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aBnarf
Bangladesh314 Posts
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tossimeter
United States75 Posts
On March 07 2004 22:55 aBnarf wrote: reason i said it would ruin bw is because no1 will learn anything from this. mayb the beginners will get better but they wouldbt be learning anything really. for instance wen u watch a replay wit sum1 better who understands the game more wen he tells u to do sumtin u normally ask why? asking why gives u a better understanding of the game n knowing wat to do in what situation instead of jus doin wat sum1 tells u to do all the time well abnarf, if no one will learn anything from the program, how the fuck will it ruin bw? | ||
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aBnarf
Bangladesh314 Posts
n unless jca keeps updating his shit to every strat every map every mu n things like that the beginners will eventually have to learn how to play bw witout the coach cuz it isnt there anymore. so either they learn thru experience n practice now or have a false sense that they r good n have to end up learning the game later on | ||
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SoMuchBetter
Australia10606 Posts
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Brett
Australia3823 Posts
Or something that will pop up to make me think about whether it's more important to be micro-ing or macro-ing at that time. Nice work JCA! | ||
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Brett
Australia3823 Posts
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Amnesty
United States2054 Posts
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Sliggy
Australia797 Posts
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HiFi
United States518 Posts
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jca
France273 Posts
On March 07 2004 22:45 Hautamaki wrote: It's more the slippery slope that I'm worried about. If we condone and promote programs designed to make starcraft easier, what's next? I like starcraft as difficult as possible. I don't think this program will make a significant impact, I'm just worried about what may come next if this program becomes universally accepted. Hum i don't see it as a slippery slope. As said before, such programs don't make any difference for very good players. They might make a difference for noobs like me who just discovered the game and have no one to explain them everything right away. Maybe you guys forgot how hard and frustrating it is to play on bnet when you are a newbie. Maybe that happened to you 5 years ago. Well guess what, it is even harder and more frustrating these days because everyone has 2 or 3 years or experience already and very few are willing to spend even 15s at the end of a game to explain things. So I think it is fair to make tools that help newbies realize that speed is important, matchup is important, BO is important, what units you make is important, scouting is important, etc. In fact a simple training file with the most general advice would have helped me a lot when I started playing. I wasnt in a clan, I knew nobody online or irl who could or would teach me. In conclusion, I see BWCoach as an educationnal tool. That's why I added a [STRATEGY] section in the training file where you can actually explain the various build orders. Think about it: on your web site you are giving strategy advice. To support those, you are giving away replays or RWAs. Why not also provide a training file for BWCoach? | ||
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JudasT
Spain2226 Posts
 RELEASE IT PLZ !!!  | ||
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Ceril
Sweden1343 Posts
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koehli
Germany350 Posts
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{CC}StealthBlue
United States41117 Posts
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nortydog
Australia3067 Posts
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Yarertz
Djibouti1891 Posts
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dallybird
United States6 Posts
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karelen
Sweden2407 Posts
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Overlord
Romania651 Posts
On March 07 2004 22:45 Hautamaki wrote: JCA please don't misunderstand, it's not that I think that anyone at our level would be helped by a glorified timer much, but I do feel that the APM counter and scouting timer would be somewhat helpful even to someone at our level. It's more the slippery slope that I'm worried about. If we condone and promote programs designed to make starcraft easier, what's next? I like starcraft as difficult as possible. I don't think this program will make a significant impact, I'm just worried about what may come next if this program becomes universally accepted. Good point. What if there comes a program, that makes w3 features possible in bw, like control-selecting multiple buildings, autospell etc.etc. It will make bw easier... different, you will not need that much speed for perfect play (you only press 1sh, not 1sh2sh3sh4sh5sh6sh7sh it's a huge difference), and it was only an example. BUT imo BWCoach isn't that much of a help. There are already ppl memorizing bos from replays, so i really don't care if they will have a program telling them, instead of reading it from a paper for instance :D And to the guy who said it will make WGT unfair (maybe it was on the other thread), i think above c4-5 it doesn't matter. | ||
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nortydog
Australia3067 Posts
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