Top30 Foreigners (December 2012)

KalWarkov

Germany4126 Posts

December 03 2012 16:46 GMT

*** Votes at the bottom of this post ***

Introduction
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Hi guys!

To my and hopefully your excitement, i created a list of the best 30 foreign players. As you may know, those lists are rly subjective. I try to look at achievements and latest results, but its unavoidable to get personal opinions into this.
There is no such thing as the perfect „ranking“, but i enjoy doing those, most ppl enjoy reading them, but not many ppl put rankings out there.
My ranking is purely about foreign players and i exclude asian, non korean players as well – that means you wont find chinese or taiwanese players in my ranking. The simple reason being: i dont have much information about these scenes. I obviously know that Sen, Xigua and others are great players, but its impossible to compare them to the players in EU and NA. So you could consider it a „Western Foreigner Top 30“.

I put quite some work into it and i hope i get at least some reads, since i think a ranking made by a random person should be posted as a blog and not as a thread in the general section, even though it might end up with no responses at all.

So here is the list for this month!

Old Lists
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March 2012
April 2012
May 2012
June 2012
July 2012
August 2012
September 2012
October 2012
November 2012

December 2012

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------ 1.

Stephano ------ 2. (Wiki)

Nerchio ------ 3. (Wiki)

Scarlett ------
------ 4. (Wiki)

VortiX ------ 5. (Wiki)

NaNiWa ------ 6. (Wiki)

MaNa ------
------ 7. (Wiki)

ThorZaiN ------ 8. (Wiki)

Lucifron ------ 9. (Wiki)

TitaN ------
------ 10. (Wiki)

Kas ------ 11. (Wiki)

Grubby ------ 12. (Wiki)

Snute ------
------ 13. (Wiki)

BabyKnight ------ 14. (Wiki)

Fraer ------ 15. (Wiki)

HuK ------
------ 16. (Wiki)

SaSe ------ 17. (Wiki)

sLivko ------ 18. (Wiki)

IdrA ------
------ 19. (Wiki)

Bly ------ 20. (Wiki)

Happy ------ 21. (Wiki)

HasuObs ------
------ 22. (Wiki)

DeMusliM ------ 23. (Wiki)

Suppy ------ 24. (Wiki)

NightEnD ------
------ 25. (Wiki)

SortOf ------ 26. (Wiki)

monchi ------ 27. (Wiki)

LoWeLy ------
------ 28. (Wiki)

ViBe ------ 29. (Wiki)

MajOr ------ 30. (Wiki)

TLO ------

The following 20:

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JohnnyRecco
mOOnGlaDe
Dimaga
Ret
Sheth
KiLLeR
TargA
LiveZerg
Tefel

Illusion
BratOK
ClouD
BeastyQt
Naama

Socke
elfi
Feast
BlinG
Adelscott
White-Ra
ToD

VOTE - Your opinion on the individual ranks:

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Poll: Rank 1: Stephano

+-0 (22)

88%

-2 (3)

12%

-1 (0)

0%

25 total votes

Your vote: Rank 1: Stephano

(Vote): +-0
(Vote): -1
(Vote): -2

Poll: Rank 2: Nerchio

-1 (14)

64%

+-0 (6)

27%

-2 (2)

9%

+1 (0)

0%

22 total votes

Your vote: Rank 2: Nerchio

(Vote): +1
(Vote): +-0
(Vote): -1
(Vote): -2

Poll: Rank 3: Scarlett

+1 (13)

50%

+-0 (7)

27%

-2 (3)

12%

+2 (2)

8%

-1 (1)

4%

26 total votes

Your vote: Rank 3: Scarlett

(Vote): +2
(Vote): +1
(Vote): +-0
(Vote): -1
(Vote): -2

Poll: Rank 4: VortiX

+-0 (8)

42%

-1 (6)

32%

+1 (3)

16%

-2 (2)

11%

+2 (0)

0%

19 total votes

Your vote: Rank 4: VortiX

(Vote): +2
(Vote): +1
(Vote): +-0
(Vote): -1
(Vote): -2

Poll: Rank 5: NaNiWa

+1 (5)

25%

+-0 (5)

25%

-1 (5)

25%

+2 (3)

15%

-2 (2)

10%

20 total votes

Your vote: Rank 5: NaNiWa

(Vote): +2
(Vote): +1
(Vote): +-0
(Vote): -1
(Vote): -2

Poll: Rank 6: MaNa

-1 (9)

50%

-2 (5)

28%

+-0 (4)

22%

+2 (0)

0%

+1 (0)

0%

18 total votes

Your vote: Rank 6: MaNa

(Vote): +2
(Vote): +1
(Vote): +-0
(Vote): -1
(Vote): -2

Poll: Rank 7: ThorZaiN

-1 (7)

37%

+2 (6)

32%

+1 (3)

16%

+-0 (3)

16%

-2 (0)

0%

19 total votes

Your vote: Rank 7: ThorZaiN

(Vote): +2
(Vote): +1
(Vote): +-0
(Vote): -1
(Vote): -2

Poll: Rank 8: Lucifron

+-0 (7)

44%

+1 (6)

38%

+2 (2)

13%

-1 (1)

6%

-2 (0)

0%

16 total votes

Your vote: Rank 8: Lucifron

(Vote): +2
(Vote): +1
(Vote): +-0
(Vote): -1
(Vote): -2

Poll: Rank 9: TitaN

+2 (4)

25%

+1 (4)

25%

+-0 (3)

19%

-2 (3)

19%

-1 (2)

13%

16 total votes

Your vote: Rank 9: TitaN

(Vote): +2
(Vote): +1
(Vote): +-0
(Vote): -1
(Vote): -2

Poll: Rank 10: Kas

+-0 (8)

50%

+2 (3)

19%

+1 (2)

13%

-1 (2)

13%

-2 (1)

6%

16 total votes

Your vote: Rank 10: Kas

(Vote): +2
(Vote): +1
(Vote): +-0
(Vote): -1
(Vote): -2

Poll: Rank 11: Grubby

+3 (8)

42%

+1 (5)

26%

-1 (2)

11%

-3 (2)

11%

+-0 (1)

5%

-2 (1)

5%

+2 (0)

0%

19 total votes

Your vote: Rank 11: Grubby

(Vote): +3
(Vote): +2
(Vote): +1
(Vote): +-0
(Vote): -1
(Vote): -2
(Vote): -3

Poll: Rank 12: Snute

+3 (11)

55%

+-0 (4)

20%

+1 (2)

10%

-3 (2)

10%

-1 (1)

5%

+2 (0)

0%

-2 (0)

0%

20 total votes

Your vote: Rank 12: Snute

(Vote): +3
(Vote): +2
(Vote): +1
(Vote): +-0
(Vote): -1
(Vote): -2
(Vote): -3

Poll: Rank 13: BabyKnight

+-0 (8)

53%

+3 (3)

20%

+1 (2)

13%

+2 (1)

7%

-3 (1)

7%

-1 (0)

0%

-2 (0)

0%

15 total votes

Your vote: Rank 13: BabyKnight

(Vote): +3
(Vote): +2
(Vote): +1
(Vote): +-0
(Vote): -1
(Vote): -2
(Vote): -3

Poll: Rank 14: Fraer

+-0 (6)

46%

+3 (2)

15%

+2 (2)

15%

+1 (2)

15%

-2 (1)

8%

-1 (0)

0%

-3 (0)

0%

13 total votes

Your vote: Rank 14: Fraer

(Vote): +3
(Vote): +2
(Vote): +1
(Vote): +-0
(Vote): -1
(Vote): -2
(Vote): -3

Poll: Rank 15: HuK

-3 (9)

50%

+2 (3)

17%

+-0 (2)

11%

+3 (1)

6%

+1 (1)

6%

-1 (1)

6%

-2 (1)

6%

18 total votes

Your vote: Rank 15: HuK

(Vote): +3
(Vote): +2
(Vote): +1
(Vote): +-0
(Vote): -1
(Vote): -2
(Vote): -3

Poll: Rank 16: SaSe

-1 (3)

25%

-2 (3)

25%

+-0 (2)

17%

-3 (2)

17%

+2 (1)

8%

+1 (1)

8%

+3 (0)

0%

12 total votes

Your vote: Rank 16: SaSe

(Vote): +3
(Vote): +2
(Vote): +1
(Vote): +-0
(Vote): -1
(Vote): -2
(Vote): -3

Poll: Rank 17: sLivko

+1 (3)

33%

+-0 (3)

33%

-1 (2)

22%

+3 (1)

11%

+2 (0)

0%

-2 (0)

0%

-3 (0)

0%

9 total votes

Your vote: Rank 17: sLivko

(Vote): +3
(Vote): +2
(Vote): +1
(Vote): +-0
(Vote): -1
(Vote): -2
(Vote): -3

Poll: Rank 18: IdrA

-3 (9)

50%

+3 (5)

28%

+-0 (4)

22%

+2 (0)

0%

+1 (0)

0%

-1 (0)

0%

-2 (0)

0%

18 total votes

Your vote: Rank 18: IdrA

(Vote): +3
(Vote): +2
(Vote): +1
(Vote): +-0
(Vote): -1
(Vote): -2
(Vote): -3

Poll: Rank 19: Bly

+1 (5)

50%

+2 (3)

30%

+-0 (1)

10%

-1 (1)

10%

+3 (0)

0%

-2 (0)

0%

-3 (0)

0%

10 total votes

Your vote: Rank 19: Bly

(Vote): +3
(Vote): +2
(Vote): +1
(Vote): +-0
(Vote): -1
(Vote): -2
(Vote): -3

Poll: Rank 20: Happy

+-0 (4)

31%

-1 (4)

31%

+1 (2)

15%

-3 (2)

15%

+3 (1)

8%

+2 (0)

0%

-2 (0)

0%

13 total votes

Your vote: Rank 20: Happy

(Vote): +3
(Vote): +2
(Vote): +1
(Vote): +-0
(Vote): -1
(Vote): -2
(Vote): -3

Poll: Rank 21: HasuObs

+4 (3)

21%

+2 (3)

21%

+1 (2)

14%

+-0 (2)

14%

-4 (2)

14%

-1 (1)

7%

-2 (1)

7%

+3 (0)

0%

-3 (0)

0%

14 total votes

Your vote: Rank 21: HasuObs

(Vote): +4
(Vote): +3
(Vote): +2
(Vote): +1
(Vote): +-0
(Vote): -1
(Vote): -2
(Vote): -3
(Vote): -4

Poll: Rank 22: DeMusliM

+3 (6)

38%

+-0 (3)

19%

+2 (2)

13%

-4 (2)

13%

+4 (1)

6%

+1 (1)

6%

-1 (1)

6%

-2 (0)

0%

-3 (0)

0%

16 total votes

Your vote: Rank 22: DeMusliM

(Vote): +4
(Vote): +3
(Vote): +2
(Vote): +1
(Vote): +-0
(Vote): -1
(Vote): -2
(Vote): -3
(Vote): -4

Poll: Rank 23: Suppy

+4 (5)

33%

+2 (3)

20%

+-0 (3)

20%

+3 (1)

7%

-1 (1)

7%

-2 (1)

7%

-4 (1)

7%

+1 (0)

0%

-3 (0)

0%

15 total votes

Your vote: Rank 23: Suppy

(Vote): +4
(Vote): +3
(Vote): +2
(Vote): +1
(Vote): +-0
(Vote): -1
(Vote): -2
(Vote): -3
(Vote): -4

Poll: Rank 24: NightEnD

+1 (6)

60%

+2 (2)

20%

+-0 (2)

20%

+4 (0)

0%

+3 (0)

0%

-1 (0)

0%

-2 (0)

0%

-3 (0)

0%

-4 (0)

0%

10 total votes

Your vote: Rank 24: NightEnD

(Vote): +4
(Vote): +3
(Vote): +2
(Vote): +1
(Vote): +-0
(Vote): -1
(Vote): -2
(Vote): -3
(Vote): -4

Poll: Rank 25: SortOf

+1 (4)

44%

+-0 (3)

33%

-2 (1)

11%

-4 (1)

11%

+4 (0)

0%

+3 (0)

0%

+2 (0)

0%

-1 (0)

0%

-3 (0)

0%

9 total votes

Your vote: Rank 25: SortOf

(Vote): +4
(Vote): +3
(Vote): +2
(Vote): +1
(Vote): +-0
(Vote): -1
(Vote): -2
(Vote): -3
(Vote): -4

Poll: Rank 26: monchi

+5 (5)

50%

+1 (3)

30%

+4 (1)

10%

-1 (1)

10%

+3 (0)

0%

+2 (0)

0%

+-0 (0)

0%

-2 (0)

0%

-3 (0)

0%

-4 (0)

0%

out (0)

0%

10 total votes

Your vote: Rank 26: monchi

(Vote): +5
(Vote): +4
(Vote): +3
(Vote): +2
(Vote): +1
(Vote): +-0
(Vote): -1
(Vote): -2
(Vote): -3
(Vote): -4
(Vote): out

Poll: Rank 27: LoWeLy

+-0 (4)

50%

+4 (2)

25%

-1 (2)

25%

+5 (0)

0%

+3 (0)

0%

+2 (0)

0%

+1 (0)

0%

-2 (0)

0%

-3 (0)

0%

out (0)

0%

8 total votes

Your vote: Rank 27: LoWeLy

(Vote): +5
(Vote): +4
(Vote): +3
(Vote): +2
(Vote): +1
(Vote): +-0
(Vote): -1
(Vote): -2
(Vote): -3
(Vote): out

Poll: Rank 28: ViBe

out (7)

88%

+-0 (1)

13%

+5 (0)

0%

+4 (0)

0%

+3 (0)

0%

+2 (0)

0%

+1 (0)

0%

-1 (0)

0%

-2 (0)

0%

8 total votes

Your vote: Rank 28: ViBe

(Vote): +5
(Vote): +4
(Vote): +3
(Vote): +2
(Vote): +1
(Vote): +-0
(Vote): -1
(Vote): -2
(Vote): out

Poll: Rank 29: MajOr

+-0 (4)

31%

+4 (3)

23%

+2 (3)

23%

+5 (1)

8%

-1 (1)

8%

out (1)

8%

+3 (0)

0%

+1 (0)

0%

13 total votes

Your vote: Rank 29: MajOr

(Vote): +5
(Vote): +4
(Vote): +3
(Vote): +2
(Vote): +1
(Vote): +-0
(Vote): -1
(Vote): out

Poll: Rank 30: TLO

out (6)

35%

+3 (4)

24%

+5 (3)

18%

+1 (2)

12%

+-0 (2)

12%

+4 (0)

0%

+2 (0)

0%

17 total votes

Your vote: Rank 30: TLO

(Vote): +5
(Vote): +4
(Vote): +3
(Vote): +2
(Vote): +1
(Vote): +-0
(Vote): out

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Which of those 12 players deserves to be in the Top 30 the most?
Note: i chose the 12 players i concider rank 31-42 of my "Following" list.

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Poll: Who should be in?

Feast (8)

36%

mOOnGlaDe (5)

23%

Socke (3)

14%

elfi (3)

14%

JohnnyRecco (1)

5%

Illusion (1)

5%

BratOK (1)

5%

Dimaga (0)

0%

Ret (0)

0%

Sheth (0)

0%

KiLLeR (0)

0%

BlinG (0)

0%

22 total votes

Your vote: Who should be in?

(Vote): Dimaga
(Vote): Ret
(Vote): Sheth
(Vote): JohnnyRecco
(Vote): mOOnGlaDe
(Vote): KiLLeR
(Vote): Illusion
(Vote): BratOK
(Vote): Socke
(Vote): elfi
(Vote): Feast
(Vote): BlinG

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BreAKerTV

Taiwan1658 Posts

December 03 2012 16:51 GMT

Um, why isn't Sen on that list? He is a non-Korean player as well.

User was warned for not reading the post

KalWarkov

Germany4126 Posts

December 03 2012 16:55 GMT

On December 04 2012 01:51 Enders116 wrote:
Um, why isn't Sen on that list? He is a non-Korean player as well.

read the introduction

I wont judge Taiwanese or Chinese players as long as they dont compete more regularly in major events. Sen would be a top 10 player most likely, but i see him in 2 or 3 events the whole year - thats a bit too little to judge him correctly, same with players like MacSed or Xigua.

Dont u worry, i dont think he isnt in the ranking skillwise.

Consider it a "Western Foreigner top 30"!

endy

Switzerland8970 Posts

December 03 2012 17:01 GMT

Good list. I would have put Suppy, Monchi, and Lowely higher though.

BreAKerTV

Taiwan1658 Posts

December 03 2012 17:05 GMT

On December 04 2012 01:55 KalWarkov wrote:

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read the introduction

Sorry about that, I forgot to click the "show spoiler" button.

StarVe

Germany13591 Posts

December 03 2012 17:35 GMT

For the first time, I'm fine with the list, no complaints at all. I don't like to see HuK up there with his playstyle, but as long as it still works, you can't downgrade him.

Glad you got fraer where he deserves to be, good to see so many NA players on the list, some hope remains.

josemb40

Peru611 Posts

December 03 2012 17:50 GMT

aww, i'd have liked to see Fenix in there but oh well :p good names good players

NeVeR

1352 Posts

December 03 2012 18:11 GMT

all these top SC2 kids look like a bunch of scrubs (except for idra and stephano, who look pretty bad ass)

btw who is this Scarlett? is she actually really good?

KalWarkov

Germany4126 Posts

December 03 2012 18:34 GMT

On December 04 2012 03:11 NeVeR wrote:
all these top SC2 kids look like a bunch of scrubs (except for idra and stephano, who look pretty bad ass)

btw who is this Scarlett? is she actually really good?

well, thats pretty disrespectful.
also, titan looks pretty badass in that picture imo oO

NeVeR

1352 Posts

December 03 2012 18:38 GMT

#10

actually you're right hah, he looks kind of like scarface now that you mention it

Chaves

Brazil315 Posts

December 03 2012 18:52 GMT

#11

Why is idra in there? and so high did i miss anything?

KalWarkov

Germany4126 Posts

December 03 2012 19:07 GMT

#12

he played pretty well at mlg. (1-2 thestc in great games, 2-0 grubby, 1-2 babyknight)
he won the group of death @ BWC (roro, hero, stephano), just to lose to rain (1-3) in the bracket.

thats pretty scary, especially considering its IdrA and we know how good he CAN potentially be.

Also, without KiLLeR's very underwhelming performance where he lost 0-4 in a groupstage (i dont remember the tournament and cant find it right now...), he would be in the list of top 30 - he played very well at BWC

Ettick

United States2434 Posts

December 03 2012 20:17 GMT

#13

IMO move vortix and nerchio down, move suppy up then it'll be good
Nice to see EG players that aren't Stephano doing well again

shizaep

Canada2920 Posts

December 03 2012 21:13 GMT

#14

This is really cool. I definitely would knit-pick on a couple of placements and do a tiny bit of shuffling but, overall, it's good I think. Hopefully you could make a monthly feature out of this, would be interesting for sure.

Luolis

Finland7118 Posts

December 03 2012 21:18 GMT

#15

You really should add elfi on the list.

StarVe

Germany13591 Posts

December 03 2012 23:06 GMT

#16

On December 04 2012 04:07 KalWarkov wrote:
he played pretty well at mlg. (1-2 thestc in great games, 2-0 grubby, 1-2 babyknight)
he won the group of death @ BWC (roro, hero, stephano), just to lose to rain (1-3) in the bracket.

thats pretty scary, especially considering its IdrA and we know how good he CAN potentially be.

Also, without KiLLeR's very underwhelming performance where he lost 0-4 in a groupstage (i dont remember the tournament and cant find it right now...), he would be in the list of top 30 - he played very well at BWC

WCG, it was BO1, though.

KalWarkov

Germany4126 Posts

December 03 2012 23:25 GMT

#17

surprised there is so little love for Kas. He just shows rly nice games at iron squid vs Creator and Seed.

€: 2-0s Seed pretty convincingly^^

00Visor

4337 Posts

December 03 2012 23:57 GMT

#18

Nice to see you moved Huk and Nani up again

.
And fraer! Despite his not too strong WCG.

I disagreed a lot with your last ranking, this seems much much better.
- Did Happy play any games in November? -6 seems a lot
- Idra a bit too high for winning 2 ZvZs against Stephano and Roro

On another note I think you have too many poll options. Most people will vote polarized anyways

KalWarkov

Germany4126 Posts

December 04 2012 08:26 GMT

#19

On December 04 2012 08:57 00Visor wrote:
Nice to see you moved Huk and Nani up again

its ok if they vote polarized!
i just take the intersection (i hope i googled this word correctly^^) and it will be fine. 6x +3 and 4x -3? --> +1!

Otolia

France5805 Posts

December 04 2012 10:12 GMT

#20

You are very lenient with terrans nowadays. Kas is the only one who has maintained any sort of consistency lately. Happy and DeMusliM aren't as successful as him.

Also I'm surprised at the absence of harstem. He had certainly more success than ToD recently. Where do you rank him ?

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