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MsC vs. 1-gate FE in PvT

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EsportsJohn
Profile Blog Joined June 2012
United States4883 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-07-27 22:52:40
July 27 2013 22:51 GMT
#1
Playing around with different expands in this matchup, trying to figure out how to play this correctly. One cool revelation I've had is that a probe scout is pretty much completely unnecessary in this matchup. Although there are some nasty all-ins or cheesy proxy play that can hit us before 5:30, we're pretty much safe from all normal play before the MsC. With a direct MsC scout or a zealot/stalker/MsC poke around 5:30, we can get all of the scouting info we need.

Here are some rough BOs:

Modern MsC Expand:
+ Show Spoiler +
9 pylon
**3 chronoboosts on nexus**
13 gate
15 double gas
**2 in each gas**
17 pylon
18 core
22 zealot (cancel)
**23 rally nexus to natural
21 nexus
23 MsC
23 warpgate
25 stalker
25 pylon
27 sentry
27 robo
27 forge
(@5:00, add robo + forge)
@100% MsC -> scout (5:30)
32 sentry
@6:30 3rd/4th gas
If no cannons needed, start +1 armor
@7:00 gate x2
44 sentry


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1-gate FE (PvT):
+ Show Spoiler +
9 pylon
13 gate
**2 chronoboosts on nexus**
15 double gas
**2 on each gas**
17 pylon
18 core
**2 chronoboosts on nexus**
21 zealot
23 pylon
25 MsC
27 stalker
29 nexus
Poke with MsC/stalker/zealot @5:30
31 sentry
31 robo
31 forge
(@5:30, add robo/forge)
33 sentry
33 pylon
If no cannons needed, +1 armor
@6:30, add natural gases
@7:00, add gate x2
48 sentry

_


Looking at both of these builds (and playing them as well), the MsC expand feels EXTRAORDINARILY economical in comparison, while the 1-gate FE variant definitely gives you more options to punish a terran who skips a bunker or just doesn't defend very well, but both still give you the scouting info you need at 5:30.

Both builds include a stalker to push away reapers. The 1-gate FE variant has a second stalker as well, allowing the protoss to poke with the initial stalker/zealot without worrying about economic damage.

Many times, if I don't scout a reaper, I like to throw down 3 extra gateways and do a warpgate attack @~7:00, making my 32/33 pylon a proxy. With the 1-gate FE, I will generally have 4 stalkers/2 sentries (one with GS)/2 zealots with the first warpin, which should break a bunker almost instantly. A lot of times, you can even force the terran to lift off the natural. I follow this up with natural gases and robo/forge, generally going into colossus (because they feel faster and safer against the counter aggression with stim), but you can also follow up with mass gateway units + double forge/twilight and recall if your opponent tries to drop.

Wanna play with some more openings and variations and see if I can get a better idea of this matchup.


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United States25558 Posts
July 27 2013 23:11 GMT
#2
Yeah MsC expo is pretty awesome. You have good defenses and there's a lot of things you're automatically safe against. I'd still recommend at least a delayed probe scout though in case there's some serious shenannies, but I think generally now you almost always want to MsC Expo instead of 1G Expo. It's economical and relatively safe and you have a lot of options.
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