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On June 29 2010 14:15 Lightwip wrote:Show nested quote +On June 29 2010 13:58 MuffinDude wrote:On June 29 2010 01:38 Lightwip wrote:On June 29 2010 00:23 MuffinDude wrote:On June 27 2010 15:44 Lightwip wrote:On June 27 2010 15:16 matjlav wrote:On June 27 2010 15:07 Eiserne wrote:On June 27 2010 12:14 matjlav wrote:
I still believe in MBC for #2!
Of course, if they're #3, that will just be more games that I get to see them play ^^ MBC is now no. 4... ffffuuuuu- oh well, i still believe. kind of. mbc vs skt will be pretty important. SKT is just about exactly the same thing Khan is, except they have better protoss, and a terran that doesn't suck. What do you expect to happen? Now that statement is entirely your opinion. SKT has better terran, but khan has better zerg, and better protoss? I don't know about that. Best, Bisu, Jangbi, Stork weren't winning many games until this round started. Jangbi I'd say is overall worse than Best, and Stork isn't doing as well as Bisu right now. That's debatable I suppose, but I think it's in favor of SKT. Great is better than Hyuk, but s2 is better than Juni. Zerg is about equal. Terran of course doesn't even compare. SKT wins that. Also SKT has better results recently, so they probably will do better. Best better than jangbi is complete bull, jangbi and best both has been sucking for the longest time, only recently has best started winning games. At least jangbi was winning games every so often while best was out of the picture for a while. And bisu only played one or two games in pl after he made his "comeback" unlike stork whose been playing the whole entire time. You can't just randomly conclude bisu is better than stork after watching one or two games. And great is ace match quality while skt zergs are far from it. And skt has better record than khan recently? They're both 6-1 in r5, wtf r u smoking? Flaming makes you cool. Best is overall better than Jangbi, if you see by their records, because Best has better PvT and PvP, and Jangbi's PvZ isn't that much better. And I don't think you could argue that Bisu is worse than stork if they both are at their top, except in PvT. Stork lost to some SKT Zerg recently as well, who are apparently garbage. And Hyuk is fairly good, he's won aces(one vs STX in R4 against Clam), even though he's not quite as good as great, but he wins consistently nowadays. Also SKT has SoO, who is about as good as Juni IMO(he beat stork). Although I suppose you could argue that SoO really isn't that much of an advantage because Khan also has Brave. The fact that SKT also has a good terran in their lineup is just about all that's necessary to show that SKT is the better team right now. Hmm, Khan is actually doing better than I thought they were though. It might be good if they make the playoffs instead of CJ. I like both teams, I really can't say which one I'd hope to make it.
At their current state, I personally think JangBi and Stork are better than Bisu.
Stork lost to a SKT Zerg? Bisu lost to Juni in April..
Just because Bisu has a better overall record than Stork/JangBi, doesn't mean much compared to the way he's been playing. His last win against a high class player was in April against Leta and if I remember correctly, he pulled some 2 gate.
During his latest "winning streak", he's beaten Mind, Hyvaa and RorO in an ace match. Compared to who Stork has been playing all this time (Sea, really and Midas comes to mind), that's not much to be proud of. Bisu may have a better overall record but you can't deny his sloppy play as of late.
I'm not saying JangBi is better than Best but in my eyes, they're pretty much equal.
Both Khan and SKT are on hot streaks atm, and a large part of SKT's success isn't because of Bisu. SKT zergs and Fantasy have been stepping up in his absence.
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i'm a die-hard KHAN fan, but even i'd have to admit SKT is overall slightly better than KHAN.
i think Jangbi + Stork is slightly better than Best + Bisu.
Bisu only recently started recovering from a giant slump, while Stork has been very decent consistently. Jangbi and Best negate each other imo, each being better than each other at some points, and about dead even now i'd say.
Great has been on fire, and even before this hot streak, was decent (at least better than all the SKT zergs). This is negated by Fantasy though, and if not for Great's current performance, Fantasy would definitely edge it for SKT between the two.
However, that's the extent of KHAN.
Jangbi, Stork, Great, Brave have been performing for KHAN, while Bisu, Best, Fantasy, Hyuk, s2, soO have been good for SKT.
top 4 are pretty even, but after that it goes kinda downhill for KHAN.
nevertheless, go KHAN!
still praying for you every night~
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I love CJ. 
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CJ will destroy everything (until the finals of course which will end in an epic ace match with flash destroying something)
The only sad thing about this is kahn not making it, but if we're lucky, kahn will take wemade's spot...
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Sadly, Khan is probably done .
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Standings after CJ vs Fox and Estro vs STX:
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KT 35-16 (+44)
STX 32-20 (+13)
SKT 29-22 (+16)
MBC 29-22 (+15)
CJ 29-24 (+5)
FOX 28-24 (+17)
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KHAN 26-25 (-8)
OZ 25-26 (-4)
WSRS 25-27 (+10)
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well khan has to play fox, so fox has to lose 1 other game! gogo
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Who is fox playing before the match vs khan? Where can i see the full schedule?
If everything goes well, the 6th spot will be decided in the Fox vs Khan match and not before
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On June 29 2010 21:17 JohannesH wrote:
Who is fox playing before the match vs khan? Where can i see the full schedule?
If everything goes well, the 6th spot will be decided in the Fox vs Khan match and not before
FOX plays versus ACE and Woongjin before they play KHAN. You can look schedule in calendar, just click it and search it there
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Is there any sort of HCA? I mean, if not, ending 5th or 6th doesn't matter at all.
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On June 29 2010 22:48 RamenStyle wrote:
Is there any sort of HCA? I mean, if not, ending 5th or 6th doesn't matter at all.
well, whoever's 6th at this rate will get destroyed by skt in the first round. or they could get lucky and see stx drop from 2nd.
i'm pretty sure that things arent going to change anymore though. i mean that only in that these six teams will be the six going to the playoffs.
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Now everything hangs on CJ either bombing totally or Wemade losing to either Ace or Stars... ugh
Ofc thats assuming Khan can win the rest of their matches wich includes wemade and kt.
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ugh, i wake up to find some quite saddening results :S
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hmm, it's actually not that bad.
the WeMade game will be crucial depending on how well KHAN and WeMade play in between.
if WeMade wins both ACE and Stars game, then KHAN is out, even if WeMade loses to KHAN in the final match (since they will have the same record, but worse point differential).
if WeMade loses one of the ACE or Stars game, and KHAN wins against all three games against Hite, Oz, and KT (an highly improbable task, but if they do it would make for quite a story), then the game between WeMade and KHAN will be the deciding factor.
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either that, or CJ loses its last 2 games, and KHAN wins its last 4 games... :S
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Considering that SKT zergs are actually a force to be reckoned with, SKT's overall strength may potentially be greater than last season if Bisu's revival is completed.
The funny part is, SKT didn't actually need Bisu in last year's final. Hyuk actually contributed more by defeating Jaedong while Bisu only had the chance to rape Perfectman ezpz in style.
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On June 30 2010 02:16 dukethegold wrote:
Considering that SKT zergs are actually a force to be reckoned with, SKT's overall strength may potentially be greater than last season if Bisu's revival is completed.
The funny part is, SKT didn't actually need Bisu in last year's final. Hyuk actually contributed more by defeating Jaedong while Bisu only had the chance to rape Perfectman ezpz in style.
that and in a well prepared Bo1 , Fantasy or any SKT Terran is unbeatable by Zerg
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On June 30 2010 02:16 dukethegold wrote:
Considering that SKT zergs are actually a force to be reckoned with, SKT's overall strength may potentially be greater than last season if Bisu's revival is completed.
The funny part is, SKT didn't actually need Bisu in last year's final. Hyuk actually contributed more by defeating Jaedong while Bisu only had the chance to rape Perfectman ezpz in style.
Actually, one of of the reasons why Fantasy could comfortably pull off such cheese against Jaedong in the ace match, is because SKT still got Bisu for the Super ACE. If Bisu hadn't been there, I highly doubt T1 would have taken such high risk.
So you can't really say Bisu didn't do much in last year's grand final.
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On June 30 2010 02:38 nayumi wrote:Show nested quote +On June 30 2010 02:16 dukethegold wrote:
Considering that SKT zergs are actually a force to be reckoned with, SKT's overall strength may potentially be greater than last season if Bisu's revival is completed.
The funny part is, SKT didn't actually need Bisu in last year's final. Hyuk actually contributed more by defeating Jaedong while Bisu only had the chance to rape Perfectman ezpz in style. Actually, one of of the reasons why Fantasy could comfortably pull off such cheese against Jaedong in the ace match, is because SKT still got Bisu for the Super ACE. If Bisu hadn't been there, I highly doubt T1 would have taken such high risk. So you can't really say Bisu didn't do much in last year's grand final.
Well said. It was definitely this and some people seem to forget that the real ace wasn't Fantasy but BIsu and if it went to Super Ace and had Bisu beat JD, he would have been crowned MVP and not Fantasy. Also, BoxeR and oov set a plan against that match where BoxeR gave him that strategy but had OZ fooled by having Fantasy talking to Oov thinking of a secret macro oriented build rather than micro cheese oriented.
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Khan always make hero recoveries in the last round only to fall just short of qualifying.
Why the hell they can't play decently in the earlier rounds is beyond me.
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