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TimmyMac
Profile Joined December 2008
Canada499 Posts
April 11 2009 16:25 GMT
#41
On April 11 2009 22:15 DownMaxX wrote:
Oh man, I was playing a Korean Terran last week who had over 300 APM at the D+ level, and he asked me my APM, so I told him honestly (around 170) and he's just like "WHAT? Do you play Protoss or something?"

He didn't believe I could get to D+ as Zerg with 170 APM.

Eh, I'm D+ zerg at 100apm
rredtooth
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
5461 Posts
April 11 2009 17:02 GMT
#42
after hearing kwark brag about how he can play with 90 apm, i tried my best to play with as low apm as possible while still being efficient. the lowest i ever got was 140 and i still felt really slow. nothing dramatic changed with gameplay but just felt sluggish.
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imperfect
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
Canada1652 Posts
April 11 2009 17:36 GMT
#43
yeah how does Kwark have like 80-90 apm and maintain such a high rank?

and please, we know protoss is easier. you dont have to make fun of us for everything. apm, skill level, 1a2a3a.. it never stops TT
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HeavOnEarth
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
United States7087 Posts
April 11 2009 17:52 GMT
#44
On April 11 2009 23:09 Pulimuli wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 11 2009 22:15 DownMaxX wrote:
Oh man, I was playing a Korean Terran last week who had over 300 APM at the D+ level, and he asked me my APM, so I told him honestly (around 170) and he's just like "WHAT? Do you play Protoss or something?"

He didn't believe I could get to D+ as Zerg with 170 APM.


You can get A- with ~180 apm imo

lzgamer lol
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Aux1
Profile Blog Joined June 2007
United States780 Posts
April 11 2009 18:34 GMT
#45
On April 12 2009 02:36 imperfect wrote:
yeah how does Kwark have like 80-90 apm and maintain such a high rank?

and please, we know protoss is easier. you dont have to make fun of us for everything. apm, skill level, 1a2a3a.. it never stops TT

He probably plays really unorthodox
Elite00fm
Profile Joined January 2008
United States548 Posts
April 11 2009 19:33 GMT
#46
On April 12 2009 03:34 Aux1 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 12 2009 02:36 imperfect wrote:
yeah how does Kwark have like 80-90 apm and maintain such a high rank?

and please, we know protoss is easier. you dont have to make fun of us for everything. apm, skill level, 1a2a3a.. it never stops TT

He probably plays really unorthodox


no he plays normally and straight up (atleast in the games I've played against him) and is more like 110-130 apm, but he just a very solid player who knows what to do in given situations and does everything cleanly with no spam.
samachking
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
Bahrain4949 Posts
April 11 2009 20:03 GMT
#47
Bratok during the time of the TSL had 180 apm for a A- terran and had like something sick 160-170 EAPM, now though he became faster with around 250 apm. Mondi used to have 180-200 apm for quite a while. These are Zerg and Terran players, I guess if you understand the strategy and metagame as long as you can support the macro and have the micro you can reach far. Hitting B with Toss with around 100-120 apm should be quite possible in PvT I assume, but would be difficult PvZ/PvP especially playing against and with harass intensive styles.
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Harem
Profile Joined November 2007
United States11393 Posts
April 11 2009 20:09 GMT
#48
On April 12 2009 04:33 Elite00fm wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 12 2009 03:34 Aux1 wrote:
On April 12 2009 02:36 imperfect wrote:
yeah how does Kwark have like 80-90 apm and maintain such a high rank?

and please, we know protoss is easier. you dont have to make fun of us for everything. apm, skill level, 1a2a3a.. it never stops TT

He probably plays really unorthodox


no he plays normally and straight up (atleast in the games I've played against him) and is more like 110-130 apm, but he just a very solid player who knows what to do in given situations and does everything cleanly with no spam.

Uh, Kwark is pretty known for his cheese.
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koreasilver
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
9109 Posts
April 11 2009 20:54 GMT
#49
I've played 3 ZvZ games with some last season when I just started off. He lost each game, and he couldn't micro or macro well.

His apm was over 200.

I just don't really understand what these people do with all those actions if they're not really doing anything at all.
Nytefish
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
United Kingdom4282 Posts
April 11 2009 21:55 GMT
#50
On April 12 2009 05:09 Harem wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 12 2009 04:33 Elite00fm wrote:
On April 12 2009 03:34 Aux1 wrote:
On April 12 2009 02:36 imperfect wrote:
yeah how does Kwark have like 80-90 apm and maintain such a high rank?

and please, we know protoss is easier. you dont have to make fun of us for everything. apm, skill level, 1a2a3a.. it never stops TT

He probably plays really unorthodox


no he plays normally and straight up (atleast in the games I've played against him) and is more like 110-130 apm, but he just a very solid player who knows what to do in given situations and does everything cleanly with no spam.

Uh, Kwark is pretty known for his cheese.


Well he just does the logical thing, play straight up against people you think are worse or equal to you and cheese against someone who you are unlikely to beat in a standard game.
No I'm never serious.
PH
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
United States6173 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-04-11 22:14:47
April 11 2009 22:13 GMT
#51
All these higher ranked low APM players are always protoss...you like NEVER find any zerg or terrans in the C range...just toss...wtf...

I've seen many D+/C- toss with APMs no more than ~100, but I can't recall any zergs or terrans above D- with less than 120, tbh.
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404.Delirium
Profile Joined May 2008
United States1190 Posts
April 11 2009 22:23 GMT
#52
On April 12 2009 06:55 Nytefish wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 12 2009 05:09 Harem wrote:
On April 12 2009 04:33 Elite00fm wrote:
On April 12 2009 03:34 Aux1 wrote:
On April 12 2009 02:36 imperfect wrote:
yeah how does Kwark have like 80-90 apm and maintain such a high rank?

and please, we know protoss is easier. you dont have to make fun of us for everything. apm, skill level, 1a2a3a.. it never stops TT

He probably plays really unorthodox


no he plays normally and straight up (atleast in the games I've played against him) and is more like 110-130 apm, but he just a very solid player who knows what to do in given situations and does everything cleanly with no spam.

Uh, Kwark is pretty known for his cheese.


Well he just does the logical thing, play straight up against people you think are worse or equal to you and cheese against someone who you are unlikely to beat in a standard game.


Either that was a brilliant burn or I over analyzed it.

I can believe a 70 apm C- player. In my opinion it's the jump from C- to C/+ where more APM is necessary for the multitasking required. 70 should be enough to basic macro/micro skills, me thinks.
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Patriot.dlk
Profile Blog Joined October 2004
Sweden5462 Posts
April 11 2009 22:25 GMT
#53
this topic is like the white shoes you stepped in a pile of crap with. The stain and the stench never goes away even though you thought it was finally gone

Everyone knows how apm works and then someone rephrases himself badly or maybe generalize and someone else feels like I do and THEN a newbie comes along knowing nothing and boom! It's a 7 pager...
Ganfei
Profile Blog Joined August 2008
Taiwan1439 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-04-11 23:19:57
April 11 2009 23:17 GMT
#54
On April 12 2009 05:54 koreasilver wrote:
I've played 3 ZvZ games with some last season when I just started off. He lost each game, and he couldn't micro or macro well.

His apm was over 200.

I just don't really understand what these people do with all those actions if they're not really doing anything at all.


It's just a style. I don't know why people think it's something to attack others over. For example, my APM is usually 350-400. When I lose, people seem to think it's something to insult me over. They say ROFL I RAPED U AND U HAD 350 APM. Yes, so? It's just how I play. My fingers run over my hotkeys alot. Big deal. It's not like I'm consciously TRYING to boost my APM. I don't even think about it. I just use my hotkeys a ton and click a lot.
You are crushing me like a cheese sandwich
koreasilver
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
9109 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-04-11 23:22:33
April 11 2009 23:22 GMT
#55
Yeah, but if you're a virtual D- with 200+ apm, then there's something very, very wrong and you're focusing on the wrong things or just not focusing at all.

I don't care about someone's apm regardless of how good they are, as there are examples of both high and low apm players playing at a very high level, but if you're doing absolutely fucking nothing while apparently doing a lot of actions, it makes you wonder if they actually know what's going on or if they're just doing completely pointless things.
fusionsdf
Profile Blog Joined June 2006
Canada15390 Posts
April 12 2009 00:40 GMT
#56
did anyone honestly enter this thread and expect anything other than protoss?
SKT_Best: "I actually chose Protoss because it was so hard for me to defeat Protoss as a Terran. When I first started Brood War, my main race was Terran."
fight_or_flight
Profile Blog Joined June 2007
United States3988 Posts
April 12 2009 02:01 GMT
#57
This thread gives me a cool idea. We should have some sort of contests where people play with as low apm as possible and beat good players who have high apm. And post the replays.
Do you really want chat rooms?
fusionsdf
Profile Blog Joined June 2006
Canada15390 Posts
April 12 2009 02:12 GMT
#58
On April 12 2009 11:01 fight_or_flight wrote:
This thread gives me a cool idea. We should have some sort of contests where people play with as low apm as possible and beat good players who have high apm. And post the replays.


We've already had those :O

we could have them again though
SKT_Best: "I actually chose Protoss because it was so hard for me to defeat Protoss as a Terran. When I first started Brood War, my main race was Terran."
Geo.Rion
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
7377 Posts
April 12 2009 05:00 GMT
#59
so now what's Kwark's APM?
The guy said 100, when i said no way s1 said it was a joke i did not get. Than discussion continues on Kwark's low apm succsess. Can s1 tell me who actually knows, what's up with him?
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TheYango
Profile Joined September 2008
United States47024 Posts
April 12 2009 05:07 GMT
#60
On April 12 2009 09:40 fusionsdf wrote:
did anyone honestly enter this thread and expect anything other than jokes about protoss?

Fixed.
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