On February 16 2009 16:40 paper wrote:
i don't understand why people in the shittiest of situations bring children into the world. so you can make another being suffer? and ending world hunger doesn't start with sending food to the hungry. if you feed them, they just reproduce into the same situation and you have to keep sending more food, which puts them in a vicious cycle. no, you need economic development and investment, and that's not gonna happen for... a long time.

Most of the people get raped and dont have a form of birth control so you can Stfu you retard. Don't post if you don't know shit about what your walking about.

Makhno

Sweden585 Posts

February 16 2009 21:23 GMT

#43

On February 17 2009 06:03 yoshtodd wrote:
Voluntary human extinction movement: http://www.vhemt.org/

Fascinating idea, I had'nt heard of this. I disagree completely but still very interesting.

Klockan3

Sweden2866 Posts

February 16 2009 21:51 GMT

#44

On February 16 2009 20:22 NotSupporting wrote:

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You know that rich people needs poor people for them to be rich?

They don't actually, or it depends on how you define "poor". In my opinion a western world factory worker is not really poor, he can afford a ton of shit and live well, and we aren't dependent on the third world countries as seen in how we lived before we started to move factories to China.

On February 17 2009 06:21 Dgtl wrote:

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Most of the people get raped and dont have a form of birth control so you can Stfu you retard. Don't post if you don't know shit about what your walking about.

I do not think a large rate of children being brought up in the third world are mostly rape victims, there are most likely more than here, but wtf thinking that most people are getting raped in the third world?

ahrara_

Afghanistan1715 Posts

February 16 2009 21:51 GMT

#45

On February 17 2009 06:21 Dgtl wrote:

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Most of the people get raped and dont have a form of birth control so you can Stfu you retard. Don't post if you don't know shit about what your walking about.

this post reeks of irony

fight_or_flight

United States3988 Posts

February 16 2009 22:11 GMT

#46

I find it interesting that before Europeans ever went into Africa, they seemed to be fine and have a sustainable way of life. Perhaps one could argue that technology itself has destroyed them through guns, etc. But I think it is more sinister.

For example, could someone explain to me how digging in a river to scrounge up a few tenths of a gram of gold is more productive than....say....farming. All these people in a luscious rain forest, and they can't even grown any food. What is up with that? If any people should be able to support themselves, wouldn't it be Africa?

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2009/feb/11/zimbabwe-secret-film

ahrara_

Afghanistan1715 Posts

February 16 2009 23:56 GMT

#47

On February 17 2009 07:11 fight_or_flight wrote:
I find it interesting that before Europeans ever went into Africa, they seemed to be fine and have a sustainable way of life. Perhaps one could argue that technology itself has destroyed them through guns, etc. But I think it is more sinister.

For example, could someone explain to me how digging in a river to scrounge up a few tenths of a gram of gold is more productive than....say....farming. All these people in a luscious rain forest, and they can't even grown any food. What is up with that? If any people should be able to support themselves, wouldn't it be Africa?

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2009/feb/11/zimbabwe-secret-film

I'm surprised to hear this coming from a libertarian.

I think it's a silly silly myth perpetuated by hippies and environmentalists that "tribal" life is some kind of human ideal. In some places, maybe it was, but in most of the earth, tribal life was only "sustainable" so long as the environment chose to sustain you. A single year of drought could fuck over entire regions of people. There was no health care to speak of. Lifespans were a THIRD of what they are today. Today's integrated economy has single handedly eliminated famine in developed and developing regions of the world.

I have no problem with "sustainable growth" advocates living in that kind of world if they choose to do so. But I happen to like knowing I'll probably live past 30 and will never have to worry about putting food on the table. The problem with Africa isn't "unsustainable growth", it's conflict and corrupt government. There's nothing wrong with capitalism and wage labor in Africa. It's just our economic models don't account for the political instability that makes growth impossible.

fight_or_flight

United States3988 Posts

February 17 2009 00:05 GMT

#48

Perhaps I didn't say it correctly but I was alluding to the idea that they are intentionally being screwed over. They are so messed up by the IMF and countries intentionally destroying their governments to take advantage of their natural resources. The video shows what I believe is the result of such manipulation.

Which implies that additionally controlling them through birth control is a bad idea and in fact will most likely be used to exterminate them, not help them.