• Log InLog In
  • Register
Liquid`
Team Liquid Liquipedia
EDT 12:27
CEST 18:27
KST 01:27
  • Home
  • Forum
  • Calendar
  • Streams
  • Liquipedia
  • Features
  • Store
  • EPT
  • TL+
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Smash
  • Heroes
  • Counter-Strike
  • Overwatch
  • Liquibet
  • Fantasy StarCraft
  • TLPD
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Blogs
Forum Sidebar
Events/Features
News
Featured News
Code S Season 2 (2026): RO4 and Finals Preview5TL.net Map Contest #22 - Voting & Ladder Map Selection5Code S Season 2 (2026) - RO8 Preview5[ASL21] Finals Preview: Two Legacies21Code S Season 2 (2026) - RO12 Preview2
Community News
[BSL22] Non-Korean Championship from 13 to 28 June0Weekly Cups (May 25-31): Clem doubles, 2v2 circuit heads toward finale0StarCraft II 5.0.16 PTR Patch Notes may 26th151Weekly Cups (May 18-24): MaxPax wins doubles0Crank Gathers Season 4: BW vs SC2 Team League6
StarCraft 2
General
Code S Season 2 (2026): RO4 and Finals Preview What kind of tool would you be interested in? TL Poll: How do you feel about the 5.0.16 PTR balance changes? Oliveira Would Have Returned If EWC Continued TL.net Map Contest #22 - Voting & Ladder Map Selection
Tourneys
GSL Code S Season 2 (2026) Maestros of The Game 2 announcement and schedule ! Crank Gathers Season 4: BW vs SC2 Team League Sparkling Tuna Cup - Weekly Open Tournament RSL Revival: Season 5 - Qualifiers and Main Event
Strategy
[G] Having the right mentality to improve
Custom Maps
[D]RTS in all its shapes and glory <3
External Content
The PondCast: SC2 News & Results Mutation # 528 Infection Detected Welcome to the External Content forum Mutation # 527 Hell Train
Brood War
General
FlaSh's ASL S21 Finals Review BW animated web series: seeking contributors 25 Years Since Brood War Patch 1.08 FlaShFTW vs A.Alm Grudge Match Event The Korean Terminology Thread
Tourneys
[ASL21] Grand Finals [BSL22] Grand Finals - Sunday 21:00 CEST [Megathread] Daily Proleagues Escore Tournament StarCraft Season 2
Strategy
Any training maps people recommend? Why doesn't anyone use restoration? Muta micro map competition [G] Hydra ZvZ: An Introduction
Other Games
General Games
Stormgate/Frost Giant Megathread Nintendo Switch Thread Path of Exile Warcraft III: The Frozen Throne ZeroSpace Megathread
Dota 2
Looking for a Dota Mentor Official 'what is Dota anymore' discussion
League of Legends
Heroes of the Storm
Simple Questions, Simple Answers Heroes of the Storm 2.0
Hearthstone
Deck construction bug Heroes of StarCraft mini-set
TL Mafia
Vanilla Mini Mafia Mafia Game Mode Feedback/Ideas TL Mafia Community Thread Five o'clock TL Mafia
Community
General
US Politics Mega-thread Dating: How's your luck? Trading/Investing Thread Russo-Ukrainian War Thread How cold is too cold to be outdoors?
Fan Clubs
The herO Fan Club!
Media & Entertainment
Movie Discussion! [Manga] One Piece
Sports
Formula 1 Discussion 2024 - 2026 Football Thread McBoner: A hockey love story TeamLiquid Health and Fitness Initiative For 2023
World Cup 2022
Tech Support
Computer Build, Upgrade & Buying Resource Thread Facing Challenges in Mobile App Development
TL Community
The Automated Ban List
Blogs
I'm an arrogant trash talke…
FlaShFTW
Gauntlet SC2: A Retrospectiv…
Ctone23
Esportsmanship: How to NOT B…
TrAiDoS
Why RTS gamers make better f…
gosubay
ASL S21 English Commentary…
namkraft
StarCraft improvement
iopq
Customize Sidebar...

Website Feedback

Closed Threads



Active: 5866 users

MY very own FPVOD

Blogs > Sonu
Post a Reply
Sonu
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
Canada577 Posts
May 23 2009 03:21 GMT
#1
Alright I finally got some video.

I want to pinpoint why I keep collapsing during a game(basically macro failing). Then I lose



So I need your help. What can I improve?

btw if it looks like its lagging, its cuz it was lagging in game.

"I really like this wall-in, because its not a fucking wall" - DAy[9]
BanZu
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
United States3329 Posts
May 23 2009 03:32 GMT
#2
Just a few things I got while skimming through

1. Learn how to simcity (gateway above forge)
2. All your actions are just too slow. I see you waiting for your probe to walk all the way over to build a gateway or whatever. It takes up sooooo much time.
3. Also it seems like a lot of the time you're just looking for a spot to place a building. You need to spread your pylons out more.
4. Macro, macro, macro. All your actions took way too long to do. By that I mean it you forever to queue up units, to move your mouse over to click something, to box (select) your units, etc etc. If you did everything faster and instantly you would have more time to queue up units.
Sun Tzu once said, "Defiler becomes useless at the presences of a vessel."
Zapdos_Smithh
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
Canada2620 Posts
May 23 2009 03:54 GMT
#3
YOUR very own FPVOD! omg!
Sonu
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
Canada577 Posts
May 23 2009 03:58 GMT
#4
On May 23 2009 12:54 Resonance wrote:
YOUR very own FPVOD! omg!

yeah, its significant b.c my computer is pretty sht, and I was able to record it w.o too much trouble today.

so any advice?

btw ty for the first poster
"I really like this wall-in, because its not a fucking wall" - DAy[9]
auto.
Profile Joined February 2008
Canada35 Posts
May 23 2009 04:01 GMT
#5
One thing i noticed was your hand speed is very slow, you should probably try to crank up your windows sensitivity to max (if its not alraedy there) and just practice on improving mouse quickness
JJH
Profile Joined December 2008
Canada42 Posts
May 23 2009 04:04 GMT
#6
to build on what BanZu said, learning a build or two at this point would help. with even a general construct in your mind about your:

building placement (slow. if you had known good building placement, you could slap it down in less than a blink of an eye).
supply timings.. (you got supply blocked at least 3 times..)
unit production.
etc

things would drastically improve.

your actions need to be faster and more compressed.. be aware of ur units, same as what BanZu said, dont watch/wait for something like a probe to get to a destination to build something. do something in the meanwhile. Brood Wars is a Real Time Strategy game, and so, that means, that a person who can manage everything as close to simultaneously as possible would be better than the next person with lesser mechanics. disregarding gamesense (and maybe some other important things?) you would be advantageous in that right.

faster mouse speed.. definitely.. ( i dont mean sensitivity though)
da_head
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
Canada3350 Posts
May 23 2009 04:05 GMT
#7
On May 23 2009 13:01 auto. wrote:
One thing i noticed was your hand speed is very slow, you should probably try to crank up your windows sensitivity to max (if its not alraedy there) and just practice on improving mouse quickness

wrong! cranking up ur sensitivity is the LAST thing u should do. the general rule of thumb is when u move your cursor from one side of the screen to the other, the mouse should move 1.5 inches or something, which is a pretty low sensitivity. low sensitivity is a lot more precise and accurate.
When they see MC Probe, all the ladies disrobe.
GHOSTCLAW
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
United States17042 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-05-23 04:31:01
May 23 2009 04:27 GMT
#8
@1:00 you have 100 mins, and your first pylon dosen't get down until 1:10 or so. as your build order is late, the problems compound.

why did you search your own base with your probe? it's not that important, you're scouting at 8, and you'll probably see the ovie anyway.

@2:14 - you lost your first scouting probe because you didn't keep it circling around his mineral line. Go ahead and use waypoints to keep your probe alive, and it will also help with your buildings.

@ 2:21 you've got like 471 mins, no forge, and no nex. You were lucky that you scouted him first, but you need to put the forge down at 10 so that you can defend against the 9 pool if they're far away. The right adaptation if you scout them first is (map dependent) canceling the forge, placing the nex, then the forge, then 2 cannons.

@2:57 simcity. needs work. With that placement lings can get inbetween every single building, which makes blocking with cannons hard.

@3:30 - 495 mins. That's a lot. You also get pylon blocked at 17 supply i'm pretty sure.

@4:20 ish you send out a scouting probe, and all I saw was the hydra den. 2 hat hydra? 3 hat hydra? did he expand? 4 hat hydra? Scouting is tough, but it's really important in pvz

@ 4:30 ish... you shift clicked the gas, which made it so that the probes didn't transfer.

@4:34 still @ 450 mins or something

@ 5:37 - you've got 1 gate, 2 more building, a cybernetics core, 32 supply in probes, 1 zeal building, and no stargate. You also have 3 cannons at your nat, no +1 spinning, and no cannons in your main. On the plus side, your probe production and saturation is pretty good.

@ 5:50 you're trying to place a gate for like 5 seconds. Just put it down. Spreading out your pylons will help you have plenty of places to put your gate.

@ 6:30 pylon blocked at 42 supply

@ 6:40 +1 started

@ 7:00 zeal speed started + temp archrives

@ 7:10 you have 4 zeals. And 0 cannons in your main. None covering any of your mineral lines. And you have no idea what the zerg opponent is doing.

@7:20 you see overlord wander over your base unchallenged. He now knows your tech (saw temp archives) and your gatecount (saw 3, w/ 1 building)

@8:30 you're supply blocked at 58 again, you have 1k min in the bank, you have 900 gas, and the ovie's still sitting over your main. You did manage to scare off the hydra though.

@9:00 Supply blocked at 66 or something. You need ht to deal with hydra blob (and +1 wep would help as well).

@9:51 you're still stuck at 66 supply, 1.6k min, 1k gas.

Basic problems: spread out your pylons. you'll have plenty of places to put your buildings.

Become faster. Just practice.

Get the build order down right. 8 pylon, 10 forge. Practice at least 1 cannon before nex, as it will allow you to deal with zerglings and other unscouted things. Read the zerg, respond to what theyr'e doing

macro. Like crazy. if you have that many mins, spend it on gates. if you have enough gates, you can fix any sort of macro problem, as gas -> ht, and mins -> lings


PhotographerLiquipedia. Drop me a pm if you've got questions/need help.
Dgtl
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
Canada889 Posts
May 23 2009 05:54 GMT
#9
General tip, you send your probe out to build your pylon at 7 1/2 (when the seventh probe is half done) this way the pylon is on time. Your Nexus timing was late, you should send a probe to build it when you have 300 mins. Also, you get a pylon on 15 not 16, you gas should come when your gate is about half done that way your gas finishes when your second nexus does. You shoul've had zealots making once your gateway came up and also you should've had a core down sooner too. Also your not actually doing a build. Don't get supply blocked. Start a pylon when you are 6 or 8 food from being blocked!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Baisicly everything you do is late. Practice against a comp to speed yourself up and learn a few builds, that's what I suggest.
^______________^
Please log in or register to reply.
Live Events Refresh
uThermal 2v2 Circuit
15:00
Season Finals: Group Stage 1
Serral1292
uThermal1230
RotterdaM573
TaKeTV 341
mouzHeroMarine268
IndyStarCraft 163
SteadfastSC132
SHIN 32
Classic27
elazer18
SKillous15
Shameless9
LiquipediaDiscussion
[ Submit Event ]
Live Streams
Refresh
StarCraft 2
Serral 1292
uThermal 1230
RotterdaM 573
mouzHeroMarine 268
IndyStarCraft 163
SteadfastSC 132
Classic 27
elazer 18
SKillous 15
StarCraft: Brood War
Britney 30535
Calm 5923
Mini 993
EffOrt 954
Hyuk 223
ggaemo 127
hero 84
Hyun 82
PianO 78
Aegong 49
[ Show more ]
Last 48
Sea.KH 48
Free 36
Rock 31
Shine 22
GoRush 22
JYJ 22
IntoTheRainbow 14
EG.Machine 14
Dota 2
Gorgc9168
LuMiX1
League of Legends
Reynor58
Counter-Strike
fl0m6919
byalli963
Heroes of the Storm
Khaldor371
MindelVK10
Other Games
gofns13327
tarik_tv12606
singsing2431
FrodaN1427
B2W.Neo1099
Mlord438
KnowMe356
Livibee124
Hui .120
ArmadaUGS79
mouzStarbuck70
Mew2King49
SHIN 32
OptimusSC28
fpsfer 1
Organizations
Other Games
EGCTV896
StarCraft: Brood War
lovetv 12
StarCraft 2
Blizzard YouTube
StarCraft: Brood War
BSLTrovo
[ Show 15 non-featured ]
StarCraft 2
• maralekos12
• Reevou 6
• AfreecaTV YouTube
• intothetv
• Kozan
• IndyKCrew
• LaughNgamezSOOP
• Migwel
• sooper7s
StarCraft: Brood War
• BSLYoutube
• STPLYoutube
• ZZZeroYoutube
League of Legends
• Jankos2652
• Nemesis1679
Other Games
• WagamamaTV188
Upcoming Events
Patches Events
1h 33m
BSL
2h 33m
Bonyth vs Dewalt
OSC
7h 33m
Wardi Open
18h 33m
Monday Night Weeklies
23h 33m
Replay Cast
1d 7h
Sparkling Tuna Cup
1d 17h
Replay Cast
2 days
Kung Fu Cup
2 days
Maestros of the Game
2 days
Classic vs Lambo
Clem vs Maru
[ Show More ]
Replay Cast
3 days
The PondCast
3 days
Maestros of the Game
3 days
Serral vs Rogue
herO vs SHIN
Replay Cast
4 days
Maestros of the Game
4 days
Replay Cast
5 days
CranKy Ducklings
5 days
uThermal 2v2 Circuit
5 days
Sparkling Tuna Cup
6 days
uThermal 2v2 Circuit
6 days
Liquipedia Results

Completed

KK 2v2 League Season 1
RSL Revival: Season 5
Heroes Pulsing #1

Ongoing

BSL Season 22
IPSL Spring 2026
KCM Race Survival 2026 Season 2
Acropolis #4
CSCL: Masked Kings S4
YSL S3
SCTL 2026 Spring
WardiTV Spring 2026
Maestros of the Game 2
uThermal 2v2 2026 Main Event
Murky Cup 2026
IEM Cologne Major 2026
Stake Ranked Episode 2
CS Asia Championships 2026
Asian Champions League 2026
IEM Atlanta 2026
PGL Astana 2026
BLAST Rivals Spring 2026
IEM Rio 2026
PGL Bucharest 2026
Stake Ranked Episode 1
BLAST Open Spring 2026

Upcoming

BSL 22 Non-Korean Championship
CSLAN 4
Blizzard Classic Cup 2026
Kung Fu Cup 2026 Grand Finals
CranK Gathers Season 4: BW vs SC2 Team League
HSC XXIX
Heroes Pulsing #3
Heroes Pulsing #2
Esports World Cup 2026
BLAST Bounty Summer 2026
BLAST Bounty Summer Qual
Stake Ranked Episode 3
XSE Pro League 2026
TLPD

1. ByuN
2. TY
3. Dark
4. Solar
5. Stats
6. Nerchio
7. sOs
8. soO
9. INnoVation
10. Elazer
1. Rain
2. Flash
3. EffOrt
4. Last
5. Bisu
6. Soulkey
7. Mini
8. Sharp
Sidebar Settings...

Advertising | Privacy Policy | Terms Of Use | Contact Us

Original banner artwork: Jim Warren
The contents of this webpage are copyright © 2026 TLnet. All Rights Reserved.