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Divine[aX]
Profile Joined April 2010
Canada161 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-06-29 05:58:03
June 29 2010 05:57 GMT
#141
On June 29 2010 14:15 Lightwip wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 29 2010 13:58 MuffinDude wrote:
On June 29 2010 01:38 Lightwip wrote:
On June 29 2010 00:23 MuffinDude wrote:
On June 27 2010 15:44 Lightwip wrote:
On June 27 2010 15:16 matjlav wrote:
On June 27 2010 15:07 Eiserne wrote:
On June 27 2010 12:14 matjlav wrote:
I still believe in MBC for #2!

Of course, if they're #3, that will just be more games that I get to see them play ^^

MBC is now no. 4...


ffffuuuuu-

oh well, i still believe. kind of. mbc vs skt will be pretty important.

SKT is just about exactly the same thing Khan is, except they have better protoss, and a terran that doesn't suck. What do you expect to happen?

Now that statement is entirely your opinion. SKT has better terran, but khan has better zerg, and better protoss? I don't know about that. Best, Bisu, Jangbi, Stork weren't winning many games until this round started.

Jangbi I'd say is overall worse than Best, and Stork isn't doing as well as Bisu right now. That's debatable I suppose, but I think it's in favor of SKT.
Great is better than Hyuk, but s2 is better than Juni. Zerg is about equal.
Terran of course doesn't even compare. SKT wins that.
Also SKT has better results recently, so they probably will do better.

Best better than jangbi is complete bull, jangbi and best both has been sucking for the longest time, only recently has best started winning games. At least jangbi was winning games every so often while best was out of the picture for a while. And bisu only played one or two games in pl after he made his "comeback" unlike stork whose been playing the whole entire time. You can't just randomly conclude bisu is better than stork after watching one or two games. And great is ace match quality while skt zergs are far from it.

And skt has better record than khan recently? They're both 6-1 in r5, wtf r u smoking?

Flaming makes you cool.
Best is overall better than Jangbi, if you see by their records, because Best has better PvT and PvP, and Jangbi's PvZ isn't that much better. And I don't think you could argue that Bisu is worse than stork if they both are at their top, except in PvT. Stork lost to some SKT Zerg recently as well, who are apparently garbage. And Hyuk is fairly good, he's won aces(one vs STX in R4 against Clam), even though he's not quite as good as great, but he wins consistently nowadays. Also SKT has SoO, who is about as good as Juni IMO(he beat stork). Although I suppose you could argue that SoO really isn't that much of an advantage because Khan also has Brave.
The fact that SKT also has a good terran in their lineup is just about all that's necessary to show that SKT is the better team right now.
Hmm, Khan is actually doing better than I thought they were though. It might be good if they make the playoffs instead of CJ. I like both teams, I really can't say which one I'd hope to make it.


At their current state, I personally think JangBi and Stork are better than Bisu.

Stork lost to a SKT Zerg? Bisu lost to Juni in April..
Just because Bisu has a better overall record than Stork/JangBi, doesn't mean much compared to the way he's been playing. His last win against a high class player was in April against Leta and if I remember correctly, he pulled some 2 gate.

During his latest "winning streak", he's beaten Mind, Hyvaa and RorO in an ace match. Compared to who Stork has been playing all this time (Sea, really and Midas comes to mind), that's not much to be proud of. Bisu may have a better overall record but you can't deny his sloppy play as of late.

I'm not saying JangBi is better than Best but in my eyes, they're pretty much equal.

Both Khan and SKT are on hot streaks atm, and a large part of SKT's success isn't because of Bisu. SKT zergs and Fantasy have been stepping up in his absence.
nextstep
Profile Joined July 2009
Canada705 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-06-29 06:21:32
June 29 2010 06:17 GMT
#142
i'm a die-hard KHAN fan, but even i'd have to admit SKT is overall slightly better than KHAN.

i think Jangbi + Stork is slightly better than Best + Bisu.
Bisu only recently started recovering from a giant slump, while Stork has been very decent consistently. Jangbi and Best negate each other imo, each being better than each other at some points, and about dead even now i'd say.

Great has been on fire, and even before this hot streak, was decent (at least better than all the SKT zergs). This is negated by Fantasy though, and if not for Great's current performance, Fantasy would definitely edge it for SKT between the two.

However, that's the extent of KHAN.

Jangbi, Stork, Great, Brave have been performing for KHAN, while Bisu, Best, Fantasy, Hyuk, s2, soO have been good for SKT.

top 4 are pretty even, but after that it goes kinda downhill for KHAN.

nevertheless, go KHAN!
still praying for you every night~
go KHAN! TBLS <3
SuperArc
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
Austria7781 Posts
June 29 2010 10:39 GMT
#143
I love CJ.
Snow - future of protoss! :) Nada = baller
Vivi57
Profile Blog Joined September 2007
United States6599 Posts
June 29 2010 10:42 GMT
#144
CJ will destroy everything (until the finals of course which will end in an epic ace match with flash destroying something)

The only sad thing about this is kahn not making it, but if we're lucky, kahn will take wemade's spot...
Flash hwaiting! Nal_rA forever!
Lightwip
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States5497 Posts
June 29 2010 11:07 GMT
#145
Sadly, Khan is probably done.
If you are not Bisu, chances are I hate you.
Spyfire242
Profile Joined March 2009
United States715 Posts
June 29 2010 11:10 GMT
#146
CJ should win it all!
Entusman #55 Spyfire242!
arbiter_md
Profile Joined February 2008
Moldova1219 Posts
June 29 2010 11:18 GMT
#147
Standings after CJ vs Fox and Estro vs STX:
+ Show Spoiler +

KT 35-16 (+44)
STX 32-20 (+13)
SKT 29-22 (+16)
MBC 29-22 (+15)
CJ 29-24 (+5)
FOX 28-24 (+17)
----------------------------
KHAN 26-25 (-8)
OZ 25-26 (-4)
WSRS 25-27 (+10)
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smekz
Profile Joined April 2010
Portugal503 Posts
June 29 2010 11:36 GMT
#148
well khan has to play fox, so fox has to lose 1 other game! gogo
JohannesH
Profile Joined September 2009
Finland1364 Posts
June 29 2010 12:17 GMT
#149
Who is fox playing before the match vs khan? Where can i see the full schedule?

If everything goes well, the 6th spot will be decided in the Fox vs Khan match and not before
If you have to ask, you don't know.
Tuke
Profile Joined January 2009
Finland1666 Posts
June 29 2010 12:29 GMT
#150
On June 29 2010 21:17 JohannesH wrote:
Who is fox playing before the match vs khan? Where can i see the full schedule?

If everything goes well, the 6th spot will be decided in the Fox vs Khan match and not before

FOX plays versus ACE and Woongjin before they play KHAN. You can look schedule in calendar, just click it and search it there
TeamLiquid CJ Entusman #42
RamenStyle
Profile Joined September 2004
United States1929 Posts
June 29 2010 13:48 GMT
#151
Is there any sort of HCA? I mean, if not, ending 5th or 6th doesn't matter at all.
seRapH
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States9777 Posts
June 29 2010 14:12 GMT
#152
On June 29 2010 22:48 RamenStyle wrote:
Is there any sort of HCA? I mean, if not, ending 5th or 6th doesn't matter at all.

well, whoever's 6th at this rate will get destroyed by skt in the first round. or they could get lucky and see stx drop from 2nd.

i'm pretty sure that things arent going to change anymore though. i mean that only in that these six teams will be the six going to the playoffs.
boomer hands
Kreedit
Profile Joined March 2009
Sweden373 Posts
June 29 2010 14:13 GMT
#153
Now everything hangs on CJ either bombing totally or Wemade losing to either Ace or Stars... ugh

Ofc thats assuming Khan can win the rest of their matches wich includes wemade and kt.
nextstep
Profile Joined July 2009
Canada705 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-06-29 15:44:57
June 29 2010 15:25 GMT
#154
ugh, i wake up to find some quite saddening results :S


edit:

hmm, it's actually not that bad.

the WeMade game will be crucial depending on how well KHAN and WeMade play in between.

if WeMade wins both ACE and Stars game, then KHAN is out, even if WeMade loses to KHAN in the final match (since they will have the same record, but worse point differential).

if WeMade loses one of the ACE or Stars game, and KHAN wins against all three games against Hite, Oz, and KT (an highly improbable task, but if they do it would make for quite a story), then the game between WeMade and KHAN will be the deciding factor.


edit again:

either that, or CJ loses its last 2 games, and KHAN wins its last 4 games... :S
go KHAN! TBLS <3
dukethegold
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
Canada5645 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-06-29 17:16:23
June 29 2010 17:16 GMT
#155
Considering that SKT zergs are actually a force to be reckoned with, SKT's overall strength may potentially be greater than last season if Bisu's revival is completed.

The funny part is, SKT didn't actually need Bisu in last year's final. Hyuk actually contributed more by defeating Jaedong while Bisu only had the chance to rape Perfectman ezpz in style.
SkytoM
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
Austria1137 Posts
June 29 2010 17:33 GMT
#156
On June 30 2010 02:16 dukethegold wrote:
Considering that SKT zergs are actually a force to be reckoned with, SKT's overall strength may potentially be greater than last season if Bisu's revival is completed.

The funny part is, SKT didn't actually need Bisu in last year's final. Hyuk actually contributed more by defeating Jaedong while Bisu only had the chance to rape Perfectman ezpz in style.


that and in a well prepared Bo1 , Fantasy or any SKT Terran is unbeatable by Zerg
Bisu... ;-(
nayumi
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Australia6499 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-06-29 17:38:37
June 29 2010 17:38 GMT
#157
On June 30 2010 02:16 dukethegold wrote:
Considering that SKT zergs are actually a force to be reckoned with, SKT's overall strength may potentially be greater than last season if Bisu's revival is completed.

The funny part is, SKT didn't actually need Bisu in last year's final. Hyuk actually contributed more by defeating Jaedong while Bisu only had the chance to rape Perfectman ezpz in style.

Actually, one of of the reasons why Fantasy could comfortably pull off such cheese against Jaedong in the ace match, is because SKT still got Bisu for the Super ACE. If Bisu hadn't been there, I highly doubt T1 would have taken such high risk.

So you can't really say Bisu didn't do much in last year's grand final.
Sugoi monogatari onii-chan!
QuickStriker
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United States3694 Posts
June 29 2010 17:51 GMT
#158
On June 30 2010 02:38 nayumi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 30 2010 02:16 dukethegold wrote:
Considering that SKT zergs are actually a force to be reckoned with, SKT's overall strength may potentially be greater than last season if Bisu's revival is completed.

The funny part is, SKT didn't actually need Bisu in last year's final. Hyuk actually contributed more by defeating Jaedong while Bisu only had the chance to rape Perfectman ezpz in style.

Actually, one of of the reasons why Fantasy could comfortably pull off such cheese against Jaedong in the ace match, is because SKT still got Bisu for the Super ACE. If Bisu hadn't been there, I highly doubt T1 would have taken such high risk.

So you can't really say Bisu didn't do much in last year's grand final.

Well said. It was definitely this and some people seem to forget that the real ace wasn't Fantasy but BIsu and if it went to Super Ace and had Bisu beat JD, he would have been crowned MVP and not Fantasy. Also, BoxeR and oov set a plan against that match where BoxeR gave him that strategy but had OZ fooled by having Fantasy talking to Oov thinking of a secret macro oriented build rather than micro cheese oriented.
www.twitch.tv/KoreanUsher
geetarzero
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
United States217 Posts
June 29 2010 18:22 GMT
#159
CJ shall be victorious.
sKyHigh? him? don't worry about it. (–_–)
LaLuSh
Profile Blog Joined April 2003
Sweden2358 Posts
June 29 2010 18:34 GMT
#160
Khan always make hero recoveries in the last round only to fall just short of qualifying.

Why the hell they can't play decently in the earlier rounds is beyond me.
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