Foreign Bonjwa's alias

On July 29 2009 15:06 Mortality wrote:
I really don't feel like it's appropriate to name someone "foreign bonjwa." Idra has gotten good, but the difference between him and Flash or Fantasy is incredibly vast.

On July 29 2009 15:15 JWD wrote:

I don't think you understand the meaning of the qualifier foreign in foreign bonjwa.

On July 29 2009 15:17 Samurai- wrote:
f91 begs to disagree..

On July 29 2009 15:15 JWD wrote:

I don't think you understand the meaning of the qualifier foreign in foreign bonjwa.

On July 29 2009 15:20 Chef wrote:
No way, it's way too early. He has to make the rooster to prove himself imo.

On July 29 2009 15:53 Xeris wrote:
I don't think the foreign scene is little league at all. If I had to make a comparison (I'll use basketball since that's the sport I'm most familiar with) I would say that Korea is the NBA and the "foreign" scene is like European basketball. Sure the comparison isn't 100% accurate because there are Euros in the NBA that are some of the best players... but you get the gist of it. The NBA is just vastly far above the Euro leagues in terms of everything, size, skill, athleticism... that European teams simply can't compete. (Note: I'm not talking about national teams because that's really a totally different comparison).

The point though is that, whether you're a superstar in the NBA or a superstar in Europe... you are still a superstar, you're still playing the game at an incredibly high level, and you're still making tons of money. So who cares whether you want to reserve the title "bonjwa" for just Koreans... IdrA is doing exactly what a Korean bonjwa would do but in the foreign scene.

On July 29 2009 15:53 Xeris wrote:
I don't think the foreign scene is little league at all. If I had to make a comparison (I'll use basketball since that's the sport I'm most familiar with) I would say that Korea is the NBA and the "foreign" scene is like European basketball. Sure the comparison isn't 100% accurate because there are Euros in the NBA that are some of the best players... but you get the gist of it. The NBA is just vastly far above the Euro leagues in terms of everything, size, skill, athleticism... that European teams simply can't compete. (Note: I'm not talking about national teams because that's really a totally different comparison).

The point though is that, whether you're a superstar in the NBA or a superstar in Europe... you are still a superstar, you're still playing the game at an incredibly high level, and you're still making tons of money. So who cares whether you want to reserve the title "bonjwa" for just Koreans... IdrA is doing exactly what a Korean bonjwa would do but in the foreign scene.

On July 29 2009 15:17 Samurai- wrote:
f91 begs to disagree..

On July 29 2009 15:25 Mortality wrote:


I think it's laughable and pathetic and degrades the meaning of the term "bonjwa."

Honestly, if your kid is playing little league sports, you don't give a shit who the "bonjwa" is unless the bonjwa just happens to be your kid.

Foreign Starcraft is little league.

On July 29 2009 16:00 Chef wrote:

No way... People who play in their spare time will always be considered little league. That's like being amazed an NHL player could go to some hockey club of people with full time jobs and school them.

I'm not fully aware, but if European Basketball players play basketball full time, there's no comparison. The fact is most of the people Idra is beating are playing for fun, not for a job. Only TossGirl and PJ stood out.

On July 29 2009 16:51 FakeSteve[TPR] wrote:
theres a guy on massive comedy forum somethingawful.com whos avatar is idra's face with text that reads "you win by doing stupid things"

On July 29 2009 15:58 Light]N[exuS wrote:


Might as well call someone the D+ Bonjwa

On July 29 2009 16:51 FakeSteve[TPR] wrote:
theres a guy on massive comedy forum somethingawful.com whos avatar is idra's face with text that reads "you win by doing stupid things"

On July 29 2009 21:20 haduken wrote:Until then he is still a trash talking newbie that got lucky to play for a korean team.

On July 30 2009 00:39 Tom Phoenix wrote:


While I am not a IdrA fan, I would certainly not consider him a "newbie". The fact still remains that he is the most solid foreign progamer currently on the scene, which makes him superior to a lot of the other foreign progamers (hence why he has won the majority of events).

However, his greatest asset (his solid standard play) is also his biggest detriment, which prevents him from doing well in Korean leagues or against creative players such as F91. Unless he adapts to playing less standard, I think he will continue to face problems.

On July 30 2009 00:39 Tom Phoenix wrote:


While I am not a IdrA fan, I would certainly not consider him a "newbie". The fact still remains that he is the most solid foreign progamer currently on the scene, which makes him superior to a lot of the other foreign progamers (hence why he has won the majority of events).

However, his greatest asset (his solid standard play) is also his biggest detriment, which prevents him from doing well in Korean leagues or against creative players such as F91. Unless he adapts to playing less standard, I think he will continue to face problems.

Q: Leading up to the finals, how much did you practice? Did any of your teammates at CJ know about it and help you to prepare?
A: I've found that practicing for matches against foreigners actually makes me do worse, I practiced for wcg usa and f91 and had builds and timings and whatnot prepared, and that just messed me up because they dont work vs the foreigners, who play far differently than the Koreans. Whereas I went into ESWC cold and was able to just play freely and rely on my mechanics and intuition. So I didn't practice at all for it, but that's not a slight to the tournament or to Yayba, it's just easier to play vs a non-standard opponent if you don't go in with a set game plan.