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MrHoon *
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
10183 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-01-19 05:14:44
January 19 2010 03:04 GMT
#1
New maps were just released

haha wow I cannot believe this



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Judgment Day
Roadrunner





So these are the official maps for Ro3

New Heartbreak Ridge and Outsider SE get exchanged for Roadrunner and Judgment Day.

Fighting Spirit, Neo Moon Glaive, New Tornado and Match Point all stay without changes.
dats racist
MorningMusume11
Profile Blog Joined November 2007
United States3490 Posts
January 19 2010 03:07 GMT
#2
what the crap....
JadeFist
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
United States1225 Posts
January 19 2010 03:07 GMT
#3
Oh god those cliffs on Roadrunner are going to be abused so much lol...
darktreb
Profile Joined May 2007
United States3016 Posts
January 19 2010 03:07 GMT
#4
Wowow didn't expect them to bring back two more maps from testing
XinRan
Profile Blog Joined August 2008
United States530 Posts
January 19 2010 03:09 GMT
#5
The thirds are ridiculously close to the naturals... Looks like the second coming of arcadia.
"To be fair, Kal played like absolute garbage. His noted inconsistency and bad record versus Jaedong high fived into a cacophony of suck." - TwoToneTerran
blabber
Profile Blog Joined June 2007
United States4448 Posts
January 19 2010 03:09 GMT
#6
haha I was disappointed when they decided not to use Judgment Day. I'm glad by this decision.
blabberrrrr
jalstar
Profile Blog Joined September 2009
United States8198 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-01-19 03:11:05
January 19 2010 03:09 GMT
#7
Roadrunner still looks like Destination x2.

and they changed judgement day a lot, looks like a desert andromeda almost
MrHoon *
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
10183 Posts
January 19 2010 03:11 GMT
#8
wow did you know I seriously mistook Judgment Day for Guillotine
dats racist
justiceknight
Profile Blog Joined May 2008
Singapore5741 Posts
January 19 2010 03:11 GMT
#9
the maps are not 2.0 or something? Looks like I gonna dodge these maps + Show Spoiler +
cos i am a zerg
thopol
Profile Blog Joined May 2008
Japan4560 Posts
January 19 2010 03:12 GMT
#10
What what what?

New HBR is so cool. How're you gonna take out a 2 player and a 3 player map for two 4 player maps? That's infuriating.
jalstar
Profile Blog Joined September 2009
United States8198 Posts
January 19 2010 03:12 GMT
#11
On January 19 2010 12:11 justiceknight wrote:
the maps are not 2.0 or something? Looks like I gonna dodge these maps + Show Spoiler +
cos i am a zerg


I think judgement day could be pretty good for Zerg.

Roadrunner not so much.
MrHoon *
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
10183 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-01-19 03:19:04
January 19 2010 03:13 GMT
#12
On January 19 2010 12:11 justiceknight wrote:
the maps are not 2.0 or something? Looks like I gonna dodge these maps + Show Spoiler +
cos i am a zerg

really?

Alot of koreans are saying Roadrunner looks like a great Zerg map and Judgment day looks like a nice map to abuse carriers haha


MrHoon Totally forgot the existence of Mech Builds lolollool
dats racist
arcticStorm
Profile Joined January 2009
United States295 Posts
January 19 2010 03:14 GMT
#13
Why would they get rid of Outsider TT
This statement is a lie.
jalstar
Profile Blog Joined September 2009
United States8198 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-01-19 03:15:27
January 19 2010 03:14 GMT
#14
http://www.teamliquid.net/tlpd/maps/238_Judgment_Day/games

Yeah Judgement Day was pretty good for Zerg in testing.

Roadrunner might be Z>P but siege tanks, oh my god, siege tanks. Flash is gonna love Roadrunner.
NeCroPoTeNce
Profile Joined July 2009
United States513 Posts
January 19 2010 03:15 GMT
#15
what. the. fuck. I thought there was a reason that they didn't include Judgement day in the proleague initially. -_-
zerg all the way! Lee Jaedong hwaiting
theqat
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
United States2856 Posts
January 19 2010 03:15 GMT
#16
I love how Judgment Day looks and I agree that Roadrunner seems like Destination redux. Should be good
Too_MuchZerg
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
Finland2818 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-01-19 03:17:30
January 19 2010 03:16 GMT
#17
Judgement day is gonna be hard for ZvT. Most likely terran goes mech and has good lines for tanks to advance towards another base while getting new expansions. Those cliffs don't really help dealing with siege tank drops :D
GTR
Profile Blog Joined September 2004
51453 Posts
January 19 2010 03:17 GMT
#18
why use 6 maps in a 7 match round ~_~
Commentator
Thegilaboy
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States2018 Posts
January 19 2010 03:18 GMT
#19
Really don't like the look of these two maps at all, and the third is so close to the nat on Roadrunner, what the heck?
Too_MuchZerg
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
Finland2818 Posts
January 19 2010 03:18 GMT
#20
On January 19 2010 12:17 GTR wrote:
why use 6 maps in a 7 match round ~_~


6 Maps isn't enough to practice? Ace map can be one of the first three maps they play.
prototype.
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
Canada4202 Posts
January 19 2010 03:18 GMT
#21
judgment day is awesome, i love desert tiles
( ・´ー・`)
blabber
Profile Blog Joined June 2007
United States4448 Posts
January 19 2010 03:19 GMT
#22
should note that the mineral walls that were in Judgment Day when it was used in the testing were removed
blabberrrrr
jalstar
Profile Blog Joined September 2009
United States8198 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-01-19 03:22:28
January 19 2010 03:21 GMT
#23
I think Roadrunner is gonna be T>Z>P

Terran abuses tanks with the cliffs and bridges and maybe gets a new mech build that Zergs need to adapt to.

Zerg gets a close 3rd gas making +1 speedlot much harder.

PvT I dunno.

Judgement Day, Zerg beats everyone like on Andromeda, and Protoss goes carriers vs Terran.
AlwaysGG
Profile Joined March 2009
Taiwan952 Posts
January 19 2010 03:21 GMT
#24
andromeda is back~
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tree.hugger
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Philadelphia, PA10406 Posts
January 19 2010 03:25 GMT
#25
The axed Outsider, only the greatest map ever used. Shame.

And Judgment Day. Oh good grief.
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Kenpachi
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
United States9908 Posts
January 19 2010 03:27 GMT
#26
i kinda liked Roadrunner when i played terran on it o_O
Nada's body is South Korea's greatest weapon.
Too_MuchZerg
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
Finland2818 Posts
January 19 2010 03:27 GMT
#27
Good thing is that we are going to see some non mirrors because of winnersleague :D
Mastermind
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
Canada7096 Posts
January 19 2010 03:35 GMT
#28
I dont like either map. Judgement Day might be alright, but I dont think I will ever want to play roadrunner.
ndralcasid
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United States524 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-01-19 03:55:21
January 19 2010 03:40 GMT
#29
...fucking hell. Judgement Day??

They could have at least brought back Asgard...
I aint crying over some daggone danishes
Avidkeystamper
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
United States8552 Posts
January 19 2010 03:44 GMT
#30
Judgement Day is so uninspired, agree with above poster.
Jaedong
okum
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
France5778 Posts
January 19 2010 03:45 GMT
#31
On January 19 2010 12:18 prototype. wrote:
judgment day is awesome, i love desert tiles

There are good looking desert maps and then there's Judgment Day.
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Kenpachi
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
United States9908 Posts
January 19 2010 03:47 GMT
#32
wait wait wait...
no fucking hbr or outsider!?
+ Show Spoiler +
[image loading]
Nada's body is South Korea's greatest weapon.
Xiphos
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
Canada7507 Posts
January 19 2010 03:51 GMT
#33
Fuck this, they took away Outsider from us! That's it, I am not watching the Winner's League.
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meeple
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
Canada10211 Posts
January 19 2010 03:53 GMT
#34
Aside from aesthetics, I'd still want to see the kind of games that are played on these maps before judging them. Judgement Day doesn't look awful
FranzF1
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
Chile1710 Posts
January 19 2010 03:59 GMT
#35
Outsider... NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!

One of the best maps EVER.. really why did they do that..T_T
Member #99999^99 of the fanclub of Grape, Reality and TurN
Nevuk
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
United States16280 Posts
January 19 2010 04:30 GMT
#36
judgement day looks a lot like that one map. Oh yeah, Arcadia.
Roffles *
Profile Blog Joined April 2007
Pitcairn19291 Posts
January 19 2010 04:43 GMT
#37
                        Neo Guillotine                                                  Judgment Day
[image loading]
[image loading]


Looks like someone got lazy.
God Bless
Kyuukyuu
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Canada6263 Posts
January 19 2010 04:46 GMT
#38
why take outsider and hbr
sigh
Heyoka
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
Katowice25012 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-01-19 04:46:44
January 19 2010 04:46 GMT
#39
I thought we had decided both of these maps were terrible during pre season map tests.

WHY DO THEY DO THE MAP TESTS AT ALL THEN?


also: is it official when round3 starts?
@RealHeyoka | ESL / DreamHack StarCraft Lead
thopol
Profile Blog Joined May 2008
Japan4560 Posts
January 19 2010 04:52 GMT
#40
You know, normally I'm excited when I see new maps for any Korean league. Every time I see this thread it just makes me more angry.

The maps they removed are two of the finest maps that we have had, and they've been replaced with utter mediocrity. I mean, Roadrunner has a little bit of potential, but I don't see anything good about Judgment Day at all. Little potential to create fine games between them makes it all the worse considering the circumstances, since Outsider and HBR both seem to encourage very interesting sets. Somebody fucked up.
Xxio
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
Canada5565 Posts
January 19 2010 04:54 GMT
#41
Wowww

those maps are going to make for some very long, very interesting games
KTY
AzureEye
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
United States1360 Posts
January 19 2010 05:04 GMT
#42
Cliffable nats on Roadrunner

Fuck, thats the gayest thing in the world

screw that map, never touching it EVERRRRRR!!!!11
Terrans who whine: http://www.teamliquid.net/blogs/viewblog.php?topic_id=107788
synapse
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
China13814 Posts
January 19 2010 05:20 GMT
#43
I really hate Judgement Day... It's like a blindingly ugly and shitty Andro...

Roadrunner seems pretty good though
:)
ArvickHero
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
10387 Posts
January 19 2010 05:29 GMT
#44
So is it just me or does Judgement Day look very Terran favored?
Writerptrk
ArvickHero
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
10387 Posts
January 19 2010 05:44 GMT
#45
Next is bringing back Asgard and Acro for rounds 4 and 5...
Writerptrk
psion0011
Profile Joined December 2008
Canada720 Posts
January 19 2010 05:47 GMT
#46
Has there ever been a map that people didn't go "WOW SIEGE TANKS WILL RAPE HERE" when they first saw it? Like, in the history of starcraft?
hyst.eric.al
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
United States2332 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-01-19 05:50:15
January 19 2010 05:49 GMT
#47
coliseum and tornado
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sharkeyanti
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States1273 Posts
January 19 2010 05:58 GMT
#48
not a fan of either of those maps. New HBR has had some great games, and has one such a great dynamic to it. I can understand wanting to give Outsider a rest, but it's an excellent map.

I agree with those who feel adding two more 4-player maps at the expense of a 2- and 3-player map is the wrong decision.
Hi Mom
Katsuge
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
Singapore7730 Posts
January 19 2010 05:58 GMT
#49
judgement day looks yummy for tanks
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firedodo
Profile Joined November 2008
China116 Posts
January 19 2010 06:02 GMT
#50
Oh hell. I was expecting something really great from the map crew.

Yeah, I mean, if Outsider is out, please at least bring in El Nino.
cabarkapa
Profile Joined November 2009
United States1011 Posts
January 19 2010 06:03 GMT
#51
On January 19 2010 14:47 psion0011 wrote:
Has there ever been a map that people didn't go "WOW SIEGE TANKS WILL RAPE HERE" when they first saw it? Like, in the history of starcraft?

so basically SIEGE TANKS ARE IMBA NERF PLZ
Jaehoon - Master strategist
Shikyo
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Finland33997 Posts
January 19 2010 06:15 GMT
#52
The Koreans really are getting ready for Flash becoming the next Bonjwa, eh? Can't see him losing a game on these maps.
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Elyvilon
Profile Joined August 2008
United States13143 Posts
January 19 2010 06:50 GMT
#53
On January 19 2010 12:11 MrHoon wrote:
wow did you know I seriously mistook Judgment Day for Guillotine

I'm glad it wasn't just me
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thunk
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
United States6233 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-01-19 06:52:04
January 19 2010 06:51 GMT
#54
These maps better be good they have gigantic shoes to fill. Outsider and HBR were great maps that produced great games.

Not to mention a great deal of strategic plays.
Every time Jung Myung Hoon builds a vulture, two probes die. || My post count was a palindrome and I was never posting again.
0neder
Profile Joined July 2009
United States3733 Posts
January 19 2010 07:08 GMT
#55
Sad to see Outsider and New HBR go
Suc
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Australia1569 Posts
January 19 2010 08:00 GMT
#56
This will be a bit entertaining, incredibly happy to see outsider go and a bit sad to see new hbr go.
Hinanawi
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
United States2250 Posts
January 19 2010 08:02 GMT
#57
Unbelievably happy to see HBR gone. Hopefully forever.
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Vasoline73
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
United States7801 Posts
January 19 2010 08:44 GMT
#58
Outsider was a good map, but I'm not really too sad to see it go. :/.

HBR had good ZvP's but nothing else imo
Disregard
Profile Blog Joined March 2007
China10252 Posts
January 19 2010 08:46 GMT
#59
WTF? Why take out Outsider and add a imba map like Judgement Day again.
"If I had to take a drug in order to be free, I'm screwed. Freedom exists in the mind, otherwise it doesn't exist."
darktreb
Profile Joined May 2007
United States3016 Posts
January 19 2010 08:51 GMT
#60
On January 19 2010 14:47 psion0011 wrote:
Has there ever been a map that people didn't go "WOW SIEGE TANKS WILL RAPE HERE" when they first saw it? Like, in the history of starcraft?


Yeah seriously it happens almost every time. It's like people just scan maps for "Siege Tanks can hit spot X from spot Y OMG".
Megalisk
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
United States6095 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-01-19 08:52:41
January 19 2010 08:51 GMT
#61
On January 19 2010 17:02 Hinanawi wrote:
Unbelievably happy to see HBR gone. Hopefully forever.


NO DO NOT SAY THAT I THINK IM GOING TO CRY

Roadrunner looks rather bland for some reason, I was enticed by the cool road layout, but it looks like there is a lot more the could put on it, and I HATE FUCKING TINY BRIDGES..especially leading to the nat ;_;..

I wasn't around to ever see guillotine, judgement day looks really cool though.though I don't like that there is very little high ground..mostly flat..
Tear stained american saints and dirty guitar dreams across a universe of desert and blue sky , gas station coffee love letters and two dollar pistol kisses from thirty five dollar hotel room stationary .
kyzers0ze
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
Singapore1073 Posts
January 19 2010 09:09 GMT
#62
roadrunner looks like a zerg playground
8==========))
Megalisk
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
United States6095 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-01-19 09:12:35
January 19 2010 09:11 GMT
#63
On January 19 2010 18:09 kyzers0ze wrote:
roadrunner looks like a zerg playground


Muta harass is going to be awesome .
Tear stained american saints and dirty guitar dreams across a universe of desert and blue sky , gas station coffee love letters and two dollar pistol kisses from thirty five dollar hotel room stationary .
Ricjames
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
Czech Republic1047 Posts
January 19 2010 09:21 GMT
#64
I don't like these maps, but haven't tried to play on them so i guess it is early to judge. Judgement day is like worse sister of Andromeda.. well time will show. It is funny i played like 5 games on outsider and it is removed already. When you don't have time to play everyday, you just can't learn all those maps in this fast releasing rate.
Brood War is the best RTS that has ever been created.
jalstar
Profile Blog Joined September 2009
United States8198 Posts
January 19 2010 09:23 GMT
#65
On January 19 2010 18:09 kyzers0ze wrote:
roadrunner looks like a zerg playground


z>p probably, but flash or fantasy will likely invent a map-specific mech build that makes t rape z on that map.
Megalisk
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
United States6095 Posts
January 19 2010 09:32 GMT
#66
On January 19 2010 18:23 jalstar wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 19 2010 18:09 kyzers0ze wrote:
roadrunner looks like a zerg playground


z>p probably, but flash or fantasy will likely invent a map-specific mech build that makes t rape z on that map.


If mech becomes standardized on any of these maps I will staunchly refuse to play them like I have refused to play ZvT on Desti..mech is so annoying!
Tear stained american saints and dirty guitar dreams across a universe of desert and blue sky , gas station coffee love letters and two dollar pistol kisses from thirty five dollar hotel room stationary .
Holgerius
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Sweden16951 Posts
January 19 2010 09:53 GMT
#67
Noooo, Outisider was so awesome!
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Iplaythings
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
Denmark9110 Posts
January 19 2010 10:15 GMT
#68
On January 19 2010 18:53 Holgerius wrote:
Noooo, Outisider was so awesome!

QFT!
In the woods, there lurks..
Glaucus
Profile Joined June 2009
479 Posts
January 19 2010 10:35 GMT
#69
Outsider was one of the best island maps ever and it was super fun. But it was a bit imba. HBR wasn't fun and not really balanced either.

But will these be more balanced?
Catch]22
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
Sweden2683 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-01-19 10:56:44
January 19 2010 10:55 GMT
#70
Finally, no more Z > T < P maps, ofc HBR and Outsider were awesome maps, but what a hate-love relationship it was.
Waxangel
Profile Blog Joined September 2002
United States33390 Posts
January 19 2010 11:28 GMT
#71
roadrunner seems to have some pretty bad positional imbalances
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Kiante
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
Australia7069 Posts
January 19 2010 12:15 GMT
#72
As a protoss player, these maps give me nightmares I can imagine pvt being ok on judgement, but apart from that i probably wont touch them
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Tekin
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
2711 Posts
January 19 2010 12:21 GMT
#73
roadrunner the vulture map. eh!
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29 fps
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
United States5724 Posts
January 19 2010 12:26 GMT
#74
i dont mind the new maps, but the ones they chose to remove were the good ones
4v4 is a battle of who has the better computer.
Necosarius
Profile Blog Joined September 2009
Sweden4042 Posts
January 19 2010 12:29 GMT
#75
On January 19 2010 14:47 psion0011 wrote:
Has there ever been a map that people didn't go "WOW SIEGE TANKS WILL RAPE HERE" when they first saw it? Like, in the history of starcraft?


lol yeah, remember when Katrina was new to the scene? Oh the whine about tanks imba tvp.
Catch]22
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
Sweden2683 Posts
January 19 2010 12:38 GMT
#76
Noone sees the similarities between Roadrunner and Nostalgia?
konadora *
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
Singapore66163 Posts
January 19 2010 12:58 GMT
#77
Judgement Day looks like Andromeda now lolol

Totally expected New HBR and Outsider SE to be removed. Despite the new changes, HBR was overused and Outsider SE was still kinda imbalanced (and used quite long too).

Looks like the only change in Roadrunner is the center of the map.

I like the map pool change :D
POGGERS
ThePhan2m
Profile Blog Joined September 2004
Norway2750 Posts
January 19 2010 13:31 GMT
#78
On January 19 2010 20:28 Waxangel wrote:
roadrunner seems to have some pretty bad positional imbalances

exactly what I thought. Imagine TvT with almost having to take the 3rd right next to the enemy main Oo
konadora *
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
Singapore66163 Posts
January 19 2010 14:05 GMT
#79
Lol I just noticed the crater things for Roadrunner at the third gas.
POGGERS
CTStalker
Profile Blog Joined November 2004
Canada9720 Posts
January 19 2010 14:53 GMT
#80
On January 19 2010 12:11 MrHoon wrote:
wow did you know I seriously mistook Judgment Day for Guillotine

yeah, that's exactly what i thought. guillotine was so awesome, one of the best pvz's i've ever seen was on that map. i forget the players, but the toss went reaver/sair into mass archons.
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Malinor
Profile Joined November 2008
Germany4727 Posts
January 19 2010 15:03 GMT
#81
Judgement Day is basically Andromeda in my book. OK, at least there are no islands.

Roadrunner looks horrible though.
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Pholon
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
Netherlands6142 Posts
January 19 2010 15:17 GMT
#82
Maybe they took out the 2p/3p maps to avoid cheese? Winner's league will give rise to that due to unprepared players. Make sense at all?
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zealing
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Canada806 Posts
January 19 2010 15:26 GMT
#83
I don't think I like how the 3rd and 2nd are like right becide each other in JD, some Terran is probably just going to wall and get both of them at the same time :S Same thing can even apply to Protoss.
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Catch]22
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
Sweden2683 Posts
January 19 2010 16:16 GMT
#84
On January 20 2010 00:26 zealing wrote:
I don't think I like how the 3rd and 2nd are like right becide each other in JD, some Terran is probably just going to wall and get both of them at the same time :S Same thing can even apply to Protoss.


And 3 hatch is going to net you an extra mineral patch, its the same for all races, and same as Andromeda tbh.
Cambium
Profile Blog Joined June 2004
United States16368 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-01-19 16:46:56
January 19 2010 16:46 GMT
#85
terrans are gonna have a field day with judgement day...
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SubtleArt
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
2710 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-01-19 16:54:21
January 19 2010 16:52 GMT
#86
Cross positions on Judgement day seems REALLLLy annoying TvP

EDIT: Just a random thought, there have not been many desert maps lately. What happened to colloseum? I loved that map
Morrow on ZvP: "I'm not very confident in general vs Protoss because of the imbalance (Yes its imbalanced, get over it)."
Snausages
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
United States529 Posts
January 19 2010 17:08 GMT
#87
both maps look so ugly compared to the other, current ones. It's like they were made by amateurs.
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Ideas
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
United States8103 Posts
January 19 2010 17:11 GMT
#88
goodbye HBR and outsider, you were some of the best maps of all time
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HaXXspetten
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
Sweden15718 Posts
January 19 2010 17:27 GMT
#89
Judgement Day is ok, but Roadrunner? I mean, really?
.risingdragoon
Profile Joined January 2008
United States3021 Posts
January 19 2010 17:53 GMT
#90
here comes the mirrors

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thopol
Profile Blog Joined May 2008
Japan4560 Posts
January 19 2010 18:09 GMT
#91
On January 20 2010 00:17 Pholon wrote:
Maybe they took out the 2p/3p maps to avoid cheese? Winner's league will give rise to that due to unprepared players. Make sense at all?

This sounds reasonable. In fact, it makes a ton of sense. The new maps may not be as interesting as the ones they removed, but they may increase the percentage of good long games because of the cheese factor alone. Good call.

That said, I almost prefer creative cheese to rote macro wars. I can see Roadrunner being something more than the very standard macro we're so accustomed to, Judgment Day seems standard/boring as hell. I'm sure it will yield some great games, but I just wish there were more in the way of oddball maps.
Metronome
Profile Joined October 2008
United States98 Posts
January 19 2010 18:23 GMT
#92
NOOOOOOO outsider and HBR!!!!!!
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Carnivorous Sheep
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
Baa?21243 Posts
January 19 2010 18:25 GMT
#93
FML -.-

Why is Winner's League always cursed with shit maps? Last time it was RH3, now this crap...baa...

Outsider was a GREAT map why did it get taken out T.T
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monkxly
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Canada241 Posts
January 19 2010 18:36 GMT
#94
omg these maps are so bad for z,

judgement day zvt is gonna be hell T_T
get a spire
Crunchums
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
United States11144 Posts
January 19 2010 19:00 GMT
#95
noooooooooooooooooooo
HBR and Outsider have definitely had their time in the sun but these new ones are icky
brood war for life, brood war forever
Fx_
Profile Joined April 2008
503 Posts
January 19 2010 21:15 GMT
#96
On January 19 2010 13:43 Roffles wrote:
                        Neo Guillotine                                                  Judgment Day
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Looks like someone got lazy.


agreed
Power is your Intelligence
tree.hugger
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Philadelphia, PA10406 Posts
January 19 2010 21:36 GMT
#97
Judgment Day looks like a serious mech TvZ map.
- Wall-in at nat.
- Small corridors, difficult to flank.

Also 12 nexus looks pretty strong here as well.

Meanwhile, Roadrunner looks like the differences between the 2/8 expos and the 11/5 expos might be a little imba. Guardians would be really strong in those 2/8 pockets, not to mention all over the middle. Lurkers on the bridges... easy flank and backstab capabilities. Zerg imba, imo.
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Catch]22
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
Sweden2683 Posts
January 19 2010 22:09 GMT
#98
On January 20 2010 06:15 Fx_ wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 19 2010 13:43 Roffles wrote:
                        Neo Guillotine                                                  Judgment Day
[image loading]
[image loading]


Looks like someone got lazy.


agreed


I dont agree at all, Judgement Day has a lot more easily defendable main, nat and min 3rd together, the 4th is alot easier to take and defend aswell.

They LOOK similar, but I think they will be played out completely different. If you're going to compare Judgement Day to anything, Andromeda is ALOT better.
khersai
Profile Joined April 2008
Poland366 Posts
January 19 2010 22:14 GMT
#99
Judgement Day = Andromeda wo islands
will the Legendary Protoss please stand up, please stand up
Scorch
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
Austria3371 Posts
January 19 2010 22:21 GMT
#100
Both new maps are very boring macro maps with no distinguishing features at all. I don't understand why they took out Outsider and HBR, they were popular, unique maps, more or less balanced, and produced lots of great games.
Hinanawi
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
United States2250 Posts
January 19 2010 22:31 GMT
#101
The answer should be pretty clear...

Outsider
Outsider SE

Heartbreak Ridge
New Heartbreak Ridge

See a pattern? Huge numbers of ZvZs. ZvZ is bad for ratings (especially after the horrible OSL/MSL ZvZs last season), but they happen so often because most teams send out double-Zergs (instead of double-Terran or double-Protoss).

Basically they're trying to kill Swarm Season before it kills Starcraft.

I wish they'd get rid of Moon Glaive too, though.
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Cedstick
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
Canada3336 Posts
January 19 2010 22:34 GMT
#102
How the fuck can you get rid of HBR? Revolt!
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Shield
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
Bulgaria4824 Posts
January 19 2010 22:37 GMT
#103
Those maps aren't really new. They were released before.
sharkeyanti
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States1273 Posts
January 19 2010 23:11 GMT
#104
Bring back Peaks of Baedu!
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Nal_rAwr
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
United States2611 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-01-19 23:19:20
January 19 2010 23:18 GMT
#105
On January 20 2010 07:37 slimshady wrote:
Those maps aren't really new. They were released before.

Yes, they have been released before

I have actually been playing on these two since a few months ago
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RoieTRS
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States2569 Posts
January 19 2010 23:22 GMT
#106
sair/reaver looks like ezmode on judgement day just like on andromeda. Just you gotta wall off the "islands" with forge+cannons.

sair/reaver -> sair/carrier looks even better on jud than andro.
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DonBotwin
Profile Joined December 2009
Canada15 Posts
January 20 2010 02:16 GMT
#107
well they got rid of my least favorite map outsider (fu recall) and put in an andromeda and a wierd map that's going to be nigh impossible to hold a 4th gas. Oh well change is good.
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Two_DoWn
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States13684 Posts
January 20 2010 05:10 GMT
#108
I think that both these maps are intended to get rid of all the TvT's on moon glaive. Hard to justify sending your 1 good terran out for that map when you could send him out on either of these new maps.
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Catch]22
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
Sweden2683 Posts
January 20 2010 15:45 GMT
#109
Which is the newest Judgement day, the one without the temporary blocked natural, or the one without (the one without is the one on Hoons picture).

Also, where can I download it?
wswordsmen
Profile Joined October 2007
United States987 Posts
January 20 2010 15:49 GMT
#110
On January 21 2010 00:45 Catch]22 wrote:
Which is the newest Judgement day, the one without the temporary blocked natural, or the one without (the one without is the one on Hoons picture).

Also, where can I download it?

The newest one is in the OP.
Catch]22
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
Sweden2683 Posts
January 20 2010 16:02 GMT
#111
Ok, thanks, so where can I download it? Want to get a feel for the map rather than just discussing it.
Vlanitak
Profile Joined November 2009
Norway3045 Posts
January 20 2010 17:55 GMT
#112
hm... both look interesting, but will they be able to take over for the ones replaced? time will tell... time will tell
washed
LordWeird
Profile Blog Joined November 2007
United States3411 Posts
January 20 2010 18:45 GMT
#113
On January 21 2010 01:02 Catch]22 wrote:
Ok, thanks, so where can I download it? Want to get a feel for the map rather than just discussing it.


I too really want to try it out ;_;
Chains none
Pyrrhuloxia
Profile Blog Joined May 2008
United States6700 Posts
January 20 2010 19:20 GMT
#114
On January 20 2010 07:31 Hinanawi wrote:
The answer should be pretty clear...

Outsider
Outsider SE

Heartbreak Ridge
New Heartbreak Ridge

See a pattern? Huge numbers of ZvZs. ZvZ is bad for ratings (especially after the horrible OSL/MSL ZvZs last season), but they happen so often because most teams send out double-Zergs (instead of double-Terran or double-Protoss).

Basically they're trying to kill Swarm Season before it kills Starcraft.

I wish they'd get rid of Moon Glaive too, though.

I think Zergs have been less common on these maps lately... maybe cuz I tend to watch Khan. There have been a lot of PvPs on Outsider and ZvTs/PvTs on NHBR.
SubtleArt
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
2710 Posts
January 20 2010 19:47 GMT
#115
Old outsider was 44% TvZ and 58% PvZ...it really wasnt that balanced (double gas always favors the race that gets more expos). It did make for a ton of exciting and unique games though. HBR PvZ is exciting but nothing else is so oh well.
Morrow on ZvP: "I'm not very confident in general vs Protoss because of the imbalance (Yes its imbalanced, get over it)."
Zozma
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
United States1626 Posts
January 20 2010 20:45 GMT
#116
I think Judgement Day will have some positional imbalance for ZvT and ZvP...
Pyrrhuloxia
Profile Blog Joined May 2008
United States6700 Posts
January 20 2010 20:47 GMT
#117
On January 21 2010 05:45 Zozma wrote:
I think Judgement Day will have some positional imbalance for ZvT and ZvP...

Yeah, I guess Kespa and I are both too lazy for rotational balance.
Shatter
Profile Joined October 2009
United States1401 Posts
January 20 2010 20:51 GMT
#118
Roadrunner looks good, reminds me of Destination. Judgement Day I don't really like. Sad to see HBR go.
Bill Murray
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States9292 Posts
January 20 2010 21:07 GMT
#119
personally, i love both Andromeda and Guillotine. therefore, Judgment Day for me seems amazing.

Roadrunner appears to be a bastard child of Destination and Fighting Spirit
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Glioburd
Profile Joined April 2008
France1911 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-01-21 17:02:32
January 21 2010 17:01 GMT
#120
Road runner has the same kind of battle zone than Arcadia.
Judgement Day is as Arcadia for base and expand .
Old school <3

Are Roadrunner and Judgement Day available in 1.00 version ?
Iv' got in my mappack the 0.9 version.
"You should hate loosing, but you should never fear defeat." NaDa.
50bani
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
Romania480 Posts
January 21 2010 17:46 GMT
#121
Outsider and Heartbreak Ridge were not more balanced than the average proleague map. Not at all. Outsider was indeed interesting and non standard but it was very difficult for terrans to play on. We, as spectators are losing some potentially interesting games but a lot of players don't want to play on it.

That being said, we definitely need some better maps for TvP. Roadrunner seems to be one, similar to Tornado. They put more water on them to make them effectively smaller, so Protoss would be less powerful. In fact, I believe that the game has evolved in such a way that 128x128 maps are too big for TvP and we need smaller maps to keep the matchup balanced. PvZ also gets a boost since Protoss really needs an easier to take 3rd base(not quite as easy as on Matchpoint though) so that they don't fall behind economically when facing the dreaded 5hatch hydra. Compact maps are the way to go.
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koreasilver
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
9109 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-01-21 17:53:38
January 21 2010 17:50 GMT
#122
Judgement Day seems pretty shitty for ZvT even though map tests suggest otherwise.
raga4ka
Profile Joined February 2008
Bulgaria5679 Posts
January 22 2010 18:48 GMT
#123
On January 22 2010 02:50 koreasilver wrote:
Judgement Day seems pretty shitty for ZvT even though map tests suggest otherwise.


I acttually find it pretty good ... You can probably get 3 base with 3 hat just like andromeda and other maps ...
Catch]22
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
Sweden2683 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-01-22 18:52:01
January 22 2010 18:51 GMT
#124
I expect to see alot of cliffdrops on Judgement Day, awesome map for iloveoov build!

Still noone who has the new version of the maps?
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