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BluzMan
Profile Blog Joined April 2006
Russian Federation4235 Posts
February 01 2009 21:23 GMT
#1
Preface:

- Last monday, I left work somewhat early, and soon after my leave, my boss (the owner of our firm) was browsing the Internet and downloaded something that identified itself as "Windows XP 2008 Anti-Virus". Sure thing, it didn't function the way he expected and NOD (our corporate antivirus, take notice here!) threw some warning when the thing was launched.

Tuesday morning, I came to work and opened my email to send mails to several people I needed to contact. I sent the mail only to receive it back a few minutes later with a fun commentary: "Tada your mail is blacklisted by SpamCop!". Cool.

Apparently, our corporate external IP has been sending spam to some spam trap of spamcop. A quick inspection on the ISA server has shown a funny thing - random SMTP packets are being sent to all over the world from just one IP - the one the boss owns.

Well, cool, now I know we have a spambot in our system, I even know where it is exactly, so I setup an SMTP filter for that computer, delist from SpamCop to resolve the situation quickly, download CureIt and Kasper and go into his room armed and ready.

NOD, CureIt and Kaspersky find nothing. Well, no, they find some old stuff infected with some random worms, some shit that could be the bot's injector in Temporary Internet Files, but still not the bot itself. Even though three AV programs keep telling me that the machine is clean, it's definetely not as the ISA (it's a huge software firewall in case you didn't know) keeps denying a lot of spam from it.

The situation gets grim. Not that I'm an anti-virus expert, but in most cases, unless you can root the bugger out with some software, it spells doom and a need to reformat. However, there might be a slim chance to kill the virus manually unless it infects some system-critical executable you cannot replace (and even then you can sometimes resolve it just taking the HDD to another computer and copying the dead file from a healthy system). I decide to take chances and look for unknown processes. Nothing! Not a single process that is abnormal or unknown. Killing all theoretically killable processes (except the system-critical svchost and some other processes like NOD) didn't stop it.

Fearing the worst (infected svchost and some loader like winlogon), I launch CPorts (this app detects what networking ports are used by specific processes, it is very handy but often useless as processes can quite easily mask themselves to be invisible to it, being displayed as just Unknown), lookup 25 (SMTP) and... almost fall from my chair.

CPorts detected the spambot. It was in "ekrn.exe". What is ekrn? It's short for ESET Kernel, the kernel of NOD anti-virus. In short, this virus not only wasn't stopped by NOD, it has eaten NOD and sent spam using NOD itself. It was quicky apparent why DrWeb and Kasper didn't find it - as an untold convention, anti-viruses (being practically stuffed with unsafe code) generally restrain from scanning each other to prevent system damage. A masterful move by the injector writer, even though removing the spambot was exactly as easy as reinstalling NOD (unfortunately, we already paid for it, and there are no plans to switch to another, better software).

Now the morale of the story is very simple:

Don't use NOD. Ever.

****
You want 20 good men, but you need a bad pussy.
gm.tOSS
Profile Joined September 2005
Germany898 Posts
February 01 2009 21:31 GMT
#2
Nice read.
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paper
Profile Blog Joined September 2004
13196 Posts
February 01 2009 21:31 GMT
#3
hehe cool
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KlaCkoN
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
Sweden1661 Posts
February 01 2009 21:40 GMT
#4
Lol nice :p
My brother downloaded the exact same virus once =p
I just forced him to reinstall the computer though.
"Voice or no voice the people can always be brought to the bidding of their leaders ... All you have to do is tell them they are being attacked and denounce the pacifists for lack of patriotism and exposing the country to danger."
jodogohoo
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
Canada2533 Posts
February 01 2009 21:41 GMT
#5
A legendary story. I shall pass this down to my children should they get their computers infected.
jimminy_kriket
Profile Blog Joined February 2007
Canada5520 Posts
February 01 2009 21:50 GMT
#6
haha fun story
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HeavOnEarth
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
United States7087 Posts
February 01 2009 21:58 GMT
#7
bwhaah awesome
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Profile Blog Joined November 2006
u gotta skate8152 Posts
February 01 2009 22:05 GMT
#8
lol nice story.
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Disregard
Profile Blog Joined March 2007
China10252 Posts
February 01 2009 22:22 GMT
#9
This rarely happens, I still use Nod32. More reliable than majority of the AVs' out there.
"If I had to take a drug in order to be free, I'm screwed. Freedom exists in the mind, otherwise it doesn't exist."
zer0das
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
United States8519 Posts
February 01 2009 22:48 GMT
#10
Or you could not download shady "virus protection" when you already have anti-virus installed...
BluzMan
Profile Blog Joined April 2006
Russian Federation4235 Posts
February 01 2009 23:23 GMT
#11
On February 02 2009 07:22 Disregard wrote:
This rarely happens, I still use Nod32. More reliable than majority of the AVs' out there.


Well, I've had some experience with it over the last half a year and I must say that I'm very unsatisfied. I still rely on it for resident protection, but when it comes to scanning, it's detection rate is not even in top 5, even though it's a huge commercial brand. I've seen stuff that even Avast roots out (being a freeware AV) that NOD doesn't, and DrWeb's CureIt and Kaspersky online are one step better. Besides, it's heuristic analysis is crap - try to compile asm code where you affect ECX register inside a loop (well, it's crap code, but not nearly a virus) and NOD will raise red alert and prompt you to send the newly-found "malware" to ESET labs for investigation.

At home I use Avast for resident protection, scanning the disks with CureIt about every month. Nothing so far, besides Avast is very gentle about "unsafe code" and has almost zero false alarms.
You want 20 good men, but you need a bad pussy.
Viledica
Profile Joined May 2008
Canada361 Posts
February 01 2009 23:40 GMT
#12
I use NOD32 myself and so far so good, not that I use my home PCs often enough to base whether it's a good Anti-Virus or not though.

Good read, but it won't veer me from sticking with NOD.
Thanks for the heads up.
TonyL2
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
England1953 Posts
February 02 2009 00:00 GMT
#13
Damn I have NOD...
ramen247
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
United States1256 Posts
February 02 2009 00:37 GMT
#14
wat are you talking about... NOD32 is the best AV there can be...
i hate this ugly firebat. i want a marine.
vnlegend
Profile Blog Joined December 2006
United States1389 Posts
February 02 2009 09:07 GMT
#15
On February 02 2009 09:37 ramen247 wrote:
wat are you talking about... NOD32 is the best AV there can be...

He's talking about exactly what he wrote in his blog post, which you just replied to w/o reading.

On another note..

Why did your boss download an anti-virus that calls itself "Windows XP 2008 Anti-Virus"? This is such an obvious fake name. Secondly, the company already has an anti-virus that it has paid for. Seems to me like he was doing something else.
Marines > everything
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