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Alethios
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
New Zealand2765 Posts
January 29 2010 12:41 GMT
#41
Lol i didnt seriously consider that they would be. Just thinking about how conservative an estimate half a million is.
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Stratos_speAr
Profile Joined May 2009
United States6959 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-01-29 15:17:11
January 29 2010 15:13 GMT
#42
On January 29 2010 14:42 We Are Here wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 29 2010 14:25 Sharp-eYe wrote:
On January 29 2010 14:06 Megalisk wrote:
On January 29 2010 13:40 iamho wrote:
500k viewers total? that seems really bad


500k viewers watching a 10 year old computer game being played is in no way "bad".

im not sure but thats as close as the numbers are here for hockey right or baskeyball?
yeah id like to know how well it compares with other sports; because, quite frankly, i have no idea if thats a good number xD

okay i just did a quick wiki search for the AFL finals television viewers. each year got roughly 3ish million, so 500k dont seem like a lot =[


Athletic sports (at least in the U.S.) get a significantly larger audience.

Think about it this way. Korea's overall population is about 50 million. 0.5 / 50 = about 1% of the entire population watched the OSL finals.

The NBA finals (i think in '06) had a viewership of 13 million. The USA has 300 million people. 13/300 = about 4% of the entire population watched the NBA finals.

Now, compare percentages: 1% vs 4%.

So, a decade-old computer game battle between two mega nerds attracts about 1/4 of what the NBA finals attracts.

I'D SAY THAT'S PRETTY DAMN FREAKING GOOD


To be fair, you should probably compare it to the popular sport in the U.S. (which is football).

"...the NBC television network broadcast attracted an average U.S. audience of 98.7 million viewers, making it the most-watched Super Bowl in history."

That's a lot of people. Not downplaying the 500k that OGN got, just gotta make a fair comparison.

That's for Super Bowl 43 (2009's).
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FaCE_1
Profile Blog Joined December 2006
Canada6185 Posts
January 29 2010 15:26 GMT
#43
stop comparing SPort in America vs e-Sport....

e-Sport will never be able to reach the popularity of Home town Sport club.

If you start talking about % in highest even (OSL Final is the highest even soo.) Try to find the % of ppl in Quebec that would watch the Hockey game if the Canadien was in the seven game of Stanley cup. I can tell you it would be over 30% of the population
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Iplaythings
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
Denmark9110 Posts
January 29 2010 15:29 GMT
#44
Well people should really compare it to how many young people there are. (Like, measuring the % of the group that it's aimed for). Then you can compare.
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Velr
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
Switzerland10939 Posts
January 29 2010 15:30 GMT
#45
I just made some comparisons to premier swiss football league..

Population 7-8 Million.
Avg people watching live at the stadiums:
Year 2009: ~9000
Year 2008 ~10'000

Average peoplle watching on TV (only the german channel, so your looking at a population of 4.5 Millions): 320'000.

These numbers get way higher for important games.


No, these OSL-Numbers are not impressive.
Ikonn
Profile Joined October 2009
Netherlands1958 Posts
January 29 2010 15:54 GMT
#46
On January 30 2010 00:30 Velr wrote:
I just made some comparisons to premier swiss football league..

Population 7-8 Million.
Avg people watching live at the stadiums:
Year 2009: ~9000
Year 2008 ~10'000

Average peoplle watching on TV (only the german channel, so your looking at a population of 4.5 Millions): 320'000.

These numbers get way higher for important games.


No, these OSL-Numbers are not impressive.


Football is a very old sport, accepted by the entire population of most countries in the world. Most people grew up with it.

Starcraft is ten years old and primarily aimed at youth.

Not comparable in that way.
haster27
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
Taiwan809 Posts
January 29 2010 16:04 GMT
#47
On January 29 2010 14:48 Sharp-eYe wrote:
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On January 29 2010 14:36 Shikyo wrote:
"- On Korean forums, approximately 3800 posts were made during the games"

I find it funny that just Teamliquid.net's live report thread of the finals had more posts than all the Korean forums had combined, in every thread.

because they were all talking about it real life. we dont have the luxury


Moreover, TL is international community. We should assume all Starcraft fans around the globe posted bar Korea - which does decrease the astounding number of TL's posts.
Holgerius
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Sweden16951 Posts
January 29 2010 16:05 GMT
#48
How the fuck can you compare football, the worlds biggest and most popular sport in the world, to SC?
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Velr
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
Switzerland10939 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-01-29 16:20:11
January 29 2010 16:13 GMT
#49
I compared the average football game in an 7.5 Million inhabitant country (4.5 Million when it comes to TV), which isn't even one of the absolute football crazy countries, to, the first or second most important, E-Sport final in an 80 Million country were this game is, as we are told, the 2/3d biggest Sport.

I wouldn't call this very "unfair".


0.01% of the total koreans watch the second most important final in one of their most favorite sports life... On swiss numbers this would be 750 guys that go watch a final.

All i want to say: It's just not impressive at all.
searcher
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
277 Posts
January 29 2010 16:35 GMT
#50
On January 30 2010 01:13 Velr wrote:

0.01% of the total koreans watch the second most important final in one of their most favorite sports life... On swiss numbers this would be 750 guys that go watch a final.

Mathematics fail. 500k/50 million = 1%, so 75,000 guys.
Velr
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
Switzerland10939 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-01-29 16:38:31
January 29 2010 16:37 GMT
#51
That was for people watching live.


I think it's great that there are actually *many* people that watch starcraft/e-sports... But i also think it's success gets overexagerated. Thats my whole point.
searcher
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
277 Posts
January 29 2010 16:55 GMT
#52
Comparing live events is not so straightforward. You have the fact that the venues cannot hold as many people as football stadiums (evidently from the OP the event was overattended and no doubt more would have come had they known the venue was larger). Also, the Swiss Super League has 10 teams, which means far fewer games per season than Starcraft, which means average attendances will be higher (you see this with the English Premier League vs the German Bundesliga, the latter has higher average attendance even the though the former is more popular because there are fewer games).
Nevertheless your overall point stands I think. There are many comparisons which make Starcraft's popularity seem nothing to get excited about. But given that it has only been 10 years since you could watch e-Sports on TV, and given that (as someone above has shown) it already has a quarter of the NBA's popularity, I'm not that disappointed.
motoroia
Profile Joined August 2009
Canada70 Posts
January 29 2010 17:11 GMT
#53
Ok, here's my general comparison between sports in Korea

Soccer - National soccer team matches generally produce high tv ratings, but K-league has lost its popularity over the past 3~4 years. I wouldn't say SC is as famous as K-league, but it's catching up.

Baseball - National baseball team&KBL has become very very popular over the past 3~4 years.

Basketball - no one gives a fuck.

Volleyball - the player with the highest salary gets paid half of what Bisu gets paid. I would say if OSL final and Volleyball final were taking place at the same time, 8 out of 10 would watch OSL

Other sports ( like the ones in Olympic such as swimming, wrestling, table tennis etc..) - they only get attentions during Olympics. As soon as Olympics is over, ppl don't give a shit anymore

motoroia
Profile Joined August 2009
Canada70 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-01-29 17:22:11
January 29 2010 17:14 GMT
#54
So my summary: Baseball (KBL)> Soccer(K-league) > SC > Basketball(KBL??) > others

exceptions are when national competitions like World Cup, WBC, Olympics etc. take place
SuperJongMan
Profile Blog Joined March 2003
Jamaica11586 Posts
January 29 2010 17:23 GMT
#55
For a relative comparison, I'd liek to know how many watched the world baseball thing Korea was in or just a big baseball event in korea. Unless Korea flipped around and no one likes baseball anymore... .... - -;; unposs
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meeple
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
Canada10211 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-01-29 17:28:26
January 29 2010 17:26 GMT
#56
I'd love to hear about some of the stats for TL.net from one of the server guys. It kept crashing the site and bugging out, what was overloaded?
CynanMachae
Profile Blog Joined September 2006
Canada1459 Posts
January 29 2010 17:49 GMT
#57
Lol nice stats, that's impressive
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Zoler
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Sweden6339 Posts
January 29 2010 17:51 GMT
#58
On January 29 2010 14:17 Sharp-eYe wrote:
and they said esports was dying there.


It is
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DreaM)XeRO
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
Korea (South)4667 Posts
January 29 2010 18:50 GMT
#59
wow. and with this and the new OSL sponsor the OSL leaps ahead of the MSL in prestige
cw)minsean(ru
Tom Phoenix
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
1114 Posts
January 29 2010 21:21 GMT
#60
These numbers are by no means impressive. Infact, they are a lot more grim then I anticipated.

Keep in mind that in their May 2008 presentation of the industry, KeSPA itself placed the number of e-Sports enthusiasts in Korea at around 18 million. Now keep in mind the following:

- In spite of a large number of e-Sports titles, StarCraft`s professional scene is still by far the most popular.
- The OSL Finals is one of the most important events in StarCraft progaming. It can preety much be described as an equivalent to Wimbledon in tennis and Champion`s League in football/soccer.

Considering those two facts and the figure above, the statistics presented here are abysmal at best and catastrophic at worst. It means that since 2008, the e-Sports industry in Korea has taken a significant nosedive.

I already knew before that not everything was great in Korea as far as e-Sports was concerned. But this makes me significantly more worried. =/
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