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TheBB
Switzerland5133 Posts
On January 24 2010 08:33 kNyTTyM wrote: I've already accepted Flash lost. I still feel robbed of an epic series though. So do I. This coming from a JD fanboy. We were all robbed. | ||
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jalstar
United States8198 Posts
On January 24 2010 08:36 thopol wrote: I don't think that Kwark thought the series was fine and dandy. I don't think anyone did. I really think what he is doing is trying to illustrate to the wide world of noobs that Flash wasn't coming back from that. This issue has been irritatingly rampant, so why not applaud Kwark for working to dispel it. Because Kwark is a dumbass for not realizing that giving a win to someone in any situation is terrible. A replay would have hurt Jaedong but it also would have been the fair thing to do, and the whole thing with Flash's dad and KT wouldn't have happened, leading to a fairer game 4. Although there is no truly fair solution with the power going out, and whoever won regardless of what happened after that should get an asterisk next to the win. | ||
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jodogohoo
Canada2533 Posts
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AoN.Warrior-350-
United States147 Posts
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KwarK
United States44400 Posts
On January 24 2010 08:39 jalstar wrote: Because Kwark is a dumbass for not realizing that giving a win to someone in any situation is terrible. A replay would have hurt Jaedong but it also would have been the fair thing to do, and the whole thing with Flash's dad and KT wouldn't have happened, leading to a fairer game 4. Although there is no truly fair solution with the power going out, and whoever won regardless of what happened after that should get an asterisk next to the win. JaeDong didn't get given a win. He earned a win when he defended Flash's allin at 7 and won the game. Flash hadn't typed out yet but the game was over. The formality of the typing out is important and ideally I'd be all over that. But it's not so important as the denying of a clear cut victory in the MSL finals. And those are your options. Option 1, say "sorry Flash, I know you weren't planning to type out for another 20 seconds but that's the way it is". Option 2, say "sorry JaeDong, you gotta do over, better hope that build works twice lol". The choice seems pretty clear cut to me. | ||
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jalstar
United States8198 Posts
On January 24 2010 08:40 AoN.Warrior-350- wrote: This isnt about mbc/Kespa giving Jaedong the game.... its about the fact that Jaedong did deserve the win... In a smaller venue I would agree, since no one would want their time wasted with a rematch. But in a Flash vs Jaedong MSL finals? As a fan I wanted a Best of 5 with complete games all around. I don't think anyone would complain about another game of Flash vs Jaedong. | ||
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Suc
Australia1569 Posts
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Deathfate
Spain555 Posts
On January 24 2010 08:25 Mindcrime wrote: What if he had a control group of bcs. We can't know he didn't, man. Maybe he did. This is flash we're talking about He had his Science Facility lifted somewhere in the middle-right part of the map so that impossible. | ||
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thopol
Japan4560 Posts
On January 24 2010 08:39 jalstar wrote: Because Kwark is a dumbass for not realizing that giving a win to someone in any situation is terrible. A replay would have hurt Jaedong but it also would have been the fair thing to do, and the whole thing with Flash's dad and KT wouldn't have happened, leading to a fairer game 4. Although there is no truly fair solution with the power going out, and whoever won regardless of what happened after that should get an asterisk next to the win. Stooping to personal attacks hardly makes your rote, inciting, comments more convincing. | ||
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KwarK
United States44400 Posts
On January 24 2010 08:40 jodogohoo wrote: rapidshit isn't working. [url blocked] | ||
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jalstar
United States8198 Posts
On January 24 2010 08:42 KwarK wrote: JaeDong didn't get given a win. He earned a win when he defended Flash's allin at 7 and won the game. Flash hadn't typed out yet but the game was over. The formality of the typing out is important and ideally I'd be all over that. But it's not so important as the denying of a clear cut victory in the MSL finals. And those are your options. Option 1, say "sorry Flash, I know you weren't planning to type out for another 20 seconds but that's the way it is". Option 2, say "sorry JaeDong, you gotta do over, better hope that build works twice lol". The choice seems pretty clear cut to me. Let him play on a proleague map then, you'd think that with WL coming up they have builds prepared for those. To me, the formality is what's important because it's the FINALS. It should be uncontested, and leave us with an undisputed better player. That's not what we got, especially with game 4 being what it was. | ||
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Neos
United States400 Posts
On January 24 2010 08:33 kNyTTyM wrote: I've already accepted Flash lost. I still feel robbed of an epic series though. Agreed, seeing that the 4th set could've been very different. | ||
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jodogohoo
Canada2533 Posts
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Mindcrime
United States6899 Posts
On January 24 2010 08:43 Battle wrote: He had his Science Facility lifted somewhere in the middle-right part of the map so that impossible. It's flash, man. He might have built another and left that one out there to throw jaedong off. | ||
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KwarK
United States44400 Posts
On January 24 2010 08:44 jalstar wrote: Let him play on a proleague map then, you'd think that with WL coming up they have builds prepared for those. To me, the formality is what's important because it's the FINALS. It should be uncontested, and leave us with an undisputed better player. That's not what we got, especially with game 4 being what it was. You honestly think it'd be less contested if JD won a game in all but name (as he did in game 3) and then had it taken away? Really? Imagine if Flash won game 3 then JD won game 4 and Flash won game 5. Everyone would know that it should have been 3-1. There would still be no doubt that JD won the original game 3, just as there is no doubt about it now. The difference is that it cost him the series. I don't get how you can say that in order to make the winner less disputed you should take away a win from a player. Someone had to get something. Flash getting a regame would be way more disputable (such as the 3-2 win situation I mentioned above) than this was. | ||
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thopol
Japan4560 Posts
On January 24 2010 08:44 jalstar wrote: Let him play on a proleague map then, you'd think that with WL coming up they have builds prepared for those. To me, the formality is what's important because it's the FINALS. It should be uncontested, and leave us with an undisputed better player. That's not what we got, especially with game 4 being what it was. Disputing game 3 is worthless. You finally have come around to making a comment that is relevant to this thread if interpreted a certain way. You frame it in a way that is totally irrelevant though, which is confusing. Also, to suggest they play on a map for which they did not have the week of preparation is ludicrous. It boggles the mind how you would consider a spur of the moment rematch on a map that wasn't on the lineup would be more fair than awarding the game to the player who was winning by a vast margin. | ||
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koreasilver
9109 Posts
On January 24 2010 08:43 Battle wrote: He had his Science Facility lifted somewhere in the middle-right part of the map so that impossible. Its Flash we're talking about. Nothing is impossible. | ||
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Amnesia
United States3818 Posts
On January 24 2010 08:43 Battle wrote: He had his Science Facility lifted somewhere in the middle-right part of the map so that impossible. WHAT IF HE HAD TWO HUH? | ||
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Foucault
Sweden2826 Posts
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koreasilver
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