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2007 Shinhan Bank Proleague - Round 2 - Page 8

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SonuvBob
Profile Blog Joined October 2006
Aiur21549 Posts
November 28 2007 22:05 GMT
#141
Thanks Daigomi!

On November 28 2007 20:29 Daigomi wrote:
Much went all the way to the second highest spot, equalling Anytime's score at #1

Sucks that they didn't get to play each other last night. =/
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Daigomi
Profile Blog Joined May 2006
South Africa4316 Posts
November 29 2007 07:31 GMT
#142
Thanks for the comments!

Tigron, thank you very much for your comment, especially considering that it's your first. You have no idea how hard it is to find errors in this. I can basically just check my own stats to see if there is any error, which is what I did, and since my 1v1/2v2 stats and my game stats matched I had to assume that everything was fine. Guys like you pointing out mistakes show me where to look for problems which allows me to fix it. Thanks alot!

Thanks too semioldguy. I had that fixed, but I took the screenshot before I fixed it, and forgot to take a new one. And I'd love to see Much play Anytime at the moment, my bet would be on Much though.

Finally, does anyone know why CJ were penalized? I didn't hear anything about it.
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Last Romantic
Profile Blog Joined June 2006
United States20661 Posts
November 29 2007 07:32 GMT
#143
oh god KTF every season is like this

you start out ranked #1-3 for the first maybe 5-7 matches

then you lose six in a row and drop to the bottom of the standings

WHYYYYYY
ㅋㄲㅈㅁ
Daigomi
Profile Blog Joined May 2006
South Africa4316 Posts
November 29 2007 09:34 GMT
#144
I know LR. It breaks my heart every single season. I'm so tired of being let down by my team.
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Hot_Bid
Profile Blog Joined October 2003
Braavos36379 Posts
November 29 2007 10:58 GMT
#145
Thanks Daigomi!

Haha cute red/green blend on the Max 2v2 data field.
@Hot_Bid on Twitter - ESPORTS life since 2010 - http://i.imgur.com/U2psw.png
Daigomi
Profile Blog Joined May 2006
South Africa4316 Posts
November 29 2007 11:12 GMT
#146
I couldn't figure out how to make it a cute red/green/blue blend, so I just made it red/green, since there are more than enough blues in the world already.
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Tigron
Profile Joined November 2007
United States13 Posts
Last Edited: 2007-11-29 21:43:39
November 29 2007 14:43 GMT
#147
On November 29 2007 16:31 Daigomi wrote:
Tigron, thank you very much for your comment, especially considering that it's your first. You have no idea how hard it is to find errors in this. I can basically just check my own stats to see if there is any error, which is what I did, and since my 1v1/2v2 stats and my game stats matched I had to assume that everything was fine. Guys like you pointing out mistakes show me where to look for problems which allows me to fix it. Thanks alot!
You're quite welcome. I'm glad you liked my constructive criticism. It's hard to know if the things I say will be as well recieved as that post was. I was encouraged by semioldguy's critique. I don't post very often, but I always try to be helpful and civil when I do. Thanks for listening!

If you want to check your stats for errors, both networks show the standings at the beginning and end of each Proleague match. We were fortunate that they were included in the VOD torrents this week. So whoever did that, good job!

In regards to CJ Entus being penalized, I was referring to the fact that their net game score is listed as +7(1) when it should be +8. This happened several times before in the previous Proleague season (look under "Final table of the regular season").
EDIT: The above was just FYI for all readers, not just Dai.
Daigomi
Profile Blog Joined May 2006
South Africa4316 Posts
November 29 2007 18:37 GMT
#148
I noticed that they were being penalized. I was just wondering why they were penalized. I remember last season OGN got penalized because chalrenge accidentally swore in all chat. So I wonder what CJ did to get penalized this season...

Anybody know?
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Aepplet
Profile Joined December 2003
Sweden2908 Posts
November 29 2007 21:35 GMT
#149
chatting in all during team game i think. strange thing is, i saw this at least 3 times this season and CJ is the only team with a penalty, so i might be wrong.
boghat
Profile Joined January 2007
United States2109 Posts
November 29 2007 23:01 GMT
#150
Wait, so how is CJ being penalized?
Daigomi
Profile Blog Joined May 2006
South Africa4316 Posts
Last Edited: 2007-11-30 09:54:51
November 30 2007 09:51 GMT
#151
They are losing a game win. They have won 32 games and lost 24, but their net wins is only 7+ (eg. 32-24 = 8 -1 = 7+).

WeMade FOX vs eSTRO
(T)Mind < Python > (Z)MinGu
(P)HerO < Baekmagoji > (P)Tester
(T)Ho[WHITE]/(P)HoOny < Hwangsanbul > (Z)Cool[fOu]/(P)SangHo
(Z)FireFist < Un'Goro Crater > (Z)maGma

Hanbit Stars vs Air Force ACE
(Z)GGPlay < Un'Goro Crater > (Z)OversKy
(P)GuemChi < Katrina > (Z)MuMyung
(Z)Qoo)Max/(T)PianO < Seongangil > (P)Rage/(Z)Clon
(P)free < Monty Hall SE > (T)BoxeR

Lecaf Oz vs MBCGame HERO
(T)HiyA < Un'Goro Crater > (P)Bisu
(P)Anytime < Katrina > (P)Pusan
(Z)ggaemo[white]/(T)Dongrae < Seongangil > (T)910/(Z)Thezerg
(Z)Jaedong < Monty Hall SE > (T)Sea

OnGameNet SPARKYZ vs STX SouL
(T)go.go < Python > (P)BestGod
(P)Chalrenge < Baekmagoji > (P)Kal
(Z)NsP_Flower/(T)Justin < Hwangsanbul >(Z)Calm/(P)SoO[S.SiR]
(Z)Luxury < Un'Goro Crater > (Z)Terror

KTF MagicNs vs CJ Entus
(T)Flash < Un'Goro Crater > (P)Much
(P)Nal_rA < Monty Hall SE > (T)DarkElf
(P)Reach/(Z)ZergBOy < Hwangsanbul > (Z)Jy/(T)TheManiaMST
815 < Blue Storm > (T)XellOs

SK Telecom T1 vs Samsung KHAN
(Z)Hyuk < Python > (Z)oDin
(T)Midas < Un'Goro Crater > (T)firebathero
(Z)LaKe/(T)Shudder < Seongangil > (Z)JiHyun/(T)CuteBOy
(Z)July < Katrina > (P)Stork

WeMade FOX vs Air Force ACE
(T)Mind < Un'Goro Crater > (Z)Clon
(T)By.Sun < Monty Hall SE > (P)DaezanG
(P)HoOny/(Z)Nal_keke < Hwangsanbul > (P)Rage/(Z)OversKy
(P)Rock < Blue Storm > (T)BoxeR

Hanbit Stars vs eSTRO
(P)free < Python > (T)Sea.really
(Z)GGPlay < Un'Goro Crater > (Z)maGma
(Z)Qoo)Max/(T)PianO < Seongangil > (Z)Cool[fOu]/(P)SangHo
(Z)mensol[zero] < Katrina > (P)Tester


Some interesting games here. I'm once again praying that KTF can take a win here, but it's against CJ so it will be hard.

Flash vs Much is a 50/50 game (especially since it's on Un'goro Crater).
Nal_rA vs Darkelf is also fairly equal (although I'd have to vote for DE), Darkelf has been losing on MH a lot recently.
Reach/ZB vs Mania/Jy I'm bet on Reach/ZB, but it's very tight.
815 vs Xellos I'm also voting 815, ZvT on Blue Storm is nice for Z, and 815 looks strong vs T.

So they can do it, but knowing KTF they can also screw it up hard.
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Last Romantic
Profile Blog Joined June 2006
United States20661 Posts
December 04 2007 01:02 GMT
#152
KTF MUST win if they want a shot at the playoffs. Damnit, KTF.
ㅋㄲㅈㅁ
abomi.nation
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
Canada103 Posts
December 04 2007 02:01 GMT
#153
yeah.....ktf always manage to disappoint me
But still.. KTF FIGHTING!!!
lolwut
Gokey
Profile Joined November 2006
United States2722 Posts
December 04 2007 06:57 GMT
#154
damn, didn't realize flower/justin = 10-1 2v2

crazy
pachi
Profile Joined October 2006
Melbourne5338 Posts
December 05 2007 08:12 GMT
#155
Updated to include wednesday's games and some new stats.

Peak = highest attained rating.
Op Avg = Average rating of opponents

http://www.freewebs.com/deari
Moderatorpachi fanclub http://goto.tl/6DI9 。◕‿◕。
Daigomi
Profile Blog Joined May 2006
South Africa4316 Posts
December 05 2007 14:36 GMT
#156
Ok, I've got a big problem now. I accidently clicked update on two different windows, so I stopped the one window while it was still editing the post, and it seemed to have cut it off in the middle. Can the admins possibly roll back this a little bit? I'd really appreciate it
Moderator
Daigomi
Profile Blog Joined May 2006
South Africa4316 Posts
December 05 2007 23:42 GMT
#157
Update out!

Weekly Stats Report

It's late at night now, and I've just spent two hours extra fixing the damage I caused earlier in this thread, so I'm a bit too tired for a proper stats report. In short, Hanbit, Samsung and Wemade continue climbing the tables, while STX has finally dropped from the #5 position which they have been controlling for four or five consecutive weeks now.

Zerg's season is starting to go down hill, as their initial dominance over protoss has ended, and their terran stats are still looking horrible thanks to Baekmagoji.

HiyA makes a surprise top 10 entry with his 4-0 after wins against Flash, Darkelf, and Bisu (and Hogil, but that doesn't count for much). Perhaps he could be the fourth 1v1 player Lecaf needs if they want to stand a chance of winning the grand finals.

Cool and Sangho have gone unbeaten for five games now, but they could not stop eSTRO from continuing it's losing streak. Jihyun and Cuteboy are also doing well, replacing their seniors quite effectively with a 4-1 score.

I'm going to end this stats report with a question:

So far this season has been highly unpredictable. The champions dropped to the bottom before starting their comeback, one of the bottom teams from last season went unbeaten, and few heroes from last season have performed again. But the most unpredictable element of this season, to me atleast, was the 2v2s. Namoo and Max (MVP 2v2 team of last season) has gone for 1-5 this season, Sigamari and TT have gone for 1-4 this season. Reach and Zergbong, while doing slightly better, have also not been able to repeat the success of the previous season.

Even the teams that seem to be doing well during this season constantly change. Everytime I see a strong new team I think that these guys could turn the tide for their team, and after a few glorious wins in the beginning, the new teams almost inevitably lose just as many games. So the question is, do the unpredictable 2v2 matches this season reflect the unpredictable maps, or perhaps the growing strength of the 2v2 arena, or could these unpredictable results even reflect the slightly larger element of "luck" still found with 2v2s. What do you guys think?
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Tigron
Profile Joined November 2007
United States13 Posts
December 06 2007 02:07 GMT
#158
You list eSTRO as being 5-11 this week when they should be 5-10, but everything else looks A-OK.

+ Show Spoiler +
I enjoyed watching most of these games, and I especially enjoyed watching Anytime avenge himself against Pusan, as well as newbie Haran outbluff Much.
Daigomi
Profile Blog Joined May 2006
South Africa4316 Posts
December 06 2007 09:10 GMT
#159
Thanks for pointing that out.
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cSf.Loser
Profile Joined December 2005
Czech Republic115 Posts
December 06 2007 09:38 GMT
#160
i think that 2v2 is unstable coz of more posibilitis and more counters, for exapmple Reach and zergbong come with 3hatch pool + fast sair strategy and won 3 games, then someone made perfect counter
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