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YEAHHHH BOIIII
United States238 Posts
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Carnivorous Sheep
Baa?21243 Posts
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Avidkeystamper
United States8552 Posts
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Letmelose
Korea (South)3227 Posts
On February 01 2009 19:12 Jyvblamo wrote: Jaedong has 1, not 2, MSL titles. Also, Jaedong never won all 3 major leagues at once; his win in the MSL came in the season after his OSL win. Thanks for the correction. No player has won all three leagues simultaneously ever since the formation of the Proleague. Nada is the only player to win both individual leagues simultaneously. Jaedong's triumph in the three major competitions all happened within the 2007 season, something only Nal Ra and Oov has achieved. Jaedong did win the three leagues within a three month period though. | ||
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Polyphasic
United States841 Posts
On February 01 2009 15:56 Atrioc wrote: About the JD/fOrGG finals... I made the livereport thread for it and spent a shit ton of time photoshopping pictures and getting stats (did this for all the semifinal games too), and was just generally super involved in the Arena MSL. So when I say that I was absolutely disgusted with the map pool its not something I'm saying lightly. Excluding maybe Club Day, that was easily the most frusting as hell MSL of all time because of how poor the maps were. 100% agree with your thoughts on it. Just seeing the map preview for Tiamat makes me throw up in my mouth *edit* Lol heres a tidbit from that thread ![[image loading]](http://i34.tinypic.com/33ykvbd.jpg) Terran vs Zerg stats Lol at the 100%. wtf is that. someone shoot whoever drew the map pool. | ||
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stambe
Bulgaria492 Posts
On February 01 2009 20:58 Polyphasic wrote: Lol at the 100%. wtf is that. someone shoot whoever drew the map pool. Every one of the four maps in the pool for the MSL have to be played in a BO5. We should be happy Tiamat wasn't drawn for 1st and 5th game  | ||
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Purind
Canada3562 Posts
On February 01 2009 19:12 Jyvblamo wrote: Jaedong has 1, not 2, MSL titles. Also, Jaedong never won all 3 major leagues at once; his win in the MSL came in the season after his OSL win. Maybe it would be better to say that Jaedong was holding 3 titles at the same time. I think he won MSL before OSL was over, so he had the MSL title, and the OSL title from the previous season before a new OSL champ was crowned | ||
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Scaramanga
Australia8090 Posts
since when is kpga not considered an msl | ||
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anderoo
Canada1876 Posts
Pretty much every zerg does Go Jaedong! | ||
MrHoon
10183 Posts
But fuck yeah jd/savior | ||
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Letmelose
Korea (South)3227 Posts
On February 01 2009 23:48 Scaramanga wrote: Half these are just pointless stats, the others have major flaws since when is kpga not considered an msl The reason why the two major individual leagues and the proleague to a lesser extent are regarded as the most important competitions is not only because they have been going on for quite some time, but because they are open competitions where any competent gamer can make his mark if he has the skills. This is why people don't regard other tournaments as importantly because they are not open to every gamer. KPGA leagues and the MSL are not the same competition even if they were run by the same broadcasting company. There are two reasons why I differentiate between the two. 1) The 1st KPGA was an invitational tournament. Considering even less famous tournments like Ghem TV leagues and the 2nd Premier League had qualifying stages, this really does put a question mark on whether the 1st KPGA should be put on the same level as the MSL competitions that followed after. 2) I'm not sure exactly when OGN and MBC Game arranged their schedules so that they wouldn't overlap, but in its infancy, MBC Game had overlapping schedules with OGN leagues. So players had to choose between the two leagues in certain situations. So where I do I draw the line? Do I start counting from the 1st KPGA tournament like most people do, even though it was an invitational tournament? If Gom leagues eventually become recognized as a "major competition", do I start counting from their invitational league that Flash won? If we're just counting all competitions ran by MBC Game, why don't we include the monthly tournaments that started this lineage of MBC Game leagues? Or should I start counting from the time they had separate schedules so that OGN league schedules no longer affected the participants of the league? In my eyes, Boxer and Nada never won the MSL. Their time came before it. I believe MBC Game officially records the 1st KPGA as the first majore MBC Game tournament, but I think it's just their way of saying they've been doing the business for a long time. It's kind of like the changes we've seen in the Proleague. I think we should be aware of the fact that Proleague used to be just one of the team leagues in the past, and the fact that the 5 day system was only introduced in 2007. So when we see the "official match statistics" and ELO points calculated from it, I believe that people should take into consideration that the system we see today has only been completed very recently. Boxer had his peak in an era where OSL and WCG is the only surviving competition of merit that survives today, Nada's peak was at a time when MBC Game just started to venture out into the progaming scene, Oov's era came when the system of "two major individual leagues" was completed but had separate team leagues, Savior had his time at the top when the trio of OSL, MSL and Proleague (in it's 3 days a week form) was completed. The changes we've seen in the progaming scene is so great that it does make most statistics that I've listed no more useful than say, comparing ELO peaks of different progamers throughout the era. With the way things are, judging players by a certain pointing system, their trophy count or their winning percentages are never going to be an accurate method of measuring a player's greatness. That's why I've emphasized time and time again that Jaedong was "so and so... statistically speaking". The issues we have such as map balance or a player's greatness is fun to talk about because we're never going to come to the same conclusion. Statistics only tell a part of the story, fans have different opinions, even people in the field (progamers, coaches and commentators) have various opinions on these things. I'm in no position to judge Jaedong purely from a gaming point of view, because I fear I would do him no justice and there are clearly better qualified people who can appreciate his genius more completely and share it with the rest of us. I tend to read pieces by people like Garimto, who can really go deeper into the discussion about Jaedong than I ever will be able to. Me? I'm just your regular fan and I just wrote down some random (and ultimately useless) facts and thoughts on Jaedong because it's fun to do so. Knowing that Jaedong having the highest career winning percentage is no more useful than Flash having the highest ELO peak ever, but it's fun to share these things and discuss what they mean. | ||
disciple
9070 Posts
![[image loading]](http://i436.photobucket.com/albums/qq83/monsuey/jdbackcopy.jpg) | ||
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rgfdxm
United States239 Posts
Map bias against zerg in modern times is unforgivable and should be an embarrassment to the industry. It's not enough to look back at Shinhan 3 and say "yeah man, Savior was so awesome even maps couldn't stop him." The fact that Savior was too ridiculously good to lose during that season is no excuse for the travesty that has been the map selection for basically the whole time I've been following progaming. This is a mature industry; map design is well understood. For the most part the balance issues of these maps are well-known at the time of their introduction. I appreciate innovative maps and that balance on them will be unpredictable (Arcadia, Hitchhiker, Arkanoid, Monty Hall, etc.), but limiting such unknowns to a map a season or something, and making sure at least most of the map pool is decently balanced, is easily achievable. I'm not particularly a Jaedong fan, but man was Jaedong robbed. I mean for his career, not just that one finals. But speaking of the finals, Jaedong was robbed by maps there too. And for that matter, so was ForGG. Why do you think people discredit his win? | ||
IntoTheWow
is awesome32274 Posts
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DreaM)XeRO
Korea (South)4667 Posts
neo-Savior | ||
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DreaM)XeRO
Korea (South)4667 Posts
BISU FOR THE OSL/GOM WIN NEXT BONJWA JD HAS NOTHING ON HIM NIGAAAAHHH BISU > SAVIOR > JAEDONG > FLASH > STORK | ||
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sh02hp0869
Sweden460 Posts
JD vs bisu 4-2 stork 6-4 (with the games from wcg) JangBi 2-0 or (4-0 with gomTv I belive) Free 6-7 Best 4-2 Kal 4-3 Flash 10-6 (with gom finals inkluded) Leta 1-0 ForGG 0-3 UpMagiC 6-1 The Berserker 2-0 Mind 3-4 FBH 0-2 Fantasy 1-0 Hwasin 5-4 Light 6-3 Sea 5-4 Nada 4-1 YellOw 1-1? (acording to tlpd, but I do think they have encounter at least 2 times more). Luxury 5-2 Effort 1-0 The "BIG" July 1-1 Savior 2-2 | ||
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Ideas
United States8100 Posts
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PH
United States6173 Posts
On February 02 2009 04:51 Ideas wrote: the only reason I believe JD loses most of the games he loses is because of overconfidence. He will get overconfident in a game (like if he gets ahead) and make a really dumb decision and totally blow his lead (such as vs Kal on andromeda the group of 12 lurkers wtf). No, it must've been like eighteen T_T. That made me cry. | ||
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