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shalafi
Profile Joined July 2008
394 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-06-11 19:50:51
June 11 2010 07:38 GMT
#41
On June 11 2010 16:24 Emon_ wrote:
From previous articles we know Gretech/Blizzard have absurd demands and dont want to negotiate. Now that they are talking its basically OGN caving in and accepting some of the crap that they want. Either way, OSL is making a turn for the worse.



Not really, if only OGN accepts they conditions, they can't be as bad as if KeSPA did.

Edit: I remember reading the following, but I can't find the source. If someone knows it, please post it. Or at least a clue to find the original post. I think it was worded in a different way. But maybe I'm so biassed that I read what I want to read :/

Remember that the worst rule (probably) was the one that said "We can cancel the contracts between the players and the teams and bring the player overseas to play the game we want in the league we want". That rule can only be enforced to KeSPA, not OGN or MBC since they don't manage the players.
immacolate
Profile Joined February 2009
Serbia199 Posts
June 11 2010 08:14 GMT
#42
and here is possible evil master plan by blizzard: if OGN and MBC make a deal with GOM and individual leagues are allowed to continue, while KESPA fails to do so (due to their stubborness and/ or irrational requests by GOM) and team league is forced to end.

without a team league there is no need to run pro bw teams, and individual players will then be easily lured away to play SC2. this is probably the only way they would ever get jaedong, flash, bisu...

yes, sc2 game is infinitely pathetic compared to bw but so is my fulltime job yet I still do it 9-5 every day because I get paid.
snpnx
Profile Joined February 2010
Germany454 Posts
June 11 2010 08:17 GMT
#43
On June 11 2010 11:55 zrules wrote:
It's still pretty depressing that this partnership with Gretech by Blizzard was essentially back room deal in order to undercut KeSPA, OGN, and MBC. Nobody seems innocent right now... which is probably the most saddening of this. People who are siding with one side or another because they are seen as a "good guy" seems foolish. For the most part it is pretty obvious that everybody is at fault some how, or has reasons that are not just "for the fans." While we fans might be the "pure ideal" that these groups seem to want to protect... the fact of the matter is that we fans are also being underhanded in our ideas of who deserves to "win" (if you can call it a victory). People who say "F*** Blizzard and their copyright law/DRM," well, they do have a right to do whatever the hell they want to their game. If you don't want to buy it, that's your responsibility to go through with that. As far as I know though, the original Starcraft didn't have any special things that say "you must sign an agreement to make a channel for this game," though any U.S. court would probably say, "they have had their rights abridged," even if this was the case. Also, for anybody who says that KeSPA has no rights or whatever... Blizzard didn't try to get involved with Korea's E-Sports scene until 2006/2007. They can't use the defense of "for the fans," when they didn't give a shit about the fans they had in Korea of a (by then) 6-8 year old game until after their merger (and years of World of Warcraft flooding their coffers mind you).

In any case, it's a mess... nobody is totally innocent (hell even I have a damn bias...). The only thing that matters is the end result.


I do have exactly the same opinion, this post should get copied to every one of those discussions (Blizz vs. Kespa).
I would've just written 'qft' but I didn't wanna risk a temp ban.
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Subversive
Profile Joined October 2009
Australia2229 Posts
June 11 2010 08:17 GMT
#44
A sad state of affairs. I hope this works out for the best.
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Ronald_McD
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
Canada807 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-06-11 08:39:58
June 11 2010 08:22 GMT
#45
What does this mean exactly? Sorry if I'm a little ignorant. Who is Gretech?
FUCKING GAY LAGS
Doso
Profile Joined March 2008
Germany769 Posts
June 11 2010 10:12 GMT
#46
At least someone is talking to someone - that's a start. Still a messed up situation.
voy[TECH]
Profile Joined December 2008
Poland63 Posts
June 11 2010 11:41 GMT
#47
Hi.
That's a good news indeed. You'd hope that this guys feel that they need to be more proactive if they want to make things right.

I know that's kind of out of the blue question and not sure if that deserves separate tread.
BUT

Why was he banned for this?

On June 11 2010 09:33 Xiphos wrote:
Cool story bro!

User was temp banned for this post.


And this one was not.

On June 11 2010 09:58 pash1k wrote:
This is awesome! Thank you


Anyone?
NaDa and Boxer 4Ever. SC 4Life. - IntoTheRain the coolest nickname in Starcraft history -
IamAnton
Profile Joined January 2010
Canada335 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-06-11 11:51:49
June 11 2010 11:42 GMT
#48
Gretech is Gom TV.

anyways it was obvious from the beginning as soon as blizzard signed with Gom that this was going to happen. Kespa is up the creek without a paddle and OGN and MBC have no choice but too accept whatever Goms deal is.
"Man created God in his own image." - Ludwig Feuerbach
shalafi
Profile Joined July 2008
394 Posts
June 11 2010 11:47 GMT
#49
On June 11 2010 20:41 voy[TECH] wrote:
Hi.
That's a good news indeed. You'd hope that this guys feel that they need to be more proactive if they want to make things right.

I know that's kind of out of the blue question and not sure if that deserves separate tread.
BUT

Why was he banned for this?

Show nested quote +
On June 11 2010 09:33 Xiphos wrote:
Cool story bro!

User was temp banned for this post.


And this one was not.

Show nested quote +
On June 11 2010 09:58 pash1k wrote:
This is awesome! Thank you


Anyone?


The first is a meme, many times used in a sarcastic way. Google it.

The second says the news are awesome and thank you to the op for translating.

They're almost opposites.
voy[TECH]
Profile Joined December 2008
Poland63 Posts
June 11 2010 11:54 GMT
#50
On June 11 2010 20:47 shalafi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 11 2010 20:41 voy[TECH] wrote:
Hi.
That's a good news indeed. You'd hope that this guys feel that they need to be more proactive if they want to make things right.

I know that's kind of out of the blue question and not sure if that deserves separate tread.
BUT

Why was he banned for this?

On June 11 2010 09:33 Xiphos wrote:
Cool story bro!

User was temp banned for this post.


And this one was not.

On June 11 2010 09:58 pash1k wrote:
This is awesome! Thank you


Anyone?


The first is a meme, many times used in a sarcastic way. Google it.

The second says the news are awesome and thank you to the op for translating.

They're almost opposites.


I see.

Thanks a lot.

NaDa and Boxer 4Ever. SC 4Life. - IntoTheRain the coolest nickname in Starcraft history -
Badjas
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
Netherlands2038 Posts
June 11 2010 12:09 GMT
#51
On June 11 2010 10:26 dtnmang wrote:
At least they are doing this for the good of the mass.

No they don't. They're in for the money, as is every company. Sure it is good PR to mention the esports factor. It just goes to show how fragile commercial esports currently is.
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nttea
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
Sweden4353 Posts
June 11 2010 12:42 GMT
#52
pretty stupid that they have to get permission from fucking gretech to run a tournament imo -.- intellectual property is fucking bullshit.
zul
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Germany5427 Posts
June 11 2010 12:43 GMT
#53
This situation is far from being solved and even if OGN is willing to pick up negotiations, it doesn`t mean both partys will figure out acceptable conditions. But I don`t wanna paint it all black - it is a good signal to (re)start conversations.
keep it deep! @zulison
khellian
Profile Joined February 2010
Korea (South)922 Posts
June 11 2010 13:10 GMT
#54
Sounds great and really makes me believe the BW scene will be ok!
Shield
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
Bulgaria4824 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-06-11 13:19:04
June 11 2010 13:18 GMT
#55

OnGameNet: gg
Blizzard: gg
OnGameNet has left the game.


j/k :D
Btw, are those rights valid for SC II, too?
StarStruck
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
25339 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-06-11 13:22:36
June 11 2010 13:19 GMT
#56
On June 11 2010 10:10 ZlaSHeR wrote:
Once again showing everyone is willing to make this work except KeSPA


Sorry to burst your bubble, but nothing will come out of this. GOM is the soundboard for Blizz and the fees will still be outrageous amongst other things, i.e. term of agreement valid 1 year. MBC and GOM got nothing done. It's the classic stalemate with a NDA attached to it. The best case scenario is arbitration. If this goes to the courts, it could drag out for months.
Fraidnot
Profile Blog Joined May 2008
United States824 Posts
June 11 2010 13:33 GMT
#57
On June 11 2010 21:42 nttea wrote:
pretty stupid that they have to get permission from fucking gretech to run a tournament imo -.- intellectual property is fucking bullshit.

I'm a betting man, so let me go out on a limb and guess that you have no intellectual property.
roronoe
Profile Joined May 2009
Canada1527 Posts
June 11 2010 13:52 GMT
#58
Would YOU trust KeSPA to do the negotiating for you? Obviously not, or this shit wouldn't get to this stage in the first place. So if MBC and OGN still want to run their tournaments, they clearly have to start negotiating themselves.
The Purgatory of Endless Depths
QibingZero
Profile Blog Joined June 2007
2611 Posts
June 11 2010 13:52 GMT
#59
Is there any indication that these announcements are anything more than to eventually say 'Well we tried, but their demands were outrageous.'?
Oh, my eSports
Stratos_speAr
Profile Joined May 2009
United States6959 Posts
June 11 2010 14:12 GMT
#60
On June 11 2010 21:42 nttea wrote:
pretty stupid that they have to get permission from fucking gretech to run a tournament imo -.- intellectual property is fucking bullshit.


Yes, it's terrible that people want to get their hard-earned money for working on intellectual property instead of getting it stolen.
A sound mind in a sound body, is a short, but full description of a happy state in this World: he that has these two, has little more to wish for; and he that wants either of them, will be little the better for anything else.
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