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Xeris
Profile Blog Joined July 2005
Iran17695 Posts
July 29 2009 07:49 GMT
#21
On July 29 2009 16:00 Chef wrote:
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On July 29 2009 15:53 Xeris wrote:
I don't think the foreign scene is little league at all. If I had to make a comparison (I'll use basketball since that's the sport I'm most familiar with) I would say that Korea is the NBA and the "foreign" scene is like European basketball. Sure the comparison isn't 100% accurate because there are Euros in the NBA that are some of the best players... but you get the gist of it. The NBA is just vastly far above the Euro leagues in terms of everything, size, skill, athleticism... that European teams simply can't compete. (Note: I'm not talking about national teams because that's really a totally different comparison).

The point though is that, whether you're a superstar in the NBA or a superstar in Europe... you are still a superstar, you're still playing the game at an incredibly high level, and you're still making tons of money. So who cares whether you want to reserve the title "bonjwa" for just Koreans... IdrA is doing exactly what a Korean bonjwa would do but in the foreign scene.

No way... People who play in their spare time will always be considered little league. That's like being amazed an NHL player could go to some hockey club of people with full time jobs and school them.

I'm not fully aware, but if European Basketball players play basketball full time, there's no comparison. The fact is most of the people Idra is beating are playing for fun, not for a job. Only TossGirl and PJ stood out.


First of all, I was talking about skill levels, it's not about the fact that both NBA and European players are professional and play for a living... obviously any comparison with a real sport is going to fall on its face in this respect because nobody outside of Korea plays BW "for a living". But also I think this shows your relative ignorance of the foreign scene. Just because top foreign players aren't making a living playing this game doesn't mean they are just playing in their spare time. You make it seem like these guys just show up at tournaments and happen to be good at the game. Do you have any idea how much the top players practice? People like Strelok and White-Ra are playing like 1k games per season on ICCUP, I'm sure Ret puts in many many hours per day of gaming... most of the people at the top aside from the lazy old guys like Mondragon (actually, most of ToT) are playing A LOT of Starcraft. Also, most of the players of ESC, mTw, RoX (not 100% sure of this), EG, and my own team are contracted and technically play this game professionally.

So just because you only see IdrA as a "pro gamer" and don't really know much else about the foreign scene other than the tournaments that make their way over to the TL forums doesn't mean that the foreign players are just random guys who hop on this game now and again to play tournaments. There is serious practice and effort that goes into it for the most part, so calling it "little league" is a gross exaggeration.
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FakeSteve[TPR]
Profile Blog Joined July 2003
Valhalla18444 Posts
July 29 2009 07:51 GMT
#22
theres a guy on massive comedy forum somethingawful.com whos avatar is idra's face with text that reads "you win by doing stupid things"
Moderatormy tatsu loops r fuckin nice
saritenite
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Singapore1680 Posts
July 29 2009 08:05 GMT
#23
SkilllessNoobieBane
Licmyobelisk
Profile Blog Joined August 2008
Philippines3682 Posts
July 29 2009 08:08 GMT
#24
"Dirty White Bonjwa"
I don't think I've ever wished my opponent good luck prior to a game. When I play, I play to win. I hope every opponent I ever have is cursed with fucking terrible luck. I hope they're stuck playing underneath a stepladder with a black cat in attendance a
omninmo
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
2349 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-07-29 08:25:59
July 29 2009 08:23 GMT
#25
idra is not the best non-korean.
there are at least 3 chinese (viz fnatic players) who could take indra in a bo 5 90% of the time
Best White Terran maybe... but he is not the undisputed foreign master.
ItsPaul
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Australia177 Posts
July 29 2009 08:55 GMT
#26
Isn't SC seperated into three groups? Korean, Chinese, and the rest (foreign)? If so, stating there are Chinese that could beat him isn't relevant to him being a foreign bonjwa.
Vex
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Ireland454 Posts
July 29 2009 09:04 GMT
#27
strelok, ret, white ra
wins / losses / statistics whatever, but these guys have flair, entertaining games, instead of identical solid, no-risk strats every time
"Bonjwa" is the most retarded word ever. Wtf does it even sound like.
JohnColtrane
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
Australia4813 Posts
July 29 2009 09:27 GMT
#28
LOL white boys can jump

and vex i thought a bonjwa was just someone that is dominant regardless of how much flair or risk they input into their play
HEY MEYT
JohnColtrane
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
Australia4813 Posts
July 29 2009 09:29 GMT
#29
On July 29 2009 16:51 FakeSteve[TPR] wrote:
theres a guy on massive comedy forum somethingawful.com whos avatar is idra's face with text that reads "you win by doing stupid things"


Lol can you link me to his profile please?
HEY MEYT
udgnim
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States8024 Posts
July 29 2009 09:32 GMT
#30
Idra vs F91 Liquibition rematch

DO IT
E-Sports is competitive video gaming with a spectator fan base. Do not take the word "Sports" literally.
MannerMan
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
371 Posts
July 29 2009 09:39 GMT
#31
On July 29 2009 15:58 Light]N[exuS wrote:
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On July 29 2009 15:15 JWD wrote:
On July 29 2009 15:06 Mortality wrote:
I really don't feel like it's appropriate to name someone "foreign bonjwa." Idra has gotten good, but the difference between him and Flash or Fantasy is incredibly vast.

I don't think you understand the meaning of the qualifier foreign in foreign bonjwa.


Might as well call someone the D+ Bonjwa


I think by very definition someone who dominates D+ players could not be a bonjwa since he would no longer be D+...

Foreigner is a title we bestow to anyone who did not learn to play broodwar in Korea, it's quite a bit different.
Etherone
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
United States1898 Posts
July 29 2009 10:40 GMT
#32
"Teapot Terran" imo
50bani
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
Romania480 Posts
July 29 2009 10:59 GMT
#33
Let's call him Gulliver
I'm posting on twoplustwo because I have always been amazed at the level of talent that populates this site --- it's almost unparalleled on the Internet.
Skyze
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
Canada2324 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-07-29 11:02:42
July 29 2009 10:59 GMT
#34
while hes good and maybe the best right now, He isnt at the level of Grrr or other foreigners when they moved to Korea.. so why crown him now? Grrr should be known as the foreign bonjwa.

Grrr was actually competing with the TOP korean players when he was in Korea. Equivilant is like if Idra was in GOM or OSLs top 8-16 rounds. Thats how good Grrr was.

We could call him "the foreign wizard" though... (harry potter ref?)
Canada Gaming ~~ The-Feared
konadora *
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
Singapore66158 Posts
July 29 2009 11:04 GMT
#35
On July 29 2009 16:51 FakeSteve[TPR] wrote:
theres a guy on massive comedy forum somethingawful.com whos avatar is idra's face with text that reads "you win by doing stupid things"

ahahaha lol ima go check it out
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Olorin.SVK
Profile Joined December 2008
Slovakia136 Posts
July 29 2009 11:09 GMT
#36
I think its stupid to call foreigners bonjwa. Bonjwa is the top, only one at the time. When will it end if you star calling Idra bonjwa, what will be next ? African bonjwa ? Antarctica bonjwa ? Bonjwa of my end-of-the-world village of population 300 ?
Ota Solgryn
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
Denmark2011 Posts
July 29 2009 11:48 GMT
#37
Lol everytime I see this blog title in the corner of my eye I read: Foreign Blowjob ...

Braindamage..
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Tom Phoenix
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
1114 Posts
July 29 2009 11:55 GMT
#38
IdrA is a good player, but I think calling him a "foreign bonjwa" is a bit much. For one thing, although he has been dominant lately, I do not think he has been dominant for long enough to qualify as a bonjwa. And for another, his losses to F91 and PJ have shown that he is currently not able to deal with the top Chinese players (and yes, Chinese are foreigners too; foreign=non-Korean).

I agree with Skyze that (P)Grrrr... is the closest thing to a bonjwa the foreign community has ever had, particularly since he is the only foreigner to hold a StarLeague title.
You and your "5 years of competitive RTS experience" can take a hike. - FrozenArbiter
floor exercise
Profile Blog Joined August 2008
Canada5847 Posts
July 29 2009 11:58 GMT
#39
can i be Posting Bonjwa
haduken
Profile Blog Joined April 2003
Australia8267 Posts
July 29 2009 12:20 GMT
#40
To qualify him as "Foreign Bonjwa". He will have to either win or finish second at wcg or go to China and slaughter the Chinese scene like Testie did at pgl.

Until then he is still a trash talking newbie that got lucky to play for a korean team.
Rillanon.au
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