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Lipton
Profile Blog Joined April 2007
United States168 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-03-20 02:50:26
March 20 2009 02:31 GMT
#1
Where would Michael Jordan be without the NBA?

I am speaking in general terms so please understand and I would appreciate it if you don't take some of the things I write out of context.

For the most part, outside of Korea you are 'gamers' and here in Korea you are 'athletes', they are cyber athletes if you will, because of the 12 professional teams and pro leagues we have, it legitimizes them.

Why are they legitimized? Well for obvious reason, but to point out a few, you can be financially viable by being a ProGamer, and 2nd you become, in a way, TV personalities, basically it's on TV 24/7 to put it simply. What good is Michael Jordan without the NCAA, NBA or TV for that matter. The medium of TV certainly did change our culture. Why does the NBA exist? Because people watch it, it has spectators, which means people involved in it can make money, and money keeps the leagues alive, you know the cliché 'the world makes the world go around'.

After all Michael Jordan is just a guy who does wonders with a basketball isn't he? Where would he be without the NBA? Baseball was created over 100 years ago, imagine how baseball players might have been perceived by the public? or by family members? Bunch of grown men playing with bats, balls and gloves?! Instead of working to plan for the safe future or to provide for the family? I'm sure rocks were thrown at them. Why is it when some kid aspires to be a professional baseball player it's ok and when a kid aspires to be a ProGamer he is looked down upon? When someone shoots hoops in hopes of becoming a pro all day long it's a 'Kodak moment' and when someone plays a game all day in hopes of becoming the best player he could possibly be on iccup a 'freaky moment'?


The rest of the article here on his blog:
http://starfeeder.gameriot.com/blogs/Super-Daniel-Man/Where-would-Michael-Jordan-be-without-the-NBA

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Sadist
Profile Blog Joined October 2002
United States7220 Posts
March 20 2009 02:47 GMT
#2
basketball will always be basketball

new videogames come out all the time. Its not the same.
How do you go from where you are to where you want to be? I think you have to have an enthusiasm for life. You have to have a dream, a goal and you have to be willing to work for it. Jim Valvano
Tyxiquale
Profile Joined September 2008
Australia424 Posts
March 20 2009 02:48 GMT
#3
thanks dan! these are awesome articles.. gives people like me a much better understanding of the whole e-sports scene.

Please keep writing.. I look forward to reading them all the time!

Also, fantastic commentary with nick.. I can't wait for season 3!
Dumb people don't know that they're dumb.
Kyuukyuu
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Canada6263 Posts
March 20 2009 02:48 GMT
#4
The world makes the world go around, eh?

cgrinker
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
United States3824 Posts
March 20 2009 03:04 GMT
#5
I disagree Sadist, Basketball is basketball because it is a solid game and we have chosen as a social group to like it. There are athetic events that go in and out of cultural style all the time (remember the XFL?) If there was a video game that was as solid as basketball then it would continue to be popular for a long time.
MooNDog.
Profile Joined July 2007
United States81 Posts
March 20 2009 03:05 GMT
#6
u can make millions off of basketball
games...
=]
Insane Lane
Profile Blog Joined August 2008
United States397 Posts
March 20 2009 03:09 GMT
#7
Basketball and other athletic sports promote physical fitness, which make one physically attractive and more likely to succeed in terms of primal survival of the fittest.

Video games on the other hand...
Cloud
Profile Blog Joined November 2004
Sexico5880 Posts
March 20 2009 03:25 GMT
#8
On March 20 2009 12:09 Insane Lane wrote:
Basketball and other athletic sports promote physical fitness, which make one physically attractive and more likely to succeed in terms of primal survival of the fittest.

Video games on the other hand...


lol survival of the fittest for whoever has the biggest muscles? What is this, jumanji?
BlueLaguna on West, msg for game.
Aux1
Profile Blog Joined June 2007
United States780 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-03-20 03:33:53
March 20 2009 03:29 GMT
#9
On March 20 2009 12:25 Cloud wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 20 2009 12:09 Insane Lane wrote:
Basketball and other athletic sports promote physical fitness, which make one physically attractive and more likely to succeed in terms of primal survival of the fittest.

Video games on the other hand...


lol survival of the fittest for whoever has the biggest muscles? What is this, jumanji?

No its darwinism

Also, there is no real comparison because basketball has stayed essentially the same for a hundred years (obviously equipment etc has changed) while videogames are constantly changing. Its amazing that starcraft has stayed popular this long
Cloud
Profile Blog Joined November 2004
Sexico5880 Posts
March 20 2009 03:31 GMT
#10
You cant be serious.

Anyway, nice blog.
BlueLaguna on West, msg for game.
baubo
Profile Joined September 2008
China3370 Posts
March 20 2009 03:39 GMT
#11
I agree with Daniel in terms of legitimacy of game-watching as a recreation. But I find it really hard to succeed as something more than a niche sport. Especially since the field of gaming and computing progresses so ridiculously fast. I doubt there can be a set audience for a single game that last more than a year or two.
Meh
ilistis
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
United States828 Posts
March 20 2009 03:59 GMT
#12
It's so sad that there might be a day where starcraft may be replaced by another game.
"The man who removes a mountain begins by carrying away small stones."-William Faulkner *_*_*_Kolll FAN_*_*_*
LOcDowN
Profile Joined February 2003
United States1015 Posts
March 20 2009 04:10 GMT
#13
The only reason Starcraft can be compared to basketball is due to this game potential being exploited to the maximum by the Koreans. Not many games can reach this level of science. E-sport itself sounds like a bad investment with this respect, you can't just have many games like Starcraft where new players/builds are generated through time. Also, only the Koreans are the ones to give this game such a chance through time to survive. Also, there is only one basketball game; the same is with how there is only one starcraft legacy. E-sport with mass of different games sound like a bad investment. There really needs to be only a few solid games develop with high potential. Unfortunately, I just don't see e-sport going anywhere.
RobRoy2501
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
United States177 Posts
March 20 2009 11:57 GMT
#14
Just as MMA, boxing, baseball, and football will rise and fall in popularity so will competitive games like WoW, SC, SC2(maybe), CS, Street Fighter, etc. I think Games like WoW especially will break the mold for the rest of the world to view gaming like Korea does just by exposing it to sheer masses of people. Just need time for fan bases to build and personalities to root for/against in the games.
The mind is not a vessel to be filled, but a fire to be kindled. -Plutarch
Lipton
Profile Blog Joined April 2007
United States168 Posts
March 20 2009 16:25 GMT
#15
@ LOcDowN

very true... not many games are of the caliber of Starcraft, and I dare say no RTS since has come close (cept War 3, but still not that clean as an E-sport imho)

However there is StarCraft II
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[X]Ken_D
Profile Blog Joined May 2005
United States4650 Posts
March 22 2009 01:59 GMT
#16
No one owns basketball or soccer, especially not a giant corporation. Giant corporations may have a hand in it with have their own leagues. In physical sports, you can do whatever you want with the sport without the fear of giant corporations going after you for using their 'products' without their permission.
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