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Racenilatr
Profile Blog Joined August 2008
United States2756 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-04-19 17:06:12
April 19 2009 17:05 GMT
#1
Finally a game that I walled in properly on. For some reason, I haven't been doing too well with starcraft lately.

I've been getting over confident often and not focusing on the game, mostly wandering away and playing extremely passively without thinking about much. Here's what I've come up with to get me better.

1. Stop worrying about how much I spam and spam as much
2. Think about how to improve during the game. Have a strategy in my head and a game plan for the day and try to carry it out, adapting as it needs fit.
3. Pwn koreans



Anyways this game I played was an interesting PvZ on Destination. It shows a correct wall-in haha. Looking at my buildling placement, I need to watch some mroe progame vods so I can think of a better way to organize my base. My gateways are all in one place and my tech buildings and pylons are sort of scattered all over the place. The gateway placement though I think has been slowing down my macro because it has been a bit difficult to keep track of which gateway I clicked on.

One mistake I saw was that I barely realized he would be going lurkers until it was almost too late. A while after I saw the second evo chamber and no spire, I thought to myself, wait he could be going lurkers! I also need to work on doing some more aggressive harassment with the shuttle.

Overall I felt that I had complete control throughout the game and I could focus more on harassment and better macro. From focusing on it, I need to work on
- Better gateway placement and macro cycle effeciency
- More Agressive Harassment via Multitasking
- Play the game Actively instead of passively

I think I felt in control of the game and could think about other stuff was because I finally learned the build order properly or I was just that much better than this choboling. Either way, I think this is the level of starcraft I need to be playing at consistently before improving. Mechanics are so hard to perfect





If you guys could give me some advice on what I could do better, that would be greatly appreciated improving my mechanics. I want progamer esq mechanics!


*
crabsman
Profile Joined April 2009
United States13 Posts
April 19 2009 17:20 GMT
#2
Alright I didn't need to watch them I just looked at the top right hand corner and saw your problem. Your problem is marco and until you solve that it will be hard to really concentrate on other things.
FakeSteve[TPR]
Profile Blog Joined July 2003
Valhalla18444 Posts
April 19 2009 17:26 GMT
#3
FCK VWLS
Moderatormy tatsu loops r fuckin nice
arb
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
Noobville17921 Posts
April 19 2009 17:52 GMT
#4
After you fix your mechanics mostly your macro and not gettnig stuck on supply(seriously) whent hat happens make like 6-7 pylons so it wont happen again.

work on your music.
Artillery spawned from the forges of Hell
OnceKing
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United States939 Posts
April 19 2009 18:25 GMT
#5
On April 20 2009 02:26 FakeSteve[TPR] wrote:
FCK VWLS


U OOA
"Every man has his follies - and often they are the most interesting thing he has got."
HiOT
Profile Blog Joined September 2008
Sweden1000 Posts
April 19 2009 19:34 GMT
#6
How can you play with that music :O i need harstyle to even get flow in my game! di.fm owns!
Officially the founder of Team Property (:
Zozma
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
United States1626 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-04-19 19:38:33
April 19 2009 19:37 GMT
#7
On April 20 2009 02:20 crabsman wrote:
Alright I didn't need to watch them I just looked at the top right hand corner and saw your problem. Your problem is marco and until you solve that it will be hard to really concentrate on other things.


POLO!


Seriously... don't even say things like "I didn't watch but here's your problem". It just makes you sound like an idiot.
404.Nintu
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
Canada1723 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-04-19 20:37:52
April 19 2009 20:34 GMT
#8
On April 20 2009 04:37 Zozma wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 20 2009 02:20 crabsman wrote:
Alright I didn't need to watch them I just looked at the top right hand corner and saw your problem. Your problem is marco and until you solve that it will be hard to really concentrate on other things.


POLO!


Seriously... don't even say things like "I didn't watch but here's your problem". It just makes you sound like an idiot.

He's right. Improving macro would be one of the biggest improvements he could make. A little bit more smooth on teching aswell. It seems he's not focused on teching, but instead he techs when he has time. All in all, techs are warping in and finishing a bit later than they should, imo.

I think you simple need to think more when you play. If you're going to expand, it should be in the forefront of your mind. Whenever you do anything in SC, it should be your main focus. If you're going to expand, do it as soon as physically possible. If you're going to tech, do it as fast as possible. It seems like you're going through the "routine" instead of adapting to what you see, and instead of optimizing your play.

imo..
edit: I just skimmed the vods. you also seem to be very passive. Like incredibly passive.

"So, then did the American yum-yum clown monkey also represent the FCC?"
Frits
Profile Joined March 2003
11782 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-04-19 20:51:44
April 19 2009 20:47 GMT
#9
On April 20 2009 04:37 Zozma wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 20 2009 02:20 crabsman wrote:
Alright I didn't need to watch them I just looked at the top right hand corner and saw your problem. Your problem is marco and until you solve that it will be hard to really concentrate on other things.


POLO!


Seriously... don't even say things like "I didn't watch but here's your problem". It just makes you sound like an idiot.


Yeah because there exists a context in which having 2.4k minerals while only having 100/200 psi is good macro.

Have you even watched the video yourself? The music makes you feel like you suddenly walked into a gaybar or something.
Elemenope
Profile Blog Joined March 2006
Burkina Faso1704 Posts
April 19 2009 21:05 GMT
#10
On April 20 2009 05:47 Frits wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 20 2009 04:37 Zozma wrote:
On April 20 2009 02:20 crabsman wrote:
Alright I didn't need to watch them I just looked at the top right hand corner and saw your problem. Your problem is marco and until you solve that it will be hard to really concentrate on other things.


POLO!


Seriously... don't even say things like "I didn't watch but here's your problem". It just makes you sound like an idiot.


Yeah because there exists a context in which having 2.4k minerals while only having 100/200 psi is good macro.

Have you even watched the video yourself? The music makes you feel like you suddenly walked into a gaybar or something.




Maybe he was playing in a gay bar?
In DotA you could
Racenilatr
Profile Blog Joined August 2008
United States2756 Posts
April 19 2009 21:13 GMT
#11
On April 20 2009 05:34 404.Nintu wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 20 2009 04:37 Zozma wrote:
On April 20 2009 02:20 crabsman wrote:
Alright I didn't need to watch them I just looked at the top right hand corner and saw your problem. Your problem is marco and until you solve that it will be hard to really concentrate on other things.


POLO!


Seriously... don't even say things like "I didn't watch but here's your problem". It just makes you sound like an idiot.

He's right. Improving macro would be one of the biggest improvements he could make. A little bit more smooth on teching aswell. It seems he's not focused on teching, but instead he techs when he has time. All in all, techs are warping in and finishing a bit later than they should, imo.

I think you simple need to think more when you play. If you're going to expand, it should be in the forefront of your mind. Whenever you do anything in SC, it should be your main focus. If you're going to expand, do it as soon as physically possible. If you're going to tech, do it as fast as possible. It seems like you're going through the "routine" instead of adapting to what you see, and instead of optimizing your play.

imo..
edit: I just skimmed the vods. you also seem to be very passive. Like incredibly passive.


That's what I need some help with really. I need to get a good macro cycle going and being able to tech and adapt. I have no higher up mentor or anything who's active enough to answer my questions so I try to get by without any help. Basically I've been trying to just get a solid standard build order down before I start adapting and getting different with it.
eagle
Profile Joined April 2009
United States693 Posts
April 19 2009 21:44 GMT
#12
critter blocking the third really hurt you just attack it with the probe
LordWeird
Profile Blog Joined November 2007
United States3411 Posts
April 19 2009 21:59 GMT
#13
Fun to watch, but holy shit that is probably the worst music I have ever heard.
Chains none
Zozma
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
United States1626 Posts
April 19 2009 23:01 GMT
#14
On April 20 2009 05:47 Frits wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 20 2009 04:37 Zozma wrote:
On April 20 2009 02:20 crabsman wrote:
Alright I didn't need to watch them I just looked at the top right hand corner and saw your problem. Your problem is marco and until you solve that it will be hard to really concentrate on other things.


POLO!


Seriously... don't even say things like "I didn't watch but here's your problem". It just makes you sound like an idiot.


Yeah because there exists a context in which having 2.4k minerals while only having 100/200 psi is good macro.

Have you even watched the video yourself? The music makes you feel like you suddenly walked into a gaybar or something.
I didn't watch the video, but the difference is that I'm not trying to give him advice.
d1v
Profile Blog Joined September 2007
Sweden868 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-04-19 23:13:23
April 19 2009 23:03 GMT
#15
Concerning your teching issues: Day9 has recorded a neat podcast about triggers (i.e. certain events in the game that make you build/research/execute certain things). I suggest you listen to it and find yourself some good triggers for your tech upgrades. On a partly related side note, what's your APM/EAPM?
Adams Æbler
Racenilatr
Profile Blog Joined August 2008
United States2756 Posts
April 19 2009 23:38 GMT
#16
hmm listening to it

My apm and eapm varies. I can get up to 340 apm in games and as low as 240 and eapm is usually 150 I wish It was like 170 but I only get that sometimes
TommyG
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
United States102 Posts
April 19 2009 23:43 GMT
#17
lol @ ragnarok
RaNgeD
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
United States733 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-04-20 04:10:03
April 20 2009 04:08 GMT
#18
Im just gonna take some notes while watching and organize them when its finished.

First think I noticed was how you had to cancel and rebuild pylon. In early game all the little things add up, so try not to do that.
Also I don't know why you added a forge when you saw he hadn't put his pool down yet, if you see that hes going for 12 hatch then that means you can go 14 nexus before forge and still get cannons up in time to stop any lings.
Next thing I noticed was you placing 2 cannons before gateway when you were scouting and saw he only had 2 lings. Sure its safe to make 2 cannons but you can afford to make just 1 and then make the other after the gateway. This will help get the core faster and ofc the sair faster. Every second counts, especially in pvz.
Also your cannon positioning is kind of bad, I mean its good vs a speedling all-in but if you were facing a 2 hatch hydra cheese you would need them up front.

I quit watching after that because this zerg looks like hes like C- lvl (no offense to you)
And it would be hard to explain what to do better because hes not doing anything to punish your mistakes.
Love never gives up, never loses faith, is always hopeful, and endures through every circumstance. 1 Corinthians 13:7
Knickknack
Profile Joined February 2004
United States1187 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-04-20 04:39:01
April 20 2009 04:36 GMT
#19
"I think you simple need to think more when you play"
That about sums it up. I have told him roughly this before though, he has a lack of attention to detail. You have 250apm/150eapm...multitasking is not exactly your biggest problem. If you are doing stuff like forge first when zerg clearly has no pool, this is basic pvz, so you are playing thoughtlessly. The problem is you don't seem to understand that you are playing this way...so i guess that is the first thing to work on.

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Flyingsnow
Profile Blog Joined July 2005
Japan208 Posts
April 20 2009 06:41 GMT
#20
I actually disagree. I think there is an issue with multitasking. I (imho) believe that some of the moments you choose to pull away and macro are moments which you should not or that if you do you have to do it really fast and get back immediately to whats going on e.g small attack at his expansion at 3 then not paying attention for a good 7-10 seconds. Other than that what knickknack mentioned above is true. There are just things that you do which if you really thought about there is no reason to do e.g. forge when there was no pool.
I think you should sit down and think about your play a bit as you watch a replay or vod or something. Try and notice the differences from a pro and yourself. As for mechanics just keep in mind what you want to do before you actually do it. Get things down so that you no longer have to think about them and then you can start reacting to what is actually happening in the game.
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