nothing was done about it. IMO this is a total, TOTAL fail by Kespa to prevent stuff like this from happening. IMO, this is exactly the type of thing Kespa should exist for.
If you guys are going to nerd-rage, at least direct your anger to the right place.
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Baltimore, USA22251 Posts
On July 15 2010 18:00 okum wrote:Show nested quote +On July 15 2010 17:59 EvilTeletubby wrote:
What the christ. Put yourself in the shoes of the T1 managers, with the pressure from your corporate sponsor as well as the fans to deliver and win big, then, oh yeah, we have the group selection ceremony... Terrible scheduling, but NO ONE can fault the decision. I'm half temped to issue bans for everyone suggesting the T1 players be DQ'ed... what the fucking hell is wrong with you guys?!?
This is one of those scenarios where Kespa needs to step in and solve the problem to justify their existance. CJ players have the same scheduling. It's not as if it's unfair.
Disagreed, it's completely unfair to CJ players as well, not just T1. Btw, you seriously can't compare the two apples to apples btw unless they both had exactly the same number of players involved, and they were the exact same players versing each other in PL. 
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I really doubt that a few hours at a ceremony will make the difference between a win and loss.
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Baltimore, USA22251 Posts
On July 15 2010 18:07 SiDX wrote:
I really doubt that a few hours at a ceremony will make the difference between a win and loss.
Seriously? When they only have two days to practice? Not only does the ceremony itself take a couple hours, but there is time associated with getting to/from and preparing for the event (and I mean more than just showering and getting dressed). This could easily eat up anywhere from 25%-40% or so of their total practice time. You really think that won't make a difference?
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On July 15 2010 18:07 SiDX wrote:
I really doubt that a few hours at a ceremony will make the difference between a win and loss.
Preparing for Bo7 as a team takes time.
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United States47024 Posts
On July 15 2010 17:21 SuperArc wrote:
its hardly fair when only one team does it
How can anyone be a SKT1 fan after this
I don't see why I should hate the players just because the management fucked up.
It would be like saying people shouldn't be CJ fans after the match-fixing scandal. One person's actions do not define the entire team, whether they're a player or a manager.
As far as disqualification goes, it's still not fair to the players to DQ them over a decision made by the management.
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On July 15 2010 18:11 EvilTeletubby wrote:Show nested quote +On July 15 2010 18:07 SiDX wrote:
I really doubt that a few hours at a ceremony will make the difference between a win and loss. Seriously? When they only have two days to practice? Not only does the ceremony itself take a couple hours, but there is time associated with getting to/from and preparing for the event (and I mean more than just showering and getting dressed). This could easily eat up anywhere from 25%-40% or so of their total practice time. You really think that won't make a difference?
True, there is all this make up preparation too. (Btw it sounds unfair to CJ because Effort and Movie need so much more make up).
Just joking, but I made this post in reply to people who think the group ceremony will only take 2 hours. Transport + getting dressed + heavy make up + ceremony + interviews about the groups + transport + make up removal = at least 6 hours. They have 2 days, 10 hours a day. That means the group ceremony wastes like 30% of their practice time.
edit : typo
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Players rarely or never influence their brackets in professional sports. So practicing for an important match is much more like any professional sport than the circus that is Group Ceremony.
To me the Group Ceremony is part of what seperates brood war from a professional sports. No serious sport would allow a group with several of their top players and think it was a good idea (Midas comes to mind).
And people calling for disqualification, to what sport are you comparing this scenario? Most sports do not make a joke of how they make their brackets in the first place. Sure, there are big ceremonies for the world cup and CL in football. But the players don't have to be there, and if they are present they have no influence over the brackets.
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On July 15 2010 18:04 EvilTeletubby wrote:Show nested quote +On July 15 2010 17:56 Black Gun wrote:
skt´s move is just a reaction to the unprofessionality of the overall organization of pro sc. This, thank you. I can't believe all the anger directed at T1; SC fans can be really, really dense at times. People being 'disappointed' by them, or having 'all their respect go down the drain'. Really? They're between a rock and a hard place. They did it the RIGHT way by reaching out to OGN to express the issue, but nothing was done about it. IMO this is a total, TOTAL fail by Kespa to prevent stuff like this from happening. IMO, this is exactly the type of thing Kespa should exist for. If you guys are going to nerd-rage, at least direct your anger to the right place.
Meh. I suppose this is very true as well... SKT did get kind of screwed over.
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i for one am happy, i hope they practise hard and win some shit. not a huge fan of the group ceremony anyway
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On July 15 2010 18:07 SiDX wrote:
I really doubt that a few hours at a ceremony will make the difference between a win and loss.
It's most likely huge a difference when you have two days to practice.
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To the T1 fans defending this:
FUCK. YOU.
let me say that again... FUCK YOU
I don't care which team this is, just because it's 'your' team, that doesn't mean you can justify this in whichever way possible. What a low baller move. OGN should DQ the absent players and move on. Seriously, what the hell guys.
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Sorry OZ didn't have 3 players qualify for OSL.
It doesn't matter what team it is. It's a management fuck up.
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To the post mkchoi0801 made,
Honestly, after reading all the posts in this thread, your post is the most ignorant of them all.
Sure, we are SKT1 fans, but we aren't defending their actions for the sake of being a fanboy; we are reasoning.
IMO, this was really poor planning and a failure on kespa for not having solved this schedule conflict.
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On July 15 2010 18:35 mkchoi0801 wrote:
To the T1 fans defending this:
FUCK. YOU.
let me say that again... FUCK YOU
I don't care which team this is, just because it's 'your' team, that doesn't mean you can justify this in whichever way possible. What a low baller move. OGN should DQ the absent players and move on. Seriously, what the hell guys.
No but we all can justify it by reasonable arguments such as the schedule is bad and what not. That doesn't mean we all have to agree with their decision and that they maybe should've handled it earlier. But seriously, "fuck you"?
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intrigue
Washington, D.C9933 Posts
sucks, but the reason is legitimate. i'm willing to forget about it if skt1 wins pl though!
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Hope the SKT1ers all get thrown in the same group.
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It seems stupid that a player would agree to the ceremony considering the situation. Hey guess what fans players would like to win.
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On July 15 2010 18:45 Storm[PT] wrote:
To the post mkchoi0801 made,
Honestly, after reading all the posts in this thread, your post is the most ignorant of them all.
Sure, we are SKT1 fans, but we aren't defending their actions for the sake of being a fanboy; we are reasoning.
IMO, this was really poor planning and a failure on kespa for not having solved this schedule conflict.
but that doesn't make any sense, your so called 'reasoning' comes from the fact that your a fanboy. It's not justifiable no matter how you put it. I just made the first post to piss you guys off, btw. Sure, keep defending your team, I hope it curses them out of both OSL and pro league.
User was warned for this post
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People are being overly harsh on SKT here. It's just the group ceremony, I'd say it's a lot less important than the proleague finals. It seems like it's just terrible scheduling, the maps should have been given out earlier etc etc. 3-4 hours of practice time might not seem so bad but given what time they've been given their maps that like a quarter of their total practice time (given that it will be more like 5 hours absence and a loss of flow)
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CJs players have to go too so wheres the problem? nobody gets pratice time so srsly TT
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TL mods, never change. I didn't think internet was this easy to piss people off... Fanboyism is awesome.
Edit: I'll actually add something to this lol.
I'm sure that there have been scheduling conflicts before in the unbelievably long history of starcraft progaming. Did anyone say, 'fuck u fans, im not gonna show up to this cuz i need to practice.' To top it all off, CJ players are showing up. Progaming is nowhere without fans, and SKT just fucked them all in the butt with no lube. They couldn't devote 2 hours of their time to entertain the fans. So selfish, so SKT.
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On July 15 2010 19:00 mkchoi0801 wrote: TL mods, never change. I didn't think internet was this easy to piss people off... Fanboyism is awesome. Edit: I'll actually add something to this lol. I'm sure that there have been scheduling conflicts before in the unbelievably long history of starcraft progaming. Did anyone say, 'fuck u fans, im not gonna show up to this cuz i need to practice.' To top it all off, CJ players are showing up. Progaming is nowhere without fans, and SKT just fucked them all in the butt with no lube. They couldn't devote 2 hours of their time to entertain the fans. So selfish, so SKT.
You are wrong. As a fervent SKT fan, I am glad they will have more time to practice and see them deliver on saturday. I would even like to see CJ practice more as well and see incredible games.
Do you really think fans want to watch poor games due to a lack of practice ?
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On July 15 2010 18:35 mkchoi0801 wrote:
To the T1 fans defending this:
FUCK. YOU.
let me say that again... FUCK YOU
I don't care which team this is, just because it's 'your' team, that doesn't mean you can justify this in whichever way possible. What a low baller move. OGN should DQ the absent players and move on. Seriously, what the hell guys.
totally waiting for the Teletubby ban hammer on this one
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Ohhhhh ya, I'm waiting too SeeDLiNg.
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On July 15 2010 19:07 endy wrote:Show nested quote +On July 15 2010 19:00 mkchoi0801 wrote: TL mods, never change. I didn't think internet was this easy to piss people off... Fanboyism is awesome. Edit: I'll actually add something to this lol. I'm sure that there have been scheduling conflicts before in the unbelievably long history of starcraft progaming. Did anyone say, 'fuck u fans, im not gonna show up to this cuz i need to practice.' To top it all off, CJ players are showing up. Progaming is nowhere without fans, and SKT just fucked them all in the butt with no lube. They couldn't devote 2 hours of their time to entertain the fans. So selfish, so SKT. You are wrong. As a fervent SKT, I am glad they will have more time to practice and see them deliver on saturday. I would even like to see CJ practice more as well and see incredible games. Do you really think fans want to watch poor games due to a lack of practice ?
this. i think any skt fan would prefer to see them in at least one additional round of the playoffs rather than at this stupid group ceremony thing. i would fully understand if cj had decided to pull out of it too.
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On July 15 2010 19:16 Black Gun wrote:Show nested quote +On July 15 2010 19:07 endy wrote:On July 15 2010 19:00 mkchoi0801 wrote: TL mods, never change. I didn't think internet was this easy to piss people off... Fanboyism is awesome. Edit: I'll actually add something to this lol. I'm sure that there have been scheduling conflicts before in the unbelievably long history of starcraft progaming. Did anyone say, 'fuck u fans, im not gonna show up to this cuz i need to practice.' To top it all off, CJ players are showing up. Progaming is nowhere without fans, and SKT just fucked them all in the butt with no lube. They couldn't devote 2 hours of their time to entertain the fans. So selfish, so SKT. You are wrong. As a fervent SKT, I am glad they will have more time to practice and see them deliver on saturday. I would even like to see CJ practice more as well and see incredible games. Do you really think fans want to watch poor games due to a lack of practice ? this. i think any skt fan would prefer to see them in at least one additional round of the playoffs rather than at this stupid group ceremony thing. i would fully understand if cj had decided to pull out of it too.
im not even an skt1 fan (well, not as much as someone with skt1 as their sig) and i would also prefer to see their practise improve their play. group ceremonies are so goddamn boring and i have no clue wtf is going on anyway
however, i watch starcraft because of the starcraft, so i hope the practise skt1 gets in improves their level of play
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I know it was a 'smart' move on SKT's part. But what's the point of progaming, or any other e-sports or sports in general? It's to entertain the fans. They're destroying the only event that's purely entertainment where players get a chance to add personality, trash talk, rivalry into their profile. Had CJ removed their players as well, they would've had looked better. Guess what, CJ just made you guys look like a bunch of tools that NEED practice to win.
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Hungary11279 Posts
I agree with everyone saying that it's a matter of terrible organization. I'd even endorse it if CJ did the same move.
And for everyone saying "they are neglecting their fans":
As a SKT T1 fan, would you rather see your 3 best players on the team fool around at a group selection for 3 hrs or see them perfectly prepared at the playoff matches? This decision is a nobrainer.
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Put all 3 in the same group then!
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why have a group ceremony if none of the players show up?
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konadora
Singapore66155 Posts
Just when Bisu got into OSL lol
Man, SKT just do whatever they want. Like changing MSL schedule, blah blah. sigh, SKT
It is an understandable decision, probably just bad timing
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Well, I thought the STX´s bench decision was stupid, but.. gonna ask TL
Poll: STX Soul (24) 83% SKT1 (5) 17% 29 total votes Your vote: (Vote): SKT1
(Vote): STX Soul
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It will be very funny if SKT lose after this.
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On July 15 2010 17:53 Geo.Rion wrote:Show nested quote +On July 15 2010 17:50 Black Gun wrote:On July 15 2010 17:42 Geo.Rion wrote:
another clue that SC is not an actual sport. If withdrawing players from an official part of an event is possible, the whole event is amateurish sry, but thats bullshit. in professional tennis its absolutely common for players to withdraw from the double competition if they make if suprisingly far in the single competition. in all other professional sports, there is only one organization running the events, or at most 2 diffeferent ones ( football national associations and the uefa) which hold much more contact about planning their events to not collide with each other. the true problem here is that ogn and the proleague dont synchronize their schedules to prevent situations like the one we´re talking about. withdraw from an event is one thing, withdrawing from a part of the event is not possible in professional sports, afaik i edited my original post to make my point more clear
-Entrance ceremonies of the olympics are usually skipped by the athletes which compete in the next couple of days.
-Qualification rounds in ski jumping are quite often skipped by the top 15, even if the qualification determines the single elimination in the first round.
I'm sure there are a lot more of examples for such a behaviour. Nevertheless those acts of skipping part of the events are often heavily discussed with similar reasons as in sc here.
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On July 15 2010 19:24 mkchoi0801 wrote:
I know it was a 'smart' move on SKT's part. But what's the point of progaming, or any other e-sports or sports in general? It's to entertain the fans. They're destroying the only event that's purely entertainment where players get a chance to add personality, trash talk, rivalry into their profile. Had CJ removed their players as well, they would've had looked better. Guess what, CJ just made you guys look like a bunch of tools that NEED practice to win.
No one trash talks or adds rivalry anyways, at least Bisu, Hyuk and Fantasy won't. All they do is have some stupid contest (i.e. drawing or dressing up) and then they pick their groups.. and that's it.
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Hungary11279 Posts
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SKT will lose fans if Bisu, Fantasy, and Hyuk lose their games. They will lose MORE fans if they lose the match.
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I rather see Bisu win..
If i wanted to support a player based on appearances instead of results, Ill be a tossgirl fanboy.
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And people complained about STX's "no-bench" strategy.
This is way worse for the fans.,
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On July 15 2010 15:51 GTR wrote:
oh, cj just announced they will not re-act to skt's retarded decision, and will allow their players effort and hydra to attend the group selection as planned.
Sweet.
Was lookin forward see Bisu after his amazing game against Jaedong @ ShinHan Bank Proleague.
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Reschedule the ceremony. I'm serious.
5 of the 16 players have a play-off match on the very next day (against each other). One of them is the current champ.
I'd say this is significant enough for the ceremony itself to be rescheduled. It'd be pretty understandable.
edit: Oh, just saw they already did. Nice! It would have been a less than exciting ceremony anyway, even if they showed up, because they would have been too busy / tense to party along.
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Canada2480 Posts
On July 15 2010 17:53 Holgerius wrote:Wow, my respect for SKT just went down the drain. That's such a lame move. My respect for CJ went up though. ^__^
weirdly enough the only people supporting SKT's decision have an SKT tag ...
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as much as it would suck to see an OSL group ceremony w/o Bisu and Hyuk (='[) i guess its better for SKT1.
They aren't really as confident and strong team as they were last year (and Bisu still needs to fix his PvP from what I have seen of it), so they kinda need the practice this year.
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On July 15 2010 22:25 swanized wrote:Show nested quote +On July 15 2010 17:53 Holgerius wrote:Wow, my respect for SKT just went down the drain. That's such a lame move. My respect for CJ went up though. ^__^ weirdly enough the only people supporting SKT's decision have an SKT tag ...
Weirder enough the only people complaining are people with an SKT tag and they complain about the "fans" asif theyre talking about themselves.
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On July 15 2010 22:25 swanized wrote:Show nested quote +On July 15 2010 17:53 Holgerius wrote:Wow, my respect for SKT just went down the drain. That's such a lame move. My respect for CJ went up though. ^__^ weirdly enough the only people supporting SKT's decision have an SKT tag ...
Besides the fact that the ceremony was already moved, you have to realize that this decision was up to the coaching staff and management, not the players. Is it Bisu's fault? Hyuk's? Fantasy's? no, they do what they are told. If they were told they had to attend the ceremony and get less practice time, they would.
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United States12607 Posts
See, this is the kind of crap KeSPA should be around to stop. Group Selection is great for the fans and should obviously be required to participate in the OSL.
Shame on T1, but you had to expect a team to try this eventually. The real travesty is that there's nobody standing up to them.
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I'm supporting SKT1 on this one here. They were given 2 days notice for the maps and they want to move on into the next round. I don't follow the ceremonies so I just say go for it, if it means winning your games then do it.
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Well..bummer
Understandable but kinda saddening that they would do this to OGN.
Ooh OSL delayed to the 21st!
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I'm with T1 on this. Their first obligation to themselves and the team is to win games. As a fan, I'd rather have them practice this 3 hours and win the match. This is a good sign and I am glad they are practicing hard.
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So stupid that this is even be nessesary. However, I think it should be the players' decision whether or not they want to attend a CEREMONY.
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On July 15 2010 23:34 Nick_54 wrote:
I'm with T1 on this. Their first obligation to themselves and the team is to win games. As a fan, I'd rather have them practice this 3 hours and win the match. This is a good sign and I am glad they are practicing hard.
Do you realize SK Telecom T1 have gone way overboard when it comes to prioritizing team obligations over the schedules of their players before this incident? They once forced their players to actually withdraw from participating in individual league qualifiers just because the team was underachieving in the Proleague.
SK Telecom T1 has always been a douchebag of a team. I hope they crash and burn.
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On July 15 2010 23:38 XsebT wrote:
So stupid that this is even be nessesary. However, I think it should be the players' decision whether or not they want to attend a CEREMONY.
It is more than just a ceremony. It is for them to select their groups and try to make the groups as favourable as they can be to their advantage and to try to avoid groups of death. Not only that, it is important in the promotion of e-sports and fan service. Without fans, no pro sports can exist.
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On July 15 2010 23:03 moopie wrote:Show nested quote +On July 15 2010 22:25 swanized wrote:On July 15 2010 17:53 Holgerius wrote:Wow, my respect for SKT just went down the drain. That's such a lame move. My respect for CJ went up though. ^__^ weirdly enough the only people supporting SKT's decision have an SKT tag ... Besides the fact that the ceremony was already moved, you have to realize that this decision was up to the coaching staff and management, not the players. Is it Bisu's fault? Hyuk's? Fantasy's? no, they do what they are told. If they were told they had to attend the ceremony and get less practice time, they would.
Wrong. Everyone had a say in the decision, as stated by Manager Jo in the SKT1 interview after the press release.
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That's right PL... yoohs our bitches. You better reschedule! Kings said so.
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On July 15 2010 23:45 Letmelose wrote:Show nested quote +On July 15 2010 23:34 Nick_54 wrote:
I'm with T1 on this. Their first obligation to themselves and the team is to win games. As a fan, I'd rather have them practice this 3 hours and win the match. This is a good sign and I am glad they are practicing hard. Do you realize SK Telecom T1 have gone way overboard when it comes to prioritizing team obligations over the schedules of their players before this incident? They once forced their players to actually withdraw from participating in individual league qualifiers just because the team was underachieving in the Proleague. SK Telecom T1 has always been a douchebag of a team. I hope they crash and burn.
It was only the MSL, not the OSL.
They did what they had to do to reach their goals according to their priority, and to the rules of the (e)sport, that is as simple as that. One just needs to look at their success and their fan count to see that does work quite well.
Btw, this time, they may have made a move that will actually change OGN's habits of organizing ceremonies at terrible timings. This would be a very good thing.
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I standby T1's decision here as well. I clearly don't understand all of you people saying SKT1 should be DQ or there should be punished for pulling such a stunt. IT'S THE NIGHT BEFORE PROLEAGUE PLAYOFF. So let's see... it starts at 6:30 meaning they gotta arrive around an hour early (5:30), probably end and pack up and go home like 11-12? But geez, look, PO first day is at 1 PM next day. So where's the sleep schedule and practice for maps that was only released 2 days before?
IMO, the ones who are against such a decision with a hard on are ignorant here. Not saying SKT1 decision was the best but they even decided for OGN to choose their group for them if all fails. Seriously, this thread...
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On July 16 2010 00:02 PoP wrote:Show nested quote +On July 15 2010 23:45 Letmelose wrote:On July 15 2010 23:34 Nick_54 wrote:
I'm with T1 on this. Their first obligation to themselves and the team is to win games. As a fan, I'd rather have them practice this 3 hours and win the match. This is a good sign and I am glad they are practicing hard. Do you realize SK Telecom T1 have gone way overboard when it comes to prioritizing team obligations over the schedules of their players before this incident? They once forced their players to actually withdraw from participating in individual league qualifiers just because the team was underachieving in the Proleague. SK Telecom T1 has always been a douchebag of a team. I hope they crash and burn. It was only the MSL, not the OSL. They did what they had to do to reach their goals according to their priority, and to the rules of the (e)sport, that is as simple as that. One just needs to look at their success and their fan count to see that does work quite well. Btw, this time, they may have made a move that will actually change OGN's habits of organizing ceremonies at terrible timings. This would be a very good thing.
Yup. SK Telecom T1 do what they can to get the job done. They isolate themselves from the other teams, strut like they own the scene, steal the best players from other teams with their superior funding and just make rash decisions that are only beneficial from the team's point of view.
The only reason SK Telecom T1 has so much fans is because they are the most approachable team from an idiot's point of view what with the man dressed as a huge headed robot or whatever the hell it's supposed to be, being sponsored by one of the most well known company in Korea, and having a really good looking guy (bought off a financially crippled team, so typical) as the star player to attract teenage girls. Okay, being a very successful team helps also (being the home team of Boxer doesn't quite have the effect that it once had several years ago). Don't pretend that it's decisions like this that got SK Telecom T1 its massive fan count.
What if OGN didn't change their schedule? It's always easy to say that the decision was right in retrospect once everything turns out fine. SK Telecom T1 didn't give two shits about the fans, the players and certainly not the other teams. Had OGN been stubborn with its schedule, the entire situation would have been very messy indeed.
Whatever though. SK Telecom T1 rules the scene with an iron fist and does what it pleases. I think they're assholes in need of some serious head pounding.
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Lol guys look at the link posted at the top of the last page... It's been rescheduled already.
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Well that was a bizarre turn of events. OGN caves and I guess everything works it out in the end. It's just confusing because whatever happened, it was symmetric in that both teams had the same amount of time to prepare. SKT trying to cheat a little by getting a few extra hours is kind of unfair, and CJ was the class act by agreeing to participate anyway. Not cool.
Having all the all-stars in the same room is the important part of the group ceremony.
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On July 16 2010 00:43 MangoTango wrote:
Well that was a bizarre turn of events. OGN caves and I guess everything works it out in the end. It's just confusing because whatever happened, it was symmetric in that both teams had the same amount of time to prepare. SKT trying to cheat a little by getting a few extra hours is kind of unfair, and CJ was the class act by agreeing to participate anyway. Not cool.
Having all the all-stars in the same room is the important part of the group ceremony.
CJ also considered pulling out, but in the end let their players participate. The primary reason, I believe, was that EffOrt was last season's winner.
Don't think that CJ hated SKT1's decision 100% however. CJ criticized OGN for setting Group Ceremony on such date.
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On July 15 2010 16:36 Avidkeystamper wrote:Show nested quote +On July 15 2010 16:09 nextstep wrote:
i don't know about all the hate, their reason is pretty understandable.
if you had an exam in two days, and your friends ask you to play basketball with them tomorrow.
if you don't play basketball, your friends are missing a player, and can't play without you, or they can play, but it will be weird with a missing player.
i can totally understand if you wanted to study for the exam instead of playing.
if anything, blame the planner/scheduler.
they shouldn't have scheduled the ceremony and the playoffs so close to each other. How about if you had an exam you knew was coming for months, and your friend asked you to play basketball for one day. That's a more reasonable comparison. Oh, and it's your job to take this exam, so it's not like you were slacking off. And you've been having practice exams of the same sort for over a year.
looks like my friends decided my exam was more important, and decided to reschedule the basketball game
anyways, you can never be "too" prepared. everyone knows that last minute crunching is the most effective way to remember things in the short term. nothing wrong about doing last minute preparations.
nice decision by OGN.
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On July 16 2010 00:31 Letmelose wrote:Show nested quote +On July 16 2010 00:02 PoP wrote:On July 15 2010 23:45 Letmelose wrote:On July 15 2010 23:34 Nick_54 wrote:
I'm with T1 on this. Their first obligation to themselves and the team is to win games. As a fan, I'd rather have them practice this 3 hours and win the match. This is a good sign and I am glad they are practicing hard. Do you realize SK Telecom T1 have gone way overboard when it comes to prioritizing team obligations over the schedules of their players before this incident? They once forced their players to actually withdraw from participating in individual league qualifiers just because the team was underachieving in the Proleague. SK Telecom T1 has always been a douchebag of a team. I hope they crash and burn. It was only the MSL, not the OSL. They did what they had to do to reach their goals according to their priority, and to the rules of the (e)sport, that is as simple as that. One just needs to look at their success and their fan count to see that does work quite well. Btw, this time, they may have made a move that will actually change OGN's habits of organizing ceremonies at terrible timings. This would be a very good thing. Yup. SK Telecom T1 do what they can to get the job done. They isolate themselves from the other teams, strut like they own the scene, steal the best players from other teams with their superior funding and just make rash decisions that are only beneficial from the team's point of view. The only reason SK Telecom T1 has so much fans is because they are the most approachable team from an idiot's point of view what with the man dressed as a huge headed robot or whatever the hell it's supposed to be, being sponsored by one of the most well known company in Korea, and having a really good looking guy (bought off a financially crippled team, so typical) as the star player to attract teenage girls. Okay, being a very successful team helps also (being the home team of Boxer doesn't quite have the effect that it once had several years ago). Don't pretend that it's decisions like this that got SK Telecom T1 its massive fan count. What if OGN didn't change their schedule? It's always easy to say that the decision was right in retrospect once everything turns out fine. SK Telecom T1 didn't give two shits about the fans, the players and certainly not the other teams. Had OGN been stubborn with its schedule, the entire situation would have been very messy indeed. Whatever though. SK Telecom T1 rules the scene with an iron fist and does what it pleases. I think they're assholes in need of some serious head pounding.
Good looking guy? From financially crippled team? Attract teenage girl? Bisu?
Ah...
No, he is not the reason I am SKT T1 fan keke. It is BoxeR. If BoxeR change team I will change too.
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Yes, but it was neither in yours or my hypothetical scenario. "everyone knows that last minute crunching is the most effective way to remember things in the short term." Everyone also knows that assuming you've been studying diligently, you should take the last day off to rest before a big test. Ofc, this is rarely done irl for obvious reasons.
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On July 16 2010 00:31 Letmelose wrote:Show nested quote +On July 16 2010 00:02 PoP wrote:On July 15 2010 23:45 Letmelose wrote:On July 15 2010 23:34 Nick_54 wrote:
I'm with T1 on this. Their first obligation to themselves and the team is to win games. As a fan, I'd rather have them practice this 3 hours and win the match. This is a good sign and I am glad they are practicing hard. Do you realize SK Telecom T1 have gone way overboard when it comes to prioritizing team obligations over the schedules of their players before this incident? They once forced their players to actually withdraw from participating in individual league qualifiers just because the team was underachieving in the Proleague. SK Telecom T1 has always been a douchebag of a team. I hope they crash and burn. It was only the MSL, not the OSL. They did what they had to do to reach their goals according to their priority, and to the rules of the (e)sport, that is as simple as that. One just needs to look at their success and their fan count to see that does work quite well. Btw, this time, they may have made a move that will actually change OGN's habits of organizing ceremonies at terrible timings. This would be a very good thing. Yup. SK Telecom T1 do what they can to get the job done. They isolate themselves from the other teams, strut like they own the scene, steal the best players from other teams with their superior funding and just make rash decisions that are only beneficial from the team's point of view. The only reason SK Telecom T1 has so much fans is because they are the most approachable team from an idiot's point of view what with the man dressed as a huge headed robot or whatever the hell it's supposed to be, being sponsored by one of the most well known company in Korea, and having a really good looking guy (bought off a financially crippled team, so typical) as the star player to attract teenage girls. Okay, being a very successful team helps also (being the home team of Boxer doesn't quite have the effect that it once had several years ago). Don't pretend that it's decisions like this that got SK Telecom T1 its massive fan count. What if OGN didn't change their schedule? It's always easy to say that the decision was right in retrospect once everything turns out fine. SK Telecom T1 didn't give two shits about the fans, the players and certainly not the other teams. Had OGN been stubborn with its schedule, the entire situation would have been very messy indeed. Whatever though. SK Telecom T1 rules the scene with an iron fist and does what it pleases. I think they're assholes in need of some serious head pounding.
wtf.
This is so wrong and over exaggerated in every regard I have no idea how to answer this. You seriously need to chill out.
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This just shows SKT1 was scared out of their pants because they had to play CJ. Losing 3 hours of practice time would be "suicide." You betta win now.
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On July 16 2010 00:31 Letmelose wrote:
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The only reason SK Telecom T1 has so much fans is because they are the most approachable team from an idiot's point of view what with the man dressed as a huge headed robot or whatever the hell it's supposed to be, being sponsored by one of the most well known company in Korea, and having a really good looking guy (bought off a financially crippled team, so typical) as the star player to attract teenage girls. Okay, being a very successful team helps also (being the home team of Boxer doesn't quite have the effect that it once had several years ago). Don't pretend that it's decisions like this that got SK Telecom T1 its massive fan count.
The true reason I love this team is becouse they spawned the most entertaining terrans on earth (minus Canata XD), and i dont have to care about Zerg fans point of wiev.
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On July 16 2010 00:58 XiaoJoyce- wrote:Show nested quote +On July 16 2010 00:31 Letmelose wrote:On July 16 2010 00:02 PoP wrote:On July 15 2010 23:45 Letmelose wrote:On July 15 2010 23:34 Nick_54 wrote:
I'm with T1 on this. Their first obligation to themselves and the team is to win games. As a fan, I'd rather have them practice this 3 hours and win the match. This is a good sign and I am glad they are practicing hard. Do you realize SK Telecom T1 have gone way overboard when it comes to prioritizing team obligations over the schedules of their players before this incident? They once forced their players to actually withdraw from participating in individual league qualifiers just because the team was underachieving in the Proleague. SK Telecom T1 has always been a douchebag of a team. I hope they crash and burn. It was only the MSL, not the OSL. They did what they had to do to reach their goals according to their priority, and to the rules of the (e)sport, that is as simple as that. One just needs to look at their success and their fan count to see that does work quite well. Btw, this time, they may have made a move that will actually change OGN's habits of organizing ceremonies at terrible timings. This would be a very good thing. Yup. SK Telecom T1 do what they can to get the job done. They isolate themselves from the other teams, strut like they own the scene, steal the best players from other teams with their superior funding and just make rash decisions that are only beneficial from the team's point of view. The only reason SK Telecom T1 has so much fans is because they are the most approachable team from an idiot's point of view what with the man dressed as a huge headed robot or whatever the hell it's supposed to be, being sponsored by one of the most well known company in Korea, and having a really good looking guy (bought off a financially crippled team, so typical) as the star player to attract teenage girls. Okay, being a very successful team helps also (being the home team of Boxer doesn't quite have the effect that it once had several years ago). Don't pretend that it's decisions like this that got SK Telecom T1 its massive fan count. What if OGN didn't change their schedule? It's always easy to say that the decision was right in retrospect once everything turns out fine. SK Telecom T1 didn't give two shits about the fans, the players and certainly not the other teams. Had OGN been stubborn with its schedule, the entire situation would have been very messy indeed. Whatever though. SK Telecom T1 rules the scene with an iron fist and does what it pleases. I think they're assholes in need of some serious head pounding. Good looking guy? From financially crippled team? Attract teenage girl? Bisu? Ah... No, he is not the reason I am SKT T1 fan keke. It is BoxeR. If BoxeR change team I will change too.
Congratulations for being exception to the rule. Want a cookie?
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On July 16 2010 01:19 darkmetal505 wrote:
This just shows SKT1 was scared out of their pants because they had to play CJ. Losing 3 hours of practice time would be "suicide." You betta win now.
I have to agree with this.
would that 3-6 hours make a difference? Its like cramming a night before a exam.
Besides, there playoff is a two-parter. Does it mean for the people that play on the second day dont have to attend to the first day?
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On July 15 2010 23:51 supernovamaniac wrote:Show nested quote +On July 15 2010 23:03 moopie wrote:On July 15 2010 22:25 swanized wrote:On July 15 2010 17:53 Holgerius wrote:Wow, my respect for SKT just went down the drain. That's such a lame move. My respect for CJ went up though. ^__^ weirdly enough the only people supporting SKT's decision have an SKT tag ... Besides the fact that the ceremony was already moved, you have to realize that this decision was up to the coaching staff and management, not the players. Is it Bisu's fault? Hyuk's? Fantasy's? no, they do what they are told. If they were told they had to attend the ceremony and get less practice time, they would. Wrong. Everyone had a say in the decision, as stated by Manager Jo in the SKT1 interview after the press release.
Yes, and he can say what he wants (sounds a lot better to state it was a uniform decision rather than 'evil management dictating how it is'), but from past situations with the teams/players, when the players are told to do something (in this case, the set schedule), they do so. Sure if the coach goes "hey, would you prefer x or y?" they would probably say so, but again, in the end the choice is not up to them.
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On July 16 2010 01:10 PoP wrote:Show nested quote +On July 16 2010 00:31 Letmelose wrote:On July 16 2010 00:02 PoP wrote:On July 15 2010 23:45 Letmelose wrote:On July 15 2010 23:34 Nick_54 wrote:
I'm with T1 on this. Their first obligation to themselves and the team is to win games. As a fan, I'd rather have them practice this 3 hours and win the match. This is a good sign and I am glad they are practicing hard. Do you realize SK Telecom T1 have gone way overboard when it comes to prioritizing team obligations over the schedules of their players before this incident? They once forced their players to actually withdraw from participating in individual league qualifiers just because the team was underachieving in the Proleague. SK Telecom T1 has always been a douchebag of a team. I hope they crash and burn. It was only the MSL, not the OSL. They did what they had to do to reach their goals according to their priority, and to the rules of the (e)sport, that is as simple as that. One just needs to look at their success and their fan count to see that does work quite well. Btw, this time, they may have made a move that will actually change OGN's habits of organizing ceremonies at terrible timings. This would be a very good thing. Yup. SK Telecom T1 do what they can to get the job done. They isolate themselves from the other teams, strut like they own the scene, steal the best players from other teams with their superior funding and just make rash decisions that are only beneficial from the team's point of view. The only reason SK Telecom T1 has so much fans is because they are the most approachable team from an idiot's point of view what with the man dressed as a huge headed robot or whatever the hell it's supposed to be, being sponsored by one of the most well known company in Korea, and having a really good looking guy (bought off a financially crippled team, so typical) as the star player to attract teenage girls. Okay, being a very successful team helps also (being the home team of Boxer doesn't quite have the effect that it once had several years ago). Don't pretend that it's decisions like this that got SK Telecom T1 its massive fan count. What if OGN didn't change their schedule? It's always easy to say that the decision was right in retrospect once everything turns out fine. SK Telecom T1 didn't give two shits about the fans, the players and certainly not the other teams. Had OGN been stubborn with its schedule, the entire situation would have been very messy indeed. Whatever though. SK Telecom T1 rules the scene with an iron fist and does what it pleases. I think they're assholes in need of some serious head pounding. wtf. This is so wrong and over exaggerated in every regard I have no idea how to answer this. You seriously need to chill out.
Look. SK Telecom T1 sucks balls. Don't two step around this like I'm making things up.
1) Forcing players to quit individual league for no other purpose other than to lessen schedule demands is gay.
2) SK Telecom T1's triple crown glory days wouldn't have been possible without Midas. Last year's Proleague triumph wouldn't have been possible without Bisu. Where would SK Telecom T1 be without its mercenaries I wonder.
3) Iloveoov loves to talk trash, and it was bad enough when he was a player (spawned the hatred between Samsung Khan and SK Telecom T1), but he continued that as a coach, someone who is basically one of the major voices of the team. He has no respect, and thinks he's all that. He isn't.
4) Remember how SK Telecom T1 wouldn't allow many of their players to have their games broadcasted on television when they were taking part in offline qualifications. That's gay. Strategic secrecy my ass. There were tons of fans watching just to see the games of their favourite players and I seem to recall only SK Telecom T1 doing this.
I can't think of more, but I think I've explained myself clearly.
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Spenguin
Australia3316 Posts
It's a pretty stupid excuse saying they will only receive the maps two days prior to the playoff, it's not like they've been playing on the maps for the past year, and besides giving your e-athlete a rest before competition would be better than making them practice so hard just before the competition.
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On July 16 2010 01:25 hitthat wrote:Show nested quote +On July 16 2010 00:31 Letmelose wrote:
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The only reason SK Telecom T1 has so much fans is because they are the most approachable team from an idiot's point of view what with the man dressed as a huge headed robot or whatever the hell it's supposed to be, being sponsored by one of the most well known company in Korea, and having a really good looking guy (bought off a financially crippled team, so typical) as the star player to attract teenage girls. Okay, being a very successful team helps also (being the home team of Boxer doesn't quite have the effect that it once had several years ago). Don't pretend that it's decisions like this that got SK Telecom T1 its massive fan count.
The true reason I love this team is becouse they spawned the most entertaining terrans on earth (minus Canata XD), and i dont have to care about Zerg fans point of wiev.
Look, you're not getting what I said. SK Telecom T1 doesn't have legions of fans simply because SK Telecom T1 terrans play slightly differently from other teams. You don't have to prove yourself to me. Go ahead and enjoy the terrific terran lineage of the team.
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SKT not giving a fuck.. im down with it.. sometimes you just have to step up your game.. in other times bisu would come off as a showoff but as he is rising once again he wants to be seen more....
at first i was afraid it was something more serious but after seeing the article.. if SKT doesnt win my o my may the flamewar begin..
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Look, if CJ had Effort, skyhigh and Snow in the OSL, instead of Effort and hydra, they would probably not go to this either.
Have Effort and Hydra go is a lot different than Bisu, Fantasy, and Hyuk going. All three of SKT1's players are practicing to take down Effort, since if it goes to ace match, any of them could be picked. Effort is the only player of importance to that scale for CJ. I'm not saying that hydra is bad, but he isn't an ace match pick.
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On July 16 2010 01:37 Letmelose wrote:Show nested quote +On July 16 2010 01:25 hitthat wrote:On July 16 2010 00:31 Letmelose wrote:
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The only reason SK Telecom T1 has so much fans is because they are the most approachable team from an idiot's point of view what with the man dressed as a huge headed robot or whatever the hell it's supposed to be, being sponsored by one of the most well known company in Korea, and having a really good looking guy (bought off a financially crippled team, so typical) as the star player to attract teenage girls. Okay, being a very successful team helps also (being the home team of Boxer doesn't quite have the effect that it once had several years ago). Don't pretend that it's decisions like this that got SK Telecom T1 its massive fan count.
The true reason I love this team is becouse they spawned the most entertaining terrans on earth (minus Canata XD), and i dont have to care about Zerg fans point of wiev. Look, you're not getting what I said. SK Telecom T1 doesn't have legions of fans simply because SK Telecom T1 terrans play slightly differently from other teams. You don't have to prove yourself to me. Go ahead and enjoy the terrific terran lineage of the team.
I don't see you lasting at TL for a while...
On July 16 2010 01:29 moopie wrote:Show nested quote +On July 15 2010 23:51 supernovamaniac wrote:On July 15 2010 23:03 moopie wrote:On July 15 2010 22:25 swanized wrote:On July 15 2010 17:53 Holgerius wrote:Wow, my respect for SKT just went down the drain. That's such a lame move. My respect for CJ went up though. ^__^ weirdly enough the only people supporting SKT's decision have an SKT tag ... Besides the fact that the ceremony was already moved, you have to realize that this decision was up to the coaching staff and management, not the players. Is it Bisu's fault? Hyuk's? Fantasy's? no, they do what they are told. If they were told they had to attend the ceremony and get less practice time, they would. Wrong. Everyone had a say in the decision, as stated by Manager Jo in the SKT1 interview after the press release. Yes, and he can say what he wants (sounds a lot better to state it was a uniform decision rather than 'evil management dictating how it is'), but from past situations with the teams/players, when the players are told to do something (in this case, the set schedule), they do so. Sure if the coach goes "hey, would you prefer x or y?" they would probably say so, but again, in the end the choice is not up to them.
Yup, the final decision is up to the heads. I was simply stating that the players had their say, since some people were thinking that the heads made the decision without any prior discussion.
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On July 16 2010 01:33 Letmelose wrote:
Look. SK Telecom T1 sucks balls. Don't two step around this like I'm making things up.
You're not making things up, you're just (almost) completely wrong--at least in my opinion. That's all fine though. Not keeping your cool is not. You seem to hate a progaming team passionately, that's your choice. But stop filling your posts with ugly words please. You're a better poster than that.
1) Forcing players to quit individual league for no other purpose other than to lessen schedule demands is gay.
Okay, they did that once, so what? It was probably a kind of punition against the players more than anything else. A way to show them what the priority was. You have to take into consideration the goals the teams set at the beginning of the season. Also, if it can bring better results to the team (which it definitely did), it's still good for the fans and for the game, because people want to see big names in the biggest competition.
I'm not gonna say it was the right move. But it wasn't all that bad at all.
2) SK Telecom T1's triple crown glory days wouldn't have been possible without Midas. Last year's Proleague triumph wouldn't have been possible without Bisu. Where would SK Telecom T1 be without its mercenaries I wonder.
That's a pretty ridiculous comment about the one team that has always been, by far, the most efficient in terms of developing new successful players. I'm now wondering if you're actually serious or just completely trolling. Funny you mention Midas by the way, as he actually developed the most after transferring to T1.
But yeah, teams with money buy players they (think they) need. How dare they.
3) Iloveoov loves to talk trash, and it was bad enough when he was a player (spawned the hatred between Samsung Khan and SK Telecom T1), but he continued that as a coach, someone who is basically one of the major voices of the team. He has no respect, and thinks he's all that. He isn't.
Sources? I've never heard of that since he became a manager.
As a player, the only impression I got is that he would always give completely honest answers, even if that could sound disrespectful to some. You gotta be a little cocky to succeed anyway, don't you think?
4) Remember how SK Telecom T1 wouldn't allow many of their players to have their games broadcasted on television when they were taking part in offline qualifications. That's gay. Strategic secrecy my ass. There were tons of fans watching just to see the games of their favourite players and I seem to recall only SK Telecom T1 doing this.
So what's the reason if it's not strategic secrecy? I doubt most people give two shits about offline prelim games as long as their favorite players qualify. I for one would definitely rather watch some cool strategies during the actual event than missing out on them because everyone knows the counter before the real thing (OSL/MSL, that is) has even started. It's not even close.
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All SKT1 players need to be DQ immediately!!
These selfish moves are unlikely to improve their performance and are making an unfair competitive atmosphere with other teams and are bad for the fans.
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On July 16 2010 02:00 PoP wrote:Show nested quote +On July 16 2010 01:33 Letmelose wrote:
Look. SK Telecom T1 sucks balls. Don't two step around this like I'm making things up.
You're not making things up, you're just (almost) completely wrong--at least in my opinion. That's all fine though. Not keeping your cool is not. You seem to hate a progaming team passionately, that's your choice. But stop filling your posts with ugly words please. You're a better poster than that. Show nested quote +1) Forcing players to quit individual league for no other purpose other than to lessen schedule demands is gay. Okay, they did that once, so what? It was probably a kind of punition against the players more than anything else. A way to show them what the priority was. You have to take into consideration the goals the teams set at the beginning of the season. Also, if it can bring better results to the team (which it definitely did), it's still good for the fans and for the game, because people want to see big names in the biggest competition. I'm not gonna say it was the right move. But it wasn't all that bad at all. Show nested quote +2) SK Telecom T1's triple crown glory days wouldn't have been possible without Midas. Last year's Proleague triumph wouldn't have been possible without Bisu. Where would SK Telecom T1 be without its mercenaries I wonder. That's a pretty ridiculous comment about the one team that has always been, by far, the most efficient in terms of developing new successful players. I'm now wondering if you're actually serious or just completely trolling. Funny you mention Midas by the way, as he actually developed the most after transferring to T1. But yeah, teams with money buy players they (think they) need. How dare they. Show nested quote +3) Iloveoov loves to talk trash, and it was bad enough when he was a player (spawned the hatred between Samsung Khan and SK Telecom T1), but he continued that as a coach, someone who is basically one of the major voices of the team. He has no respect, and thinks he's all that. He isn't. Sources? I've never heard of that since he became a manager. As a player, the only impression I got is that he would always give completely honest answers, even if that could sound disrespectful to some. You gotta be a little cocky to succeed anyway, don't you think? Show nested quote +4) Remember how SK Telecom T1 wouldn't allow many of their players to have their games broadcasted on television when they were taking part in offline qualifications. That's gay. Strategic secrecy my ass. There were tons of fans watching just to see the games of their favourite players and I seem to recall only SK Telecom T1 doing this. So what's the reason if it's not strategic secrecy? I doubt most people give two shits about offline prelim games as long as their favorite players qualify. I for one would definitely rather watch some cool strategies during the actual event than missing out on them because everyone knows the counter before the real thing (OSL/MSL, that is) has even started. It's not even close.
Thinking back, all the points mentioned above have little to do with why I was livid with SK Telecom T1's choice. They're just a bunch of reasons backing up my personal dislike for the team; I could argue these points all day, but I'd rather not at this point. I wasn't thinking straight, and was spewing out hate.
The point is, SK Telecom T1's decision was made on its own accord without any consideration whatsoever. Yes, the schedule management was very amateur-like. That's for Kespa and OGN to sort out in the future. But when a team just decides to pull out of things simply for its convinience without consulting the fans who waited, other teams and production memebers involved, just goes to show you how little respect they have for other people that make up the E-Sports industry. It's this attitude that makes me dislike them, and yes I did embellish a little to make them more "evil" than they really are, but I felt the need to go a little overboard in light of all the SK Telecom T1 fans defending their team simply because.
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Now karma will strike back on SKT and they will lose that game on 17th.
Seriously, a poor decision by SKT and poor management by OGN,
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lol well its cool to let them slide.
imo DQ is too harsh, but i'd rather they be put in the same group
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Good to see that SKT1 players will now be at the group selection ceremony.
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I hope KeSPA (team sponsors as well as team managers) will prevent such absences in the future.
Viewers need to feel connected with their players. We can't have two teams staying in their waiting rooms during a Proleague match, nor players staying in their progaming houses during a starleague ceremony; rare open discussion between players and viewers.
EDIT: I just noticed the rescheduled date. The ceremony problem has been solved already. lol
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DQ the SKT1 players.
suck it up SKT1. CJ do not follow suit.
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On July 16 2010 02:47 Mykill wrote:
DQ the SKT1 players.
suck it up SKT1. CJ do not follow suit.
If EffOrt was not the winner, they had the intention to follow.
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On July 16 2010 00:58 XiaoJoyce- wrote:Show nested quote +On July 16 2010 00:31 Letmelose wrote:On July 16 2010 00:02 PoP wrote:On July 15 2010 23:45 Letmelose wrote:On July 15 2010 23:34 Nick_54 wrote:
I'm with T1 on this. Their first obligation to themselves and the team is to win games. As a fan, I'd rather have them practice this 3 hours and win the match. This is a good sign and I am glad they are practicing hard. Do you realize SK Telecom T1 have gone way overboard when it comes to prioritizing team obligations over the schedules of their players before this incident? They once forced their players to actually withdraw from participating in individual league qualifiers just because the team was underachieving in the Proleague. SK Telecom T1 has always been a douchebag of a team. I hope they crash and burn. It was only the MSL, not the OSL. They did what they had to do to reach their goals according to their priority, and to the rules of the (e)sport, that is as simple as that. One just needs to look at their success and their fan count to see that does work quite well. Btw, this time, they may have made a move that will actually change OGN's habits of organizing ceremonies at terrible timings. This would be a very good thing. Yup. SK Telecom T1 do what they can to get the job done. They isolate themselves from the other teams, strut like they own the scene, steal the best players from other teams with their superior funding and just make rash decisions that are only beneficial from the team's point of view. The only reason SK Telecom T1 has so much fans is because they are the most approachable team from an idiot's point of view what with the man dressed as a huge headed robot or whatever the hell it's supposed to be, being sponsored by one of the most well known company in Korea, and having a really good looking guy (bought off a financially crippled team, so typical) as the star player to attract teenage girls. Okay, being a very successful team helps also (being the home team of Boxer doesn't quite have the effect that it once had several years ago). Don't pretend that it's decisions like this that got SK Telecom T1 its massive fan count. What if OGN didn't change their schedule? It's always easy to say that the decision was right in retrospect once everything turns out fine. SK Telecom T1 didn't give two shits about the fans, the players and certainly not the other teams. Had OGN been stubborn with its schedule, the entire situation would have been very messy indeed. Whatever though. SK Telecom T1 rules the scene with an iron fist and does what it pleases. I think they're assholes in need of some serious head pounding. Good looking guy? From financially crippled team? Attract teenage girl? Bisu? Ah... No, he is not the reason I am SKT T1 fan keke. It is BoxeR. If BoxeR change team I will change too.
to the SKT1 flamer dont be so jealous I became a skt fan cause of boxer and cause of oov, and cause of the HISTORY behind SKT1 so dont put everyone in the same bag.. I may have a low post count but that does not reflect how much i Follow my team and Why do I follow my team.. I loved the old KTF players and I still do but SKT1 just before playoffs and the finals last year made me such a happy fan.... to XiaoJoyce Boxer is SKT1.. hehehe
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don't know why people are getting so worked up... these players have been preparing all year for the proleague playoffs. If given a choice between group selection and proleague preparation, which one would you guys choose?
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Uhm, this is an extremely selfish move on SKT1's part. Of course every team would like to skip the Group Ceremony and get more practice. Do other teams choose to ditch out an event that has been a tradition for years and something that fans really enjoy? Even if they have the right to do this, it's just not cool to do this type of thing. I am irritated by T1's decision. In a way, the group ceremony is a responsibility/opportunity for players to provide back to the community and the fans. I don't know. Go to sleep a couple hours later and go to the event they are supposed to.
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On July 15 2010 15:44 razorsuKe wrote:
typical SKT leadership, doing anything it takes to win, giving a big "fuck you" to everyone else. -_-
Isn't that the right thing to do? I mean, in light of the fact that they were given the maps (order) only 2 days in advance ...
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but the weirdest thing is that SKT just fired their whole B team... so who are they so gung ho to practice with now?
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On July 16 2010 05:04 amazingoopah wrote:but the weirdest thing is that SKT just fired their whole B team... so who are they so gung ho to practice with now?
Each other?
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"but we only received the maps 2 days before our match."
Did people just miss this? IMO this is proleague's fuckup. If you only have two days to practice, you spend them practicing.
One way for OGN to "punish" SKT would be to put all their people in one group
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On July 15 2010 23:46 lone_hydra wrote:Show nested quote +On July 15 2010 23:38 XsebT wrote:
So stupid that this is even be nessesary. However, I think it should be the players' decision whether or not they want to attend a CEREMONY. It is more than just a ceremony. It is for them to select their groups and try to make the groups as favourable as they can be to their advantage and to try to avoid groups of death. Not only that, it is important in the promotion of e-sports and fan service. Without fans, no pro sports can exist.
At best, you can try to get youself in a favorable position (group-wise), but the outcome is still somewhat random, since every players get to move themselves or other players around.
Nevertheless, I still find the actual tournaments more important.
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On July 16 2010 05:30 Djabanete wrote:"but we only received the maps 2 days before our match." Did people just miss this? IMO this is proleague's fuckup. If you only have two days to practice, you spend them practicing. One way for OGN to "punish" SKT would be to put all their people in one group
Seriously, I really believe that this just shows that there was an organizational fuck-up and while everyone was pissed SKT was the worst off because they were losing the most. All of their players that would be at the ceremony would probably be fielded. So they made a statement and OGN realized they couldn't get away with fucking over the players and had to back down.
Way to go SKT1, way to show some balls.
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I vote for Disqualification. Poll please???
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On July 16 2010 04:56 alexpnd wrote:Show nested quote +On July 15 2010 15:44 razorsuKe wrote:
typical SKT leadership, doing anything it takes to win, giving a big "fuck you" to everyone else. -_- Isn't that the right thing to do? I mean, in light of the fact that they were given the maps (order) only 2 days in advance ...
I think people have forgotten that E-Sports is an ENTERTAINMENT industry and without the fans you have nothing.
So yea I think giving a big "fuck you" to the people that make it possible for you to exist is a very bad idea. It's the most extreme version of biting the hand that feeds you.
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We can be selfish because we are the best. Deal with it. !!!! You just wish your team had the balls to jerk around events like we do. Haters gonna hate.
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On July 15 2010 15:49 Ftrunkz wrote:
retarded decision... they cant take 2 hours from practice to relax and do something they probably enjoy? :\
this.
The extra practice time they've just gained is definitely not worth the bad rep and possible dq from OSL. Really retarded decision by the coach.
It'd be funny if CJ beats them even though they went to the ceremony.
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I'm confused, they would have lost a night of practice anyway, it's simply another day, which happens to be closer to the actual match.. So where's this 'lack of practice' or whatever if they already knew they would be one night down (Also keeping in mind other teams have to do the same..)
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On July 16 2010 06:48 EpiK wrote:Show nested quote +On July 15 2010 15:49 Ftrunkz wrote:
retarded decision... they cant take 2 hours from practice to relax and do something they probably enjoy? :\ this. The extra practice time they've just gained is definitely not worth the bad rep and possible dq from OSL. Really retarded decision by the coach. It'd be funny if CJ beats them even though they went to the ceremony.
Yeah, so uh, DQ from OSL, not happening. The thread is over, people. OSL organizers rescheduled. No conflict now. Everyone just chill out.
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On July 16 2010 07:03 MangoTango wrote:Show nested quote +On July 16 2010 06:48 EpiK wrote:On July 15 2010 15:49 Ftrunkz wrote:
retarded decision... they cant take 2 hours from practice to relax and do something they probably enjoy? :\ this. The extra practice time they've just gained is definitely not worth the bad rep and possible dq from OSL. Really retarded decision by the coach. It'd be funny if CJ beats them even though they went to the ceremony. Yeah, so uh, DQ from OSL, not happening. The thread is over, people. OSL organizers rescheduled. No conflict now. Everyone just chill out.
And with this most fitting remark, I think this thread deserves a lock.
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