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On September 01 2009 04:22 Jonoman92 wrote:NrG.Mayka is on there, he seemed like a nice guy and a decent player 
I was very surprised to see Mayka on this list. I refuse to believe that Mayka hacked or use ANY third party program at all. He is a great person, and a great player who has no reason to use a hack at all. I have played him many many times before and i never saw any signs of him using a hack or anything. I'm not saying this because i'm just his teammate. I'm just saying this because he isn't the type of person to use a hack. Even one of our teammates who used to be an admin said that the iccup system is very buggy.
edit: a very unhappy 200th post D=
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....hilarious this whole situation :D
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mG.lopto has a livestream channel eh?
kinda sad to think someone like that or anyone for that matter would hack at such a competitive level..
gj to the admins for catching 'em though..
too bad that even the 'safehaven' for hack-free starcraft has now been infiltrated by ppl w/ no honor.
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Well sorry for the blind rage but this case is just a big bs. Things will get sorted out these days anyway so it's just a matter of time.
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I'll make a little catchup post / info post for those who are just getting here.
This method as far as anyone knows is 100% accurate in detecting a tool that allows third party programs to be loaded with starcraft. It does not detect cheating hacks specifically, only the tool which allows for a multitude of programs such as apm live, advloader, and of course maphacks.
I will go on the record saying that personally I believe almost every one on that list used maphack, but certainly there are some who only used it for other tools.
There is a slight controversy however, some users including idra have posted that some non-hacking users have been inacurratly flagged, like skyroo1004 (BG) and a CJ entus B team user.
The main connection between the two is that they may have used the brainclan launcher, if you've ever watched a replay from brainclan it shows [Brainclan version 9.02] or something similar at the start of the text.
I think someone with access to the launcher should get in contact with an ICCup admin and try testing it out.
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On August 31 2009 12:17 RaGe wrote:Show nested quote +On August 31 2009 12:15 Manifesto7 wrote:On August 31 2009 12:04 IdrA wrote:
definitely not fool proof
one of those ids belongs to a semi pro who practices in the cj house
so unless he was sharing the account or something these can be suspect The check determines if he is using another program, and that program could be anything from a hack to an apm counter. You might want to ask him if he is using any other program. Or maybe he is a hacker too. I think you're wrong Mani. The check determines whether you use the iccup anti anti-hack (or a program that works in a similar way to avoid detection). If you do that, even just to be able to load APMLive, you're on the list. So either the code is buggy (given IdrA's counterexample), or the account was shared.
Manifesto7 is right. It detects everything including the "killer".
PS: For those who "me no hack" and "my friend no hack": its a memory modification and I don't really care what was the cause. Is it so hard to use clean StarCraft while playing ICCup?
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On September 01 2009 05:22 jimminy_kriket wrote:
It does not detect cheating hacks specifically, only the tool which allows for a multitude of programs such as apm live, advloader, and of course maphacks.
Wrong, read my previous post. It detects everything among with a tool you mentioned.
I understand that detecting a tool we would see clearly who was really trying to bypass anti-hack. But this would require an update causing a tool to become non-function.
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Python_Max is the man!
Anyway im waiting for some ip checks of the smurfs so we can see who others are using hacks!
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On September 01 2009 05:04 Sosha wrote:
mG.lopto has a livestream channel eh?
kinda sad to think someone like that or anyone for that matter would hack at such a competitive level..
gj to the admins for catching 'em though..
too bad that even the 'safehaven' for hack-free starcraft has now been infiltrated by ppl w/ no honor.
always has been always will be infiltrated by those with no honour. But here's to reducing the numbers.
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Fucking 23 pages and all I saw was a ton of new posting people on this thread. Hacker threads always bring out sewer scum. However, I do have to say that I'm going to miss Claz for the time being. I don't think he should just be black listed, though. He's a good guy. A month or two off should be a good what-for.
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On September 01 2009 05:24 Python_Max wrote:Show nested quote +On September 01 2009 05:22 jimminy_kriket wrote:
It does not detect cheating hacks specifically, only the tool which allows for a multitude of programs such as apm live, advloader, and of course maphacks. Wrong, read my previous post. It detects everything among with a tool you mentioned. I understand that detecting a tool we would see clearly who was really trying to bypass anti-hack. But this would require an update causing a tool to become non-function.
so if someone would have had his brainclan launcher on while being on the iccup launcher would your system have flagged him?
imo im pretty sure that ALOT of the other high ranked koreans would have had their brainclan launcher's on while they would be playing on iccup(theres just so many players.. the odds of none of them having it on is almost impossible), if it did flag those who had their brain launcher on the number of high ranked korean players would have been alot higher and right now none of them are on that list, so basically i have doubts about this justification being legit
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On September 01 2009 05:24 Python_Max wrote:Show nested quote +On September 01 2009 05:22 jimminy_kriket wrote:
It does not detect cheating hacks specifically, only the tool which allows for a multitude of programs such as apm live, advloader, and of course maphacks. Wrong, read my previous post. It detects everything among with a tool you mentioned. I understand that detecting a tool we would see clearly who was really trying to bypass anti-hack. But this would require an update causing a tool to become non-function.
I understand it catches everything, but the vast vast vast majority of these users were caught using the bypass tool right?
Edit: So trying to understand this, this list contains both the "normal" flagged users, ie people are probably caught trying to use oblivion on iccup daily, and also people using the bypass tool?
How many people normally show up on a day to day basis? Enough to say a decent amount of these people were just trying to hack without using the bypass tool?
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On September 01 2009 06:05 iamtt1 wrote:Show nested quote +On September 01 2009 05:24 Python_Max wrote:On September 01 2009 05:22 jimminy_kriket wrote:
It does not detect cheating hacks specifically, only the tool which allows for a multitude of programs such as apm live, advloader, and of course maphacks. Wrong, read my previous post. It detects everything among with a tool you mentioned. I understand that detecting a tool we would see clearly who was really trying to bypass anti-hack. But this would require an update causing a tool to become non-function. so if someone would have had his brainclan launcher on while being on the iccup launcher would your system have flagged him? imo im pretty sure that ALOT of the other high ranked koreans would have had their brainclan launcher's on while they would be playing on iccup(theres just so many players.. the odds of none of them having it on is almost impossible), if it did flag those who had their brain launcher on the number of high ranked korean players would have been alot higher and right now none of them are on that list
Yes i though of this also, but i was trying to figure out how a possible explination as to why a fpvod streamer and a cjentus member were caught.
And yeah i agree, its pretty much impossible for it to have been brainclan launcher like you said, way more koreans would have been flagged if it was.
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for the streamer, he could have been hacking on the times he wasnt streaming in order to rank up and then turned off his hack while he was streaming(to show that he was a legit player), in order to compensate for his newbiness he would have just played alot less ladder games and more friendly games(just a hypothesis) but just watching his skill level while he was streaming should have been enough to notice if he really was a good or bad player
dunno about the cj semi-pro
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On September 01 2009 05:22 Python_Max wrote:Show nested quote +On August 31 2009 12:17 RaGe wrote:On August 31 2009 12:15 Manifesto7 wrote:On August 31 2009 12:04 IdrA wrote:
definitely not fool proof
one of those ids belongs to a semi pro who practices in the cj house
so unless he was sharing the account or something these can be suspect The check determines if he is using another program, and that program could be anything from a hack to an apm counter. You might want to ask him if he is using any other program. Or maybe he is a hacker too. I think you're wrong Mani. The check determines whether you use the iccup anti anti-hack (or a program that works in a similar way to avoid detection). If you do that, even just to be able to load APMLive, you're on the list. So either the code is buggy (given IdrA's counterexample), or the account was shared. Manifesto7 is right. It detects everything including the "killer". PS: For those who "me no hack" and "my friend no hack": its a memory modification and I don't really care what was the cause. Is it so hard to use clean StarCraft while playing ICCup?
I think once or twice I've logged off West while on Chaos Launcher, and logged on iCCup without shutting everything down and loading up iCCup Launcher. I always got banned in the lobby for having no anti-hack though ahaha.
Not really too surprised about some of the names from TL. General lack of respect toward others + Strong desire for fame/respect + unimpressive work ethic = hacker waiting to happen.
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Just curious, for those who are defending the people who are on the list. What's the most logical excuse to the following iccup admin comment?
"Answering this before it was posted: Fact that you never got any problems with launcher before and managed to play a lot of games and suddenly started having problems with some small check being implemented is very convenient."
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On September 01 2009 06:05 iamtt1 wrote:Show nested quote +On September 01 2009 05:24 Python_Max wrote:On September 01 2009 05:22 jimminy_kriket wrote:
It does not detect cheating hacks specifically, only the tool which allows for a multitude of programs such as apm live, advloader, and of course maphacks. Wrong, read my previous post. It detects everything among with a tool you mentioned. I understand that detecting a tool we would see clearly who was really trying to bypass anti-hack. But this would require an update causing a tool to become non-function. so if someone would have had his brainclan launcher on while being on the iccup launcher would your system have flagged him? imo im pretty sure that ALOT of the other high ranked koreans would have had their brainclan launcher's on while they would be playing on iccup(theres just so many players.. the odds of none of them having it on is almost impossible), if it did flag those who had their brain launcher on the number of high ranked korean players would have been alot higher and right now none of them are on that list, so basically i have doubts about this justification being legit
I have no idea what is brainclan launcher.
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it's a launcher for the brain clan server lol <_< name kinda explains it.
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On September 01 2009 06:25 iamtt1 wrote:
for the streamer, he could have been hacking on the times he wasnt streaming in order to rank up and then turned off his hack while he was streaming(to show that he was a legit player), in order to compensate for his newbiness he would have just played alot less ladder games and more friendly games(just a hypothesis) but just watching his skill level while he was streaming should have been enough to notice if he really was a good or bad player
dunno about the cj semi-pro
ye this is how i kinda see it.. though i dont have any solid facts on the matter.. but its funny he kept transfering stats from his main account BF to those other accounts which got "hacked"
somthing seems fishy about this to me.
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and to be honest, when i first saw BF's stream, I was like how is this guy A- hes not that great. But i just blew it off thinking that i was just being too judgmental. However, now that i see some of his other nicknames were banned for hacking, it seems to make sense to me now.
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