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While I am downloading the Halo trial to play with my friends over Hamachi, I thought "might as well write this"
I have been pondering alot about the community on my free time (even more so as iv had it with my mouse, getting an MS mouse tommorow, and exams are over). Before I go anywhere, I think this is the best community ever. period.
I have some confusions though. What was the first sc community site? I am guessing this one. Then I was wondering, if TL.net is sooooo awesome, why are there other sites? Like when the mogulus (aka livestream.com) thing was discovered, a new feature was added right away. I think it makes the English community's life so much easier if they are trying to stream things, and its very simple to use, just like every single feature here. I relate it to my discovory of Mac. As soon as I got on that thing, I figured the basics out (at the age of 11) within 2 minutes, and at the time, I wasnt very good with computers. That was possible because it was straight forward, just like TL.net. I mean look at GG.net.... my first look at it and I was like wtf..........
Anyway. Why are there so many other sites, when they know that they could just contribute here? like sc2gg.com. It was supposed to be like the thing that made e-sports spring up in North America (right? or I believe something along those lines). After listening to that Untitled Podcast, I am still confused... If they are finding that their thing isnt as successful, why not just shift everything and add english commentaries to TL.net?
Example of this already happening. VioleTAK in my opinion is IMO the most visited english commentary channel on youtube next to Klazart. I learned before, there were MANY youtube channels, doing commentaries on the same thing. I tihnk its better when ex. Rise + Diggity + Kenny do a commentary. Its just easier on the netizen's part.
Another example.. what is the point of Game Out Loud? Why not just stick to sc2gg.com, because thats where you got your fame from.
Another example.. I think GG.net is dying out right? Last time I checked, all their news was on foreign sites.
And what was the point of scforall.com... Why not just contribute here. Same goes with the handsomenerd.com, or tastelessgaming.com ... I dont see the points in these sites, cuz frankly the news is the same on the pro scene in all of those sites, and TL.net just makes it easier. Like I still see some good things here and there on the other sites, but why not help make TL.net be this huge mega site? It already kinda is for the sc community, and it has all the features. All i need is nevake + TL.net (and maybe Jon747, he is an exception to this rant because he adds things related to other e-sports).
Please someone correct me if im wrong here, cuz im kinda new to all this stuff.... but I think it be better for the starcraft community to just fuse, and have this one HUGE mega site (aka. TL.net), cuz its just better.
Before any flame occurs, this is just my opinion (very confused opinion I might add).
 
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I've also found myself wondering this kind of stuff too, with TL being as awesome as it is it's unlikely that another site will knock it off it's perch ever, so I don't know why there's these other sites springing up doing other things, if they could all colaborate together it'd be a lot easier for the average user.
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United States12607 Posts
SC's many fansites each have their own personalities and attitudes. Also, some of them specialize in certain aspects of the game (foreigner vs. Korean scenes, commentaries, strategy, VODs). While I definitely agree that it seems there are "too many" SC fansites (especially given the massive crop that popped up once SC2 was announced) I think your contention that they should all just contribute here is kind of unrealistic because it would be really difficult to organize so many people and so much content under one roof.
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Osaka27179 Posts
Some people like leather furniture, others like suede. Some people are happier in the country, others are happier in the city. Some people want to work for others, some people want to be the boss.
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One size doesn't fit all for game websites (fan or commercial).
TL.net wouldn't be my first stop if I just wanted see the latest news, screenshots, system specs or something like that for SC2. That differentiation into more specialized verticals of SC2 content will become a lot more prominent when the game ships I bet.
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Alright I see what your saying. But things like thehandsomenerd.com could very easily by combine into here. also.. i still dont get what game out loud is about...
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I think it's good that more communities exist for variety's sake. But I do agree there could be more helping each other. More interaction in general.
It's just a matter of communication I guess. I mean look at those leagues run by sc2gg and gameoutloud. They're terribly horrible at organizing stuff, they could very well just come here and open a topic asking publicly for help and some tips on how to do a league right. I'm sure many people would've helped and it would have been much smoother for them. But they didn't. Not sure why.... maybe they just didn't think about it? Maybe they just figured it would be better overall to do it themselves? I don't know..
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competition is good. i'm sure the existent of other sites have pushed the tl staff to release features with more motivation and ferocity than they otherwise would have.
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I might be a short time joiner, but I've been reading TL.net for atleast a good 2 years.
I think what would happen if the website communities joined together into 1 big web community, TL.net would lose it's individuality. I can't say I'm in the inner circle, but the folks here at TL.net are tight, and imagine how hard it would be to know who people were if the community quadrupled by incorporating all the other sites.
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CA10835 Posts
it's because people are looking for big profits with ESPORTS!!!
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motbob
United States12546 Posts
I see a clear reason for there to be different websites...
Gosugamers is for people who care mostly about the foreigner scene, Team Liquid is for people who care mostly about the Korean scene, and SC2GG is a website with a small active community (many times smaller than TL) but a large silent community that just wants to watch Starcraft with English commentary. SC2GG doesn't work with TL much because of fallout from Baezzi leaving TL for SC2GG (see below). One of the mods here called Radivel a fag behind his back for something terribly cruel and manipulative that he said and that sort of soured relations forever. It's too bad.
Then there are the auxiliary contributors... like Baezzi, who posts VODs quicker and in higher quality than anyone else. I never watch nevake when he's got videos uploaded... Baezzi doesn't work with TL anymore because he's incredibly nationalistic and anti-Japanese, and got into a heated argument about data that reflected poorly on Korea that he thought was cooked by the Japanese government.
Tasteless is Tasteless. He's got a fanbase of his own... there are plenty of people who only know of pro Starcraft because of him. Thus, it's logical for him to have his own site, forums etc. that are built around his commentating.
Every other site is just an attempt to make money. They know we do it the best here... they're just trying to emulate that success and make a profit on the side.
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motbob I think you got it confused. BaeZZi is the one who is intensely anti-japanese and nationalistic. Nevake is the one who works with TL now.
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motbob
United States12546 Posts
On June 26 2009 13:38 FragKrag wrote:
motbob I think you got it confused. BaeZZi is the one who is intensely anti-japanese and nationalistic. Nevake is the one who works with TL now.
oops, the nevake sentence was an afterthought. I see how that could be confusing lol... I'll edit it.
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Other sites are just more dedicated to different topics. BroodWarMaps.net and StarEdit.net are separate communities because people want to know everyone they're talking to makes maps. This could be achieved with a special Mapping forum on TL, but then a person would just have to sit and hope TL will implement it. By building your own website, you get full control and can make the features as you please. For mapping sites this worked really well.
GG.net definitely has a different style and belief when it comes to reporting SC. TL is pretty anal about spoilers, and rightly so. GG.net doesn't care at all. So if you like knowing what happened, but don't feel like watching the games, GG.net can appeal to some people.
The same goes with SC2GG... They really wanted full control over commentating and waiting for TL to make things happen for them would not necessarily have been great. I say this of course with respect to their community, not to their administration.
But even past that, I think TL can be very alienating to some people. Most people are nice, and start off very encouraging, but older vets have the power to create cliques and bandwagons and all sorts of drama. Think about way back when, when Klazart was actually hugely popular with TL. Maybe it was only among the lowest level SC players, but lots of people loved him and he build up his fanbase with TL. Then the drama bomb hits and people start ragging on him for not being as knowledgeable about the game as they'd like. Which was fine, but then it snowballed into a huge bandwagon of everyone on TL suddenly boycotting him and his fanbase just moving to youtube to ignore it all. No doubt many of the other commentators felt the same way when their strategic insight began being questioned every video. None of these guys ever claimed to really know their stuff, and there were a tonne of people and still are a tonne that don't care that much, as long as they can listen to someone be excited about SC. But still, they've pretty much been ousted by the TL community. If they'd kept posting here, every thread they made would have been a flame war. In that effect, that's why new communities have to exist. I love TL and I think it's the best SC site out there, but sometimes we're very elitist and we get jealous when we see someone become successful who we think shouldn't. And by we I mean a very noisy 5% of us and the 50% that basically mimic them.
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On June 26 2009 13:44 Chef wrote:
Other sites are just more dedicated to different topics. BroodWarMaps.net and StarEdit.net are separate communities because people want to know everyone they're talking to makes maps. This could be achieved with a special Mapping forum on TL, but then a person would just have to sit and hope TL will implement it. By building your own website, you get full control and can make the features as you please. For mapping sites this worked really well.
GG.net definitely has a different style and belief when it comes to reporting SC. TL is pretty anal about spoilers, and rightly so. GG.net doesn't care at all. So if you like knowing what happened, but don't feel like watching the games, GG.net can appeal to some people.
The same goes with SC2GG... They really wanted full control over commentating and waiting for TL to make things happen for them would not necessarily have been great. I say this of course with respect to their community, not to their administration.
But even past that, I think TL can be very alienating to some people. Most people are nice, and start off very encouraging, but older vets have the power to create cliques and bandwagons and all sorts of drama. Think about way back when, when Klazart was actually hugely popular with TL. Maybe it was only among the lowest level SC players, but lots of people loved him and he build up his fanbase with TL. Then the drama bomb hits and people start ragging on him for not being as knowledgeable about the game as they'd like. Which was fine, but then it snowballed into a huge bandwagon of everyone on TL suddenly boycotting him and his fanbase just moving to youtube to ignore it all. No doubt many of the other commentators felt the same way when their strategic insight began being questioned every video. None of these guys ever claimed to really know their stuff, and there were a tonne of people and still are a tonne that don't care that much, as long as they can listen to someone be excited about SC. But still, they've pretty much been ousted by the TL community. If they'd kept posting here, every thread they made would have been a flame war. In that effect, that's why new communities have to exist. I love TL and I think it's the best SC site out there, but sometimes we're very elitist and we get jealous when we see someone become successful who we think shouldn't. And by we I mean a very noisy 5% of us and the 50% that basically mimic them.
I don't think any of the sc2gg commentators even know how to play.
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motbob
United States12546 Posts
On June 26 2009 14:12 illu wrote:Show nested quote +On June 26 2009 13:44 Chef wrote:
Other sites are just more dedicated to different topics. BroodWarMaps.net and StarEdit.net are separate communities because people want to know everyone they're talking to makes maps. This could be achieved with a special Mapping forum on TL, but then a person would just have to sit and hope TL will implement it. By building your own website, you get full control and can make the features as you please. For mapping sites this worked really well.
GG.net definitely has a different style and belief when it comes to reporting SC. TL is pretty anal about spoilers, and rightly so. GG.net doesn't care at all. So if you like knowing what happened, but don't feel like watching the games, GG.net can appeal to some people.
The same goes with SC2GG... They really wanted full control over commentating and waiting for TL to make things happen for them would not necessarily have been great. I say this of course with respect to their community, not to their administration.
But even past that, I think TL can be very alienating to some people. Most people are nice, and start off very encouraging, but older vets have the power to create cliques and bandwagons and all sorts of drama. Think about way back when, when Klazart was actually hugely popular with TL. Maybe it was only among the lowest level SC players, but lots of people loved him and he build up his fanbase with TL. Then the drama bomb hits and people start ragging on him for not being as knowledgeable about the game as they'd like. Which was fine, but then it snowballed into a huge bandwagon of everyone on TL suddenly boycotting him and his fanbase just moving to youtube to ignore it all. No doubt many of the other commentators felt the same way when their strategic insight began being questioned every video. None of these guys ever claimed to really know their stuff, and there were a tonne of people and still are a tonne that don't care that much, as long as they can listen to someone be excited about SC. But still, they've pretty much been ousted by the TL community. If they'd kept posting here, every thread they made would have been a flame war. In that effect, that's why new communities have to exist. I love TL and I think it's the best SC site out there, but sometimes we're very elitist and we get jealous when we see someone become successful who we think shouldn't. And by we I mean a very noisy 5% of us and the 50% that basically mimic them. I don't think any of the sc2gg commentators even know how to play.
See, this is what he's talking about.
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they really dont. sc2gg caters to a pretty low skilled group, thats a large part of the reason me and petzergling split ourselves apart from that community when we started commentating, even tho we both met on there
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