• Log InLog In
  • Register
Liquid`
Team Liquid Liquipedia
EDT 20:25
CET 01:25
KST 09:25
  • Home
  • Forum
  • Calendar
  • Streams
  • Liquipedia
  • Features
  • Store
  • EPT
  • TL+
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Smash
  • Heroes
  • Counter-Strike
  • Overwatch
  • Liquibet
  • Fantasy StarCraft
  • TLPD
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Blogs
Forum Sidebar
Events/Features
News
Featured News
[ASL21] Ro24 Preview Pt1: New Chaos0Team Liquid Map Contest #22 - Presented by Monster Energy7ByuL: The Forgotten Master of ZvT30Behind the Blue - Team Liquid History Book19Clem wins HomeStory Cup 289
Community News
Weekly Cups (March 16-22): herO doubles, Cure surprises3Blizzard Classic Cup @ BlizzCon 2026 - $100k prize pool48Weekly Cups (March 9-15): herO, Clem, ByuN win42026 KungFu Cup Announcement6BGE Stara Zagora 2026 cancelled12
StarCraft 2
General
Potential Updates Coming to the SC2 CN Server What mix of new & old maps do you want in the next ladder pool? (SC2) Blizzard Classic Cup @ BlizzCon 2026 - $100k prize pool Weekly Cups (March 16-22): herO doubles, Cure surprises Weekly Cups (August 25-31): Clem's Last Straw?
Tourneys
WardiTV Mondays Sparkling Tuna Cup - Weekly Open Tournament World University TeamLeague (500$+) | Signups Open RSL Season 4 announced for March-April WardiTV Team League Season 10
Strategy
Custom Maps
[M] (2) Frigid Storage Publishing has been re-enabled! [Feb 24th 2026]
External Content
The PondCast: SC2 News & Results Mutation # 518 Radiation Zone Mutation # 517 Distant Threat Mutation # 516 Specter of Death
Brood War
General
Gypsy to Korea Soulkey's decision to leave C9 mca64Launcher - New Version with StarCraft: Remast BGH Auto Balance -> http://bghmmr.eu/ How much money terran looses from gas steal?
Tourneys
Small VOD Thread 2.0 [ASL21] Ro24 Group C [Megathread] Daily Proleagues [ASL21] Ro24 Group B
Strategy
What's the deal with APM & what's its true value Fighting Spirit mining rates Simple Questions, Simple Answers Soma's 9 hatch build from ASL Game 2
Other Games
General Games
Darkest Dungeon Nintendo Switch Thread Stormgate/Frost Giant Megathread General RTS Discussion Thread Path of Exile
Dota 2
Official 'what is Dota anymore' discussion The Story of Wings Gaming
League of Legends
G2 just beat GenG in First stand
Heroes of the Storm
Simple Questions, Simple Answers Heroes of the Storm 2.0
Hearthstone
Deck construction bug Heroes of StarCraft mini-set
TL Mafia
TL Mafia Community Thread Five o'clock TL Mafia Mafia Game Mode Feedback/Ideas Vanilla Mini Mafia
Community
General
US Politics Mega-thread European Politico-economics QA Mega-thread Canadian Politics Mega-thread Russo-Ukrainian War Thread Things Aren’t Peaceful in Palestine
Fan Clubs
The IdrA Fan Club
Media & Entertainment
[Req][Books] Good Fantasy/SciFi books Movie Discussion! [Manga] One Piece
Sports
Cricket [SPORT] 2024 - 2026 Football Thread Formula 1 Discussion Tokyo Olympics 2021 Thread General nutrition recommendations
World Cup 2022
Tech Support
[G] How to Block Livestream Ads
TL Community
The Automated Ban List
Blogs
Funny Nicknames
LUCKY_NOOB
Money Laundering In Video Ga…
TrAiDoS
Iranian anarchists: organize…
XenOsky
FS++
Kraekkling
Shocked by a laser…
Spydermine0240
Unintentional protectionism…
Uldridge
ASL S21 English Commentary…
namkraft
Customize Sidebar...

Website Feedback

Closed Threads



Active: 2179 users

NOD antivirus and stuff

Blogs > BluzMan
Post a Reply
BluzMan
Profile Blog Joined April 2006
Russian Federation4235 Posts
February 01 2009 21:23 GMT
#1
Preface:

- Last monday, I left work somewhat early, and soon after my leave, my boss (the owner of our firm) was browsing the Internet and downloaded something that identified itself as "Windows XP 2008 Anti-Virus". Sure thing, it didn't function the way he expected and NOD (our corporate antivirus, take notice here!) threw some warning when the thing was launched.

Tuesday morning, I came to work and opened my email to send mails to several people I needed to contact. I sent the mail only to receive it back a few minutes later with a fun commentary: "Tada your mail is blacklisted by SpamCop!". Cool.

Apparently, our corporate external IP has been sending spam to some spam trap of spamcop. A quick inspection on the ISA server has shown a funny thing - random SMTP packets are being sent to all over the world from just one IP - the one the boss owns.

Well, cool, now I know we have a spambot in our system, I even know where it is exactly, so I setup an SMTP filter for that computer, delist from SpamCop to resolve the situation quickly, download CureIt and Kasper and go into his room armed and ready.

NOD, CureIt and Kaspersky find nothing. Well, no, they find some old stuff infected with some random worms, some shit that could be the bot's injector in Temporary Internet Files, but still not the bot itself. Even though three AV programs keep telling me that the machine is clean, it's definetely not as the ISA (it's a huge software firewall in case you didn't know) keeps denying a lot of spam from it.

The situation gets grim. Not that I'm an anti-virus expert, but in most cases, unless you can root the bugger out with some software, it spells doom and a need to reformat. However, there might be a slim chance to kill the virus manually unless it infects some system-critical executable you cannot replace (and even then you can sometimes resolve it just taking the HDD to another computer and copying the dead file from a healthy system). I decide to take chances and look for unknown processes. Nothing! Not a single process that is abnormal or unknown. Killing all theoretically killable processes (except the system-critical svchost and some other processes like NOD) didn't stop it.

Fearing the worst (infected svchost and some loader like winlogon), I launch CPorts (this app detects what networking ports are used by specific processes, it is very handy but often useless as processes can quite easily mask themselves to be invisible to it, being displayed as just Unknown), lookup 25 (SMTP) and... almost fall from my chair.

CPorts detected the spambot. It was in "ekrn.exe". What is ekrn? It's short for ESET Kernel, the kernel of NOD anti-virus. In short, this virus not only wasn't stopped by NOD, it has eaten NOD and sent spam using NOD itself. It was quicky apparent why DrWeb and Kasper didn't find it - as an untold convention, anti-viruses (being practically stuffed with unsafe code) generally restrain from scanning each other to prevent system damage. A masterful move by the injector writer, even though removing the spambot was exactly as easy as reinstalling NOD (unfortunately, we already paid for it, and there are no plans to switch to another, better software).

Now the morale of the story is very simple:

Don't use NOD. Ever.

****
You want 20 good men, but you need a bad pussy.
gm.tOSS
Profile Joined September 2005
Germany898 Posts
February 01 2009 21:31 GMT
#2
Nice read.
HuK HuK HuK | ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ | There is death in the hane.
paper
Profile Blog Joined September 2004
13196 Posts
February 01 2009 21:31 GMT
#3
hehe cool
Hates Fun🤔
KlaCkoN
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
Sweden1661 Posts
February 01 2009 21:40 GMT
#4
Lol nice :p
My brother downloaded the exact same virus once =p
I just forced him to reinstall the computer though.
"Voice or no voice the people can always be brought to the bidding of their leaders ... All you have to do is tell them they are being attacked and denounce the pacifists for lack of patriotism and exposing the country to danger."
jodogohoo
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
Canada2533 Posts
February 01 2009 21:41 GMT
#5
A legendary story. I shall pass this down to my children should they get their computers infected.
jimminy_kriket
Profile Blog Joined February 2007
Canada5529 Posts
February 01 2009 21:50 GMT
#6
haha fun story
life of lively to live to life of full life thx to shield battery
HeavOnEarth
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
United States7087 Posts
February 01 2009 21:58 GMT
#7
bwhaah awesome
"come korea next time... FXO house... 10 korean, 10 korean"
KizZBG
Profile Blog Joined November 2006
u gotta skate8152 Posts
February 01 2009 22:05 GMT
#8
lol nice story.
eSTRO for life | #2 Sea.Really fan! | #1 GosI[Flying] fan! | Clide - best SC2 terran!
Disregard
Profile Blog Joined March 2007
China10252 Posts
February 01 2009 22:22 GMT
#9
This rarely happens, I still use Nod32. More reliable than majority of the AVs' out there.
"If I had to take a drug in order to be free, I'm screwed. Freedom exists in the mind, otherwise it doesn't exist."
zer0das
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
United States8519 Posts
February 01 2009 22:48 GMT
#10
Or you could not download shady "virus protection" when you already have anti-virus installed...
BluzMan
Profile Blog Joined April 2006
Russian Federation4235 Posts
February 01 2009 23:23 GMT
#11
On February 02 2009 07:22 Disregard wrote:
This rarely happens, I still use Nod32. More reliable than majority of the AVs' out there.


Well, I've had some experience with it over the last half a year and I must say that I'm very unsatisfied. I still rely on it for resident protection, but when it comes to scanning, it's detection rate is not even in top 5, even though it's a huge commercial brand. I've seen stuff that even Avast roots out (being a freeware AV) that NOD doesn't, and DrWeb's CureIt and Kaspersky online are one step better. Besides, it's heuristic analysis is crap - try to compile asm code where you affect ECX register inside a loop (well, it's crap code, but not nearly a virus) and NOD will raise red alert and prompt you to send the newly-found "malware" to ESET labs for investigation.

At home I use Avast for resident protection, scanning the disks with CureIt about every month. Nothing so far, besides Avast is very gentle about "unsafe code" and has almost zero false alarms.
You want 20 good men, but you need a bad pussy.
Viledica
Profile Joined May 2008
Canada361 Posts
February 01 2009 23:40 GMT
#12
I use NOD32 myself and so far so good, not that I use my home PCs often enough to base whether it's a good Anti-Virus or not though.

Good read, but it won't veer me from sticking with NOD.
Thanks for the heads up.
TonyL2
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
England1953 Posts
February 02 2009 00:00 GMT
#13
Damn I have NOD...
ramen247
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
United States1256 Posts
February 02 2009 00:37 GMT
#14
wat are you talking about... NOD32 is the best AV there can be...
i hate this ugly firebat. i want a marine.
vnlegend
Profile Blog Joined December 2006
United States1389 Posts
February 02 2009 09:07 GMT
#15
On February 02 2009 09:37 ramen247 wrote:
wat are you talking about... NOD32 is the best AV there can be...

He's talking about exactly what he wrote in his blog post, which you just replied to w/o reading.

On another note..

Why did your boss download an anti-virus that calls itself "Windows XP 2008 Anti-Virus"? This is such an obvious fake name. Secondly, the company already has an anti-virus that it has paid for. Seems to me like he was doing something else.
Marines > everything
Please log in or register to reply.
Live Events Refresh
Replay Cast
00:00
Korean StarCraft League #87
CranKy Ducklings69
LiquipediaDiscussion
OSC
18:00
OSC Elite Rising Star #18
SteadfastSC49
Liquipedia
[ Submit Event ]
Live Streams
Refresh
StarCraft 2
JuggernautJason105
SteadfastSC 50
Vindicta 16
RuFF_SC2 2
StarCraft: Brood War
GuemChi 4874
soO 28
NaDa 15
Rock 8
League of Legends
Cuddl3bear14
Counter-Strike
fl0m791
taco 20
Super Smash Bros
hungrybox442
C9.Mang0352
PPMD34
Other Games
summit1g7923
tarik_tv4525
shahzam372
ViBE66
minikerr6
Organizations
Other Games
BasetradeTV160
StarCraft 2
Blizzard YouTube
StarCraft: Brood War
BSLTrovo
sctven
[ Show 19 non-featured ]
StarCraft 2
• davetesta40
• RyuSc2 29
• mYiSmile111
• CranKy Ducklings SOOP3
• EnkiAlexander 2
• Migwel
• sooper7s
• LaughNgamezSOOP
• IndyKCrew
• Kozan
• intothetv
• AfreecaTV YouTube
StarCraft: Brood War
• RayReign 56
• sM.Zik 1
• BSLYoutube
• STPLYoutube
• ZZZeroYoutube
League of Legends
• Doublelift3040
Other Games
• Scarra725
Upcoming Events
WardiTV Team League
11h 35m
Big Brain Bouts
16h 35m
Fjant vs SortOf
YoungYakov vs Krystianer
Reynor vs HeRoMaRinE
RSL Revival
1d 9h
Cure vs Zoun
herO vs Rogue
WardiTV Team League
1d 11h
Platinum Heroes Events
1d 14h
BSL
1d 19h
RSL Revival
2 days
ByuN vs Maru
MaxPax vs TriGGeR
WardiTV Team League
2 days
BSL
2 days
Replay Cast
2 days
[ Show More ]
Replay Cast
3 days
Afreeca Starleague
3 days
Light vs Calm
Royal vs Mind
Wardi Open
3 days
Monday Night Weeklies
3 days
OSC
3 days
Sparkling Tuna Cup
4 days
Afreeca Starleague
4 days
Rush vs PianO
Flash vs Speed
Replay Cast
5 days
Afreeca Starleague
5 days
BeSt vs Leta
Queen vs Jaedong
Replay Cast
5 days
The PondCast
6 days
Replay Cast
6 days
Liquipedia Results

Completed

KCM Race Survival 2026 Season 1
WardiTV Winter 2026
Underdog Cup #3

Ongoing

BSL Season 22
CSL Elite League 2026
CSL Season 20: Qualifier 1
ASL Season 21
Acropolis #4 - TS6
RSL Revival: Season 4
Nations Cup 2026
NationLESS Cup
BLAST Open Spring 2026
ESL Pro League S23 Finals
ESL Pro League S23 Stage 1&2
PGL Cluj-Napoca 2026
IEM Kraków 2026
BLAST Bounty Winter 2026
BLAST Bounty Winter Qual

Upcoming

2026 Changsha Offline CUP
CSL Season 20: Qualifier 2
CSL 2026 SPRING (S20)
Acropolis #4
IPSL Spring 2026
BSL 22 Non-Korean Championship
CSLAN 4
Kung Fu Cup 2026 Grand Finals
HSC XXIX
uThermal 2v2 2026 Main Event
IEM Cologne Major 2026
Stake Ranked Episode 2
CS Asia Championships 2026
IEM Atlanta 2026
Asian Champions League 2026
PGL Astana 2026
BLAST Rivals Spring 2026
CCT Season 3 Global Finals
IEM Rio 2026
PGL Bucharest 2026
Stake Ranked Episode 1
TLPD

1. ByuN
2. TY
3. Dark
4. Solar
5. Stats
6. Nerchio
7. sOs
8. soO
9. INnoVation
10. Elazer
1. Rain
2. Flash
3. EffOrt
4. Last
5. Bisu
6. Soulkey
7. Mini
8. Sharp
Sidebar Settings...

Advertising | Privacy Policy | Terms Of Use | Contact Us

Original banner artwork: Jim Warren
The contents of this webpage are copyright © 2026 TLnet. All Rights Reserved.