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On June 11 2010 16:24 Emon_ wrote:
From previous articles we know Gretech/Blizzard have absurd demands and dont want to negotiate. Now that they are talking its basically OGN caving in and accepting some of the crap that they want. Either way, OSL is making a turn for the worse.
Not really, if only OGN accepts they conditions, they can't be as bad as if KeSPA did.
Edit: I remember reading the following, but I can't find the source. If someone knows it, please post it. Or at least a clue to find the original post. I think it was worded in a different way. But maybe I'm so biassed that I read what I want to read :/
Remember that the worst rule (probably) was the one that said "We can cancel the contracts between the players and the teams and bring the player overseas to play the game we want in the league we want". That rule can only be enforced to KeSPA, not OGN or MBC since they don't manage the players.
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and here is possible evil master plan by blizzard: if OGN and MBC make a deal with GOM and individual leagues are allowed to continue, while KESPA fails to do so (due to their stubborness and/ or irrational requests by GOM) and team league is forced to end.
without a team league there is no need to run pro bw teams, and individual players will then be easily lured away to play SC2. this is probably the only way they would ever get jaedong, flash, bisu...
yes, sc2 game is infinitely pathetic compared to bw but so is my fulltime job yet I still do it 9-5 every day because I get paid.
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On June 11 2010 11:55 zrules wrote:
It's still pretty depressing that this partnership with Gretech by Blizzard was essentially back room deal in order to undercut KeSPA, OGN, and MBC. Nobody seems innocent right now... which is probably the most saddening of this. People who are siding with one side or another because they are seen as a "good guy" seems foolish. For the most part it is pretty obvious that everybody is at fault some how, or has reasons that are not just "for the fans." While we fans might be the "pure ideal" that these groups seem to want to protect... the fact of the matter is that we fans are also being underhanded in our ideas of who deserves to "win" (if you can call it a victory). People who say "F*** Blizzard and their copyright law/DRM," well, they do have a right to do whatever the hell they want to their game. If you don't want to buy it, that's your responsibility to go through with that. As far as I know though, the original Starcraft didn't have any special things that say "you must sign an agreement to make a channel for this game," though any U.S. court would probably say, "they have had their rights abridged," even if this was the case. Also, for anybody who says that KeSPA has no rights or whatever... Blizzard didn't try to get involved with Korea's E-Sports scene until 2006/2007. They can't use the defense of "for the fans," when they didn't give a shit about the fans they had in Korea of a (by then) 6-8 year old game until after their merger (and years of World of Warcraft flooding their coffers mind you).
In any case, it's a mess... nobody is totally innocent (hell even I have a damn bias...). The only thing that matters is the end result.
I do have exactly the same opinion, this post should get copied to every one of those discussions (Blizz vs. Kespa).
I would've just written 'qft' but I didn't wanna risk a temp ban.
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A sad state of affairs. I hope this works out for the best.
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What does this mean exactly? Sorry if I'm a little ignorant. Who is Gretech?
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At least someone is talking to someone - that's a start. Still a messed up situation.
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Hi.
That's a good news indeed. You'd hope that this guys feel that they need to be more proactive if they want to make things right.
I know that's kind of out of the blue question and not sure if that deserves separate tread.
BUT
Why was he banned for this?
On June 11 2010 09:33 Xiphos wrote:
Cool story bro!
User was temp banned for this post.
And this one was not.
On June 11 2010 09:58 pash1k wrote:
This is awesome! Thank you
Anyone?
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Gretech is Gom TV.
anyways it was obvious from the beginning as soon as blizzard signed with Gom that this was going to happen. Kespa is up the creek without a paddle and OGN and MBC have no choice but too accept whatever Goms deal is.
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On June 11 2010 20:41 voy[TECH] wrote:Hi. That's a good news indeed. You'd hope that this guys feel that they need to be more proactive if they want to make things right. I know that's kind of out of the blue question and not sure if that deserves separate tread. BUT Why was he banned for this? Show nested quote +On June 11 2010 09:33 Xiphos wrote:
Cool story bro!
User was temp banned for this post. And this one was not. Anyone?
The first is a meme, many times used in a sarcastic way. Google it.
The second says the news are awesome and thank you to the op for translating.
They're almost opposites.
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On June 11 2010 20:47 shalafi wrote:Show nested quote +On June 11 2010 20:41 voy[TECH] wrote:Hi. That's a good news indeed. You'd hope that this guys feel that they need to be more proactive if they want to make things right. I know that's kind of out of the blue question and not sure if that deserves separate tread. BUT Why was he banned for this? On June 11 2010 09:33 Xiphos wrote:
Cool story bro!
User was temp banned for this post. And this one was not. On June 11 2010 09:58 pash1k wrote:
This is awesome! Thank you Anyone? The first is a meme, many times used in a sarcastic way. Google it. The second says the news are awesome and thank you to the op for translating. They're almost opposites.
I see.
Thanks a lot.
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On June 11 2010 10:26 dtnmang wrote:
At least they are doing this for the good of the mass.
No they don't. They're in for the money, as is every company. Sure it is good PR to mention the esports factor. It just goes to show how fragile commercial esports currently is.
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pretty stupid that they have to get permission from fucking gretech to run a tournament imo -.- intellectual property is fucking bullshit.
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This situation is far from being solved and even if OGN is willing to pick up negotiations, it doesn`t mean both partys will figure out acceptable conditions. But I don`t wanna paint it all black - it is a good signal to (re)start conversations.
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Sounds great and really makes me believe the BW scene will be ok!
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OnGameNet: gg
Blizzard: gg
OnGameNet has left the game.
j/k :D
Btw, are those rights valid for SC II, too?
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On June 11 2010 10:10 ZlaSHeR wrote:
Once again showing everyone is willing to make this work except KeSPA
Sorry to burst your bubble, but nothing will come out of this. GOM is the soundboard for Blizz and the fees will still be outrageous amongst other things, i.e. term of agreement valid 1 year. MBC and GOM got nothing done. It's the classic stalemate with a NDA attached to it. The best case scenario is arbitration. If this goes to the courts, it could drag out for months.
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On June 11 2010 21:42 nttea wrote:
pretty stupid that they have to get permission from fucking gretech to run a tournament imo -.- intellectual property is fucking bullshit.
I'm a betting man, so let me go out on a limb and guess that you have no intellectual property.
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Would YOU trust KeSPA to do the negotiating for you? Obviously not, or this shit wouldn't get to this stage in the first place. So if MBC and OGN still want to run their tournaments, they clearly have to start negotiating themselves.
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Is there any indication that these announcements are anything more than to eventually say 'Well we tried, but their demands were outrageous.'?
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On June 11 2010 21:42 nttea wrote:
pretty stupid that they have to get permission from fucking gretech to run a tournament imo -.- intellectual property is fucking bullshit.
Yes, it's terrible that people want to get their hard-earned money for working on intellectual property instead of getting it stolen.
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