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Majk
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Sweden146 Posts
October 15 2009 21:57 GMT
#461
Well, I agree that this is a shift in the metagame, but I don't think its just going to pass by that easy, not when stats are above 60%, that's huge! Sure, the race-imbalances exist and I accept that, I just can't see a simple way back when the game have a natural Z>P. This little shift have changed it to P<<Z=T=P which makes the whole game towards Zerg>all.

The game has evolved for 10 years and SC2 is knocking at the door, I really don't think the BW-scene has that many seasons left. I want these last seasons to be fair and balanced, I want the last days of BW to be epic battles where the best players duke it out without any major imbalances! I really don't think there's time to wait for a new Revolutionist... The best way to balance up the game again must be to change the maps. The sooner people recognize all this, the sooner we'll see a change in the imba Z>all Pro-scene.
vx70GTOJudgexv
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
United States3161 Posts
October 15 2009 22:53 GMT
#462
Didn't Artosis put something out a while ago that stats are only half the story, and that if the world's best players are Terrans, then Terran matchups should be favored and so on and so forth. So if our best player in the world is a Zerg, and a lot of good Zergs are blooming as well (Calm, EffOrt, ZerO, Kwanro, Yarnc, Luxury), then it would make sense that the Zerg matchups are favored?

-> Could be blatantly misinterpreting the blog.
(-_-) BW for ever. #1 Iris fan.
d_so
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
Korea (South)3262 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-10-16 00:18:15
October 16 2009 00:17 GMT
#463
who was that toss that crushed jaedong with a 3 gate? 4 gate? dragoon range rush. i think that was 1 base play and it was ownage

toss should at least mix in those strats to keep zerg honest
manner
Ideas
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
United States8161 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-10-16 00:27:51
October 16 2009 00:27 GMT
#464
On October 16 2009 07:53 vx70GTOJudgexv wrote:
Didn't Artosis put something out a while ago that stats are only half the story, and that if the world's best players are Terrans, then Terran matchups should be favored and so on and so forth. So if our best player in the world is a Zerg, and a lot of good Zergs are blooming as well (Calm, EffOrt, ZerO, Kwanro, Yarnc, Luxury), then it would make sense that the Zerg matchups are favored?

-> Could be blatantly misinterpreting the blog.


http://www.teamliquid.net/blogs/viewblog.php?topic_id=70545

I think you're right on the money.
Free Palestine
synapse
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
China13814 Posts
October 16 2009 00:33 GMT
#465
On October 16 2009 09:17 d_so wrote:
who was that toss that crushed jaedong with a 3 gate? 4 gate? dragoon range rush. i think that was 1 base play and it was ownage

toss should at least mix in those strats to keep zerg honest


Movie i believe - goon timing attack
:)
mOnion
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
United States5657 Posts
October 16 2009 00:43 GMT
#466
On October 16 2009 05:47 PaiNt) wrote:
Maybe you should just play Zerg


but mooooooom
zerg is harrrrrd
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mOnion
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
United States5657 Posts
October 16 2009 00:44 GMT
#467
On October 16 2009 09:33 synapse wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 16 2009 09:17 d_so wrote:
who was that toss that crushed jaedong with a 3 gate? 4 gate? dragoon range rush. i think that was 1 base play and it was ownage

toss should at least mix in those strats to keep zerg honest


Movie i believe - goon timing attack


4 gate before stargate, it was an fe build. i remember b/c i was shouting at the screen WTFWTFWTF to the alarm of my suite mates.
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kroko
Profile Blog Joined May 2004
Finland2136 Posts
October 16 2009 00:50 GMT
#468
Old ass build... Even I used that back in the WGT days, sometimes with stargate bluff, canceling after ovi leaves...
Problem with that build is that its all-in. No coming back if it fails.
I have Sick Timing and UnReal Macro
asl-ninja
Profile Blog Joined September 2009
78 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-10-16 01:03:50
October 16 2009 00:59 GMT
#469

fun game probaly shoulda failed if jaedong build 2 sunkens tho
Entusman #41 asl-ninja!
lokiM
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
United States3407 Posts
October 16 2009 01:08 GMT
#470
building 2 sunkens wouldn't have done anything
You can't fight the feeling.
koreasilver
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
9109 Posts
October 16 2009 01:15 GMT
#471
Sunks get owned by ranged goons.
Ideas
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
United States8161 Posts
October 16 2009 01:28 GMT
#472
woulda failed if jaedong remembered that lings are better vs goons than hydras are
Free Palestine
koreasilver
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
9109 Posts
October 16 2009 01:30 GMT
#473
He skipped lingspeed though.
Sharp-eYe
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
Canada642 Posts
October 16 2009 02:07 GMT
#474
On October 16 2009 09:17 d_so wrote:
who was that toss that crushed jaedong with a 3 gate? 4 gate? dragoon range rush. i think that was 1 base play and it was ownage

toss should at least mix in those strats to keep zerg honest

it was mOvie yo. He also does an impressive corsair reaver. I agree with this 100%. I mean Stork beat JD with a 1 gate tech (or 1 gate into expansion or something, but the point is it was 8 pylon 10 gate, not a fast nexus)!
Are you truly so blinded by your vaunted religion, that you can't see the fall ahead of you? - Zeratul III AKA WikidSik ingame (anygame)
hyst.eric.al
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
United States2332 Posts
October 16 2009 02:26 GMT
#475
nothing else to say except firefist vs bisu. ZvP imba.
Leta , BeSt, Calm fan forever! 김정우, I am sorry I ever lost faith in you.
Jayme
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
United States5866 Posts
October 16 2009 02:30 GMT
#476
On October 16 2009 11:26 hyst.eric.al wrote:
nothing else to say except firefist vs bisu. ZvP imba.


Cry some more. Better scouting needed.
Python is garbage, number 1 advocate of getting rid of it.
koreasilver
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
9109 Posts
October 16 2009 02:31 GMT
#477
Slowzealots straggling behind goons in big fights = dead goons, dead zealots.
Harem
Profile Joined November 2007
United States11393 Posts
October 16 2009 02:32 GMT
#478
On October 16 2009 11:26 hyst.eric.al wrote:
nothing else to say except firefist vs bisu. ZvP imba.

Firefist has never even played vs Bisu.
Moderator。◕‿◕。
Hittegods
Profile Joined April 2007
Stockholm4641 Posts
October 16 2009 02:42 GMT
#479
On October 16 2009 07:53 vx70GTOJudgexv wrote:
Didn't Artosis put something out a while ago that stats are only half the story, and that if the world's best players are Terrans, then Terran matchups should be favored and so on and so forth. So if our best player in the world is a Zerg, and a lot of good Zergs are blooming as well (Calm, EffOrt, ZerO, Kwanro, Yarnc, Luxury), then it would make sense that the Zerg matchups are favored?

-> Could be blatantly misinterpreting the blog.

And how do we know a player is good, unless judging by results? Which doesn't really help. "Protoss players aren't doing well, so they are bad, and shouldn't do well. Zerg players are doing well, so they are good, and should be doing well."
This neo violence, pure self defiance
Avidkeystamper
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
United States8556 Posts
October 16 2009 02:55 GMT
#480
On October 16 2009 11:31 koreasilver wrote:
Slowzealots straggling behind goons in big fights = dead goons, dead zealots.

Not to mention no corsairs with his army to ward off the mutalisks even though Bisu, unlike a lot of other protoss players, managed to prevent them from dying.
Jaedong
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