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Jibba
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
United States22883 Posts
May 19 2009 21:49 GMT
#21
On May 20 2009 06:45 travis wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 20 2009 06:14 Aegraen wrote:
On May 20 2009 05:55 travis wrote:
On May 20 2009 05:39 Dazed_Spy wrote:
wtf are you a girl? who the hell loses weight by starving themselves? You want to lose weight, stop eating like a fatass, hit the gym and run.

Edit: And from the picture, your skinny, so why the fuck are you losing weight? Be healthy, hit the gym. Starving yourself is counterproductive to both losing weight and being healthy, to say the least. Learn from the failures of the opposite gender. Eating a leaf doesn't do shit. And yeah im exaggerating/be more hostile than I should be, but diets barring obesity piss me off.


studies show that people who eat less tend to live longer. they also get sick less.
eating less will also give you a clearer mind. it also is very beneficial for the digestive system.

also, by eating less, you are conditioning your body to use energy more efficiently and have less desire for food in the future.


all of this said, there definitely is a "happy medium" one should try to find.



This is incorrect. There is so much info that even I can't digest it all to explain to you in depth off the top of my head, needless to say, read every article that is on abcbodybuilding and you will be enlightened. I didn't know even 5% of the information presented. (The guy who runs the site has a PhD and works at Univ Champaigne IL)


way to quote my entire post, say "this incorrect" without specifying any of 7 statements, and not post any basis for it whatsoever.

and furthermore, why would "abcbodybuilding" be a good source of information on the points I am making? if the site is about bodybuilding, I doubt they are going to care much about the health benefits of a very low calorie diet.

I am in no way advocating a low calorie diet for body building. I was just posting various benefits of calorie restriction, which are true despite your claims otherwise.

What is low calorie? I'd guess for most men, <1700 is too low.
ModeratorNow I'm distant, dark in this anthrobeat
Deleted User 3420
Profile Blog Joined May 2003
24492 Posts
May 19 2009 21:57 GMT
#22
Well, there are too many factors for that to be strictly defined I think. Height, weight, activity, even brain activity are all important regarding how many calories you need.

So that is a complicated question that I can't really answer.
Jibba
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
United States22883 Posts
May 19 2009 21:58 GMT
#23
On May 20 2009 06:57 travis wrote:
Well, there are too many factors for that to be strictly defined I think. Height, weight, activity, even brain activity are all important regarding how many calories you need.

So that is a complicated question that I can't really answer.

True, but I think <1700 is only adequate for a really small guy.
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Deleted User 3420
Profile Blog Joined May 2003
24492 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-05-19 22:22:29
May 19 2009 22:10 GMT
#24
Well, I think I would be ok on a 1700 calorie vegetarian diet if I wasn't working hard physically. But if I did work hard physically, I would probably be so hungry I want to die.

Currently I eat about 2000-2200 calories a day, but I do work out a lot. My body fat is low, and my muscles aren't big, but I do have a lot of energy and am in good physical shape. I am 6'1 158lbs atm.

With little to no physical excersize I have no doubts I could live on <1200 calories(originally I put <1000 calories here, but actually I am not sure about that). Do I want to? No, not really lol. But this is how monks live and they are plenty healthy(though certainly would run out of energy if put to a physical test).

And I would never recommend anyone greatly restrict their calorie intake like that, without easing into it very slowly. There certainly are risks involved.



After doing more research it seems that various sources disagree with me, and that I wouldn't be able to live on 1200 calories a day. More like 1500. Though, that doesn't mean they are right.

But there are so many factors to this sort of thing.
jtan
Profile Blog Joined April 2003
Sweden5891 Posts
May 19 2009 22:23 GMT
#25
On May 20 2009 04:49 VIB wrote:
Hmm.. thanks to wolframalpha know I actually know what 140 pounds really is :D

Same here It also tells you that is 0.91*average human weight.

If you are too heavy it starts comparing you to a "typical dairy cow" or a "small car"
Enter a Uh
Aegraen
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
United States1225 Posts
May 20 2009 00:30 GMT
#26
On May 20 2009 06:45 travis wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 20 2009 06:14 Aegraen wrote:
On May 20 2009 05:55 travis wrote:
On May 20 2009 05:39 Dazed_Spy wrote:
wtf are you a girl? who the hell loses weight by starving themselves? You want to lose weight, stop eating like a fatass, hit the gym and run.

Edit: And from the picture, your skinny, so why the fuck are you losing weight? Be healthy, hit the gym. Starving yourself is counterproductive to both losing weight and being healthy, to say the least. Learn from the failures of the opposite gender. Eating a leaf doesn't do shit. And yeah im exaggerating/be more hostile than I should be, but diets barring obesity piss me off.


studies show that people who eat less tend to live longer. they also get sick less.
eating less will also give you a clearer mind. it also is very beneficial for the digestive system.

also, by eating less, you are conditioning your body to use energy more efficiently and have less desire for food in the future.


all of this said, there definitely is a "happy medium" one should try to find.



This is incorrect. There is so much info that even I can't digest it all to explain to you in depth off the top of my head, needless to say, read every article that is on abcbodybuilding and you will be enlightened. I didn't know even 5% of the information presented. (The guy who runs the site has a PhD and works at Univ Champaigne IL)


way to quote my entire post, say "this incorrect" without specifying any of 7 statements, and not post any basis for it whatsoever.

and furthermore, why would "abcbodybuilding" be a good source of information on the points I am making? if the site is about bodybuilding, I doubt they are going to care much about the health benefits of a very low calorie diet.

I am in no way advocating a low calorie diet for body building. I was just posting various benefits of calorie restriction, which are true despite your claims otherwise.


Look, I cited the sources; it is up to you to read. I'm not going to write 8000 characters to refute everything you said when it has all ready been written and refuted.

It's a good source of information, because it gives tips on not only growth, but weight loss, cutting, dieting, general health knowledge, BCAA's, effects on human body by nutrition, supplements, vitamins, effects of vitamins, it is the most indepth knowledge base you will find about various subjects of and relating to general dieting, nutrition, health, muscle mass, cutting/definition, scientific insight, etc. He writes his (usually upwards of 10+ pages and VERY scientific) in essay formats citing everything.

They go into depth about the process of maintenance caloric intake (3 formula's), HIIT, VO2 MAX / 65% optimal, etc.

In general, a 1200 calorie diet, inhibits bodily functions. Anyway shape or form, a 1200 calorie diet is unhealthy, he goes into great detail explaining why, and how your body reacts to such low calorie diets (specifically when cutting) and how to go about slow progressive diet change (never ever switch fast, or else you will gain excess fat as your body cannot respond quickly). He goes into fat loss (insulin sensitivity and resistence, N3s and N6s, optimal ratio's, etc.).

Anyways, do the reading, I highly recommend it.
"It is easy to be conspicuously 'compassionate' if others are being forced to pay the cost." -- Murray N. Rothbard -- Rand Paul 2010 -- Ron Paul 2012
Deleted User 3420
Profile Blog Joined May 2003
24492 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-05-20 00:45:30
May 20 2009 00:43 GMT
#27
On May 20 2009 09:30 Aegraen wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 20 2009 06:45 travis wrote:
On May 20 2009 06:14 Aegraen wrote:
On May 20 2009 05:55 travis wrote:
On May 20 2009 05:39 Dazed_Spy wrote:
wtf are you a girl? who the hell loses weight by starving themselves? You want to lose weight, stop eating like a fatass, hit the gym and run.

Edit: And from the picture, your skinny, so why the fuck are you losing weight? Be healthy, hit the gym. Starving yourself is counterproductive to both losing weight and being healthy, to say the least. Learn from the failures of the opposite gender. Eating a leaf doesn't do shit. And yeah im exaggerating/be more hostile than I should be, but diets barring obesity piss me off.


studies show that people who eat less tend to live longer. they also get sick less.
eating less will also give you a clearer mind. it also is very beneficial for the digestive system.

also, by eating less, you are conditioning your body to use energy more efficiently and have less desire for food in the future.


all of this said, there definitely is a "happy medium" one should try to find.



This is incorrect. There is so much info that even I can't digest it all to explain to you in depth off the top of my head, needless to say, read every article that is on abcbodybuilding and you will be enlightened. I didn't know even 5% of the information presented. (The guy who runs the site has a PhD and works at Univ Champaigne IL)


way to quote my entire post, say "this incorrect" without specifying any of 7 statements, and not post any basis for it whatsoever.

and furthermore, why would "abcbodybuilding" be a good source of information on the points I am making? if the site is about bodybuilding, I doubt they are going to care much about the health benefits of a very low calorie diet.

I am in no way advocating a low calorie diet for body building. I was just posting various benefits of calorie restriction, which are true despite your claims otherwise.


Look, I cited the sources; it is up to you to read. I'm not going to write 8000 characters to refute everything you said when it has all ready been written and refuted.



"read every article that is on abcbodybuilding"
that's supposed to be citing sources? I don't even care about citing sources anyways. You could have just summed up what you had read and that would be good enough for me. But as it stands now i am supposed to go there and just started looking through articles, hoping to find what you are talking about?


It's a good source of information, because it gives tips on not only growth, but weight loss, cutting, dieting, general health knowledge, BCAA's, effects on human body by nutrition, supplements, vitamins, effects of vitamins, it is the most indepth knowledge base you will find about various subjects of and relating to general dieting, nutrition, health, muscle mass, cutting/definition, scientific insight, etc. He writes his (usually upwards of 10+ pages and VERY scientific) in essay formats citing everything.

They go into depth about the process of maintenance caloric intake (3 formula's), HIIT, VO2 MAX / 65% optimal, etc.

In general, a 1200 calorie diet, inhibits bodily functions. Anyway shape or form, a 1200 calorie diet is unhealthy, he goes into great detail explaining why, and how your body reacts to such low calorie diets (specifically when cutting) and how to go about slow progressive diet change (never ever switch fast, or else you will gain excess fat as your body cannot respond quickly). He goes into fat loss (insulin sensitivity and resistence, N3s and N6s, optimal ratio's, etc.).

Anyways, do the reading, I highly recommend it.


well it does sound interesting so I will definitely check it out. But by "eating less" I never meant anything remotely near that low. More like, 2000calorie diet + more depending on workload.

But anyways thanks for the link I will have some more reading material for the future
Aegraen
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
United States1225 Posts
May 20 2009 00:47 GMT
#28
On May 20 2009 09:43 travis wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 20 2009 09:30 Aegraen wrote:
On May 20 2009 06:45 travis wrote:
On May 20 2009 06:14 Aegraen wrote:
On May 20 2009 05:55 travis wrote:
On May 20 2009 05:39 Dazed_Spy wrote:
wtf are you a girl? who the hell loses weight by starving themselves? You want to lose weight, stop eating like a fatass, hit the gym and run.

Edit: And from the picture, your skinny, so why the fuck are you losing weight? Be healthy, hit the gym. Starving yourself is counterproductive to both losing weight and being healthy, to say the least. Learn from the failures of the opposite gender. Eating a leaf doesn't do shit. And yeah im exaggerating/be more hostile than I should be, but diets barring obesity piss me off.


studies show that people who eat less tend to live longer. they also get sick less.
eating less will also give you a clearer mind. it also is very beneficial for the digestive system.

also, by eating less, you are conditioning your body to use energy more efficiently and have less desire for food in the future.


all of this said, there definitely is a "happy medium" one should try to find.



This is incorrect. There is so much info that even I can't digest it all to explain to you in depth off the top of my head, needless to say, read every article that is on abcbodybuilding and you will be enlightened. I didn't know even 5% of the information presented. (The guy who runs the site has a PhD and works at Univ Champaigne IL)


way to quote my entire post, say "this incorrect" without specifying any of 7 statements, and not post any basis for it whatsoever.

and furthermore, why would "abcbodybuilding" be a good source of information on the points I am making? if the site is about bodybuilding, I doubt they are going to care much about the health benefits of a very low calorie diet.

I am in no way advocating a low calorie diet for body building. I was just posting various benefits of calorie restriction, which are true despite your claims otherwise.


Look, I cited the sources; it is up to you to read. I'm not going to write 8000 characters to refute everything you said when it has all ready been written and refuted.



"read every article that is on abcbodybuilding"
that's supposed to be citing sources? I don't even care about citing sources anyways. You could have just summed up what you had read and that would be good enough for me. But as it stands now i am supposed to go there and just started looking through articles, hoping to find what you are talking about?

Show nested quote +

It's a good source of information, because it gives tips on not only growth, but weight loss, cutting, dieting, general health knowledge, BCAA's, effects on human body by nutrition, supplements, vitamins, effects of vitamins, it is the most indepth knowledge base you will find about various subjects of and relating to general dieting, nutrition, health, muscle mass, cutting/definition, scientific insight, etc. He writes his (usually upwards of 10+ pages and VERY scientific) in essay formats citing everything.

They go into depth about the process of maintenance caloric intake (3 formula's), HIIT, VO2 MAX / 65% optimal, etc.

In general, a 1200 calorie diet, inhibits bodily functions. Anyway shape or form, a 1200 calorie diet is unhealthy, he goes into great detail explaining why, and how your body reacts to such low calorie diets (specifically when cutting) and how to go about slow progressive diet change (never ever switch fast, or else you will gain excess fat as your body cannot respond quickly). He goes into fat loss (insulin sensitivity and resistence, N3s and N6s, optimal ratio's, etc.).

Anyways, do the reading, I highly recommend it.


well it does sound interesting so I will definitely check it out. But by "eating less" I never meant anything remotely near that low. More like, 2000calorie diet + more depending on workload.

But anyways thanks for the link I will have some more reading material for the future


Let me know what you think. Warning, it is highly scientific. Also, it doesn't matter as much the actual calories, moreso it matters the types of calories you are ingesting, whether it is simple carbs, complex slow burning carbs, proteins, poly and mono unsaturated fats, etc.
"It is easy to be conspicuously 'compassionate' if others are being forced to pay the cost." -- Murray N. Rothbard -- Rand Paul 2010 -- Ron Paul 2012
HeadBangaa
Profile Blog Joined July 2004
United States6512 Posts
May 20 2009 00:56 GMT
#29
I can't wait till I finish P90X (about 3 weeks in now). I will make a blog with before/after pics.

I'm working out about 1 to 1.5 hours a day and eating 6 meals (I don't know where I'm putting it!).
People who fail to distinguish Socratic Method from malicious trolling are sadly stupid and not worth a response.
Deleted User 3420
Profile Blog Joined May 2003
24492 Posts
May 20 2009 01:06 GMT
#30
On May 20 2009 09:56 HeadBangaa wrote:
I can't wait till I finish P90X (about 3 weeks in now). I will make a blog with before/after pics.

I'm working out about 1 to 1.5 hours a day and eating 6 meals (I don't know where I'm putting it!).


lol my friend had p90x. i burned copies of the stretch routine, yoga routine, kenpo cardio routine, and one of the ab routines. i like the videos they are pretty beastly.
HeadBangaa
Profile Blog Joined July 2004
United States6512 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-05-20 01:21:04
May 20 2009 01:20 GMT
#31
The Plyometric routine (tonight's workout) is the hardest workout I've ever done. I actually thought I was going to die the first time I did it.

"Yoga X" is also ridiculously hard.

Kenpo is my favorite!

Tony Horton is basically Michael Scott from The Office.
People who fail to distinguish Socratic Method from malicious trolling are sadly stupid and not worth a response.
Deleted User 3420
Profile Blog Joined May 2003
24492 Posts
May 20 2009 01:26 GMT
#32
yeah I agree the yoga X is tough. and the plyometric workout did look like the hardest one to me.
Aegraen
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
United States1225 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-05-20 01:48:42
May 20 2009 01:42 GMT
#33
On May 20 2009 10:20 HeadBangaa wrote:
The Plyometric routine (tonight's workout) is the hardest workout I've ever done. I actually thought I was going to die the first time I did it.

"Yoga X" is also ridiculously hard.

Kenpo is my favorite!

Tony Horton is basically Michael Scott from The Office.


Let's see what you look like. I may do a before after also.

From month 1 to month 5. 4 months should give me a good progression. I'd say I'll put on at least 20 lbs and drop 2-3% BF.

Then we can compare results (PS: I'm going clean bulk build. I am using Creatine, BCAA supps, MultiVits, Non soy Whey, ZMA, and Chromium supps so keep that in mind.)

I'm eating a good 5,000 calories a day, about 2G/LB protein and rest complex carbs with no fructose (means no fruits, etc.) and only simple carbs (Dextrin 50 / MaltoDextrin 50) PWO to jump start anabolic reactions and allow for quicker entry of protein etc.

PS: If you can try and get some good magnesium supps, latest scientific studies have linked increased magnesium intake to greater insulin sensitivity (Which is the most important part of muscle building, definition, cutting)
"It is easy to be conspicuously 'compassionate' if others are being forced to pay the cost." -- Murray N. Rothbard -- Rand Paul 2010 -- Ron Paul 2012
HeadBangaa
Profile Blog Joined July 2004
United States6512 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-05-20 01:59:59
May 20 2009 01:59 GMT
#34
On May 20 2009 10:42 Aegraen wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 20 2009 10:20 HeadBangaa wrote:
The Plyometric routine (tonight's workout) is the hardest workout I've ever done. I actually thought I was going to die the first time I did it.

"Yoga X" is also ridiculously hard.

Kenpo is my favorite!

Tony Horton is basically Michael Scott from The Office.


Let's see what you look like. I may do a before after also.

From month 1 to month 5. 4 months should give me a good progression. I'd say I'll put on at least 20 lbs and drop 2-3% BF.

Then we can compare results (PS: I'm going clean bulk build. I am using Creatine, BCAA supps, MultiVits, Non soy Whey, ZMA, and Chromium supps so keep that in mind.)

I'm eating a good 5,000 calories a day, about 2G/LB protein and rest complex carbs with no fructose (means no fruits, etc.) and only simple carbs (Dextrin 50 / MaltoDextrin 50) PWO to jump start anabolic reactions and allow for quicker entry of protein etc.

PS: If you can try and get some good magnesium supps, latest scientific studies have linked increased magnesium intake to greater insulin sensitivity (Which is the most important part of muscle building, definition, cutting)

I am doing this program with a buddy; it's a great motivator.

I haven't been counting my calories (bad, I know). I'm using a 4-to-1 carb/whey-protein recovery drink, and a casein protein powder drink before bed. After this program I plan on bulking at the gym (P90X is cardio/strength) and possibly beginning creatine cycle (I'm on the fence about this; gonna see how I feel at the time).

Here is me at Day Zero (about 2.5 weeks ago).
+ Show Spoiler +
[image loading]


Yeah I'm going to have to check out that abc website; I'm not savvy about supplementation and I guess that's especially important with these intense programs.
People who fail to distinguish Socratic Method from malicious trolling are sadly stupid and not worth a response.
Aegraen
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
United States1225 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-05-20 02:17:21
May 20 2009 02:16 GMT
#35
On May 20 2009 10:59 HeadBangaa wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 20 2009 10:42 Aegraen wrote:
On May 20 2009 10:20 HeadBangaa wrote:
The Plyometric routine (tonight's workout) is the hardest workout I've ever done. I actually thought I was going to die the first time I did it.

"Yoga X" is also ridiculously hard.

Kenpo is my favorite!

Tony Horton is basically Michael Scott from The Office.


Let's see what you look like. I may do a before after also.

From month 1 to month 5. 4 months should give me a good progression. I'd say I'll put on at least 20 lbs and drop 2-3% BF.

Then we can compare results (PS: I'm going clean bulk build. I am using Creatine, BCAA supps, MultiVits, Non soy Whey, ZMA, and Chromium supps so keep that in mind.)

I'm eating a good 5,000 calories a day, about 2G/LB protein and rest complex carbs with no fructose (means no fruits, etc.) and only simple carbs (Dextrin 50 / MaltoDextrin 50) PWO to jump start anabolic reactions and allow for quicker entry of protein etc.

PS: If you can try and get some good magnesium supps, latest scientific studies have linked increased magnesium intake to greater insulin sensitivity (Which is the most important part of muscle building, definition, cutting)

I am doing this program with a buddy; it's a great motivator.

I haven't been counting my calories (bad, I know). I'm using a 4-to-1 carb/whey-protein recovery drink, and a casein protein powder drink before bed. After this program I plan on bulking at the gym (P90X is cardio/strength) and possibly beginning creatine cycle (I'm on the fence about this; gonna see how I feel at the time).

Here is me at Day Zero (about 2.5 weeks ago).
+ Show Spoiler +
[image loading]


Yeah I'm going to have to check out that abc website; I'm not savvy about supplementation and I guess that's especially important with these intense programs.


Not bad. I guess it's all that 81st training eh

I'll have to take a latest pic, but you have a good start. You could go on a cut and look pretty ripped, but I would bulk first, then cut. Once you reach plateau, bulk again, then cut, ad infinitum (It's the old one step back two steps forward routine).

Also, instead of the caseine drink, you could go for cottage cheese. Since you are sleeping the cottage cheese is very high in casein and digests very slowly. Most BB take it at night for that fact. Up to you however.
"It is easy to be conspicuously 'compassionate' if others are being forced to pay the cost." -- Murray N. Rothbard -- Rand Paul 2010 -- Ron Paul 2012
clazziquai
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
6685 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-05-20 02:20:38
May 20 2009 02:19 GMT
#36
On May 20 2009 05:39 Dazed_Spy wrote:
wtf are you a girl? who the hell loses weight by starving themselves? You want to lose weight, stop eating like a fatass, hit the gym and run.

Edit: And from the picture, your skinny, so why the fuck are you losing weight? Be healthy, hit the gym. Starving yourself is counterproductive to both losing weight and being healthy, to say the least. Learn from the failures of the opposite gender. Eating a leaf doesn't do shit. And yeah im exaggerating/be more hostile than I should be, but diets barring obesity piss me off.


lol wait, what? I never said I starved myself...I just said I'll eat less. It's completely different things. I still eat healthy and make sure I never stay hungry...o_O

On May 20 2009 06:26 AoN.DimSum wrote:
clazzi what gym did u go to? werblin? We should of lifted together :D


Hey, yeah I went to Werblin But I was at the treadmills all the time. I didn't lift.

On May 20 2009 06:47 Jibba wrote:
What's your actual caloric intake like? Temporary diets (starving) are not the proper way to lose weight and are generally unhealthy.


My caloric intake is anywhere from 1200-1500 calories.
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HeadBangaa
Profile Blog Joined July 2004
United States6512 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-05-20 02:33:58
May 20 2009 02:33 GMT
#37
On May 20 2009 11:16 Aegraen wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 20 2009 10:59 HeadBangaa wrote:
On May 20 2009 10:42 Aegraen wrote:
On May 20 2009 10:20 HeadBangaa wrote:
The Plyometric routine (tonight's workout) is the hardest workout I've ever done. I actually thought I was going to die the first time I did it.

"Yoga X" is also ridiculously hard.

Kenpo is my favorite!

Tony Horton is basically Michael Scott from The Office.


Let's see what you look like. I may do a before after also.

From month 1 to month 5. 4 months should give me a good progression. I'd say I'll put on at least 20 lbs and drop 2-3% BF.

Then we can compare results (PS: I'm going clean bulk build. I am using Creatine, BCAA supps, MultiVits, Non soy Whey, ZMA, and Chromium supps so keep that in mind.)

I'm eating a good 5,000 calories a day, about 2G/LB protein and rest complex carbs with no fructose (means no fruits, etc.) and only simple carbs (Dextrin 50 / MaltoDextrin 50) PWO to jump start anabolic reactions and allow for quicker entry of protein etc.

PS: If you can try and get some good magnesium supps, latest scientific studies have linked increased magnesium intake to greater insulin sensitivity (Which is the most important part of muscle building, definition, cutting)

I am doing this program with a buddy; it's a great motivator.

I haven't been counting my calories (bad, I know). I'm using a 4-to-1 carb/whey-protein recovery drink, and a casein protein powder drink before bed. After this program I plan on bulking at the gym (P90X is cardio/strength) and possibly beginning creatine cycle (I'm on the fence about this; gonna see how I feel at the time).

Here is me at Day Zero (about 2.5 weeks ago).
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Yeah I'm going to have to check out that abc website; I'm not savvy about supplementation and I guess that's especially important with these intense programs.


Not bad. I guess it's all that 81st training eh

I'll have to take a latest pic, but you have a good start. You could go on a cut and look pretty ripped, but I would bulk first, then cut. Once you reach plateau, bulk again, then cut, ad infinitum (It's the old one step back two steps forward routine).

Also, instead of the caseine drink, you could go for cottage cheese. Since you are sleeping the cottage cheese is very high in casein and digests very slowly. Most BB take it at night for that fact. Up to you however.

I don't get the 81st reference...

I agree, bulk first is what I should do, but I only started this program because of my friend's schedule, who doesn't plan on bulking at all. On the other hand, getting chiseled for the summer can't be too bad!

When I make my blog (OP, forgive the minor hijack!) you should definitely put up your pics, too. I'll see if I can get {88}iNcontroL to show his ; he's a beast. It's great to see the gains.

edit: good call on cottage cheese
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Profile Blog Joined May 2009
United States1225 Posts
May 20 2009 02:46 GMT
#38
On May 20 2009 11:33 HeadBangaa wrote:
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On May 20 2009 11:16 Aegraen wrote:
On May 20 2009 10:59 HeadBangaa wrote:
On May 20 2009 10:42 Aegraen wrote:
On May 20 2009 10:20 HeadBangaa wrote:
The Plyometric routine (tonight's workout) is the hardest workout I've ever done. I actually thought I was going to die the first time I did it.

"Yoga X" is also ridiculously hard.

Kenpo is my favorite!

Tony Horton is basically Michael Scott from The Office.


Let's see what you look like. I may do a before after also.

From month 1 to month 5. 4 months should give me a good progression. I'd say I'll put on at least 20 lbs and drop 2-3% BF.

Then we can compare results (PS: I'm going clean bulk build. I am using Creatine, BCAA supps, MultiVits, Non soy Whey, ZMA, and Chromium supps so keep that in mind.)

I'm eating a good 5,000 calories a day, about 2G/LB protein and rest complex carbs with no fructose (means no fruits, etc.) and only simple carbs (Dextrin 50 / MaltoDextrin 50) PWO to jump start anabolic reactions and allow for quicker entry of protein etc.

PS: If you can try and get some good magnesium supps, latest scientific studies have linked increased magnesium intake to greater insulin sensitivity (Which is the most important part of muscle building, definition, cutting)

I am doing this program with a buddy; it's a great motivator.

I haven't been counting my calories (bad, I know). I'm using a 4-to-1 carb/whey-protein recovery drink, and a casein protein powder drink before bed. After this program I plan on bulking at the gym (P90X is cardio/strength) and possibly beginning creatine cycle (I'm on the fence about this; gonna see how I feel at the time).

Here is me at Day Zero (about 2.5 weeks ago).
+ Show Spoiler +
[image loading]


Yeah I'm going to have to check out that abc website; I'm not savvy about supplementation and I guess that's especially important with these intense programs.


Not bad. I guess it's all that 81st training eh

I'll have to take a latest pic, but you have a good start. You could go on a cut and look pretty ripped, but I would bulk first, then cut. Once you reach plateau, bulk again, then cut, ad infinitum (It's the old one step back two steps forward routine).

Also, instead of the caseine drink, you could go for cottage cheese. Since you are sleeping the cottage cheese is very high in casein and digests very slowly. Most BB take it at night for that fact. Up to you however.

I don't get the 81st reference...

I agree, bulk first is what I should do, but I only started this program because of my friend's schedule, who doesn't plan on bulking at all. On the other hand, getting chiseled for the summer can't be too bad!

When I make my blog (OP, forgive the minor hijack!) you should definitely put up your pics, too. I'll see if I can get {88}iNcontroL to show his ; he's a beast. It's great to see the gains.

edit: good call on cottage cheese


My bad got you confused with someone else.

A 3 way! I'll win (Always good for the motivation, though beach babes usually motivates me pretty well)
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Jibba
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
United States22883 Posts
May 20 2009 17:26 GMT
#39
On May 20 2009 11:19 clazziquai wrote:

My caloric intake is anywhere from 1200-1500 calories.

Too low. Any weight loss is going to be temporary at that level. You need an adequate amount of calories (depends on the person, but 2k is a decent average) so that your body won't starve (actually starve, not the feeling of starvation.) The basic principle behind losing weight is a caloric deficit (burn more than you intake) and you need to reach that deficit through exercise while eating a decent amount of calories.

The types of foods you eat is also important, but the basic idea here is that you need to get more calories, choose healthier foods and lose the weight through exercise, not through starvation. There's plenty of guides out there for getting in shape that include workout routines and eating guidelines, like P90X or Burn the Fat, Feed the Muscle.

www.exrx.net is also a great site for workout stuff, once you kind of already know what your routine should be like and just need exercise ideas.
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Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Sweden2826 Posts
May 20 2009 17:50 GMT
#40
On May 20 2009 04:52 clazziquai wrote:
@VIB: A huge reason why I started losing weight was because I started running every day. Once I stopped running (due to studying), I...ate more. >.> I regret it, but yeah


Good luck on your weight loss.

Some good advice is to cut down on carbs; rice, pasta etc and eat more protein and veggies.

Also don't run every day, run every second day and do some weight lifting/body excercises the days in between.
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