He had a position of considerable responsibility and was convinced that, if he didn't stay focused on his job, he'd miss something that would result in his being fired or kicked off the career ladder.
so does this imply that all people who are depressed, have some inconsistancy in their conception of things
typo 'this" always find it amusing a textbook would have typos (so many typos in my chem book, the answer key in the back of all places to have a typo, drove me maddd)
Also why therapy , is it not true depression if you can't find your own way out?
also the example , at least, i don't think fits what the OP wants. the man you described did the exact opposite, he never "smoked" or enjoyed himself- he never attempted to escape his depression, rather he bottled it up granted, he did recover in the end, but it's not the same as acting implusively, without reason
lol oops I made that typo, I read the book and typed the text as I read it.
And yes, one characteristic of people with depression is that they tend to interpret things in a way that attributes to their already depressed mood.
There are plenty of people who seek help when they are depressed, and there are several degrees of severity in this. The reason why I used a case with therapy is because depression does not go away through impulsive behavior. The problem with most anecdotal cases here in is that they're not clinically diagnosed by professionals. So they might as well be sad moods, which everyone experiences once in awhile.
Anyway if he's smart he can still use the case in a way that is useful, he can state that Mark, through meeting new people etc, improved the quality of his life which alleviated his depression.
On March 18 2009 02:03 Chromyne wrote: I love music. When I'm depressed, I actually listen to depressing or sad music. This is what I prefer to do.
because you can relate to it?
That's probably one reason... maybe I just like to wallow in my own self-pity. It's therapeutic for me, but it definitely doesn't make me feel better in that instant.
I guess I'm confused. Do you mean what is one's reaction to being down for like a day or someone's reaction to being diagnosed with clinical depression?
When I'm depressed I look forward to my next vacation (99% of my depression is caused by things that don't really apply when I'm not working or attending school :-) )
Usually feel the urge to go online and read message boards/look at porn. Then after 5-6 hours I'm way more depressed lol. And like other people said, music.
Like, not do grocery shopping for weeks, not do any sports, not learn even if i would need to, not cleaning up my room, not going out, etc etc.
I'm much like a scared rabbit in these situations. My subconscious tricks me into thinking the only course of action that will not make me more depressed is to not do ANYTHING. That usually lasts a couple of weeks, depending on how deeply I am depressed.
I am working on it, and so far I have been lucky that it didn't totally ruin my life yet, but I realize it's a problem.
I pretty much agree with everything your book says :D. Certain thinking styles and thinking habits lead to depressive moods. I was in a severe depression myself at one point in my life until I started taking behavioral therapy. Hmmm let's see, basically, while depressed I'd feel helpless and hopeless, that is that no matter what I did I'd be depressed forever and that I wouldn't be able to accomplish any of dreams/goals. My energy and motivation were also paralyzed. I'd sleep 14 hours a day but still feel exhausted. I would play RO, and watch tv all day long to try and distract myself.
I believe that people are depressed because they choose to be, and that emotion just becomes a black hole, and takes all your positive insights away, so you actually LOSE motivation to get yourself out of that state, and thinks all else is useless. The ONLY way to knock yourself out of that state is to tell yourself what you're feeling is only temporary, stand up straight with chest out, and jump around a bit, have some air in your lungs....etc.. You CANNOT feel bad about yourself if you do that..........
On March 18 2009 06:21 YPang wrote: I believe that people are depressed because they choose to be, and that emotion just becomes a black hole, and takes all your positive insights away, so you actually LOSE motivation to get yourself out of that state, and thinks all else is useless. The ONLY way to knock yourself out of that state is to tell yourself what you're feeling is only temporary, stand up straight with chest out, and jump around a bit, have some air in your lungs....etc.. You CANNOT feel bad about yourself if you do that..........
my 5 cent.
How exactly does it make sense to want to experience negative affect. Your reasoning goes against human nature and your solution is bullshit, your problems do not go away from simply breathing.
On March 18 2009 06:21 YPang wrote: I believe that people are depressed because they choose to be, and that emotion just becomes a black hole, and takes all your positive insights away, so you actually LOSE motivation to get yourself out of that state, and thinks all else is useless. The ONLY way to knock yourself out of that state is to tell yourself what you're feeling is only temporary, stand up straight with chest out, and jump around a bit, have some air in your lungs....etc.. You CANNOT feel bad about yourself if you do that..........
my 5 cent.
yes the positive insights are gone, the motivation is lost, and a lot of people feel despair. honestly what you're saying is silly, no one chooses to feel like shit. you dont have to be "knocked" out of depression, and there is more than one way to deal with it. and not everyone can just suck it up and go on with their life while in a "black hole", as you say.
if someone is feeling heavily depressed and is questioning "why should i go outside of my house" and then reads your post they're not going to feel anything but more helpless which simply isn't true.
On March 18 2009 06:21 YPang wrote: I believe that people are depressed because they choose to be, and that emotion just becomes a black hole, and takes all your positive insights away, so you actually LOSE motivation to get yourself out of that state, and thinks all else is useless. The ONLY way to knock yourself out of that state is to tell yourself what you're feeling is only temporary, stand up straight with chest out, and jump around a bit, have some air in your lungs....etc.. You CANNOT feel bad about yourself if you do that..........
my 5 cent.
yes the positive insights are gone, the motivation is lost, and a lot of people feel despair. honestly what you're saying is silly, no one chooses to feel like shit. you dont have to be "knocked" out of depression, and there is more than one way to deal with it. and not everyone can just suck it up and go on with their life while in a "black hole", as you say.
if someone is feeling heavily depressed and is questioning "why should i go outside of my house" and then reads your post they're not going to feel anything but more helpless which simply isn't true.
I sorta have to disagree... All the lost motivation, and positive insights is only temporary. Its like a fake cloud of despair, as soon as the person realizes and accepts what he/she is depressed about she can move on, and choose to do something that makes her get out of that state. Its true that not every can just suck it up, and in that case that person needs to seek help IMMEDIATLY. I'm pretty sure that you DID NOT mean "once someone is depressed he can never get out of it", but first accepting the situation if you cannot change it is a HUGE step forward. (Easier said than done)...
Mind and body works as one, if you change your body posture, you WILL feel different. An easy example is if you sit all crunched up, and hunched over. You probably feel down, but try standing up straight and fill your lungs with air, you'll feel MUCH different. Just making a simple choice of not sitting around hunched on the sofa and mourning, and stand up jump around a bit can make anyone see a more positive side of things.
On March 18 2009 06:21 YPang wrote: I believe that people are depressed because they choose to be, and that emotion just becomes a black hole, and takes all your positive insights away, so you actually LOSE motivation to get yourself out of that state, and thinks all else is useless. The ONLY way to knock yourself out of that state is to tell yourself what you're feeling is only temporary, stand up straight with chest out, and jump around a bit, have some air in your lungs....etc.. You CANNOT feel bad about yourself if you do that..........
my 5 cent.
yes the positive insights are gone, the motivation is lost, and a lot of people feel despair. honestly what you're saying is silly, no one chooses to feel like shit. you dont have to be "knocked" out of depression, and there is more than one way to deal with it. and not everyone can just suck it up and go on with their life while in a "black hole", as you say.
if someone is feeling heavily depressed and is questioning "why should i go outside of my house" and then reads your post they're not going to feel anything but more helpless which simply isn't true.
I sorta have to disagree... All the lost motivation, and positive insights is only temporary. Its like a fake cloud of despair, as soon as the person realizes and accepts what he/she is depressed about she can move on, and choose to do something that makes her get out of that state. Its true that not every can just suck it up, and in that case that person needs to seek help IMMEDIATLY. I'm pretty sure that you DID NOT mean "once someone is depressed he can never get out of it", but first accepting the situation if you cannot change it is a HUGE step forward. (Easier said than done)
You have no idea what you are talking about do you.
"fake cloud of despair", are you being serious? You think that's how scientists work? Making up vague undescriptive terms to fill up gaps in understanding and call it a day?
Your theory completely deviates from all that is known about depression, why are you sticking to this bullshit and what do you base it on exactly. I have never heard of anything you just said before.
Mind and body works as one, if you change your body posture, you WILL feel different. An easy example is if you sit all crunched up, and hunched over. You probably feel down, but try standing up straight and fill your lungs with air, you'll feel MUCH different. Just making a simple choice of not sitting around hunched on the sofa and mourning, and stand up jump around a bit can make anyone see a more positive side of things.
No it's the other way around, if you are sad you are hunched and motionless through lack of motivation. This causation can't be simply turned around, you do not gain motivation by gaining an active stance, you take on an active stance because of your motivation.
On March 18 2009 06:21 YPang wrote: I believe that people are depressed because they choose to be, and that emotion just becomes a black hole, and takes all your positive insights away, so you actually LOSE motivation to get yourself out of that state, and thinks all else is useless. The ONLY way to knock yourself out of that state is to tell yourself what you're feeling is only temporary, stand up straight with chest out, and jump around a bit, have some air in your lungs....etc.. You CANNOT feel bad about yourself if you do that..........
my 5 cent.
yes the positive insights are gone, the motivation is lost, and a lot of people feel despair. honestly what you're saying is silly, no one chooses to feel like shit. you dont have to be "knocked" out of depression, and there is more than one way to deal with it. and not everyone can just suck it up and go on with their life while in a "black hole", as you say.
if someone is feeling heavily depressed and is questioning "why should i go outside of my house" and then reads your post they're not going to feel anything but more helpless which simply isn't true.
I sorta have to disagree... All the lost motivation, and positive insights is only temporary. Its like a fake cloud of despair, as soon as the person realizes and accepts what he/she is depressed about she can move on, and choose to do something that makes her get out of that state. Its true that not every can just suck it up, and in that case that person needs to seek help IMMEDIATLY. I'm pretty sure that you DID NOT mean "once someone is depressed he can never get out of it", but first accepting the situation if you cannot change it is a HUGE step forward. (Easier said than done)
You have no idea what you are talking about do you.
"fake cloud of despair", are you being serious? You think that's how scientists work? Making up vague undescriptive terms to fill up gaps in understanding and call it a day?
Your theory completely deviates from all that is known about depression, why are you sticking to this bullshit and what do you base it on exactly. I have never heard of anything you just said before.
uh? Since when did scientists come in the equation? the "fake cloud of despair" is meant by a emotion or a fear that the person believes cannot go away AT THE MOMMENT. Sure if a loved one dies, I will get depressed, and its normal, but its not something unrecoverable. If it was, i'd cry everyday about it... and the worst part is that it serves no use at all.
"MY" theory don't have to be the same as all others, im sticking to this because i believe thats what it truly is, all emotions can be changed at any given moment, i just have to force myself to do it. And ANYONE can do it if they want to.
I don't have to base it on anything, if you tell me you don't feel any better after standing up straight and filling your lungs with air, while thinking about the last time you had fun, then i'll be extremely suprised....
Mind and body works as one, if you change your body posture, you WILL feel different. An easy example is if you sit all crunched up, and hunched over. You probably feel down, but try standing up straight and fill your lungs with air, you'll feel MUCH different. Just making a simple choice of not sitting around hunched on the sofa and mourning, and stand up jump around a bit can make anyone see a more positive side of things.
No it's the other way around, if you are sad you are hunched and motionless through lack of motivation. This causation can't be simply turned around, you do not gain motivation by gaining an active stance, you take on an active stance because of your motivation.
This is true to an extent, its easier to feel good if you're motivated, it takes an effort to force yourself to gain an active stance if you're not motivated, but its achievable. How else do you think people get out of depressions without any sort of medecine? They obviously accepted the fact and moved on by doing something more active instead of mourning and living in the past.
EPT
