• Log InLog In
  • Register
Liquid`
Team Liquid Liquipedia
EST 04:17
CET 10:17
KST 18:17
  • Home
  • Forum
  • Calendar
  • Streams
  • Liquipedia
  • Features
  • Store
  • EPT
  • TL+
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Smash
  • Heroes
  • Counter-Strike
  • Overwatch
  • Liquibet
  • Fantasy StarCraft
  • TLPD
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Blogs
Forum Sidebar
Events/Features
News
Featured News
Behind the Blue - Team Liquid History Book11Clem wins HomeStory Cup 289HomeStory Cup 28 - Info & Preview13Rongyi Cup S3 - Preview & Info7herO wins SC2 All-Star Invitational14
Community News
Weekly Cups (Feb 2-8): Classic, Solar, MaxPax win2Nexon's StarCraft game could be FPS, led by UMS maker4PIG STY FESTIVAL 7.0! (19 Feb - 1 Mar)9Weekly Cups (Jan 26-Feb 1): herO, Clem, ByuN, Classic win2RSL Season 4 announced for March-April8
StarCraft 2
General
How do you think the 5.0.15 balance patch (Oct 2025) for StarCraft II has affected the game? Nexon's StarCraft game could be FPS, led by UMS maker Behind the Blue - Team Liquid History Book Weekly Cups (Feb 2-8): Classic, Solar, MaxPax win Rongyi Cup S3 - Preview & Info
Tourneys
RSL Season 4 announced for March-April PIG STY FESTIVAL 7.0! (19 Feb - 1 Mar) WardiTV Mondays $21,000 Rongyi Cup Season 3 announced (Jan 22-Feb 7) Sparkling Tuna Cup - Weekly Open Tournament
Strategy
Custom Maps
Map Editor closed ? [A] Starcraft Sound Mod
External Content
Mutation # 512 Overclocked The PondCast: SC2 News & Results Mutation # 511 Temple of Rebirth Mutation # 510 Safety Violation
Brood War
General
Gypsy to Korea BGH Auto Balance -> http://bghmmr.eu/ [ASL21] Potential Map Candidates BW General Discussion Liquipedia.net NEEDS editors for Brood War
Tourneys
[Megathread] Daily Proleagues Escore Tournament StarCraft Season 1 Small VOD Thread 2.0 KCM Race Survival 2026 Season 1
Strategy
Zealot bombing is no longer popular? Simple Questions, Simple Answers Current Meta Soma's 9 hatch build from ASL Game 2
Other Games
General Games
Diablo 2 thread ZeroSpace Megathread Battle Aces/David Kim RTS Megathread EVE Corporation Nintendo Switch Thread
Dota 2
Official 'what is Dota anymore' discussion
League of Legends
Heroes of the Storm
Simple Questions, Simple Answers Heroes of the Storm 2.0
Hearthstone
Deck construction bug Heroes of StarCraft mini-set
TL Mafia
Vanilla Mini Mafia TL Mafia Community Thread Mafia Game Mode Feedback/Ideas
Community
General
US Politics Mega-thread Russo-Ukrainian War Thread YouTube Thread The Games Industry And ATVI Things Aren’t Peaceful in Palestine
Fan Clubs
The herO Fan Club! The IdrA Fan Club
Media & Entertainment
Anime Discussion Thread [Manga] One Piece
Sports
2024 - 2026 Football Thread
World Cup 2022
Tech Support
TL Community
The Automated Ban List
Blogs
Play, Watch, Drink: Esports …
TrAiDoS
My 2025 Magic: The Gathering…
DARKING
Life Update and thoughts.
FuDDx
How do archons sleep?
8882
StarCraft improvement
iopq
Customize Sidebar...

Website Feedback

Closed Threads



Active: 2009 users

Daniel Lee talks about the NBA & eSports

Blogs > Lipton
Post a Reply
Lipton
Profile Blog Joined April 2007
United States168 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-03-20 02:50:26
March 20 2009 02:31 GMT
#1
Where would Michael Jordan be without the NBA?

I am speaking in general terms so please understand and I would appreciate it if you don't take some of the things I write out of context.

For the most part, outside of Korea you are 'gamers' and here in Korea you are 'athletes', they are cyber athletes if you will, because of the 12 professional teams and pro leagues we have, it legitimizes them.

Why are they legitimized? Well for obvious reason, but to point out a few, you can be financially viable by being a ProGamer, and 2nd you become, in a way, TV personalities, basically it's on TV 24/7 to put it simply. What good is Michael Jordan without the NCAA, NBA or TV for that matter. The medium of TV certainly did change our culture. Why does the NBA exist? Because people watch it, it has spectators, which means people involved in it can make money, and money keeps the leagues alive, you know the cliché 'the world makes the world go around'.

After all Michael Jordan is just a guy who does wonders with a basketball isn't he? Where would he be without the NBA? Baseball was created over 100 years ago, imagine how baseball players might have been perceived by the public? or by family members? Bunch of grown men playing with bats, balls and gloves?! Instead of working to plan for the safe future or to provide for the family? I'm sure rocks were thrown at them. Why is it when some kid aspires to be a professional baseball player it's ok and when a kid aspires to be a ProGamer he is looked down upon? When someone shoots hoops in hopes of becoming a pro all day long it's a 'Kodak moment' and when someone plays a game all day in hopes of becoming the best player he could possibly be on iccup a 'freaky moment'?


The rest of the article here on his blog:
http://starfeeder.gameriot.com/blogs/Super-Daniel-Man/Where-would-Michael-Jordan-be-without-the-NBA

*****
http://facebook.com/starfeeder
Sadist
Profile Blog Joined October 2002
United States7322 Posts
March 20 2009 02:47 GMT
#2
basketball will always be basketball

new videogames come out all the time. Its not the same.
How do you go from where you are to where you want to be? I think you have to have an enthusiasm for life. You have to have a dream, a goal and you have to be willing to work for it. Jim Valvano
Tyxiquale
Profile Joined September 2008
Australia424 Posts
March 20 2009 02:48 GMT
#3
thanks dan! these are awesome articles.. gives people like me a much better understanding of the whole e-sports scene.

Please keep writing.. I look forward to reading them all the time!

Also, fantastic commentary with nick.. I can't wait for season 3!
Dumb people don't know that they're dumb.
Kyuukyuu
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Canada6263 Posts
March 20 2009 02:48 GMT
#4
The world makes the world go around, eh?

cgrinker
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
United States3824 Posts
March 20 2009 03:04 GMT
#5
I disagree Sadist, Basketball is basketball because it is a solid game and we have chosen as a social group to like it. There are athetic events that go in and out of cultural style all the time (remember the XFL?) If there was a video game that was as solid as basketball then it would continue to be popular for a long time.
MooNDog.
Profile Joined July 2007
United States81 Posts
March 20 2009 03:05 GMT
#6
u can make millions off of basketball
games...
=]
Insane Lane
Profile Blog Joined August 2008
United States397 Posts
March 20 2009 03:09 GMT
#7
Basketball and other athletic sports promote physical fitness, which make one physically attractive and more likely to succeed in terms of primal survival of the fittest.

Video games on the other hand...
Cloud
Profile Blog Joined November 2004
Sexico5880 Posts
March 20 2009 03:25 GMT
#8
On March 20 2009 12:09 Insane Lane wrote:
Basketball and other athletic sports promote physical fitness, which make one physically attractive and more likely to succeed in terms of primal survival of the fittest.

Video games on the other hand...


lol survival of the fittest for whoever has the biggest muscles? What is this, jumanji?
BlueLaguna on West, msg for game.
Aux1
Profile Blog Joined June 2007
United States780 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-03-20 03:33:53
March 20 2009 03:29 GMT
#9
On March 20 2009 12:25 Cloud wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 20 2009 12:09 Insane Lane wrote:
Basketball and other athletic sports promote physical fitness, which make one physically attractive and more likely to succeed in terms of primal survival of the fittest.

Video games on the other hand...


lol survival of the fittest for whoever has the biggest muscles? What is this, jumanji?

No its darwinism

Also, there is no real comparison because basketball has stayed essentially the same for a hundred years (obviously equipment etc has changed) while videogames are constantly changing. Its amazing that starcraft has stayed popular this long
Cloud
Profile Blog Joined November 2004
Sexico5880 Posts
March 20 2009 03:31 GMT
#10
You cant be serious.

Anyway, nice blog.
BlueLaguna on West, msg for game.
baubo
Profile Joined September 2008
China3370 Posts
March 20 2009 03:39 GMT
#11
I agree with Daniel in terms of legitimacy of game-watching as a recreation. But I find it really hard to succeed as something more than a niche sport. Especially since the field of gaming and computing progresses so ridiculously fast. I doubt there can be a set audience for a single game that last more than a year or two.
Meh
ilistis
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
United States828 Posts
March 20 2009 03:59 GMT
#12
It's so sad that there might be a day where starcraft may be replaced by another game.
"The man who removes a mountain begins by carrying away small stones."-William Faulkner *_*_*_Kolll FAN_*_*_*
LOcDowN
Profile Joined February 2003
United States1015 Posts
March 20 2009 04:10 GMT
#13
The only reason Starcraft can be compared to basketball is due to this game potential being exploited to the maximum by the Koreans. Not many games can reach this level of science. E-sport itself sounds like a bad investment with this respect, you can't just have many games like Starcraft where new players/builds are generated through time. Also, only the Koreans are the ones to give this game such a chance through time to survive. Also, there is only one basketball game; the same is with how there is only one starcraft legacy. E-sport with mass of different games sound like a bad investment. There really needs to be only a few solid games develop with high potential. Unfortunately, I just don't see e-sport going anywhere.
RobRoy2501
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
United States177 Posts
March 20 2009 11:57 GMT
#14
Just as MMA, boxing, baseball, and football will rise and fall in popularity so will competitive games like WoW, SC, SC2(maybe), CS, Street Fighter, etc. I think Games like WoW especially will break the mold for the rest of the world to view gaming like Korea does just by exposing it to sheer masses of people. Just need time for fan bases to build and personalities to root for/against in the games.
The mind is not a vessel to be filled, but a fire to be kindled. -Plutarch
Lipton
Profile Blog Joined April 2007
United States168 Posts
March 20 2009 16:25 GMT
#15
@ LOcDowN

very true... not many games are of the caliber of Starcraft, and I dare say no RTS since has come close (cept War 3, but still not that clean as an E-sport imho)

However there is StarCraft II
http://facebook.com/starfeeder
[X]Ken_D
Profile Blog Joined May 2005
United States4650 Posts
March 22 2009 01:59 GMT
#16
No one owns basketball or soccer, especially not a giant corporation. Giant corporations may have a hand in it with have their own leagues. In physical sports, you can do whatever you want with the sport without the fear of giant corporations going after you for using their 'products' without their permission.
[X]Domain - I just do the website. Nothing more.
Please log in or register to reply.
Live Events Refresh
Next event in 43m
[ Submit Event ]
Live Streams
Refresh
StarCraft 2
ProTech126
SortOf 116
StarCraft: Brood War
BeSt 833
actioN 330
Larva 318
Bisu 316
Killer 151
PianO 102
Sharp 84
Pusan 58
Soma 50
Jaedong 47
[ Show more ]
Shuttle 38
sSak 26
Shinee 24
ToSsGirL 21
sorry 19
GoRush 15
Bale 15
Rush 14
Aegong 11
Shine 11
Dota 2
XaKoH 406
NeuroSwarm121
XcaliburYe62
League of Legends
JimRising 492
C9.Mang0305
Counter-Strike
shoxiejesuss990
olofmeister413
kRYSTAL_41
Super Smash Bros
Mew2King154
Other Games
summit1g8065
Liquid`RaSZi504
ceh9439
Tasteless302
Happy275
KnowMe223
Livibee42
Organizations
Other Games
gamesdonequick583
StarCraft: Brood War
UltimateBattle 46
CasterMuse 15
StarCraft 2
Blizzard YouTube
StarCraft: Brood War
BSLTrovo
sctven
[ Show 14 non-featured ]
StarCraft 2
• LUISG 21
• AfreecaTV YouTube
• intothetv
• Kozan
• IndyKCrew
• LaughNgamezSOOP
• Migwel
• sooper7s
StarCraft: Brood War
• iopq 3
• BSLYoutube
• STPLYoutube
• ZZZeroYoutube
League of Legends
• Scarra1920
• Stunt579
Upcoming Events
Sparkling Tuna Cup
43m
LiuLi Cup
1h 43m
Reynor vs Creator
Maru vs Lambo
PiGosaur Monday
15h 43m
Replay Cast
23h 43m
LiuLi Cup
1d 1h
Clem vs Rogue
SHIN vs Cyan
Replay Cast
1d 14h
The PondCast
2 days
KCM Race Survival
2 days
LiuLi Cup
2 days
Scarlett vs TriGGeR
ByuN vs herO
Replay Cast
2 days
[ Show More ]
Online Event
3 days
LiuLi Cup
3 days
Serral vs Zoun
Cure vs Classic
RSL Revival
3 days
RSL Revival
4 days
LiuLi Cup
4 days
uThermal 2v2 Circuit
4 days
RSL Revival
4 days
Replay Cast
4 days
Sparkling Tuna Cup
5 days
LiuLi Cup
5 days
Replay Cast
5 days
Replay Cast
5 days
LiuLi Cup
6 days
Wardi Open
6 days
Monday Night Weeklies
6 days
Replay Cast
6 days
Liquipedia Results

Completed

Proleague 2026-02-09
Rongyi Cup S3
Underdog Cup #3

Ongoing

KCM Race Survival 2026 Season 1
LiuLi Cup: 2025 Grand Finals
Nations Cup 2026
IEM Kraków 2026
BLAST Bounty Winter 2026
BLAST Bounty Winter Qual
eXTREMESLAND 2025
SL Budapest Major 2025
ESL Impact League Season 8

Upcoming

Escore Tournament S1: W8
Acropolis #4
IPSL Spring 2026
HSC XXIX
uThermal 2v2 2026 Main Event
Bellum Gens Elite Stara Zagora 2026
RSL Revival: Season 4
WardiTV Winter 2026
CCT Season 3 Global Finals
FISSURE Playground #3
IEM Rio 2026
PGL Bucharest 2026
Stake Ranked Episode 1
BLAST Open Spring 2026
ESL Pro League Season 23
ESL Pro League Season 23
PGL Cluj-Napoca 2026
TLPD

1. ByuN
2. TY
3. Dark
4. Solar
5. Stats
6. Nerchio
7. sOs
8. soO
9. INnoVation
10. Elazer
1. Rain
2. Flash
3. EffOrt
4. Last
5. Bisu
6. Soulkey
7. Mini
8. Sharp
Sidebar Settings...

Advertising | Privacy Policy | Terms Of Use | Contact Us

Original banner artwork: Jim Warren
The contents of this webpage are copyright © 2026 TLnet. All Rights Reserved.