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On March 19 2009 12:35 Nytefish wrote:Show nested quote +On March 19 2009 12:26 IdrA wrote:On March 19 2009 12:23 Nytefish wrote:On March 19 2009 12:19 IdrA wrote:On March 19 2009 12:15 Nytefish wrote:On March 19 2009 12:14 IdrA wrote:On March 19 2009 12:11 Nytefish wrote:
Just don't attach so much meaning to gg. No one's going to say "loool he said gg that proves i pwned him!!!". But they wil say "omg no gg BM!!" wouldnt it be the people bitching about not saying gg who are attaching undue amounts of meaning to it then? Yes I'm not saying people who don't gg deserve to be bitched at, just that it's a nice gesture which doesn't cost much. Like how you shake hands or say thanks in other sports, just because it's a computer game doesn't mean you aren't competing against humans. well if its a nice gesture then there has to be meaning behind it. if there were no meaning it would be.. a meaningless gesture I didn't say there was no meaning, just you don't have to look too deeply. It should just be like other sports: "thanks for the game". After all without opponents there's no game to play. ? -_- thanking someone for playing a game? if they werent enjoying it themselves, or getting something out of it, they would not be playing. theres no need to thank them. twist it around all you want but i can see no rational justification except for that its a sign of respect, in which case i still hold that there should be nothing wrong with not saying gg because you may very well feel that your opponent deserves no respect for the way they played. in fact it cant be mandatory because it would not signify respect if you _had_ to say it It's not respect for how they played, it's simply respect for sitting down and playing. So what if they're enjoying themselves, doesn't meant you can't be grateful for competition.
well gg is viewed as a requirement, i see no reason for a requirement to thank someone for doing something... that theyre doing for their own enjoyment.
as for respect, how does playing a game earn respect? its not like thats an achievement
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On March 19 2009 12:36 StRyKeR wrote:Show nested quote +On March 19 2009 12:35 IdrA wrote:
or you could be yourself and find people who appreciate that and enjoy your life
or the easier route
whichever unless you're desperately looking for a friend and therefore need to advertise your personality, there's not really a need to assert yourself in public if you have friends who will vouch for you in private EDIT: although I can see how you would respond to this. this idiom vs idiom thing is getting too general anyway, I hope I get to see you in progames sometime. I hope at least for our sake you say "gg" if you lose on TV so the foreign community doesn't get 900 pages of flame on fighterforum
seems the opposite to me. you would change yourself and tone down your personality in public if you were desperately looking for acceptance or something.
i say gg amongst koreans cuz theyre even more angsty about it than foreigners
actually competitive foreigners for the most part dont seem to care much if you say gg
its the koreans and newbie foreigners. dont really know why that is.
actually some progamers arent even hung up on it in practice games. one of cj's members would never say gg to me when i beat him with somethin gay or lucky like a vulture run by.
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actually some progamers arent even hung up on it in practice games. one of cj's members would never say gg to me when i beat him with somethin gay or lucky like a vulture run by.
lol that's funny.
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On March 19 2009 12:58 IdrA wrote:Show nested quote +On March 19 2009 12:35 Nytefish wrote:On March 19 2009 12:26 IdrA wrote:On March 19 2009 12:23 Nytefish wrote:On March 19 2009 12:19 IdrA wrote:On March 19 2009 12:15 Nytefish wrote:On March 19 2009 12:14 IdrA wrote:On March 19 2009 12:11 Nytefish wrote:
Just don't attach so much meaning to gg. No one's going to say "loool he said gg that proves i pwned him!!!". But they wil say "omg no gg BM!!" wouldnt it be the people bitching about not saying gg who are attaching undue amounts of meaning to it then? Yes I'm not saying people who don't gg deserve to be bitched at, just that it's a nice gesture which doesn't cost much. Like how you shake hands or say thanks in other sports, just because it's a computer game doesn't mean you aren't competing against humans. well if its a nice gesture then there has to be meaning behind it. if there were no meaning it would be.. a meaningless gesture I didn't say there was no meaning, just you don't have to look too deeply. It should just be like other sports: "thanks for the game". After all without opponents there's no game to play. ? -_- thanking someone for playing a game? if they werent enjoying it themselves, or getting something out of it, they would not be playing. theres no need to thank them. twist it around all you want but i can see no rational justification except for that its a sign of respect, in which case i still hold that there should be nothing wrong with not saying gg because you may very well feel that your opponent deserves no respect for the way they played. in fact it cant be mandatory because it would not signify respect if you _had_ to say it It's not respect for how they played, it's simply respect for sitting down and playing. So what if they're enjoying themselves, doesn't meant you can't be grateful for competition. well gg is viewed as a requirement, i see no reason for a requirement to thank someone for doing something... that theyre doing for their own enjoyment. as for respect, how does playing a game earn respect? its not like thats an achievement
Well in everyday situations (and in particular sports) you should treat people with a minimum amount of respect, they don't have to earn your respect.
+ Show Spoiler +When I play football I always shake hands, even if the other team were brutally hacking my legs off.
When I play chess I always shake hands, even if my opponent made a stupid move that just happened to work out for him.
When I play go I always say "thanks for the game" even if my opponent is 8 years old.
When I practice kendo there are numerous pleases, bows and thanks despite the whole activity being based around screaming and bashing your partner's brains.
I know you feel gg is excessive politeness, but lack of it has lots of undertones. If someone doesn't shake my hand nobody is going to shout at them, but they will think "what an arrogant dickhead." But who cares what everyone thinks of you, you're obviously far more successful and skilled than they will ever be.
And about the koreans being really serious about gg. Have you not learnt anything about korean culture in all your time there? Do you not know the reason why you use words like "hyung"? I mean do you think: "someone was born before me, great, why should I respect that?"
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what did i say that implied i dont understand why theyre big on saying gg?
i do think the whole respect to elders no matter what thing is utterly retarded, but i understand the rationale behind it. i said i do gg to the koreans after all.
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Wow. The game you won was pretty high level (tho this is coming from a P player who doesn't understand ZVT beyond the reps he watches). Fun game to watch. Second was neat too.
On the gg debate, I don't really think it matters.
I usually on get out a single g b/c I play on keyboard without the enter key so I have to move up to my laptop to type it, and the keys there have to be slammed b/c it's almost 2yrs old. And sometimes I gg when I know I won. I used to do it b/c I thoght it was good manners, but now I'll do it sometimes after I execute a nice rush as a stress reliever. Don't really care if someone does the same to me, or doesn't gg at all.
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