On January 24 2010 08:30 jalstar wrote: The actual "good arguments" have been ones relating to Kespa's unprofessionalism, whether it's right to ever award a game that's not over to someone (imo, no), and what the hell MBC was thinking in the first place with that stupid virtual studio.
Those aren't arguments. They're mostly just bitching.
Nobody liked how events turned out. That's not contentious, which is a feature that is mandatory to have arguments.
well that's why "good arguments" is in quotes, because everyone agrees, except for a few people saying the whole thing's fine and dandy because jaedong was ahead
I don't think that Kwark thought the series was fine and dandy. I don't think anyone did. I really think what he is doing is trying to illustrate to the wide world of noobs that Flash wasn't coming back from that. This issue has been irritatingly rampant, so why not applaud Kwark for working to dispel it.
Because Kwark is a dumbass for not realizing that giving a win to someone in any situation is terrible. A replay would have hurt Jaedong but it also would have been the fair thing to do, and the whole thing with Flash's dad and KT wouldn't have happened, leading to a fairer game 4.
Although there is no truly fair solution with the power going out, and whoever won regardless of what happened after that should get an asterisk next to the win.
JaeDong didn't get given a win. He earned a win when he defended Flash's allin at 7 and won the game. Flash hadn't typed out yet but the game was over. The formality of the typing out is important and ideally I'd be all over that. But it's not so important as the denying of a clear cut victory in the MSL finals. And those are your options. Option 1, say "sorry Flash, I know you weren't planning to type out for another 20 seconds but that's the way it is". Option 2, say "sorry JaeDong, you gotta do over, better hope that build works twice lol".
The choice seems pretty clear cut to me.
Let him play on a proleague map then, you'd think that with WL coming up they have builds prepared for those.
To me, the formality is what's important because it's the FINALS. It should be uncontested, and leave us with an undisputed better player. That's not what we got, especially with game 4 being what it was.
You honestly think it'd be less contested if JD won a game in all but name (as he did in game 3) and then had it taken away? Really? Imagine if Flash won game 3 then JD won game 4 and Flash won game 5. Everyone would know that it should have been 3-1. There would still be no doubt that JD won the original game 3, just as there is no doubt about it now. The difference is that it cost him the series.
I don't get how you can say that in order to make the winner less disputed you should take away a win from a player. Someone had to get something. Flash getting a regame would be way more disputable (such as the 3-2 win situation I mentioned above) than this was.
Flash getting a regame wouldn't have led to the hour-long delay and his shaky game 4 performance after seeing his dad erupt at Kespa/MBC. It would have been disputed, no doubt, but not as much as this. No way.
A regame would be fucking ridiculous You'd be pissed if you won the best game of your life and had to throw it out the window. You know it. Fucking Enraged. You'd be pissed if you were clearly losing a game and almost get lucky and get a regame but instead they give the other guy a win. At least you can pretend you have a legitimate reason to be angry.
Thanks kwark, this is amazing (and heavily biased towards Flash! ).
On January 24 2010 09:13 jalstar wrote: I think if it had been 2 dropships or something that would have let Flash get back in then Flash would have told someone about it, instead he seemed to take the defeat, he wasn't the one arguing, it was HOT-Forever, who only saw the cast and is a KT coach, and Flash's dad who probably doesn't know much about SC.
"Hi kespa, I had two dropships that I could have used to rape the shit out of JD. I should be awarded the win instead."
That's just ridiculous. Who would he tell? The crowd, the reporters, the refs?
It seems you need both halfs of the save file for this to work. But we just got it working again. Also you've both got vision and are allied. Forgot to change that before it ended.
On January 24 2010 09:10 AoN.Warrior-350- wrote: Has anyone tried this yet?
I get the error message "The game creator closed all available spots!" when I try to join the game from my other computer. Anyone know what I am doing wrong?
We're working on that.
The player who is trying to join as the terran must have the terran version of the save file and the zerg must have the zerg version of the save file. (From my experience with doing it for practice)
On January 24 2010 08:54 jalstar wrote: Flash getting a regame wouldn't have led to the hour-long delay and his shaky game 4 performance after seeing his dad erupt at Kespa/MBC. It would have been disputed, no doubt, but not as much as this. No way.
And yet you say in a different thread:
jalstar wrote: Kespa made the best of a bad situation here. It's MBC's fault for not having a backup generator.
Kespa didn't give Jaedong a win. Jaedong won the game himself, and the power went out before Flash could GG. I don't get why we have like 100 pages in other threads arguing about the ruling. Yeah, it sucks that it ended the way it did, but that game was over in every aspect except "gg" and anyone thinking Flash had a chance either wasn't watching the game closely or doesn't understand much of Starcraft =/
Everyone has poured over the VOD's. We have the best foreigners agreeing Jaedong had that game 99% won, and now Kwark has rigged this for Flash and he's still in bad shape. Regaming that match would have been outright robbery from Jaedong.
On January 24 2010 09:24 Tsagacity wrote: Kespa didn't give Jaedong a win. Jaedong won the game himself, and the power went out before Flash could GG. I don't get why we have like 100 pages in other threads arguing about the ruling. Yeah, it sucks that it ended the way it did, but that game was over in every aspect except "gg" and anyone thinking Flash had a chance either wasn't watching the game closely or doesn't understand much of Starcraft =/
Everyone has poured over the VOD's. We have the best foreigners agreeing Jaedong had that game 99% won, and now Kwark has rigged this for Flash and he's still in bad shape. Regaming that match would have been outright robbery from Jaedong.
Assuming you meant Idra, this is what he is saying:
On January 23 2010 21:49 IdrA wrote: since you quoted me under support for kespa's decision id like to point out that i thought it should be a regame, no one should be forced to take a loss when theres any appreciable chance of a win left.
wow jalstar, shut the fuck up, you are SO ANNOYING
"and you say this about a 1700+ poster who has never been warned/banned" rofl? your post count isn't like some elo score of how "quality" you are man.
at first i thought that the decision to give Jaedong the win was crazy, but now after realizing how the game was indeed "not close", it seems like the only right thing to do.
i just hate how they delayed so long with bringing it to game 4, obvobvobv
On January 24 2010 09:29 exalted wrote: at first i thought that the decision to give Jaedong the win was crazy, but now after realizing how the game was indeed "not close", it seems like the only right thing to do.
that's exactly what happened with me, i was just more vocal about it
On January 24 2010 08:54 jalstar wrote:Flash getting a regame wouldn't have led to the hour-long delay and his shaky game 4 performance after seeing his dad erupt at Kespa/MBC. It would have been disputed, no doubt, but not as much as this. No way.
This is speculation on your part assuming that JD's side wouldn't rage over the game having to be replayed because of having a game he basically won taken away from him. Also, KT and Flash's dad shouldn't have erupted in the first place so you can't really blame KeSPA or MBC for that. People get pissed off all the time over official decisions. I'm sure the coach of a basketball team would be furious and start a tantrum if his star player was ejected from a game, but should a player not be ejected just to keep the coach happy enough so that he doesn't throw his tantrum?
Obviously nobody is happy about the blackout, but it's a fact that it happened. The biggest thing that seems to be the problem here is that people believe because it's the final, there needs to be no question, but once the blackout happened, that became unavoidable. If there was a re-game, and Flash won, there would have always been the question of whether he indeed deserved that win when he was losing the first time around. It's an unfortunate event, but I believe from a decision standpoint, it was handled the best way it could have been given the point the game was at and the objective facts concerning the players' bases, resources, units, etc. It was enough for a reasonable conclusion to be drawn from it and because of this, they opted to validate the events that already took place in that game rather than void them and throw them away.
There's no doubt to me that the delay probably took a heavy toll on Flash in game 4, but that's not the fault of KeSPA so much as behavior from his father and team that you would normally ascribe to the parents of Little League children.
Ok. We've got the save file working with warrior and I. Bw does not like rep files of saved games (doesn't give the option to save them etc) and I couldn't upload it to repdepot but lastreplay seems to work.
If you want to get a rough idea of what each player might of had pause at the start of this rep and take a look. If you want to see how it might have gone then watch on.
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, and for staying cool-headed for a long time for these past couple of hours. 
