On October 14 2009 23:19 Hot_Bid wrote:
guess what, Z and T players aren't whiney emos. Amirite!!?!?
guess what, Z and T players aren't whiney emos. Amirite!!?!?
Apparently you have never read an Artosis post, MISTER
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Heyoka
Katowice25012 Posts
On October 14 2009 23:19 Hot_Bid wrote: guess what, Z and T players aren't whiney emos. Amirite!!?!? Apparently you have never read an Artosis post, MISTER | ||
bluetrolls
United States139 Posts
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Camlito
Australia4040 Posts
On October 15 2009 00:09 OneOther wrote: Show nested quote + On October 14 2009 23:25 keV. wrote: On October 14 2009 23:19 Hot_Bid wrote: because guess what, Z and T players aren't whiney emos. Amirite!!?!? ZING! Tassadar, more like TEARsadar if you ask me ZING terran and zerg players cry the most lol | ||
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motbob
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United States12546 Posts
On October 15 2009 00:08 Hot_Bid wrote: Show nested quote + On October 15 2009 00:03 Manit0u wrote: On October 14 2009 23:19 Hot_Bid wrote: Proleague 2007-2009 Race Stats (non-mirrors): TvZ: 248-200 ZvP: 216-200 PvT: 268-235 According to this, we should be complaining about TvZ and PvT more right? But those threads don't get made because guess what, Z and T players aren't whiney emos. Amirite!!?!? Actually, we should only look at the most recent games. The time fram you gave is large enough and I do remember Protosses dominating everything for a while which affects the statistics. If it was 216-160 (made up this numbers now) and now it's 216-200 for example then it might seem like P's are doing fine while in reality they don't. We have to wait a month or two to get to any real conclusions. All the maps and meta-game must pass the "beginning of a season" unpredictability and when it goes stable we'll be able to gather enough data. Well, we all know it goes in cycles, if it comes out even after 2 years, doesn't that support the idea that the recent Z>P trend is just temporary? YES IS DOES, WHICH IS WHAT I WROTE IN THE OP ASFBYUASFBSAIUFHAB | ||
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alffla
Hong Kong20321 Posts
i think u should just stop reading replies to ur own thread >_> | ||
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Heyoka
Katowice25012 Posts
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BluzMan
Russian Federation4235 Posts
On October 15 2009 00:12 Shikyo wrote: Show nested quote + On October 14 2009 23:05 ArvickHero wrote: On October 14 2009 22:55 Ftrunkz wrote: [B]On October 14 2009 22: so if this will be the next trend of building 9 muta to snipe the templars why not let the zerg waste them on hallucinated templars ???] Because burning the templars mana on hallu kinda defeats the purpose of keeping them alive... I think a build similar to bisus build 1st game is the answer + Show Spoiler + corsair heavy relatively early + Show Spoiler + I might be wrong, but corsair heavy builds come in the cost of army size, which is what we saw in game 1, Bisu's rather tiny army (plus no templars) I really think a game patch that allows you to unwarp templars from archons while it's still building would help a LOT. You can't? Since people have been glitching DTs through by morphing them. Or is this only for DA but not for Archon? In this case, that's quite dumb. You can't unmorph either kind of archons. The huge ball of energy must have something to do with being unable to come back. Maybe it's like mixing urine and wine. Once you start, there's no coming back. | ||
InToTheWannaB
United States4770 Posts
On October 14 2009 23:19 Hot_Bid wrote: Proleague 2007-2009 Race Stats (non-mirrors): TvZ: 248-200 ZvP: 216-200 PvT: 268-235 According to this, we should be complaining about TvZ and PvT more right? But those threads don't get made because guess what, Z and T players aren't whiney emos. Amirite!!?!? I always knew TvZ was imba! Fucking Irad is gay | ||
a11
Germany300 Posts
On October 15 2009 00:12 Shikyo wrote: Show nested quote + On October 14 2009 23:05 ArvickHero wrote: On October 14 2009 22:55 Ftrunkz wrote: [B]On October 14 2009 22: so if this will be the next trend of building 9 muta to snipe the templars why not let the zerg waste them on hallucinated templars ???] Because burning the templars mana on hallu kinda defeats the purpose of keeping them alive... I think a build similar to bisus build 1st game is the answer + Show Spoiler + corsair heavy relatively early + Show Spoiler + I might be wrong, but corsair heavy builds come in the cost of army size, which is what we saw in game 1, Bisu's rather tiny army (plus no templars) I really think a game patch that allows you to unwarp templars from archons while it's still building would help a LOT. You can't? Since people have been glitching DTs through by morphing them. Or is this only for DA but not for Archon? In this case, that's quite dumb. You simple have more than two DTs and then morph two of them, hopefully glitching some of the remaining ones up. | ||
AzureEye
United States1360 Posts
On October 15 2009 01:45 InToTheWannaB wrote: Show nested quote + On October 14 2009 23:19 Hot_Bid wrote: Proleague 2007-2009 Race Stats (non-mirrors): TvZ: 248-200 ZvP: 216-200 PvT: 268-235 According to this, we should be complaining about TvZ and PvT more right? But those threads don't get made because guess what, Z and T players aren't whiney emos. Amirite!!?!? I always knew TvZ was imba! Fucking Irad is gay There is a fucking thread about ZvP imbalance while there are no threads about TvZ imbalance? Unacceptable. TvZ is the most imba matchup (favor of T of course) and the statistics I quoted reflect it. What the hell is 248-200? It's like saying, Hey I switched my race to Z, come kill me Terrans | ||
PH
United States6173 Posts
SC isn't even possibly or conceivably imbalanced until the highest possible levels of play (Korean progamer level), which means it doesn't affect you. | ||
Kullosus
Canada18 Posts
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lokiM
United States3407 Posts
On September 25 2009 22:14 Chill wrote: Show nested quote + On September 25 2009 17:24 lokiM wrote: I'm guessing you got destroyed by some random zerg, and you are only comparing the pro scene destination @ iccup zvp = 51% 16,000 games Outsider @ iccup zvp = 50.89% over 3,000+ games Neo Medusa @ iccup zvp = 52% with just under 3k games seems pretty balanced to me.. That's cool, you are giving him shit for compaing random players to the pro scene. Oh wait then you're sourcing ICCup D games to prove map balance at the pro scene. I posted that against his very first OP, until he edited it up saying he was only talking about the pro scene. Before he edited it, he was just complaining about overal 'imbalance' | ||
okum
France5778 Posts
On October 15 2009 02:49 PH wrote: Why is everyone crying about problems that don't exist... SC isn't even possibly or conceivably imbalanced until the highest possible levels of play (Korean progamer level), which means it doesn't affect you. It affects me when all games to watch near starleague finals are ZvZ ![]() | ||
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Harem
United States11390 Posts
On October 15 2009 02:55 Kullosus wrote: Look at GomTV Classic Season 2. Nothing but Protoss, In fact it where Bisu asserted his dominance over zergs by defeating Jaedong Bisu never beat JD that GOM season. (He then proceeded to lose to JD in the special event) | ||
Promises
Netherlands1821 Posts
In the end its always going to to be hard to say what the exact problem is, but when I play the MU (at very, very low level) it seems I have to cover for so many things, while the Zerg doesnt ever have to be all that surprised, at least in the early game. If I dont go Fexp my options are quite clear and counterable, even if scouted a bit late, if I go fexp my options are quite predictable aswell. As far as I know Bisu's been the only one having regular succes against high class Zergs, and that seems to stem more from incredible control on multiple fronts (harass etc) then from just having a "sollution" that everyone can use. | ||
zulu_nation8
China26351 Posts
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Sadist
United States7205 Posts
On October 15 2009 01:45 InToTheWannaB wrote: Show nested quote + On October 14 2009 23:19 Hot_Bid wrote: Proleague 2007-2009 Race Stats (non-mirrors): TvZ: 248-200 ZvP: 216-200 PvT: 268-235 According to this, we should be complaining about TvZ and PvT more right? But those threads don't get made because guess what, Z and T players aren't whiney emos. Amirite!!?!? I always knew TvZ was imba! Fucking Irad is gay i wish i was at the level where i could exploit the "imba" =( | ||
eMbrace
United States1300 Posts
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ArvickHero
10387 Posts
On October 15 2009 00:12 Shikyo wrote: Show nested quote + On October 14 2009 23:05 ArvickHero wrote: On October 14 2009 22:55 Ftrunkz wrote: [B]On October 14 2009 22: so if this will be the next trend of building 9 muta to snipe the templars why not let the zerg waste them on hallucinated templars ???] Because burning the templars mana on hallu kinda defeats the purpose of keeping them alive... I think a build similar to bisus build 1st game is the answer + Show Spoiler + corsair heavy relatively early + Show Spoiler + I might be wrong, but corsair heavy builds come in the cost of army size, which is what we saw in game 1, Bisu's rather tiny army (plus no templars) I really think a game patch that allows you to unwarp templars from archons while it's still building would help a LOT. You can't? Since people have been glitching DTs through by morphing them. Or is this only for DA but not for Archon? In this case, that's quite dumb. I remember asking about it in the thread when Bisu morphed the HT to save them, but got slaughtered for having no storms, with everyone saying no that's not possible. I think the possibility of being able to morph an Archon to save the HTs from the Mutas and then unmorphing them when the mutas go away is huge, it's a very minor change that won't affect anything else but this, and would make PvZ more balanced. | ||
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