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So. Story time. Every word of this story is true.
I met this girl eight days ago today. My cousin introduced us. Literally 20 minutes after we met, I found that I could not stop thinking about her. I felt like a high schooler again. Rather ridiculous, really, but I didn't think much of it at the time.
As the week progressed, she and I hit it off on a level previously unknown to me. Every moment we spent together we bonded closer in new and previously undiscovered ways. My heart was full of hope for this new possibility. A long story short, we grew as close as one can expect for such a short time.
Then the problem came: we both agreed that we were perfectly positioned for a fantastic relationship, but for one small problem: she is a devout Christian, and I am at best a rather tentative Deist. Normally when confronted with a problem such as this, I do the smart thing. Cut my losses and move on. But with this girl I'm finding it utterly impossible to do this. That is a testament to the depth of the bond that has already grown between us and the burgeoning (love) that is growing. Basically I'm confronted with the ugly choice of accepting Christianity or moving on.
Advice is greatly appreciated. Please no ad hominem assaults on the female, as I can see her point for not wanting a relationship in which the parties involved have different religious affiliation. While I don't share her feelings, I respect her views.
Anyway, please post your thoughts as to what I should do.
 
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I honestly don't think you can change your religion just for a girl. It just wouldn't work. You could go through the motions and be a christian on the surface, but I can't imagine you choosing this path and ever thinking of yourself as "devout".
If you do decide to move forward as is, I feel that religious tension will eventually come up. The relationship could go on for years before this happens, but eventually the topic will come up and something bad will happen.
Assuming she can't be your gf unless you convert, I'd say *definitely* stay away. If you try and pretend to convert just to make her happy, when something does happen, it'll be even worse than if you try and have a relationship with different religions.
It seems like you want a serious relationship with her, so I'd definitely advise against it. Maybe I'm too cynical, but I don't think I'd ever try to have a deep relationship with someone who's invested themself so heavily in religion.
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Obviously the best solution to a religious conflict, is to slowly back away from each other before anyone says a word on the subject.
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If you're so much into each other I don't think it should matter. From what you're telling me you're a Deist so you don't believe in Christianity and all that, but the thing I don't get is, why does it bother you that she is Christian? I mean it's one thing to not to believe in what she believes and still be tolerant and open minded, and it's another to not believe in what she believes in and to be bothered by it. IMO you should just let her believe in what she believes and carry on your point of view on those matters. Religion shouldn't be the deciding factor in a relationship IMO, at least not until you have kids and you have to make the choice whether you want your kid to be this, or that.
Also we need to know more about the girl personality like, is she like a fanatic that is trying to convert you right away, or is she just a normal Christian that goes to church, maybe carriers a cross as a necklace etc. etc. Maybe ask her also if all her family is very religious, and if they are tolerant or not.
If she is the fanatic type it's all up to you - try to change her views or bail. I mostly try to stay away from the fanatic ones but if you decide she's worth trying to talk some sense into, then go for it.
If she's normal, then I don't see a problem. Both of you should get together and talk about it, whether you're ready to make sacrifices or not and work from there, together.
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I don't think converting to a religion because of a girl is a good idea. How old are you if you are not in college, I would go ahead and say there are a lot of fish in the sea.
But in the end it comes down to, what do you want, and what are you willing to do to get what you want.
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even if you are in a relationship, you are just individuals.
you don't have to share each other views, if you enjoy each other's companion
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I think he wants a solution to the whole no sex before marriage deal.
Not support on that he can spend the rest of his life with someone he just had a crush on lol.
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On June 23 2009 20:50 Cloud wrote:
I think he wants a solution to the whole no sex before marriage deal.
Not support on that he can spend the rest of his life with someone he just had a crush on lol.
ROFL, if thats the case, just ask her to to pose for you naked and do it with your hand xD.
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If you watch the movie StarShipTroopers there is a good life lesson in there when Rico joins the military for his gf. Changing yourself in order to please a girl (or anyone for that matter) is generally pretty retarded.
I don't see what the problem is anyways, Why can't either of you accept the other regardless of what you believe in. Its almost like saying "i can't marry this girl because she likes to go to pancake club, read pancake books, and eat pancakes often". Do you stop talking to a person when you find out they believe in something taboo or weird? Where do you draw the line and why?
ex; You meet a guy, he's nice and generally cool and fun to hang out with. Later on you find out he's a satanist.
Imo, cutting him off just because of his belief is pretty fucked up.
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By the sound of it, Christianity is already not a choice you would make for yourself. That being the case, playing along as a Christian without truly believing it would make the entire foundation of your relationship a lie. If she likes you for who you are, nothing else should matter.
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Sydney2287 Posts
Try to make her accept you as not a christian.
If that's not possible, I think I'd move on.
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???
Are you getting fucking married after a week? What the hell does that have to do with anything? Go out, have a good time, get your rocks off and move on if it doesn't work out.
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Convert. Your religious views sound undecided and flexible ("tentative Deist"); sounds like the biggest conflict there is with the ritual of the Church so you'd just have to go through the motions...but you just need to keep yourself open to the possibility that its not total bullshit, even if you don't believe it, because someone you love and respect believes it.
I mean, I'm an undecided as well and while I believe in God, I don't believe in a lot of associated aspects. However, my parents are devout Christians, and pretty old. I really don't want to make a violent break from the Church because my faith is so undecided and all I would be doing is making my parents hate me. Perhaps this reflects a flaw in my parents but hey, people have flaws, and sometimes you have to live with them (and enjoy it for other reasons).
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Tell her your favorite book is Brothers Karamazov by Dostoevsky.
Ask her to read it. Make sure she finishes it.
If she still hasn't softened up and/or reevaluated her position... you wouldn't wanna be with her anyway. She's a fundamentalist nut. It'd never work out.
I'm serious. If there's one book aside from the bible that could do the trick, I'd place my bets with that one.
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On June 23 2009 21:55 Bockit wrote:
Try to make her accept you as not a christian.
If that's not possible, I think I'd move on.
Please do not convert for someone who will not accept you if you didn't.
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Kennigit
Canada19447 Posts
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yeah religious difference screwed over my last relationship
not going to deal with it again
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Kennigit
Canada19447 Posts
On June 23 2009 23:31 Sunyveil wrote:
yeah religious difference screwed over my last relationship
not going to deal with it again
This. Don't waste your time.
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Either you can actually try to understand and seek Christianity and give it a chance if you like her so much. Because God will, not matter what, be the most important thing in her life. And if you will not accept it, she cannot have a relationship with you. It will not work out. So either you look into Christianity for her sake. Or you drop her.
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If she's not going to have a relationship because she can't accept your religious views, she's not worth it.
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On June 23 2009 23:38 ThePhan2m wrote:
Either you can actually try to understand and seek Christianity and give it a chance if you like her so much. Because God will, not matter what, be the most important thing in her life. And if you will not accept it, she cannot have a relationship with you. It will not work out. So either you look into Christianity for her sake. Or you drop her.
Why does he have to conform man? Isn't each person entitled to their own opinions without having to change them? I feel that it is possible for him to get over the fact she is a Christian if she can get over the fact he isn't.. a mutual agreement if you will.
I don't think OP specified.. who had a problem with who's personal beliefs?
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On June 23 2009 23:46 David Mudkips wrote:Show nested quote +On June 23 2009 23:38 ThePhan2m wrote:
Either you can actually try to understand and seek Christianity and give it a chance if you like her so much. Because God will, not matter what, be the most important thing in her life. And if you will not accept it, she cannot have a relationship with you. It will not work out. So either you look into Christianity for her sake. Or you drop her. Why does he have to conform man? Isn't each person entitled to their own opinions without having to change them? I feel that it is possible for him to get over the fact she is a Christian if she can get over the fact he isn't.. a mutual agreement if you will. I don't think OP specified.. who had a problem with who's personal beliefs?
She is the one that believes in God. She has the problem him not believing. She is the one that has the restrictions and believes of no sex before marriage. And the Bible aswell tells her that she should not find a life partner that is not a believer. The whole essence in a relationship, where two persons become ONE is that they can share everything, even their believes that is in this case, the most important thing for her. Praying togather with the partner is very important for a believer like her. If she cannot do this, it will be pointless to have a relationship. Because God should be the center of a relationship for a believer. And this cannot happen if he doenst believe.
And if your point is that she should stop believing for his sake. Then it is totally up to her. But in my experience, this very unlikley to happen. God is a very important thing for a devout believer.
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Sorry, I didn't know the Bible said that they have to find a life partner that is a believer. In that case, it probably is best to move on. Or pretend that you believe her religion.
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On June 24 2009 00:07 David Mudkips wrote:
Or pretend that you believe her religion.
This is certantly the worst choise. the OP should, under no circumstances pretend to be a believer.
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The OP is a believer... of a different kind.
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I'm not religious myself and I'll never be convinced so I understand where you're coming from.
If you really like her there is only one way to go.
You just need to avoid talking about the issue and let it go. Never be drawn into it unless she really really pushes you. Then still try to be nice about it and just say something like " I'm not convinced religion is true, there may be a God, can we move on?"
If she is alright with you not going to Church then that's fine.
Nothing good can come from confrontations. The vast majority of people can't be argued out of religion, you have to fall out of it. Any arguments you have will never end well.
I wouldn't really see it as that big an issue.
People are stupid in many ways. Lots of people would think watching others play video games is stupid. You just have to agree to disagree.
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TRUST ME when I say trying to make living with a Christian will NOT WORK.
Please man, I know you like her a lot, but she is not worth destroying your life over.
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Cut your losses and move on. This is your only (realistic) option.
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On June 23 2009 21:55 Bockit wrote:
Try to make her accept you as not a christian.
If that's not possible, I think I'd move on.
100%
actually I'd probably just move on, or hand around till i find someone else? =)
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Unless if you like her a lot. You could just think religion practice as disciplinary practice. (Getting up early for church sessions and enduring the stuff. Depends on how you are, it may be an easy thing instead.).
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God this kind of thing annoys me so much. Who cares about religion...If she doesn't want to be with you because you're not a Christian then she must not really like you enough anyway. Shame to think it but it's probably true.
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On June 23 2009 20:43 Latham wrote:
If you're so much into each other I don't think it should matter. From what you're telling me you're a Deist so you don't believe in Christianity and all that, but the thing I don't get is, why does it bother you that she is Christian? I mean it's one thing to not to believe in what she believes and still be tolerant and open minded, and it's another to not believe in what she believes in and to be bothered by it. IMO you should just let her believe in what she believes and carry on your point of view on those matters. Religion shouldn't be the deciding factor in a relationship IMO, at least not until you have kids and you have to make the choice whether you want your kid to be this, or that.
Also we need to know more about the girl personality like, is she like a fanatic that is trying to convert you right away, or is she just a normal Christian that goes to church, maybe carriers a cross as a necklace etc. etc. Maybe ask her also if all her family is very religious, and if they are tolerant or not.
If she is the fanatic type it's all up to you - try to change her views or bail. I mostly try to stay away from the fanatic ones but if you decide she's worth trying to talk some sense into, then go for it.
If she's normal, then I don't see a problem. Both of you should get together and talk about it, whether you're ready to make sacrifices or not and work from there, together.
Maybe he sees more in her than just a good fuck and doesn't want to hurt her in the long run due to religious differences that could start now and grow into a catastrophic anomaly of intense proportions unseen thus far by humans on this earth then his children would become torn between Christianity and deism not knowing what to believe and they all six would commit suicide, some using crosses and others using sharp idols from unknown eras.
Or maybe he is just upset that christian girls (well catholics) don't fuck before marriage :D
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Edit: Nvrm, I don't give a shit
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You would be lying to yourself, your girlfriend, and God if you converted because of her. I like what ThePham2m said.
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I'm atheist, i went out with a christian girl for quite a while, it came up about twice and neither was important. i don't understand what the big deal is.
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Am I really the only one who things you're blowing this entirely out of proportion after meeting a girl eight days ago??
A bunch of hopeless romantics here!
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Kentor
United States5784 Posts
She's gonna say you're going to hell.
Who'd want that for the rest of your life?
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3 Lions
United States3705 Posts
I wonder what type of Christian she is? Depends, because if I were Deist/nonChristian I would do different things depending on which type of Christian she is (Orthodox/Protestant/Catholic/etc)
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On June 23 2009 20:50 Cloud wrote:
I think he wants a solution to the whole no sex before marriage deal.
Not support on that he can spend the rest of his life with someone he just had a crush on lol.
One close friend got together with a fundie. He married her really fast for some reason, I wonder why. >
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+ Show Spoiler +On June 23 2009 23:06 LaLuSh wrote:
Tell her your favorite book is Brothers Karamazov by Dostoevsky.
Ask her to read it. Make sure she finishes it.
If she still hasn't softened up and/or reevaluated her position... you wouldn't wanna be with her anyway. She's a fundamentalist nut. It'd never work out.
I'm serious. If there's one book aside from the bible that could do the trick, I'd place my bets with that one. Thats a pretty good idea, never thought on dostoevsky before when into this problem, thanks.
Let me talk about my experience on this.
I am a complete atheist activist. I believe that religion is a way to control primitive people in a primitive culture. I think that art should make us free from the boundaries of any religion. There are some religion that are insane on the level of control. And i think we should get free of it.
My first close girlfriend was a really christian girl. She was from some congregation, catecumenos in spanish, so we can tell she was a real fanatic. We didnt stop from doing anything anyway. We were together for a long time, and i was really happy. We actually lived together for something like 1 year. But finally she dump me, for "my lack of faith". Thats completely a lie, actually she started to fuck again with me (she was maried for 1 year like 4 years before i met her, she got maried when she was 18 and divorced on 19, when i met her she was 23,i was 21) and she was hot for some guy in her congregation... but, then i understood. She couldnt have any projection with me. I wouldnt accept ever she taking our kids to church, she wouldnt accept my talking about pedofiles priest in front of them. I discover after some years that we could never have a family together. And i really want to have that in my life. But i loved here much, and i am sure, she loved me back. Sometimes we talk, and we are good friends. She is still alone, cuse she is SOOO religious... hope some day she found a guy in here way.
My actual girlfriend is lutheran... she is from northern europe and that is really common there. But after something like a year together she is much more open to everything than before. She started to question things like authority and order, is just because she is younger and inexperienced. I think that if she never came to latinamerica she would be such a different person that the one she is. Now she have own thoughts and own ideas, and more important, now she reads and get her own opinion. We still have some issues to talk about on that, most of them are about what do we expect when raising childs...
What i am trying to say... is that finally the decision is on you, but be aware that most of the cases u can still have a really good time. To lose someone just because of that is primitive, ignorant and really stupid, but to fight the rest of your live for what to tell or not to tell to your children isnt smart at all. Things never are black and white.
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It just depends on how devout of a Christian she is. Sometimes it'll end up being a huge problem, but it also can end up not being too much of an issue as well.
For example, my current gf is a Christian, yet we are still together despite the fact that I only mention religion to make fun of it. (Not in front of her of course)
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fag :p
off course i never lose a chance to make fun of religion in front of my gf, in front of the first too, i need to wake her up, she need to realize that religion IS NOT IMPORTANT in life.
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On June 24 2009 04:25 coltrane wrote:
fag :p
off course i never lose a chance to make fun of religion in front of my gf, in front of the first too, i need to wake her up, she need to realize that religion IS NOT IMPORTANT in life.
This is pretty much a post I don't think you should listen to if you decide to stay with her. It seems to me that recently I've met just as many intolerant atheists as I have Christians. I'm really frustrated with both of the intolerant portions of these groups. (I guess you could say I'm intolerant of intolerance  )
Some people think differently than you. If she can respect that you think differently than her and wants to work on the relationship, then perhaps you should try to work it out by respecting her differences as well.
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Here's a win-win situation for you.
First you tell her you converted to Christianity.
Then just fuck her and move on.
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A person's belief shouldn't be a deciding factor in a relationship or friendship. Ever saw the South Park episode "All About the Mormons?"? Here's a quote from it: + Show Spoiler +"All I ever did was try to be your friend, Stan, but you're so high and mighty you couldn't look past my religion and just be my friend back. You've got a lot of growing up to do, buddy. Suck my balls."
On June 23 2009 23:04 duckett wrote:
I mean, I'm an undecided as well and while I believe in God, I don't believe in a lot of associated aspects. However, my parents are devout Christians, and pretty old. I really don't want to make a violent break from the Church because my faith is so undecided and all I would be doing is making my parents hate me. Perhaps this reflects a flaw in my parents but hey, people have flaws, and sometimes you have to live with them (and enjoy it for other reasons).
I'm in the same boat as you except my parents are devoted Catholics. I'm glad I don't have to deal with this during the fall and spring semester; winter and summer breaks is a different story.
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maybe its just cause i'm a christian -sound of mouse wheels scrolling to next post-, but i feel like there's a middle ground here between "move on, its not worth it" and "convert to keep her"
you call yourself a 'tentative' deist, why not explore christianity? at my uni there are TONNES of oppurtunities for people to meet christians, ask questions and generally learn what it's all about (as most people don't know as much as they'd think about it!)
if you're even considering converting for her, she clearly means enough to you that you could make this effort, which doesn't involve lieing to anyone, agreeing to anything you don't want to or making rash decisions.
btw, i think from this thread so far we can see that christian+non-christian relationships are a bad idea!
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Am I the only one who doesn't quite believe the story?
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On June 24 2009 04:57 kerpal wrote:
maybe its just cause i'm a christian -sound of mouse wheels scrolling to next post-, but i feel like there's a middle ground here between "move on, its not worth it" and "convert to keep her"
you call yourself a 'tentative' deist, why not explore christianity? at my uni there are TONNES of oppurtunities for people to meet christians, ask questions and generally learn what it's all about (as most people don't know as much as they'd think about it!)
if you're even considering converting for her, she clearly means enough to you that you could make this effort, which doesn't involve lieing to anyone, agreeing to anything you don't want to or making rash decisions.
btw, i think from this thread so far we can see that christian+non-christian relationships are a bad idea!
I like this post.
Going to church with her does not mean you've "Accepted" Christianity. It's not a yes or no decision. You can explain to her that you're willing to be open minded towards it and attend church with her and see things for yourself, but that you can't promise you'll convert. She'll respect your open mindedness aswell as your own self-loyalty.
Seriously, it's not scary. You just keep an open mind. Also, it would give you a lot of insight into what she believes and who she is, just by listening to the service.
Problem solved? You don't _have_ to be on either extreme side. There's no weakness on having not yet formed a solid decision on what you believe. I think if anything, keeping an open mind and hearing things out gives you perspective that others may lack.
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On June 24 2009 05:02 MoltkeWarding wrote:
Am I the only one who doesn't quite believe the story?
I've considered that aswell. Especially with an opening line like that.
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On June 23 2009 23:40 searcher wrote:
If she's not going to have a relationship because she can't accept your religious views, she's not worth it.
Agreed. This falls in the category of " I really like this guy/girl, but I don't want to be with him becouse he/she <insert stupidity here>.". -_-
If you can't accept each other's different views and values on something, it's pretty hard to have a good relationship.
I mean, that's what relationships are about, accepting each other's "defects" - accepting them for who they are, not trying to skew them to your view of how things should be (at least not by force or intentionally). Love/relationships are about enjoying/emphasizing on the "good" in people, not concentrating and bitching on the "bad sides".
Ofc, it's good to show some understanding to the other side, have an open mind, but not going totally against your principles.
Bad way of trying to convince her (imo) - quasi-logic: "God gave men Reasoning and the teachings. It is we who, with our god-given Reason, accept or refuse believing. And it is you who must understand that if God did not want to impose either, why should you? Who are you to impose what God himself did not want to impose! Then again, it is your free will to impose it, by the same principle - as is mine to not believe." QED.
Better way:
Try to ask her why does she really like it so much and see if you can find an analogy in your Deist/Atheist view to connect to that - if anything, it will either help you two better understand each other's view and maybe accept it to some bearable level, or make you understand better that you're not fit for each other, easing the breakup. (Although I assume you already did this... but try it with a little more opened mind, and try to open her mind too, but non-invasively.)
You could even tell her you would want to go to the church to see how it is, and then decide if you like it or not - I mean it's not so bad to, from time to time, do something that makes the other happy, or at least trying to see if it works for you at some level.
Edit: Hahaha by the time I was writing this, someone already posted similar things. I love it.
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On June 24 2009 04:14 coltrane wrote:[spoiler] Show nested quote +On June 23 2009 23:06 LaLuSh wrote:
Tell her your favorite book is Brothers Karamazov by Dostoevsky.
Ask her to read it. Make sure she finishes it.
If she still hasn't softened up and/or reevaluated her position... you wouldn't wanna be with her anyway. She's a fundamentalist nut. It'd never work out.
I'm serious. If there's one book aside from the bible that could do the trick, I'd place my bets with that one. I wouldnt accept ever she taking our kids to church, she wouldnt accept my talking about pedofiles priest in front of them.
Why would you care if she took your kids to church? And it's not like all priests are pedophiles.
There's nothing wrong with taking kids to church. There's FAR worse things they could be doing. The vast majority of the things you learn in church are good.
I am totally non-religion. I understand it's nonsense. But I also understand that it helps the human mind cope with problems and if you can accept it can enhance your life.
All humans hold delusions that aren't true, mostly about their importance and their abilities. If not you're usually depressed.
So your kids will end up with the good moral values and the community of Church. In current society there isn't much of an alternative to that.
I'd rather my kids went to church than solve their problems through drugs and other dangerous things like I did.
In time the human race will realise religion is bullshit but it's going to take a long time. If you spend your life trying to change everything you just end up pissed off.
Edit: On that note i'm a motherfucking mutalisk YEAH BABY!
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Why not try out going to her church first...?
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On June 24 2009 05:26 BanZu wrote:
Why not try out going to her church first...?
Trust me, there's nothing worse than Church if you're strongly against religion. It's horribly painful.
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Uh, what denomination is she?
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On June 24 2009 05:32 Klive5ive wrote:Show nested quote +On June 24 2009 05:26 BanZu wrote:
Why not try out going to her church first...? Trust me, there's nothing worse than Church if you're strongly against religion. It's horribly painful.
It depends on the service. I could easily listen to a preacher talk about the Bible for an hour, but I can't fucking stand the new age evangelical service that is just one big shitty Christian-rock singalong.
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On June 24 2009 05:45 Mindcrime wrote:Show nested quote +On June 24 2009 05:32 Klive5ive wrote:On June 24 2009 05:26 BanZu wrote:
Why not try out going to her church first...? Trust me, there's nothing worse than Church if you're strongly against religion. It's horribly painful. It depends on the service. I could easily listen to a preacher talk about the Bible for an hour, but I can't fucking stand the new age evangelical service that is just one big shitty Christian-rock singalong.
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On June 24 2009 05:45 Mindcrime wrote:Show nested quote +On June 24 2009 05:32 Klive5ive wrote:On June 24 2009 05:26 BanZu wrote:
Why not try out going to her church first...? Trust me, there's nothing worse than Church if you're strongly against religion. It's horribly painful. It depends on the service. I could easily listen to a preacher talk about the Bible for an hour, but I can't fucking stand the new age evangelical service that is just one big shitty Christian-rock singalong.
I have found 95% of services to be just horrible to stand in.
My Grandfather died and as much as I got along with the guy I found the entire church service they had for his funeral just about down right appaling. These priests talking about a guy they didn't even know.
It pissed me off frankly.
Now of course a regular church service won't be a FUNERAL but if you have any doubts on religion a lot of what you hear in a service will just make you go "WTF"
OP... you don't fall in love in 8 days. You are either lusting hard core or you have lead a particularly lonely life before hand. If you convert for her, you will be a very sad man in about a year.
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I never really understood the whole converting for someone else business. Sure, you can force yourself to go through all the motions, but if you don't actually believe any of the underlying material, what's the point?
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If you can accept that she thinks you're going to hell, I say go for it!
On June 24 2009 05:02 MoltkeWarding wrote:
Am I the only one who doesn't quite believe the story?
Nope. The facts don't add up. "I'm not a naive teenager, but I'm totally in love with this girl I met last week; but she's Christian!" It's just contradictory.
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There is no point, and it would not be a true conversion. Paul in Romans stipulates that the true covenant with God is made in the faithfulness of the heart, and not through ritual. Anyone who is unfaithful to that pledge undoes his covenant, regardless of his outer manifestations of piety.
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Move on. Don't change your core values for anybody but yourself.
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On June 24 2009 05:22 Klive5ive wrote:Show nested quote +On June 24 2009 04:14 coltrane wrote:[spoiler] On June 23 2009 23:06 LaLuSh wrote:
Tell her your favorite book is Brothers Karamazov by Dostoevsky.
Ask her to read it. Make sure she finishes it.
If she still hasn't softened up and/or reevaluated her position... you wouldn't wanna be with her anyway. She's a fundamentalist nut. It'd never work out.
I'm serious. If there's one book aside from the bible that could do the trick, I'd place my bets with that one. I wouldnt accept ever she taking our kids to church, she wouldnt accept my talking about pedofiles priest in front of them. Why would you care if she took your kids to church? And it's not like all priests are pedophiles. There's nothing wrong with taking kids to church. There's FAR worse things they could be doing. The vast majority of the things you learn in church are good. I am totally non-religion. I understand it's nonsense. But I also understand that it helps the human mind cope with problems and if you can accept it can enhance your life. All humans hold delusions that aren't true, mostly about their importance and their abilities. If not you're usually depressed. So your kids will end up with the good moral values and the community of Church. In current society there isn't much of an alternative to that. I'd rather my kids went to church than solve their problems through drugs and other dangerous things like I did. In time the human race will realise religion is bullshit but it's going to take a long time. If you spend your life trying to change everything you just end up pissed off. Edit: On that note i'm a motherfucking mutalisk YEAH BABY!
i am not totally agree...
I dont want any lies on my kids formation. So i dont want them to know about religion before they can understand that is a solution for some hard to accept facts (like death) of life. I do believe that those kind of questioning are far away from the birh, maybe when you start to read and start to educate yourself. And i dont think so greater thing to christian values, they are almost all a bunch of lies, how anyone can tell me te be humble when have a nice meal everyday.
And i am in a tolerating mood... other days i could be asking for help to burn a church,
"La única iglesia que ilumina es la que arde"
The only church that enlight us is the one on fire.
So, getting back to your issue, if u can deal with it go for it, but if you really are thinking in a future then you and her have to know that there are going to be conflict. Dont be afraid with them, they are usually for the best. Even if u later broke up.
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Marry her and then say "haha gotcha i never really cared for all that religious mumbo jumbo"
I personally would never date a religious fanatic though.
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