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On March 18 2009 07:13 YPang wrote:Show nested quote +On March 18 2009 07:04 Frits wrote:On March 18 2009 06:58 YPang wrote:On March 18 2009 06:51 Duke wrote:On March 18 2009 06:21 YPang wrote:
I believe that people are depressed because they choose to be, and that emotion just becomes a black hole, and takes all your positive insights away, so you actually LOSE motivation to get yourself out of that state, and thinks all else is useless. The ONLY way to knock yourself out of that state is to tell yourself what you're feeling is only temporary, stand up straight with chest out, and jump around a bit, have some air in your lungs....etc.. You CANNOT feel bad about yourself if you do that..........
my 5 cent. yes the positive insights are gone, the motivation is lost, and a lot of people feel despair. honestly what you're saying is silly, no one chooses to feel like shit. you dont have to be "knocked" out of depression, and there is more than one way to deal with it. and not everyone can just suck it up and go on with their life while in a "black hole", as you say. if someone is feeling heavily depressed and is questioning "why should i go outside of my house" and then reads your post they're not going to feel anything but more helpless which simply isn't true. I sorta have to disagree... All the lost motivation, and positive insights is only temporary. Its like a fake cloud of despair, as soon as the person realizes and accepts what he/she is depressed about she can move on, and choose to do something that makes her get out of that state. Its true that not every can just suck it up, and in that case that person needs to seek help IMMEDIATLY. I'm pretty sure that you DID NOT mean "once someone is depressed he can never get out of it", but first accepting the situation if you cannot change it is a HUGE step forward. (Easier said than done) You have no idea what you are talking about do you. "fake cloud of despair", are you being serious? You think that's how scientists work? Making up vague undescriptive terms to fill up gaps in understanding and call it a day? Your theory completely deviates from all that is known about depression, why are you sticking to this bullshit and what do you base it on exactly. I have never heard of anything you just said before. uh? Since when did scientists come in the equation? the "fake cloud of despair" is meant by a emotion or a fear that the person believes cannot go away AT THE MOMMENT. Sure if a loved one dies, I will get depressed, and its normal, but its not something unrecoverable. If it was, i'd cry everyday about it... and the worst part is that it serves no use at all. "MY" theory don't have to be the same as all others, im sticking to this because i believe thats what it truly is, all emotions can be changed at any given moment, i just have to force myself to do it. And ANYONE can do it if they want to. I don't have to base it on anything, if you tell me you don't feel any better after standing up straight and filling your lungs with air, while thinking about the last time you had fun, then i'll be extremely suprised....
What are you, twelve? Stop wasting my time with your bullshit reasoning. Saying that something works a certain way because you believe it does, does not make it true, and you do have to base what you believe on something if you want it to be credible, that's the whole point.
On March 18 2009 07:19 YPang wrote:Show nested quote +Mind and body works as one, if you change your body posture, you WILL feel different. An easy example is if you sit all crunched up, and hunched over. You probably feel down, but try standing up straight and fill your lungs with air, you'll feel MUCH different. Just making a simple choice of not sitting around hunched on the sofa and mourning, and stand up jump around a bit can make anyone see a more positive side of things. Show nested quote +No it's the other way around, if you are sad you are hunched and motionless through lack of motivation. This causation can't be simply turned around, you do not gain motivation by gaining an active stance, you take on an active stance because of your motivation. This is true to an extent, its easier to feel good if you're motivated, it takes an effort to force yourself to gain an active stance if you're not motivated, but its achievable. How else do you think people get out of depressions without any sort of medecine? They obviously accepted the fact and moved on by doing something more active instead of mourning and living in the past.
Wrong, therapy changes the way people interpret things and gives insight in the behavior people perform. You can not simply tell people to be motivated, are you really so simple minded that you think that it's possible start thinking positively just because you want to? It does not work that way, nor does there exist any evidence that it does. Also note that in a LOT of cases depression comes back (roughly 40% iirc), there is often a biological factor that plays a role as well. You can not simply start creating endorfine on command.
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On March 18 2009 07:23 Frits wrote:Show nested quote +On March 18 2009 07:13 YPang wrote:On March 18 2009 07:04 Frits wrote:On March 18 2009 06:58 YPang wrote:On March 18 2009 06:51 Duke wrote:On March 18 2009 06:21 YPang wrote:
I believe that people are depressed because they choose to be, and that emotion just becomes a black hole, and takes all your positive insights away, so you actually LOSE motivation to get yourself out of that state, and thinks all else is useless. The ONLY way to knock yourself out of that state is to tell yourself what you're feeling is only temporary, stand up straight with chest out, and jump around a bit, have some air in your lungs....etc.. You CANNOT feel bad about yourself if you do that..........
my 5 cent. yes the positive insights are gone, the motivation is lost, and a lot of people feel despair. honestly what you're saying is silly, no one chooses to feel like shit. you dont have to be "knocked" out of depression, and there is more than one way to deal with it. and not everyone can just suck it up and go on with their life while in a "black hole", as you say. if someone is feeling heavily depressed and is questioning "why should i go outside of my house" and then reads your post they're not going to feel anything but more helpless which simply isn't true. I sorta have to disagree... All the lost motivation, and positive insights is only temporary. Its like a fake cloud of despair, as soon as the person realizes and accepts what he/she is depressed about she can move on, and choose to do something that makes her get out of that state. Its true that not every can just suck it up, and in that case that person needs to seek help IMMEDIATLY. I'm pretty sure that you DID NOT mean "once someone is depressed he can never get out of it", but first accepting the situation if you cannot change it is a HUGE step forward. (Easier said than done) You have no idea what you are talking about do you. "fake cloud of despair", are you being serious? You think that's how scientists work? Making up vague undescriptive terms to fill up gaps in understanding and call it a day? Your theory completely deviates from all that is known about depression, why are you sticking to this bullshit and what do you base it on exactly. I have never heard of anything you just said before. uh? Since when did scientists come in the equation? the "fake cloud of despair" is meant by a emotion or a fear that the person believes cannot go away AT THE MOMMENT. Sure if a loved one dies, I will get depressed, and its normal, but its not something unrecoverable. If it was, i'd cry everyday about it... and the worst part is that it serves no use at all. "MY" theory don't have to be the same as all others, im sticking to this because i believe thats what it truly is, all emotions can be changed at any given moment, i just have to force myself to do it. And ANYONE can do it if they want to. I don't have to base it on anything, if you tell me you don't feel any better after standing up straight and filling your lungs with air, while thinking about the last time you had fun, then i'll be extremely suprised.... What are you, twelve? Stop wasting my time with your bullshit reasoning. Saying that something works a certain way because you believe it does, does not make it true, and you do have to base what you believe on something if you want it to be credible, that's the whole point. Show nested quote +On March 18 2009 07:19 YPang wrote:Mind and body works as one, if you change your body posture, you WILL feel different. An easy example is if you sit all crunched up, and hunched over. You probably feel down, but try standing up straight and fill your lungs with air, you'll feel MUCH different. Just making a simple choice of not sitting around hunched on the sofa and mourning, and stand up jump around a bit can make anyone see a more positive side of things. No it's the other way around, if you are sad you are hunched and motionless through lack of motivation. This causation can't be simply turned around, you do not gain motivation by gaining an active stance, you take on an active stance because of your motivation. This is true to an extent, its easier to feel good if you're motivated, it takes an effort to force yourself to gain an active stance if you're not motivated, but its achievable. How else do you think people get out of depressions without any sort of medecine? They obviously accepted the fact and moved on by doing something more active instead of mourning and living in the past. Wrong, therapy changes the way people interpret things and gives insight in the behavior people perform. You can not simply tell people to be motivated, are you really so simple minded that you think that it's possible start thinking positively just because you want to? It does not work that way, nor does there exist any evidence that it does. Also note that in a LOT of cases depression comes back (roughly 40% iirc), there is often a biological factor that plays a role as well. You can not simply start creating endorfine on command.
Firstly I am actually 9 years old, and you choose to "waste" your time on me rofl? All i'm suggesting is that, if someone is depressed (not major depression like 1 year depressino or w/e...). They can do things to change it, and a easy first step is to take an active stance, which will NOT solve the problem, BUT will make more options for the person to see. And yes i'm actually am basing it off of NLP (neuro lingustic programming) found by Richard bandler, and john grinder (just to make you happy). This technique is what helped me get off of a lot of negative thoughts, and im just giving an suggestion.
Since when did i say that all i had to do was to tell people to be motivated, and they will? I'm saying that if people are aware of the fact that depression is only a state of mind, and that state of minds can be changed, they can see things in a more positive light. And yes i do believe that its possible to start thinking positively just because i chose to. The reason someone is negative is not because of a single event that happened in their life that made them all negative. Its things throughout that person's life that influenced him in his subconscious mind. If the person KNOWS this fact, he can change it. If a depressed individual don't believe ANYTHING can help them get out of the state their already in, there's NOTHING anyone can do to help him. He won't go to therapy, he won't eat medicine to get his chemical balances back. Nothing.
Basically to sum up my point: If one feels down, or depressed (maybe even major depression), a great way to get themselves back on track is to simply stand up straight, fill their lungs with air, raise head high, jump around, and scream "I'm the king of the world"... You simply cannot argue that does not refresh the person's mind, and start seeing this differently and creating new options for themselves.
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you think bandler and grinder are credible scientists lmao
and neuro linguistic programming hahahahahhahahaa did you find a book of that in your mom's bookcase or something
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On March 18 2009 07:47 YPang wrote:
Basically to sum up my point: If one feels down, or depressed (maybe even major depression), a great way to get themselves back on track is to simply stand up straight, fill their lungs with air, raise head high, jump around, and scream "I'm the king of the world"... You simply cannot argue that does not refresh the person's mind, and start seeing this differently and creating new options for themselves.
You're mixing feeling sad/being down with being depressed. They aren't the same, so to treat them as such is wrong. Doing what you said might help briefly for someone that is feeling depressed, but it's only a temporary thing, just another coping mechanism. If you're feeling depressed it's because there is a reason. So unless that problem is addressed everything else that will just be a coping mechanism to make you feel something other than being depressed. It's different for everyone, some people are able to climb out of depression without help, others need help.
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On March 18 2009 08:03 Frits wrote:
you think bandler and grinder are credible scientists lmao
and neuro linguistic programming hahahahahhahahaa did you find a book of that in your mom's bookcase or something
"You can't help people that don't want to be helped"-John armstrong
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On March 18 2009 08:17 YPang wrote:Show nested quote +On March 18 2009 08:03 Frits wrote:
you think bandler and grinder are credible scientists lmao
and neuro linguistic programming hahahahahhahahaa did you find a book of that in your mom's bookcase or something "You can't help people that don't want to be helped"-John armstrong
"I am actually 9 years old" -YPang
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On March 18 2009 08:19 Frits wrote:Show nested quote +On March 18 2009 08:17 YPang wrote:On March 18 2009 08:03 Frits wrote:
you think bandler and grinder are credible scientists lmao
and neuro linguistic programming hahahahahhahahaa did you find a book of that in your mom's bookcase or something "You can't help people that don't want to be helped"-John armstrong "I am actually 9 years old" -YPang
Put it on your signature yo... it makes you look pimp....
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Yo what happened to the OP
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On March 18 2009 01:27 Frits wrote:Show nested quote +On March 18 2009 01:22 HeavOnEarth wrote:
what reaction..., like a teen running away from home ? i don't get what u want
oh i get it
this is just a omg please do my homework for me , although i havn't done any research myself, blog No he's asking for what you do when you feel depressed, this is the actual research part. It's so incredibly obviously mentioned too so I don't really see why you're getting your panties in a bunch over this.
cause i knew this
On March 18 2009 14:22 ShoCkeyy wrote:
i died :[
would happen
he actually even edited out the OP ;o
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The best way out of a depression is government spending.
Oh wait, wrong thread. And wrong economic policy too.
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On March 18 2009 07:47 YPang wrote:Show nested quote +On March 18 2009 07:23 Frits wrote:On March 18 2009 07:13 YPang wrote:On March 18 2009 07:04 Frits wrote:On March 18 2009 06:58 YPang wrote:On March 18 2009 06:51 Duke wrote:On March 18 2009 06:21 YPang wrote:
I believe that people are depressed because they choose to be, and that emotion just becomes a black hole, and takes all your positive insights away, so you actually LOSE motivation to get yourself out of that state, and thinks all else is useless. The ONLY way to knock yourself out of that state is to tell yourself what you're feeling is only temporary, stand up straight with chest out, and jump around a bit, have some air in your lungs....etc.. You CANNOT feel bad about yourself if you do that..........
my 5 cent. yes the positive insights are gone, the motivation is lost, and a lot of people feel despair. honestly what you're saying is silly, no one chooses to feel like shit. you dont have to be "knocked" out of depression, and there is more than one way to deal with it. and not everyone can just suck it up and go on with their life while in a "black hole", as you say. if someone is feeling heavily depressed and is questioning "why should i go outside of my house" and then reads your post they're not going to feel anything but more helpless which simply isn't true. I sorta have to disagree... All the lost motivation, and positive insights is only temporary. Its like a fake cloud of despair, as soon as the person realizes and accepts what he/she is depressed about she can move on, and choose to do something that makes her get out of that state. Its true that not every can just suck it up, and in that case that person needs to seek help IMMEDIATLY. I'm pretty sure that you DID NOT mean "once someone is depressed he can never get out of it", but first accepting the situation if you cannot change it is a HUGE step forward. (Easier said than done) You have no idea what you are talking about do you. "fake cloud of despair", are you being serious? You think that's how scientists work? Making up vague undescriptive terms to fill up gaps in understanding and call it a day? Your theory completely deviates from all that is known about depression, why are you sticking to this bullshit and what do you base it on exactly. I have never heard of anything you just said before. uh? Since when did scientists come in the equation? the "fake cloud of despair" is meant by a emotion or a fear that the person believes cannot go away AT THE MOMMENT. Sure if a loved one dies, I will get depressed, and its normal, but its not something unrecoverable. If it was, i'd cry everyday about it... and the worst part is that it serves no use at all. "MY" theory don't have to be the same as all others, im sticking to this because i believe thats what it truly is, all emotions can be changed at any given moment, i just have to force myself to do it. And ANYONE can do it if they want to. I don't have to base it on anything, if you tell me you don't feel any better after standing up straight and filling your lungs with air, while thinking about the last time you had fun, then i'll be extremely suprised.... What are you, twelve? Stop wasting my time with your bullshit reasoning. Saying that something works a certain way because you believe it does, does not make it true, and you do have to base what you believe on something if you want it to be credible, that's the whole point. On March 18 2009 07:19 YPang wrote:Mind and body works as one, if you change your body posture, you WILL feel different. An easy example is if you sit all crunched up, and hunched over. You probably feel down, but try standing up straight and fill your lungs with air, you'll feel MUCH different. Just making a simple choice of not sitting around hunched on the sofa and mourning, and stand up jump around a bit can make anyone see a more positive side of things. No it's the other way around, if you are sad you are hunched and motionless through lack of motivation. This causation can't be simply turned around, you do not gain motivation by gaining an active stance, you take on an active stance because of your motivation. This is true to an extent, its easier to feel good if you're motivated, it takes an effort to force yourself to gain an active stance if you're not motivated, but its achievable. How else do you think people get out of depressions without any sort of medecine? They obviously accepted the fact and moved on by doing something more active instead of mourning and living in the past. Wrong, therapy changes the way people interpret things and gives insight in the behavior people perform. You can not simply tell people to be motivated, are you really so simple minded that you think that it's possible start thinking positively just because you want to? It does not work that way, nor does there exist any evidence that it does. Also note that in a LOT of cases depression comes back (roughly 40% iirc), there is often a biological factor that plays a role as well. You can not simply start creating endorfine on command. Firstly I am actually 9 years old, and you choose to "waste" your time on me rofl? All i'm suggesting is that, if someone is depressed (not major depression like 1 year depressino or w/e...). They can do things to change it, and a easy first step is to take an active stance, which will NOT solve the problem, BUT will make more options for the person to see. And yes i'm actually am basing it off of NLP (neuro lingustic programming) found by Richard bandler, and john grinder (just to make you happy). This technique is what helped me get off of a lot of negative thoughts, and im just giving an suggestion. Since when did i say that all i had to do was to tell people to be motivated, and they will? I'm saying that if people are aware of the fact that depression is only a state of mind, and that state of minds can be changed, they can see things in a more positive light. And yes i do believe that its possible to start thinking positively just because i chose to. The reason someone is negative is not because of a single event that happened in their life that made them all negative. Its things throughout that person's life that influenced him in his subconscious mind. If the person KNOWS this fact, he can change it. If a depressed individual don't believe ANYTHING can help them get out of the state their already in, there's NOTHING anyone can do to help him. He won't go to therapy, he won't eat medicine to get his chemical balances back. Nothing. Basically to sum up my point: If one feels down, or depressed (maybe even major depression), a great way to get themselves back on track is to simply stand up straight, fill their lungs with air, raise head high, jump around, and scream "I'm the king of the world"... You simply cannot argue that does not refresh the person's mind, and start seeing this differently and creating new options for themselves.
Wow, talk about talking out of your ass. This is almost as fun as that one time that WhatIsProtoss said there's no depression in Korea, ahhahaha
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Depression is when your mind can't see any reasons to live, it doesn't matter if you realize if you are in a depression or not since you will still not be able to find any happiness anywhere.
A depression ends when you find a reason, but that reason is nothing you can search for, it just comes due to something triggering a memory.
When I had my depression periods I used to sleep a ton, I reverted to do only things necessary to live and in the end the only way to fight a depression is to make large changes in your life. Surviving a depression is all about personal willpower and friends, it is not something which can be taught and no advice will help someone who is depressed.
By willpower I mean how much belief you have in yourself, the more your thoughts rely on others the less willpower you have. If you have it it doesn't matter how you handle your depression, you will get out, while weaker people will never get out without help from others.
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usually don't want to go out, don't talk to anyone. just watch tv, listen to sad songs, etc.
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On March 18 2009 06:58 YPang wrote:Show nested quote +On March 18 2009 06:51 Duke wrote:On March 18 2009 06:21 YPang wrote:
I believe that people are depressed because they choose to be, and that emotion just becomes a black hole, and takes all your positive insights away, so you actually LOSE motivation to get yourself out of that state, and thinks all else is useless. The ONLY way to knock yourself out of that state is to tell yourself what you're feeling is only temporary, stand up straight with chest out, and jump around a bit, have some air in your lungs....etc.. You CANNOT feel bad about yourself if you do that..........
my 5 cent. yes the positive insights are gone, the motivation is lost, and a lot of people feel despair. honestly what you're saying is silly, no one chooses to feel like shit. you dont have to be "knocked" out of depression, and there is more than one way to deal with it. and not everyone can just suck it up and go on with their life while in a "black hole", as you say. if someone is feeling heavily depressed and is questioning "why should i go outside of my house" and then reads your post they're not going to feel anything but more helpless which simply isn't true. I sorta have to disagree... All the lost motivation, and positive insights is only temporary. Its like a fake cloud of despair, as soon as the person realizes and accepts what he/she is depressed about she can move on, and choose to do something that makes her get out of that state. Its true that not every can just suck it up, and in that case that person needs to seek help IMMEDIATLY. I'm pretty sure that you DID NOT mean "once someone is depressed he can never get out of it", but first accepting the situation if you cannot change it is a HUGE step forward. (Easier said than done)... Mind and body works as one, if you change your body posture, you WILL feel different. An easy example is if you sit all crunched up, and hunched over. You probably feel down, but try standing up straight and fill your lungs with air, you'll feel MUCH different. Just making a simple choice of not sitting around hunched on the sofa and mourning, and stand up jump around a bit can make anyone see a more positive side of things.
Didn't know there were neuro lingustic programming pop-up books on middle schools libraries.
Most of depressed people know they are depressed , some even will say "im so depressed im gonna suicide", they KNOW that, that doesn't mean they are going to get out just for acknowledging it.
They can't get out and don't know how.
and what does feeling your lungs with air will help you about anything? thats completely absurd logic.
where you come up with all these theories? then again you are 9 years old and nobody would gain anything by talking to you, tho I appreciate you're will to help.
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on the topic of graffiti over his posts, That is not even condoned even in the Graffiti writer's underworld.
When you go over someone's shit that starts a battle which can often escalate into physical fighting.
Also most writers don't go over words or anything of importance (except for billboards, which are just ads anyways). Some train writers even make the effort to avoid the numbers and coding for freight cars because they that it fucks with the job of the train guys and they probably wouldn't mind it if not for making their job a bitch.
So unless Shockeyy said/does otherwise it's not even the same at all with you guys trying to prove this anti-graffiti point.
PS- I don't know any circumstances of the whole thing nor am I defending him, I'm just trying to clarify that most good writers would follow these unwritten rules.
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On March 18 2009 01:25 EsX_Raptor wrote:
get a girlfriend yo
cant you understand? he makes love to his hand
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On March 19 2009 15:34 ilj.psa wrote:Show nested quote +On March 18 2009 06:58 YPang wrote:On March 18 2009 06:51 Duke wrote:On March 18 2009 06:21 YPang wrote:
I believe that people are depressed because they choose to be, and that emotion just becomes a black hole, and takes all your positive insights away, so you actually LOSE motivation to get yourself out of that state, and thinks all else is useless. The ONLY way to knock yourself out of that state is to tell yourself what you're feeling is only temporary, stand up straight with chest out, and jump around a bit, have some air in your lungs....etc.. You CANNOT feel bad about yourself if you do that..........
my 5 cent. yes the positive insights are gone, the motivation is lost, and a lot of people feel despair. honestly what you're saying is silly, no one chooses to feel like shit. you dont have to be "knocked" out of depression, and there is more than one way to deal with it. and not everyone can just suck it up and go on with their life while in a "black hole", as you say. if someone is feeling heavily depressed and is questioning "why should i go outside of my house" and then reads your post they're not going to feel anything but more helpless which simply isn't true. I sorta have to disagree... All the lost motivation, and positive insights is only temporary. Its like a fake cloud of despair, as soon as the person realizes and accepts what he/she is depressed about she can move on, and choose to do something that makes her get out of that state. Its true that not every can just suck it up, and in that case that person needs to seek help IMMEDIATLY. I'm pretty sure that you DID NOT mean "once someone is depressed he can never get out of it", but first accepting the situation if you cannot change it is a HUGE step forward. (Easier said than done)... Mind and body works as one, if you change your body posture, you WILL feel different. An easy example is if you sit all crunched up, and hunched over. You probably feel down, but try standing up straight and fill your lungs with air, you'll feel MUCH different. Just making a simple choice of not sitting around hunched on the sofa and mourning, and stand up jump around a bit can make anyone see a more positive side of things. Didn't know there were neuro lingustic programming pop-up books on middle schools libraries. then again you are 9 years old and nobody would gain anything by talking to you, tho I appreciate you're will to help.
HAHAHAHAHah
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