Example, you analyze a replay with a DT rush. See when DT optimally reaches your base. Then find out how long it takes to build ebay - turret, in that sequence (say X seconds). So in the coach, X seconds before optimal DT comes to your base, you put in the message "build Ebay". Perfect timing on ebay even for an inexperienced player, saves time etc if you expect a dt.

I don't know if this is good or bad.

Petachu

Canada354 Posts

March 06 2004 02:45 GMT

#23

it will have very vey little if no effect on the game... i still don't see how b-net newbies will avoid getting bashed by me even when they have perfect build order... they might learn to stop a DT rush but nothing is going to teach them to break a standard tank push or etc

SunShine

Netherlands787 Posts

March 06 2004 02:48 GMT

#24

can u use it ingame. if i do a dt rush and he tells it to the program does it give a counter. if i then switch to reavers he types in reavers will it switch to a counter for that?

LumberJack

United States3355 Posts

March 06 2004 02:48 GMT

#25

I actually had a dream about this program, when apm live came out. A program that could be built, to display your b/o at the top. To where u could cycle through the B/O's that u had already manually put in it. To where, every 30sec it would tell you certain things, remind u of where ur supposed to be, tech wise, supply wise, gate wise, to scout, all the those fundamental things. To have a whole file system of of all the matchups for all the maps, and then you create the files for it, its like you training ur subconcious. I thought if i posted the idea to make such a program, people would mock. Im glad i wasnt the only one, and i think this is wonderful. To be able to give urself hints, and create the .trn files, edit them if needed, test them. Everyone who competes at a high level have certain b/o's that are most effictive for them, but for some reason, most people, or alot of them, always change their b/o every day, or do a different strat everytime, i know i do anyways. This makes it more efficent, to really break the game down even more, for those who are willing to do it, and it gives u a better system of regurgitating that information, during the game, exactly when u want it to. We will have to change our timing a bit, from supply, to actual seconds, but i think thats more accurate anyways

gw jca

MPXMX

Canada4309 Posts

March 06 2004 02:53 GMT

#26

Also you can put in messages like "reaver drop 1 minute/30 seconds", "dt drop 1 minute/30 seconds" (optimal times of course), "speed lings 30 seconds", "lurkers 30 seconds (2 hatch vs terran)", muta, tank drop, and other vital things in the beginning. And beginnings are usually important. Among equal players it's usually about getting an advantage in the beginning it and securing it for the rest of the game.

I can certainly see how this program can help weaker players a lot with timing in the early stages of the game. That's not that bad, and it won't affect gaming at higher levels, b/c they know their timing. Still, I am not really happy to see this program released because I feel like I wasted like 100 hours getting the timing down and now people can acquire it very quickly.

[After reading your response, LumberJack, particularly the phrase "remind yourself", the Coach is beginning to look like a good idea to me. It does not shatter my previous points, but from this perspective it does not seem 'cheap' anymore.]

Yarertz

Djibouti1891 Posts

March 06 2004 03:04 GMT

#27

THXXXX
Release it plzzz! :D

Levu

Germany675 Posts

March 06 2004 03:15 GMT

#28

might really be a good thing to learn BOs and if not overused, it may help newbies

Physician

United States4146 Posts

March 06 2004 03:27 GMT

#29

Like everything JCA has done. It surprises and it improves the general skill level of broodwar player. I am in awe and I applaude your effort. You are definitively getting a donation this time. You have done more for our community than many of the progamers out there. Finally good coders making programs that help and not dark obscure hacks that ruin the game.

Negative criticism is really out of line this time. Please note the names of those who critize for little or no reason than to say they are 'I am so good I do not need this' or 'all that is new scares me' or 'I am a moron so I have to write something stupid'.
Do not be fooled ~ so far all I see is people that admire or add helpful opnions and the another group of people ~ those that ENVY and have nothing to say but annouce their own insecurities.

HAIL JCA, U DA MAN! (very well put makito)

~Entropy aka Physician
JCA die hard FAN
FOG OF WORSHIPER too

http://www.entropyzero.org

ProgRamer > Progamer.
But both make our game Better.

ForgoTTeN-SupeR

United States786 Posts

March 06 2004 03:28 GMT

#30

Even though this not everyone agrees with the idea of this program, I still want to thank JCA for helping the BW community and still continuing to help improve it. thxz0rs

Physician

United States4146 Posts

March 06 2004 03:29 GMT

#31

AMAt btw.. I did not mention it. LMAO! Funny reply-post.

AutumnLight

Ukraine2488 Posts

March 06 2004 03:31 GMT

#32

JCA is a genius,he keeps improving and innovating the ways of playing BW.

x[ReaPeR]x

United States3447 Posts

March 06 2004 03:47 GMT

#33

This would be really cool for learning totally new build orders, for anything I already know/sorta know though I wouldn't want to use it though because I would become dependent. The other thing I like is that it's another way for me to imporve APM.

For n00bies this is a great way to learn the game in real time, the only worry is that they wouldn't be able to play without the program, but ah well.

Nice program jca, another great contribution to the Brood War community.

GroT

Belgium3003 Posts

March 06 2004 04:03 GMT

#34

could still help me to learn a few things, i would only use it against friends though

i wouldn't mind if anyone used it against me

@MPXMX: just because you build your ebay to have a turret exactly on the time that dts can first start reaching your base, doesn't make your timing perfect at all, it makes you an uber-safe player who is wasting money trying to prepare for everything

STIMEY d okgm fish

Canada6140 Posts

March 06 2004 04:08 GMT

#35

this is a good idea. i said to do this and everyone said it was stupid because they suck.

;;;;GueSS;;;;

Italy27 Posts

March 06 2004 04:16 GMT

#36

Even though it does not directly imply "Hacking" itself
it is still a form of it imo

Dave[9]

United States2365 Posts

March 06 2004 04:28 GMT

#37

guess </3

Brown

Afghanistan367 Posts

March 06 2004 04:34 GMT

#38

On March 06 2004 13:16 ;;;;GueSS;;;; wrote:
Even though it does not directly imply "Hacking" itself
it is still a form of it imo

What the FUCK?

MannerLess_

Brazil535 Posts

March 06 2004 04:35 GMT

#39

On March 06 2004 13:16 ;;;;GueSS;;;; wrote:
Even though it does not directly imply "Hacking" itself
it is still a form of it imo

You are an idiot!

jca

France273 Posts

March 06 2004 04:35 GMT

#40

On March 06 2004 11:28 SunShine wrote:
can it also be used online in games? that would be crappy the thing would just tell you how to counter every build. blaah

No it won't. BWCoach doesnt know what the other player is doing and doesnt know how to "react" to anything besides you telling him to change the build order you are following. Read documentation plz. Thx.