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PanN
United States2828 Posts
On August 17 2009 12:59 SanguineToss wrote: Yeah theres nothing wrong, but to have that intention in a church? Please read the thread before you post. Whats wrong with picking up girls in a church? Wouldn't that be the best place to pick up girls if they're apart of your religion? Logic much? | ||
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OhThatDang
United States4685 Posts
On August 17 2009 15:59 PanN wrote: Whats wrong with picking up girls in a church? Wouldn't that be the best place to pick up girls if they're apart of your religion? Logic much? hes just mad that the op may not be in it for the church itself. He is just stating that he could as well went to english church but instead is choosing to go to korean church instead. The reason hes really mad is cause he didnt try to learn korean before so going to church with the korean language at hand doesnt really benefit him at all. But now he is trying to learn the language and maybe going to that church to help him improve it! BUUUT hes still mad cause the initial going to church thing makes it seem fishyyyyy but its whatever to me | ||
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AzureEye
United States1360 Posts
On August 17 2009 15:59 PanN wrote: Whats wrong with picking up girls in a church? Wouldn't that be the best place to pick up girls if they're apart of your religion? Logic much? Because church is somewhere you go to practice your faith, not a pick up place. Yes it would be nice if you find girls same religion as you but there are plenty of other places than that. The fact that go to a church where you can't understand their sermon signifies the fact that you're not going to the church for the message, but to just meet girls. The last Korean church I went to, I saw the Korean pastor kick out this black guy from the church because his intention to go to church was clear that he just wanted to meet the girls. It was a good sight, and I hope it happens in this situation as well. | ||
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konadora
Singapore66161 Posts
If you're still willing to go that far, then yes. | ||
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Musoeun
United States4324 Posts
I like how people are trashing the OP for not replying after a grand total of (OMG!) 14 hours. Real classy. | ||
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Elric
United Kingdom1327 Posts
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PanN
United States2828 Posts
On August 17 2009 23:22 AzureEye wrote: Because church is somewhere you go to practice your faith, not a pick up place. Yes it would be nice if you find girls same religion as you but there are plenty of other places than that. The fact that go to a church where you can't understand their sermon signifies the fact that you're not going to the church for the message, but to just meet girls. The last Korean church I went to, I saw the Korean pastor kick out this black guy from the church because his intention to go to church was clear that he just wanted to meet the girls. It was a good sight, and I hope it happens in this situation as well. So, because he can find women of his religion at other places, he shouldn't even attempt it at the place where he goes to church? Thats fucking cuckoo. You also hope he gets kicked from church? If anything, as a Christian, you should be trying to help him right? Instead you're being the stereo-typical Christian and saying you hope he goes to hell. You also say there are "plenty of other places than that", well asshole, what if he wants to pick up a girl at his local church? You would think if your religion designates a places of eternal pain and suffering, you would try to help him, instead, you hope he goes there. You're a terrible human being. | ||
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OhThatDang
United States4685 Posts
=D this is going too far btw just let him do what he wants church should be like a mixed pot of goodies anyways I was just reminded of something I go to vietnamese mass at my church and sometimes people bring their friends whom are not vietnamese the only thing we tend to think is that they must be a friend of someone else, not because they are there to look for girls or whatever. If we see them come more and more they begin to talk about desiring to learn the language which is what the OP is doing afterall plus in his original blog didnt he say his friend brought him there? so i can kinda see both sides of it but more leaning towards him being innocent now that i think aboot it | ||
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ghostWriter
United States3302 Posts
Dilemma! I like when I watch anime and I recognize some words cause they're the same or recognizably similar to their Korean counterpart. Also, audio cds and lessons are crap. Just learn basic stuff like hello and easy words like table, chair and stuff and try to use as much Korean as you can. You'll have to use a lot of words from English in the beginning and people might laugh at you for your pronunciation, but that's to be expected. It'll take years but you could become pretty good if you keep at it. | ||
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AzureEye
United States1360 Posts
On August 18 2009 05:12 PanN wrote: So, because he can find women of his religion at other places, he shouldn't even attempt it at the place where he goes to church? Thats fucking cuckoo. You also hope he gets kicked from church? If anything, as a Christian, you should be trying to help him right? Instead you're being the stereo-typical Christian and saying you hope he goes to hell. You also say there are "plenty of other places than that", well asshole, what if he wants to pick up a girl at his local church? You would think if your religion designates a places of eternal pain and suffering, you would try to help him, instead, you hope he goes there. You're a terrible human being. Why are you raging at me? Are you the OP or doing the same thing? All this emotion you're putting into your post, you sound like he made a second account. Anyway the reason why he shouldn't do this isn't because he can find other Christians in other areas, thats off the main point. It's because he's pretending to be religious, using Christ's name as an excuse to fulfill his selfish sinful desires. Some of us take religion more seriously than others, but I'm not saying I'm a good Christian. Actually, my post few pages back exactly stated that I was a half-assed Christian myself, so you can keep shut your yaps about me being stereotypical or whatnot. Yes Im a terrible Christian but I always try to progress. Places have their function and many people like to keep it that way; I don't give a shit if he goes to a bar to pick up chicks; just don't be a douchebag, pretend your a believer, and go pick up chicks at church, thats just simply wrong. For example, would you go to a funeral and start drinking and partying there? No, you don't do that shit in a funeral, and the same logic applies for church EDIT: I really hope you take time to reflect on the words you wrote; I'm a terrible human being but I actually admit I am one and don't resort to name-calling. Grow the fuck up. Please. | ||
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TechniQ.UK
United Kingdom391 Posts
1) I hope your not going to a korean church for women or even just because you play a lot of starcraft and you think it might be cool to go to a church where koreans are. If your sacrificing spiritual growth and true teaching, so you can sit in a meeting where korean people are then you need to repent of that path and get back into a church where you have the gospel preached and where you can give your gifts to serve to build up the body of Christ and bear fruit (love, joy, peace, patience, goodness, faithfulness, self-control) for the glory of the Father. If this has been your motive all along and your really not in church for Christ, maybe you need to "examine yourself" as Paul said to believers, to see wether you be in the faith. Do you hate sin and love the Lord and has your personality and lifestyle radically changed since the first time you put your faith in Jesus and turn from sin? Make sure your not sucked into some lie where you said the "sinners prayer" or was raised in a Christian family yet you've never experienced being born-again - without which no one will be saved. "repent and believe the gospel" - Jesus not say this prayer and ask Jesus to come into your heart. 2) If you are a born-again Christian and you have that holiness and are growing in that holiness which started as a result of trusting Jesus and turning from your sin the first time, and your looking perhaps for a bride in that korean church, then I think that is OK. It's acceptable for a time, for Christians to go - even sometimes to bible college and seminary, to find a Christian wife, as we are to "marry, yet only in the Lord" and not be unequally yoked with unbelievers. Take Care, God bless. In Christ. | ||
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PanN
United States2828 Posts
On August 18 2009 10:20 AzureEye wrote: Why are you raging at me? Are you the OP or doing the same thing? All this emotion you're putting into your post, you sound like he made a second account. Anyway the reason why he shouldn't do this isn't because he can find other Christians in other areas, thats off the main point. It's because he's pretending to be religious, using Christ's name as an excuse to fulfill his selfish sinful desires. Some of us take religion more seriously than others, but I'm not saying I'm a good Christian. Actually, my post few pages back exactly stated that I was a half-assed Christian myself, so you can keep shut your yaps about me being stereotypical or whatnot. Yes Im a terrible Christian but I always try to progress. Places have their function and many people like to keep it that way; I don't give a shit if he goes to a bar to pick up chicks; just don't be a douchebag, pretend your a believer, and go pick up chicks at church, thats just simply wrong. For example, would you go to a funeral and start drinking and partying there? No, you don't do that shit in a funeral, and the same logic applies for church EDIT: I really hope you take time to reflect on the words you wrote; I'm a terrible human being but I actually admit I am one and don't resort to name-calling. Grow the fuck up. Please. 1.) Wanting to find a girl that shares his religious views is not the same as drinking and partying at a funeral. 2.) I'm not raging, I just find christians that say things such as "I hope you go to hell", hilarious and hypocritical. 3.) He never was pretending to be religious. 4.) You admitting you're a bad christian, doesn't change the fact that you're a bad christian. 5.) I consider "you're a terrible human being" more of a description, rather than name calling. 6.) The idea you have in your head that someone would want to learn an entire language just for women at a korean church amuses me, and makes me believe you read too many dramas. 7.) You being a "half-assed" christian is what I was talking about when you acted like a "stereotypical christian", so thanks for proving my point. I'm really not mad Azure, I just found it to be amusing that people jumped on him and started attacking him about women, when there was no basis for it. No woman was brought up, this is all hypothetical. | ||
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Zidane
United States1686 Posts
And from the OP's post you can tell he's very conscious of his 'social status' in his Church's inner group of friends, so going there for girls is not that far fetched. Anyway, it is hypothetical. | ||
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nayumi
Australia6499 Posts
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AzureEye
United States1360 Posts
On August 18 2009 10:51 PanN wrote: 1.) Wanting to find a girl that shares his religious views is not the same as drinking and partying at a funeral. 2.) I'm not raging, I just find christians that say things such as "I hope you go to hell", hilarious and hypocritical. 3.) He never was pretending to be religious. 4.) You admitting you're a bad christian, doesn't change the fact that you're a bad christian. 5.) I consider "you're a terrible human being" more of a description, rather than name calling. 6.) The idea you have in your head that someone would want to learn an entire language just for women at a korean church amuses me, and makes me believe you read too many dramas. 7.) You being a "half-assed" christian is what I was talking about when you acted like a "stereotypical christian", so thanks for proving my point. I'm really not mad Azure, I just found it to be amusing that people jumped on him and started attacking him about women, when there was no basis for it. No woman was brought up, this is all hypothetical. 1) Wanting to go to find a girl that shares his religious views is fine but doing that at a church where you're suppose to focus on your beliefs is doing it in a situation/location where you shouldn't just like drinking/partying at a funeral. 2) If you don't call that rage, I don't know what else to call it. Butt-hurt? E-raged? Yes I say harsh things but suck it up 3) Thats exactly why people are bashing on him for not going to church for the right reasons 4) Yeah I'm a bad Christian, your point? 5) I consider "asshole" name calling 6) Then you must not have come to the real world where desperate guys actually do that and even 2 posters on this very thread has admitted to it 7) So if I'm half-assed Christian which means I'm being stereotypical, you label every Christian as half-assed? Your logic fails. I'm glad you're not mad, I have better things to do than piss off random angry guys across the world. While I agree that its all hypothetical, when there are sufficient clues needed to make a good deduction, its not far-fetched to do so. Just link the clues together and use common sense. This guy summed it up quite nicely: On August 18 2009 11:26 Zidane wrote: Nope, it is strange that you would go to a church for a sermon you can't understand at all. And from the OP's post you can tell he's very conscious of his 'social status' in his Church's inner group of friends, so going there for girls is not that far fetched. Anyway, it is hypothetical. | ||
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QuanticHawk
United States32051 Posts
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TechniQ.UK
United Kingdom391 Posts
All Christians are in fact. Have you read the bible, do you know what Jesus was like? Perfect? Sinless? full of love, grace and truth? To say your a follower of Christ and then claim to be doing a great job at it, I mean that would be what you call a hypocrite. Also I don't blame secularists from getting angry here, I mean you cannot understand the reasoning of a Christian. You have an absolutely foreign worldview. So it's really pointless arguing over whether it's ok for this guy to go to church to solely meet a girl, as in the context of a Christian vs Secularist because there will never be an agreement unless the secularist decided to tried to imagine themselves as a Christian for a moment and thought through this situation in their mind. | ||
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nobodyhome
United States139 Posts
and for all we know, the reason he goes to a korean church rather than a non-korean church could just be that he likes it better there. maybe the sermons are better. or maybe, as he has said, the people there are nice, despite the fact that he couldn't understand them. all this judging really is kinda unwarranted. | ||
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vRoOk
United States1024 Posts
Sorry I (the OP) haven't been around for two and half days or so. As unlikely as it seems my computer has been down. And it was just 20 or so minutes ago before I was able to come back online. I didn't expect this blog to generated so much heat and debate.. I was still named it was hot thread. I was merely expecting an answered poll maybe with about eight votes yes and around five no. With some various reasons/experiences of some of the TLers who have dabbled in Korean or know it either as first or second language. As I read through the entire thread I see much of it is focused around wether or not I'm a devout christian or wether I'm their get to get some ass. The devout christian thing I can understand it strikes even me as odd to hear white boy attending Korean church? I'm not exactly sure where the meeting Korean girls thing came from. Anyways.. please allow me to explain myself. Although it is Korean church the pastor is a black male who served in Korea where married his Korean wife before moving back to the US to become a pastor. I imagine it was his wife whom influenced him into preached at Korean churches. Although my pastor knows a bit of Korean as he served in Korea and has taken Korean language classes he is not very proficient at it. A point wondered about by a few in this thread.. are the sermons in English or Korean? ALL sermons are in English even if there is guest Korean pastor. I know this makes little sense and a fair few of the churchgoers cannot understand english very well. Also as someone who I presume read another of my earlier threads recalled.. a male korean schoolmate of mine is the one who brought me into the church. Everyone is fine with me and I'll repeat all Koreans seem very friendly if they are warm to my coming to their church regularly they hide it very very well. The pastor is fine with me and his Korean wife adores me calling me her son. even going as far to invite me to their household a few times for lunch or dinner. This whole.. the OP only wants to go to meet some Korean girls? I've been attending this church for over 4 months now. If that was my intention I would have been learning Korean then. I have nothing against Korean girls.. there are two Korean females infact that I find very attractive. Both of whom can speak English perfectly fine or very near it.. no need to even learn Korean to attempt to impress/get with them. I have a girlfriend right whom I did nto meet at a church (or funeral), now who is white and infact makes fun of my going to Korean church and starcraft geekiness. Point being.. no I did not go to Korean for girls and I am not interested in learning a foreign language to impress some girls. The following is an unedited e-mail I wrote to my girlfriend shortly before posting this blog here on TL that gives a good summary of my thought on learning Korean at the time. Baby, I hope your not doing bad.. and in a better condition. I miss you lots <3 Today i went to church [korean] hahaha it was very nice. I have a lady there who is the pastors wife and she tells everyone im her favorite and people are like thats not fair he's white! and your not suppose to have favorites lol. She makes me sit by her and tells me if i dont come to church on sunday she'll come to my house and chop my balls off.. nice place eh? It's kinda weird cuz at the church It's hard to remeber everyones name even though i've been there like awhile.. some of them look very similar. Its rare if i can gets someone name right or even come very close at all.. unless its an english name like david or peter or joseph then i can remeber it instantly and even their face. kinda odd Its nice because many of the koreans are very friendly.. i dont know if its because im white or koreans are just very nice people in general. I wish i knew more korean cuz then i could hear and understand what they say when they speak to each other. There's 3 girls.. who were nice but ever since i messed up a duet with one of the girls all 3 dislike me lol but they are the only ones that i know of. I don't really have a group/cliche int he church though although many are nice no one seems to really want to invite into a good friend zone. There are many moments where i am left by myself all alone. Again im not sure if its because of the whole thing or just because if their not talking to me all talk is done in korean. I can imagine meeting a say spanish guy or something that knew no english and it would be hard to get him in a group or be friend if he couldnt commhunicate very well to the people that only knew english. Today I met a korean boy who is 18.. apparently i meet him months ago but i did not remeber him. He is very cool he puts Zoe Reynolds Fool to shame. He has really nice hair coupled with a very handsome asian style.. i mean if i were gay I'd tap dat. lol he'd make a perfect wingman! He was very friendly and has only been int he USA for 2 years but his english was pretty decent and he was telling me how old he was what school he goes to and such. It was very sad because even though he is 18 he is only a junior do to failing classes because he cannot understand english. That happened to my korean friend Davin as well. Anyways he was very nice and gave me a ride home after a 3 hour soccer game my team completely owned like 40-3 haha stunk because my new friend was on the other team. It was kinda weird because i didnt want to be rude and ask his name because theres no way i could know it. But I didnt want to ask.. I figure I'll ask someone else or when someone says it I'll hopefully realize it. I hope our friend ship will last more than one day. He was very nice and i think we would be good friends. I hope the language barrier is not to much. I really thinking about taking up some korean. I think It would help me get to know many of them better. But its a very hard and complicated language and such things take months if not years. What do you think? so that was my day so far anyways.. my brother and his fiancee are coming over to play a few games later today. Might be fun. I hope you get alot better very soon! I love you <33 So anyways.. my point in general is I wanted to learn Korean. Because even tough the Koreans were friendly towards me it was hard to communicate with veer well.. and people get tired of translating for me. So if I knew the language it would be much much easier. Although I reference done particular boy in the letter i wrote. I have many Korean friends and it's not just him.. he was one fellow I happened to meet that day and gave me a ride and I thought how great it would be to befriend him. That is the main reason i made this blog. Just to learn Korean to communicate better with these people i see x3 times a week now. Not because of girls nor because starcraft = Korea. Although admittedly when I first joined I had one or two thought of Korean church = lots of starcraft players. The reality is although many of them are aware of starcraft few to none follow the scene.. and i have not gamed anyone from the church at all.. except Peter whom again is the one who brought me there. The sport they care about is soccer. Which is fine with me, I play with them from time to time like 2 days ago when i wrote this blog after playing a soccer match and meeting a new friend (the korean boy) Thank you to all who have voted so far in my poll. I'm pleased to see that YES is winning. Korean is something I look forward to studying | ||
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