EPThaha wow I cannot believe this
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So these are the official maps for Ro3
New Heartbreak Ridge and Outsider SE get exchanged for Roadrunner and Judgment Day.
Fighting Spirit, Neo Moon Glaive, New Tornado and Match Point all stay without changes.
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MrHoon
10183 Posts
haha wow I cannot believe this So these are the official maps for Ro3 New Heartbreak Ridge and Outsider SE get exchanged for Roadrunner and Judgment Day. Fighting Spirit, Neo Moon Glaive, New Tornado and Match Point all stay without changes. | ||
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MorningMusume11
United States3490 Posts
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JadeFist
United States1225 Posts
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darktreb
United States3016 Posts
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XinRan
United States530 Posts
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blabber
United States4448 Posts
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jalstar
United States8198 Posts
and they changed judgement day a lot, looks like a desert andromeda almost | ||
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MrHoon
10183 Posts
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justiceknight
Singapore5741 Posts
cos i am a zerg | ||
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thopol
Japan4560 Posts
New HBR is so cool. How're you gonna take out a 2 player and a 3 player map for two 4 player maps? That's infuriating. | ||
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jalstar
United States8198 Posts
On January 19 2010 12:11 justiceknight wrote: the maps are not 2.0 or something? Looks like I gonna dodge these maps + Show Spoiler + cos i am a zerg I think judgement day could be pretty good for Zerg. Roadrunner not so much. | ||
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MrHoon
10183 Posts
On January 19 2010 12:11 justiceknight wrote: the maps are not 2.0 or something? Looks like I gonna dodge these maps + Show Spoiler + cos i am a zerg Alot of koreans are saying Roadrunner looks like a great Zerg map and Judgment day looks like a nice map to abuse carriers haha MrHoon Totally forgot the existence of Mech Builds lolollool | ||
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arcticStorm
United States295 Posts
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jalstar
United States8198 Posts
Yeah Judgement Day was pretty good for Zerg in testing. Roadrunner might be Z>P but siege tanks, oh my god, siege tanks. Flash is gonna love Roadrunner. | ||
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NeCroPoTeNce
United States513 Posts
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theqat
United States2856 Posts
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Too_MuchZerg
Finland2818 Posts
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GTR
51453 Posts
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Thegilaboy
United States2018 Posts
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Too_MuchZerg
Finland2818 Posts
On January 19 2010 12:17 GTR wrote: why use 6 maps in a 7 match round ~_~ 6 Maps isn't enough to practice? Ace map can be one of the first three maps they play. | ||
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prototype.
Canada4202 Posts
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blabber
United States4448 Posts
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jalstar
United States8198 Posts
Terran abuses tanks with the cliffs and bridges and maybe gets a new mech build that Zergs need to adapt to. Zerg gets a close 3rd gas making +1 speedlot much harder. PvT I dunno. Judgement Day, Zerg beats everyone like on Andromeda, and Protoss goes carriers vs Terran. | ||
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AlwaysGG
Taiwan952 Posts
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tree.hugger
Philadelphia, PA10406 Posts
And Judgment Day. Oh good grief. | ||
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Kenpachi
United States9908 Posts
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Too_MuchZerg
Finland2818 Posts
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Mastermind
Canada7096 Posts
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ndralcasid
United States524 Posts
They could have at least brought back Asgard... | ||
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Avidkeystamper
United States8552 Posts
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okum
France5778 Posts
On January 19 2010 12:18 prototype. wrote: judgment day is awesome, i love desert tiles There are good looking desert maps and then there's Judgment Day. | ||
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Kenpachi
United States9908 Posts
no fucking hbr or outsider!? + Show Spoiler + ![[image loading]](http://media.corrado-club.ca/albums/Misc-Stuff/FFFFUUUUUU.png) | ||
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Xiphos
Canada7507 Posts
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meeple
Canada10211 Posts
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FranzF1
Chile1710 Posts
One of the best maps EVER.. really why did they do that..T_T | ||
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Nevuk
United States16280 Posts
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Roffles
Pitcairn19291 Posts
![[image loading]](http://i715.photobucket.com/albums/ww151/Selffor/NeoGuillotine-1.jpg) ![[image loading]](http://i715.photobucket.com/albums/ww151/Selffor/JudgeDay-1.jpg) Looks like someone got lazy. | ||
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Kyuukyuu
Canada6263 Posts
sigh | ||
Heyoka
Katowice25012 Posts
WHY DO THEY DO THE MAP TESTS AT ALL THEN? also: is it official when round3 starts? | ||
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thopol
Japan4560 Posts
The maps they removed are two of the finest maps that we have had, and they've been replaced with utter mediocrity. I mean, Roadrunner has a little bit of potential, but I don't see anything good about Judgment Day at all. Little potential to create fine games between them makes it all the worse considering the circumstances, since Outsider and HBR both seem to encourage very interesting sets. Somebody fucked up. | ||
Xxio
Canada5565 Posts
those maps are going to make for some very long, very interesting games | ||
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AzureEye
United States1360 Posts
Fuck, thats the gayest thing in the world screw that map, never touching it EVERRRRRR!!!!11 | ||
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synapse
China13814 Posts
Roadrunner seems pretty good though  | ||
ArvickHero
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ArvickHero
10387 Posts
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psion0011
Canada720 Posts
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hyst.eric.al
United States2332 Posts
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sharkeyanti
United States1273 Posts
I agree with those who feel adding two more 4-player maps at the expense of a 2- and 3-player map is the wrong decision. | ||
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Katsuge
Singapore7730 Posts
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firedodo
China116 Posts
Yeah, I mean, if Outsider is out, please at least bring in El Nino. | ||
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cabarkapa
United States1011 Posts
On January 19 2010 14:47 psion0011 wrote: Has there ever been a map that people didn't go "WOW SIEGE TANKS WILL RAPE HERE" when they first saw it? Like, in the history of starcraft? so basically SIEGE TANKS ARE IMBA NERF PLZ | ||
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Shikyo
Finland33997 Posts
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Elyvilon
United States13143 Posts
On January 19 2010 12:11 MrHoon wrote: wow did you know I seriously mistook Judgment Day for Guillotine I'm glad it wasn't just me | ||
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thunk
United States6233 Posts
Not to mention a great deal of strategic plays. | ||
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0neder
United States3733 Posts
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Suc
Australia1569 Posts
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Hinanawi
United States2250 Posts
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Vasoline73
United States7801 Posts
HBR had good ZvP's but nothing else imo | ||
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Disregard
China10252 Posts
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darktreb
United States3016 Posts
On January 19 2010 14:47 psion0011 wrote: Has there ever been a map that people didn't go "WOW SIEGE TANKS WILL RAPE HERE" when they first saw it? Like, in the history of starcraft? Yeah seriously it happens almost every time. It's like people just scan maps for "Siege Tanks can hit spot X from spot Y OMG". | ||
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Megalisk
United States6095 Posts
On January 19 2010 17:02 Hinanawi wrote: Unbelievably happy to see HBR gone. Hopefully forever. NO DO NOT SAY THAT I THINK IM GOING TO CRY Roadrunner looks rather bland for some reason, I was enticed by the cool road layout, but it looks like there is a lot more the could put on it, and I HATE FUCKING TINY BRIDGES..especially leading to the nat ;_;.. I wasn't around to ever see guillotine, judgement day looks really cool though.though I don't like that there is very little high ground..mostly flat.. | ||
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kyzers0ze
Singapore1073 Posts
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Megalisk
United States6095 Posts
On January 19 2010 18:09 kyzers0ze wrote: roadrunner looks like a zerg playground Muta harass is going to be awesome  . | ||
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Ricjames
Czech Republic1047 Posts
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jalstar
United States8198 Posts
On January 19 2010 18:09 kyzers0ze wrote: roadrunner looks like a zerg playground z>p probably, but flash or fantasy will likely invent a map-specific mech build that makes t rape z on that map. | ||
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Megalisk
United States6095 Posts
On January 19 2010 18:23 jalstar wrote: z>p probably, but flash or fantasy will likely invent a map-specific mech build that makes t rape z on that map. If mech becomes standardized on any of these maps I will staunchly refuse to play them like I have refused to play ZvT on Desti..mech is so annoying! | ||
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Holgerius
Sweden16951 Posts
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Iplaythings
Denmark9110 Posts
On January 19 2010 18:53 Holgerius wrote: Noooo, Outisider was so awesome! QFT! | ||
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Glaucus
479 Posts
But will these be more balanced? | ||
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Catch]22
Sweden2683 Posts
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Waxangel
United States33390 Posts
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Kiante
Australia7069 Posts
I can imagine pvt being ok on judgement, but apart from that i probably wont touch them | ||
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Tekin
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29 fps
United States5724 Posts
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Necosarius
Sweden4042 Posts
On January 19 2010 14:47 psion0011 wrote: Has there ever been a map that people didn't go "WOW SIEGE TANKS WILL RAPE HERE" when they first saw it? Like, in the history of starcraft? lol yeah, remember when Katrina was new to the scene? Oh the whine about tanks imba tvp. | ||
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Catch]22
Sweden2683 Posts
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konadora
Singapore66163 Posts
Totally expected New HBR and Outsider SE to be removed. Despite the new changes, HBR was overused and Outsider SE was still kinda imbalanced (and used quite long too). Looks like the only change in Roadrunner is the center of the map. I like the map pool change :D | ||
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ThePhan2m
Norway2750 Posts
On January 19 2010 20:28 Waxangel wrote: roadrunner seems to have some pretty bad positional imbalances exactly what I thought. Imagine TvT with almost having to take the 3rd right next to the enemy main Oo | ||
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konadora
Singapore66163 Posts
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CTStalker
Canada9720 Posts
On January 19 2010 12:11 MrHoon wrote: wow did you know I seriously mistook Judgment Day for Guillotine yeah, that's exactly what i thought. guillotine was so awesome, one of the best pvz's i've ever seen was on that map. i forget the players, but the toss went reaver/sair into mass archons. | ||
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Malinor
Germany4727 Posts
Roadrunner looks horrible though. | ||
Pholon
Netherlands6142 Posts
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zealing
Canada806 Posts
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Catch]22
Sweden2683 Posts
On January 20 2010 00:26 zealing wrote: I don't think I like how the 3rd and 2nd are like right becide each other in JD, some Terran is probably just going to wall and get both of them at the same time :S Same thing can even apply to Protoss. And 3 hatch is going to net you an extra mineral patch, its the same for all races, and same as Andromeda tbh. | ||
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Cambium
United States16368 Posts
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SubtleArt
2710 Posts
EDIT: Just a random thought, there have not been many desert maps lately. What happened to colloseum? I loved that map | ||
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Snausages
United States529 Posts
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Ideas
United States8101 Posts
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HaXXspetten
Sweden15718 Posts
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.risingdragoon
United States3021 Posts
![[image loading]](http://www.iwatchstuff.com/2008/06/19/mirrors-poster-sutherland.jpg) | ||
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thopol
Japan4560 Posts
On January 20 2010 00:17 Pholon wrote: Maybe they took out the 2p/3p maps to avoid cheese? Winner's league will give rise to that due to unprepared players. Make sense at all? This sounds reasonable. In fact, it makes a ton of sense. The new maps may not be as interesting as the ones they removed, but they may increase the percentage of good long games because of the cheese factor alone. Good call. That said, I almost prefer creative cheese to rote macro wars. I can see Roadrunner being something more than the very standard macro we're so accustomed to, Judgment Day seems standard/boring as hell. I'm sure it will yield some great games, but I just wish there were more in the way of oddball maps. | ||
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Metronome
United States98 Posts
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Carnivorous Sheep
Baa?21243 Posts
Why is Winner's League always cursed with shit maps? Last time it was RH3, now this crap...baa... Outsider was a GREAT map why did it get taken out T.T | ||
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monkxly
Canada241 Posts
judgement day zvt is gonna be hell T_T | ||
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Crunchums
United States11144 Posts
HBR and Outsider have definitely had their time in the sun but these new ones are icky | ||
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Fx_
503 Posts
On January 19 2010 13:43 Roffles wrote: Neo Guillotine Judgment Day Looks like someone got lazy. agreed | ||
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tree.hugger
Philadelphia, PA10406 Posts
- Wall-in at nat. - Small corridors, difficult to flank. Also 12 nexus looks pretty strong here as well. Meanwhile, Roadrunner looks like the differences between the 2/8 expos and the 11/5 expos might be a little imba. Guardians would be really strong in those 2/8 pockets, not to mention all over the middle. Lurkers on the bridges... easy flank and backstab capabilities. Zerg imba, imo. | ||
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Catch]22
Sweden2683 Posts
I dont agree at all, Judgement Day has a lot more easily defendable main, nat and min 3rd together, the 4th is alot easier to take and defend aswell. They LOOK similar, but I think they will be played out completely different. If you're going to compare Judgement Day to anything, Andromeda is ALOT better. | ||
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khersai
Poland366 Posts
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Scorch
Austria3371 Posts
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Hinanawi
United States2250 Posts
Outsider Outsider SE Heartbreak Ridge New Heartbreak Ridge See a pattern? Huge numbers of ZvZs. ZvZ is bad for ratings (especially after the horrible OSL/MSL ZvZs last season), but they happen so often because most teams send out double-Zergs (instead of double-Terran or double-Protoss). Basically they're trying to kill Swarm Season before it kills Starcraft. I wish they'd get rid of Moon Glaive too, though. | ||
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Cedstick
Canada3336 Posts
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Shield
Bulgaria4824 Posts
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sharkeyanti
United States1273 Posts
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Nal_rAwr
United States2611 Posts
On January 20 2010 07:37 slimshady wrote: Those maps aren't really new. They were released before. Yes, they have been released before I have actually been playing on these two since a few months ago | ||
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RoieTRS
United States2569 Posts
sair/reaver -> sair/carrier looks even better on jud than andro. | ||
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DonBotwin
Canada15 Posts
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Two_DoWn
United States13684 Posts
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Catch]22
Sweden2683 Posts
Also, where can I download it? | ||
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wswordsmen
United States987 Posts
On January 21 2010 00:45 Catch]22 wrote: Which is the newest Judgement day, the one without the temporary blocked natural, or the one without (the one without is the one on Hoons picture). Also, where can I download it? The newest one is in the OP. | ||
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Catch]22
Sweden2683 Posts
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Vlanitak
Norway3045 Posts
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LordWeird
United States3411 Posts
On January 21 2010 01:02 Catch]22 wrote: Ok, thanks, so where can I download it? Want to get a feel for the map rather than just discussing it. I too really want to try it out ;_; | ||
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Pyrrhuloxia
United States6700 Posts
On January 20 2010 07:31 Hinanawi wrote: The answer should be pretty clear... Outsider Outsider SE Heartbreak Ridge New Heartbreak Ridge See a pattern? Huge numbers of ZvZs. ZvZ is bad for ratings (especially after the horrible OSL/MSL ZvZs last season), but they happen so often because most teams send out double-Zergs (instead of double-Terran or double-Protoss). Basically they're trying to kill Swarm Season before it kills Starcraft. I wish they'd get rid of Moon Glaive too, though. I think Zergs have been less common on these maps lately... maybe cuz I tend to watch Khan. There have been a lot of PvPs on Outsider and ZvTs/PvTs on NHBR. | ||
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SubtleArt
2710 Posts
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Zozma
United States1626 Posts
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Pyrrhuloxia
United States6700 Posts
On January 21 2010 05:45 Zozma wrote: I think Judgement Day will have some positional imbalance for ZvT and ZvP... Yeah, I guess Kespa and I are both too lazy for rotational balance. | ||
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Shatter
United States1401 Posts
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Bill Murray
United States9292 Posts
Roadrunner appears to be a bastard child of Destination and Fighting Spirit | ||
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Glioburd
France1911 Posts
Judgement Day is as Arcadia for base and expand .Old school <3 Are Roadrunner and Judgement Day available in 1.00 version ? Iv' got in my mappack the 0.9 version. | ||
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50bani
Romania480 Posts
That being said, we definitely need some better maps for TvP. Roadrunner seems to be one, similar to Tornado. They put more water on them to make them effectively smaller, so Protoss would be less powerful. In fact, I believe that the game has evolved in such a way that 128x128 maps are too big for TvP and we need smaller maps to keep the matchup balanced. PvZ also gets a boost since Protoss really needs an easier to take 3rd base(not quite as easy as on Matchpoint though) so that they don't fall behind economically when facing the dreaded 5hatch hydra. Compact maps are the way to go. | ||
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koreasilver
9109 Posts
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raga4ka
Bulgaria5679 Posts
On January 22 2010 02:50 koreasilver wrote: Judgement Day seems pretty shitty for ZvT even though map tests suggest otherwise. I acttually find it pretty good ... You can probably get 3 base with 3 hat just like andromeda and other maps ... | ||
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Catch]22
Sweden2683 Posts
Still noone who has the new version of the maps? | ||
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