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Sonu
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
Canada577 Posts
May 23 2009 03:21 GMT
#1
Alright I finally got some video.

I want to pinpoint why I keep collapsing during a game(basically macro failing). Then I lose



So I need your help. What can I improve?

btw if it looks like its lagging, its cuz it was lagging in game.

"I really like this wall-in, because its not a fucking wall" - DAy[9]
BanZu
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
United States3329 Posts
May 23 2009 03:32 GMT
#2
Just a few things I got while skimming through

1. Learn how to simcity (gateway above forge)
2. All your actions are just too slow. I see you waiting for your probe to walk all the way over to build a gateway or whatever. It takes up sooooo much time.
3. Also it seems like a lot of the time you're just looking for a spot to place a building. You need to spread your pylons out more.
4. Macro, macro, macro. All your actions took way too long to do. By that I mean it you forever to queue up units, to move your mouse over to click something, to box (select) your units, etc etc. If you did everything faster and instantly you would have more time to queue up units.
Sun Tzu once said, "Defiler becomes useless at the presences of a vessel."
Zapdos_Smithh
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
Canada2620 Posts
May 23 2009 03:54 GMT
#3
YOUR very own FPVOD! omg!
Sonu
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
Canada577 Posts
May 23 2009 03:58 GMT
#4
On May 23 2009 12:54 Resonance wrote:
YOUR very own FPVOD! omg!

yeah, its significant b.c my computer is pretty sht, and I was able to record it w.o too much trouble today.

so any advice?

btw ty for the first poster
"I really like this wall-in, because its not a fucking wall" - DAy[9]
auto.
Profile Joined February 2008
Canada35 Posts
May 23 2009 04:01 GMT
#5
One thing i noticed was your hand speed is very slow, you should probably try to crank up your windows sensitivity to max (if its not alraedy there) and just practice on improving mouse quickness
JJH
Profile Joined December 2008
Canada42 Posts
May 23 2009 04:04 GMT
#6
to build on what BanZu said, learning a build or two at this point would help. with even a general construct in your mind about your:

building placement (slow. if you had known good building placement, you could slap it down in less than a blink of an eye).
supply timings.. (you got supply blocked at least 3 times..)
unit production.
etc

things would drastically improve.

your actions need to be faster and more compressed.. be aware of ur units, same as what BanZu said, dont watch/wait for something like a probe to get to a destination to build something. do something in the meanwhile. Brood Wars is a Real Time Strategy game, and so, that means, that a person who can manage everything as close to simultaneously as possible would be better than the next person with lesser mechanics. disregarding gamesense (and maybe some other important things?) you would be advantageous in that right.

faster mouse speed.. definitely.. ( i dont mean sensitivity though)
da_head
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
Canada3350 Posts
May 23 2009 04:05 GMT
#7
On May 23 2009 13:01 auto. wrote:
One thing i noticed was your hand speed is very slow, you should probably try to crank up your windows sensitivity to max (if its not alraedy there) and just practice on improving mouse quickness

wrong! cranking up ur sensitivity is the LAST thing u should do. the general rule of thumb is when u move your cursor from one side of the screen to the other, the mouse should move 1.5 inches or something, which is a pretty low sensitivity. low sensitivity is a lot more precise and accurate.
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GHOSTCLAW
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
United States17042 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-05-23 04:31:01
May 23 2009 04:27 GMT
#8
@1:00 you have 100 mins, and your first pylon dosen't get down until 1:10 or so. as your build order is late, the problems compound.

why did you search your own base with your probe? it's not that important, you're scouting at 8, and you'll probably see the ovie anyway.

@2:14 - you lost your first scouting probe because you didn't keep it circling around his mineral line. Go ahead and use waypoints to keep your probe alive, and it will also help with your buildings.

@ 2:21 you've got like 471 mins, no forge, and no nex. You were lucky that you scouted him first, but you need to put the forge down at 10 so that you can defend against the 9 pool if they're far away. The right adaptation if you scout them first is (map dependent) canceling the forge, placing the nex, then the forge, then 2 cannons.

@2:57 simcity. needs work. With that placement lings can get inbetween every single building, which makes blocking with cannons hard.

@3:30 - 495 mins. That's a lot. You also get pylon blocked at 17 supply i'm pretty sure.

@4:20 ish you send out a scouting probe, and all I saw was the hydra den. 2 hat hydra? 3 hat hydra? did he expand? 4 hat hydra? Scouting is tough, but it's really important in pvz

@ 4:30 ish... you shift clicked the gas, which made it so that the probes didn't transfer.

@4:34 still @ 450 mins or something

@ 5:37 - you've got 1 gate, 2 more building, a cybernetics core, 32 supply in probes, 1 zeal building, and no stargate. You also have 3 cannons at your nat, no +1 spinning, and no cannons in your main. On the plus side, your probe production and saturation is pretty good.

@ 5:50 you're trying to place a gate for like 5 seconds. Just put it down. Spreading out your pylons will help you have plenty of places to put your gate.

@ 6:30 pylon blocked at 42 supply

@ 6:40 +1 started

@ 7:00 zeal speed started + temp archrives

@ 7:10 you have 4 zeals. And 0 cannons in your main. None covering any of your mineral lines. And you have no idea what the zerg opponent is doing.

@7:20 you see overlord wander over your base unchallenged. He now knows your tech (saw temp archives) and your gatecount (saw 3, w/ 1 building)

@8:30 you're supply blocked at 58 again, you have 1k min in the bank, you have 900 gas, and the ovie's still sitting over your main. You did manage to scare off the hydra though.

@9:00 Supply blocked at 66 or something. You need ht to deal with hydra blob (and +1 wep would help as well).

@9:51 you're still stuck at 66 supply, 1.6k min, 1k gas.

Basic problems: spread out your pylons. you'll have plenty of places to put your buildings.

Become faster. Just practice.

Get the build order down right. 8 pylon, 10 forge. Practice at least 1 cannon before nex, as it will allow you to deal with zerglings and other unscouted things. Read the zerg, respond to what theyr'e doing

macro. Like crazy. if you have that many mins, spend it on gates. if you have enough gates, you can fix any sort of macro problem, as gas -> ht, and mins -> lings


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Dgtl
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
Canada889 Posts
May 23 2009 05:54 GMT
#9
General tip, you send your probe out to build your pylon at 7 1/2 (when the seventh probe is half done) this way the pylon is on time. Your Nexus timing was late, you should send a probe to build it when you have 300 mins. Also, you get a pylon on 15 not 16, you gas should come when your gate is about half done that way your gas finishes when your second nexus does. You shoul've had zealots making once your gateway came up and also you should've had a core down sooner too. Also your not actually doing a build. Don't get supply blocked. Start a pylon when you are 6 or 8 food from being blocked!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Baisicly everything you do is late. Practice against a comp to speed yourself up and learn a few builds, that's what I suggest.
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