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On February 10 2010 17:25 StarcraftMan wrote:Show nested quote +On February 10 2010 13:24 Cambium wrote:
To all you new posters who have no understanding of the situation:
The veterans/staff are not demonizing him, he did the worst thing he could possibly do to TL. At the time, TL was in the process of improving the TLPD by attaching youtube videos to the side. TL needed videos, and Baezzi needed a director's account to avoid splitting the files. TL gave Baezzi access to a director's account (at the time, they were extremely rare, much more rare than an SC2 beta key) so that both parties could mutually benefit. Over some retarded rape argument, despite the fact that L2W profusely apologized and attempted to resolve the situation, Baezzi pulled the plug, changed the password to the account and banned TLPD's connections to his videos.
He's just a douche, but at the same time, as I repeatedly said before, I do respect his time and effort put into uploading the videos. I don't think TL, as a community, should support his cause, but if you want to do it, it's entirely up to you. The question is, has he made up for his past actions towards TL for his work in the last several years. You can't deny his contributions towards the SC community as a whole. You also can't deny that TL has benefitted from Baezzi because people like me and Arsenalgunner wouldn't even be on TL without Baezzi's work. Now if he had stolen the account and never uploaded a single VOD, then yes, he should be crucified. However, he put the account to good use and the SC community and TL have ultimately benefitted from his work and more. It's kind of like you have $1 million to donate to Unicef, but a thief steals your $1 million. The thief then invests your $1 million and makes $1 billion, and then the thief decides to donate all $1 billion to Unicef. Yeah, you can't condone the thief for stealing your money, but in a circular way, the thief paid back your $1 million to Unicef, plus $999 million more to Unicef.
I never once denied his contribution towards the foreign SC community, and I made an effort to mention that in every post I made in this thread.
You are mistaking TL and the foreign SC community. Baezzi hurt TL, and he has never made it up to TL. TL did not benefit directly from his uploads (in fact, TL is still using nevake's uploads), and his actions were purely malicious and hostile towards this website. The few who stumbled upon TL serendipitously through his videos do not justify his initial actions.
Besides, the nevake channel was uploading videos in a very speedy and consistent manner in the prior months (often faster than jon747 channel). With or without baezzi, you would have found TL regardless.
Also, your example is largely inaccurate. It was as if TL had $1 million (the director account), and wanted to invest it (uploading videos and linking them to TLPD). But then Baezzi came along and stole the money (the account) and the opportunity for TL to invest (banned TL access), and invested it himself.
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On February 10 2010 17:58 Cambium wrote:
Besides, the nevake channel was uploading videos in a very speedy and consistent manner in the prior months (often faster than jon747 channel). With or without baezzi, you would have found TL regardless.
It was the large library of Pro League videos posted on Jon747 and Nevake that peeked my interest in Starcraft again. Like Arsenalgunner, it's questionable whether I would have found TL without the Jon747 account (although Nevake had alot of videos but was incomplete - some vidoes are missing from Nevake).
The comprehensive library of Pro League VODs on YouTube, especially the Jon747 channel which is the most comprehensive channel for Pro League VODs, was a conduit for people like me and Arsenalgunner (and probably others) in finding TL.
Anyways, if the Nevake channel can get the uploads in a timely manner, it will replace the Jon747 channel over time. I'm hoping that the Nevake channel can pick up where Jon747 left off - or the Starcraft community as a whole will suffer.
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I hate to contribute to all this crap, but just as a point of clarification.. Baezzi never "cut off TL" from all the VODs or anything like that.
+ Show Spoiler [long explanation] +Here, look, I'll pick a random video from the Jon747 account from a couple years ago. + Show Spoiler [see, its embedded] +I have checked, and there is no way to ban a certain site from embedding your videos, and the only way to turn off embedding a video is to do it for each individual video. So he couldn't cut off VODs unless he went through and manually (the youtube API wasn't out at the time so he couldn't script it) changed the settings on hundreds of videos.
Yes, it was something that Baezzi threatened to do but it was an idle threat that has been blown out of proportion... as has all of this stupid stuff.
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Zurich15364 Posts
This is simply not true Moletrap. He did block embedding for all his uploads just so TLPD and the Small Vod Thread would break. He openly said so himself. He posted pretty childish flame videos on his front page saying exactly that and flaming TL and individual TL members.
See http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=111796¤tpage=7#136
Sure, at one point he stopped blocking embedding and took down his hate videos so a random VOD from a year back will most likely work.
And StarcraftMan you still don't seem to understand what the problem is. Baezzi has consistently shown that he is unreliable and unstable which is the sole reason we will not work with him. Period.
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Mention teamliquid anywhere on his channel, whether it be in VODs or on his profile page and he'll ban you (contents of your post don't matter). Try for yourself.
Dude banned me from his channel for saying kwanro was an all-in newbie (1+ year ago against stork). He doesn't care if it's justified or not. If he doesn't like what you have to say (or rather what he interprets that it is you have to say), he'll ban rather than try and make sense of it.
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No it's more like the thief steals your 1 million dollars. Then steals your bank account. Then bad mouths you non-stop because he has some emotional problems and is untouchable.
Then he does good deeds and gets other people interested in Unicef.
But he stole a directors account and gave nothing back to TL.net. He deliberately stopped them from accessing their own account and had a massive tantrum.
Btw who here (who is new to sc) before this thread has heard any TL admin badmouth BaeZZi or say anything about him at all?
The guy's a retard. Sure he uploaded alot and got some ppl interested in sc but if tl had kept the account someone else would have uploaded, as zatic has anyway on nevake.
edit: oh yeah and about the random banning - he banned me because i posted 5 weeks ago:
"thanks baezzi for the speedy uploads of the msl and osl finals!"
I assume he thought i was criticising him because he recognised the word speedy and msl/osl. I also noticed he gets ppl without youtube dp's confused in arguments he has on his comments page =p
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Zurich15364 Posts
Anyway, seems like he resumed uploading so we can file this in as another episode of why not to work with Baezzi.
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no jon747??
edit: he's back, i can sleep again.
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Russian Federation1613 Posts
Hooray mega-fast OSL VODS!!!
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On February 10 2010 21:51 Subversive wrote:
No it's more like the thief steals your 1 million dollars. Then steals your bank account. Then bad mouths you non-stop because he has some emotional problems and is untouchable.
Then he does good deeds and gets other people interested in Unicef.
What?
I don't know much about this history between Baezzi and TeamLiquid, but what I can gather from all the posts from moderators and people who have history with him, this is all wrong?
He was already "donating to Unicef"?
Edit: He's not 100% back...
Jon747:
Please note : I will be able to upload only MSL and OSL.....I won't upload Proleague and anything else.
No Proleague. =0
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On February 10 2010 23:04 zatic wrote:
Anyway, seems like he resumed uploading so we can file this in as another episode of why not to work with Baezzi.
Half back. He says:
Please note : I will be able to upload only MSL and OSL.....I won't upload Proleague and anything else.
http://www.youtube.com/user/Jon747
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Russian Federation1613 Posts
Uploading OSL and MSL is already very good!
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On February 11 2010 03:07 Jackle wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On February 10 2010 21:51 Subversive wrote:
No it's more like the thief steals your 1 million dollars. Then steals your bank account. Then bad mouths you non-stop because he has some emotional problems and is untouchable.
Then he does good deeds and gets other people interested in Unicef. What? I don't know much about this history between Baezzi and TeamLiquid, but what I can gather from all the posts from moderators and people who have history with him, this is all wrong? He was already "donating to Unicef"? Edit: He's not 100% back... Jon747:
Please note : I will be able to upload only MSL and OSL.....I won't upload Proleague and anything else. No Proleague. =0
Try reading the whole thread and other links before posting if you don't know the history.
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On February 11 2010 23:03 Subversive wrote:
Try reading the whole thread and other links before posting if you don't know the history.
I think I can read pretty well. You can't give someone something. Then ask for it back later when you find out a flaw with them. Then call them thief when they refuse to return it.
On February 08 2010 12:09 Plexa wrote:Show nested quote +On February 08 2010 12:06 Glaucus wrote:
His name is not Jon747, that's someone else. His name is Baezzi. Jon747 gave the account to TL who gave it to Baezzi. Baezzi hates TL because TL didn't want to support him in his hate for Japanese. True, and that person who gave it to Baezzi was Violetak
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On February 11 2010 23:14 Jackle wrote:Show nested quote +On February 11 2010 23:03 Subversive wrote:
Try reading the whole thread and other links before posting if you don't know the history. I think I can read pretty well. You can't give someone something. Then ask for it back later when you find out a flaw with them. Then call them thief when they refuse to return it. Show nested quote +On February 08 2010 12:09 Plexa wrote:On February 08 2010 12:06 Glaucus wrote:
His name is not Jon747, that's someone else. His name is Baezzi. Jon747 gave the account to TL who gave it to Baezzi. Baezzi hates TL because TL didn't want to support him in his hate for Japanese. True, and that person who gave it to Baezzi was Violetak
Lol TL didn't find a flaw with him (although it certainly could), he simply had an argument, left TL, took the account with him and blocked TL from accessing it. Obviously they wouldn't have given it to him in the first place if they knew he was psycho, and as such will not work with him again.
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@seppolevne: So... being a psycho isn't a flaw in personality?
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On February 11 2010 23:14 Jackle wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On February 11 2010 23:03 Subversive wrote:
Try reading the whole thread and other links before posting if you don't know the history. I think I can read pretty well. You can't give someone something. Then ask for it back later when you find out a flaw with them. Then call them thief when they refuse to return it. On February 08 2010 12:09 Plexa wrote:Show nested quote +On February 08 2010 12:06 Glaucus wrote:
His name is not Jon747, that's someone else. His name is Baezzi. Jon747 gave the account to TL who gave it to Baezzi. Baezzi hates TL because TL didn't want to support him in his hate for Japanese. True, and that person who gave it to Baezzi was Violetak
Sweet, now all you need to do is ask zatic/Plexa whether Jon747 'gave' (gifted) the account to TL and whether VioletAK was a staff member at the time he 'gave' (lent) the account to BaeZZi 
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Nah SCforAll.com fix EVERYTHING for me and its more organized.  Nevake isn't bad either. WFbrood have sources for themself as well (just need to avoid Chinese rush hours).
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Is there really no way to follow proleague now that jon has stoped uploading ??? WFbrood just seams to be old wcg and best of stuff. But I don't read in Chinease...
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EPT
and it's always up the next day. 
