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Tom Phoenix
1114 Posts
Well, I had a discussion with someone over YouTube regarding Husky`s 200 Drones vs 200 Probes video and stated as such. His response was that melee range is 1 and that it was the same for all workers in Brood War. I went to check Liquipedia.....and much to my shock, all workers indeed are stated to have a range of 1. So have I been mistaken all along? Are Probes really melee units? And does that mean that SCVs and Drones can attack over the backdoor minerals on Destination as well? | ||
NonY
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FiBsTeR
United States415 Posts
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Kenpachi
United States9908 Posts
yes Drones can attack through the backdoor | ||
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OminouS
Sweden1343 Posts
But it is what it is. But the range of the Probe and the Drone is greater than the range of the SCV. | ||
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Weasel-
Canada1556 Posts
Also: SCVs will attack faster and have higher dps if you spam right click the unit you want them to kill, apparently their actual attack cooldown is less than that of other workers but there is an inherent delay to when the AI makes them start the next attack to keep their regular damage constant with probes and drones. | ||
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neobowman
Canada3324 Posts
All workers are ranged, but SCVs have 0 range. Test it using dark swarm. | ||
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Pafnucy
Poland1124 Posts
On March 10 2010 05:57 Weasel- wrote: Probe's range is somewhere between 1 and 2 in that case, maybe it's actually 1.5 or something (with drones at 1.25). No workers, even SCVs, deal damage under dark swarm (I think Artosis mentioned this once) so technically even SCVs are ranged. SCVs cannot attack over the minerals on destination, they have to touch the unit they are attacking. Drones might be able to in some areas. Also: SCVs will attack faster and have higher dps if you spam right click the unit you want them to kill, apparently their actual attack cooldown is less than that of other workers but there is an inherent delay to when the AI makes them start the next attack to keep their regular damage constant with probes and drones. which brings us here :-) by the way - swarm argument is really good. Didn't know it, my guess was that scvs cause damage under swarm. | ||
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Dreadwave
Netherlands254 Posts
For comparision, zealots, dts and zerglings have range 0,47(15 pixels). Someone took the trouble to get the ranges for everything in pixels from the gamedata, I had this file on my computer but I have no idea where I originally got it from. I'm not even sure if it's 100% correct as I can't verify it. I uploaded it here: http://www.mediafire.com/?2w1ojmmitzk In practice this means an SCV has to touch his target to attack while probes and drones don't. Shields regenerate faster than Zerg hp, no idea about the actual rates. | ||
Chill
Calgary25998 Posts
On March 10 2010 05:48 Tom Phoenix wrote: All this time, I was convinced that melee range was 0 and that Probes had a range of 1 (so one more then SCVs and Drones). Afterall, I thought, that was the reason why Probes could attack across the backdoor minerals on Destination. Well, I had a discussion with someone over YouTube regarding Husky`s 200 Drones vs 200 Probes video and stated as such. His response was that melee range is 1 and that it was the same for all workers in Brood War. I went to check Liquipedia.....and much to my shock, all workers indeed are stated to have a range of 1. So have I been mistaken all along? Are Probes really melee units? And does that mean that SCVs and Drones can attack over the backdoor minerals on Destination as well? All worker attacks are ranged. Probes and Drones have a range of 1 and SCVs have a range of 0 for all intents and purposes. | ||
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Nub4ever
Canada1981 Posts
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ghostWriter
United States3302 Posts
thanks! | ||
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DreaM)XeRO
Korea (South)4667 Posts
 i know drones have rangeJuly has sexy moving drone control xD | ||
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synapse
China13814 Posts
On March 10 2010 06:23 Chill wrote: All worker attacks are ranged. Probes and Drones have a range of 1 and SCVs have a range of 0 for all intents and purposes. Wait.. so no workers can attack under a dark swarm or disruption web? o_o;; | ||
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LuDwig-
Italy1143 Posts
 and yes u can attack under a swarm | ||
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LxRogue
United States1415 Posts
probe range > drone range > scv range SCV's don't have "range" but it's true that no workers do any damage under dark swarm. I've never seen an SCV attack from behind minerals, but maybe in certain positions it is possible, just really awkward/difficult. Ultras and zealots also have a little bit of reach with their melee. The best way to get used to the range is just to play a lot of games. | ||
Kinky
United States4126 Posts
On March 10 2010 06:26 Nub4ever wrote: I don't think SCV's can attack through the backdoor minerals but the SCV's if you spam click they animation cancel and do more damage. No. Just no. | ||
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ShaLLoW[baY]
Canada12499 Posts
On March 10 2010 06:26 Nub4ever wrote: I don't think SCV's can attack through the backdoor minerals but the SCV's if you spam click they animation cancel and do more damage. I believe this is nothing more than a myth. Someone tested it on these forums, but I can't quite find the thread or remember what it was called, I'll look again in a bit. They seem to be attacking faster, animation-wise, but the damage output is the same. A quick search turned up this: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=93608¤tpage=2#23 I'm sure there was a thread that went more in depth, but I can't find it | ||
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flx!
United States101 Posts
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ghostWriter
United States3302 Posts
I thought that if you spam right click on the other worker or something, the scv attacks faster. | ||
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