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On January 17 2009 03:25 Klockan3 wrote:Almost, stuff I heard on discovery 10 years ago helps me pass exams sometimes Show nested quote +On January 17 2009 02:08 Ghardo wrote:
because you, respectively your brain filters information and if you, respectively your brain decides these information are useless/unimportant/boring they are being deleted.
Probably, but when people who really want to learn the subjects since they will need them later and they know that they will need it why do they forget? Do they just not want to learn it enough? Or is the want imaginary and they really is indifferent about it?
On January 17 2009 03:42 Klockan3 wrote:
But I remember a lot of shit which I was completely uninterested in.
your longterm memory is just naturally very good - why is that so hard to understand?
you cite that there are people wo really want to learn stuff but can't remember later though you remember things from 10 years ago which you just consumed by the way... what does that tell you?
there are people who can run faster than others and there are people who can take the n-th root of 28937298739827398273892 in their heads while others can not. people are different. and our brains are not equally powerful.
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You realise the point of pretty much everything in highschool, and anything after that you wont use, isn't about what you learn, but how ( and the fact that) you learn it, right?
They're teaching you structure, and how to be a hard worker for a future jobs where that kind of dedication matters.
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On January 17 2009 04:07 Ghardo wrote:Show nested quote +On January 17 2009 03:25 Klockan3 wrote:Almost, stuff I heard on discovery 10 years ago helps me pass exams sometimes On January 17 2009 02:08 Ghardo wrote:
because you, respectively your brain filters information and if you, respectively your brain decides these information are useless/unimportant/boring they are being deleted.
Probably, but when people who really want to learn the subjects since they will need them later and they know that they will need it why do they forget? Do they just not want to learn it enough? Or is the want imaginary and they really is indifferent about it? Show nested quote +On January 17 2009 03:42 Klockan3 wrote:
But I remember a lot of shit which I was completely uninterested in. your longterm memory is just naturally very good - why is that so hard to understand? you cite that there are people wo really want to learn stuff but can't remember later though you remember things from 10 years ago which you just consumed by the way... what does that tell you? there are people who can run faster than others and there are people who can take the n-th root of 28937298739827398273892 in their heads while others can not. people are different. and our brains are not equally powerful.
But for me that is hard to understand. I just believe that people go in on education and learning in general in completely wrong ways, kinda like how physicists tried to find the aether for a century before Einstein came and set things straight.
On January 17 2009 04:15 Divinek wrote:
You realise the point of pretty much everything in highschool, and anything after that you wont use, isn't about what you learn, but how ( and the fact that) you learn it, right?
They're teaching you structure, and how to be a hard worker for a future jobs where that kind of dedication matters.
I more see it as some machine and people noticed that if they threw in babies on one end some of them came out as well educated people so they started throwing everything they had into it and then hoping that everything turns out well.
Edit: I hate how the only questions I am interested in asking are questions none have answers for  Sucks to remember, then life stops being interesting.
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On January 17 2009 04:16 Klockan3 wrote:Show nested quote +On January 17 2009 04:07 Ghardo wrote:On January 17 2009 03:25 Klockan3 wrote:Almost, stuff I heard on discovery 10 years ago helps me pass exams sometimes On January 17 2009 02:08 Ghardo wrote:
because you, respectively your brain filters information and if you, respectively your brain decides these information are useless/unimportant/boring they are being deleted.
Probably, but when people who really want to learn the subjects since they will need them later and they know that they will need it why do they forget? Do they just not want to learn it enough? Or is the want imaginary and they really is indifferent about it? On January 17 2009 03:42 Klockan3 wrote:
But I remember a lot of shit which I was completely uninterested in. your longterm memory is just naturally very good - why is that so hard to understand? you cite that there are people wo really want to learn stuff but can't remember later though you remember things from 10 years ago which you just consumed by the way... what does that tell you? there are people who can run faster than others and there are people who can take the n-th root of 28937298739827398273892 in their heads while others can not. people are different. and our brains are not equally powerful. But for me that is hard to understand. I just believe that people go in on education and learning in general in completely wrong ways, kinda like how physicists tried to find the aether for a century before Einstein came and set things straight.
that's definitely true but it's not the MAIN reason. you watched some tv show 10 years ago without a certain "learn-methodical-approach" and still remember stuff other people have long forgotten. so it comes down to "natural talent".
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People just stop actively "learning" after school, they assosiate learning with bad things so they stop, and so their mental ability decreases, which affects their memory; much more their entire mind.
Memory decreases in anything without review, its good to reread a class note for instance soon after you took it, then reread it again a week later or so which further enforces it. Doing it in that way been scientifically proven to retain memory better, it's actually a good thing, if we remembered everything we learned our minds would be chaotic and remember things that are trivial and uninportant. sure you gotta work at something to remember it, but you need to tell that to your brain somehow.
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On January 17 2009 04:29 Ghardo wrote:Show nested quote +On January 17 2009 04:16 Klockan3 wrote:On January 17 2009 04:07 Ghardo wrote:On January 17 2009 03:25 Klockan3 wrote:Almost, stuff I heard on discovery 10 years ago helps me pass exams sometimes On January 17 2009 02:08 Ghardo wrote:
because you, respectively your brain filters information and if you, respectively your brain decides these information are useless/unimportant/boring they are being deleted.
Probably, but when people who really want to learn the subjects since they will need them later and they know that they will need it why do they forget? Do they just not want to learn it enough? Or is the want imaginary and they really is indifferent about it? On January 17 2009 03:42 Klockan3 wrote:
But I remember a lot of shit which I was completely uninterested in. your longterm memory is just naturally very good - why is that so hard to understand? you cite that there are people wo really want to learn stuff but can't remember later though you remember things from 10 years ago which you just consumed by the way... what does that tell you? there are people who can run faster than others and there are people who can take the n-th root of 28937298739827398273892 in their heads while others can not. people are different. and our brains are not equally powerful. But for me that is hard to understand. I just believe that people go in on education and learning in general in completely wrong ways, kinda like how physicists tried to find the aether for a century before Einstein came and set things straight. that's definitely true but it's not the MAIN reason. you watched some tv show 10 years ago without a certain "learn-methodical-approach" and still remember stuff other people have long forgotten. so it comes down to "natural talent".
But for me that is nothing special, I just assume that everyone else do the same things daily. You know, it is impossible to gauge others long term memory, but in a it way dawns on me more and more how much other forgets and every time I realize a bit more I get all 
And I am always afraid that I think too highly of myself, like my memory is not really perfect since sometimes it takes a bit of time to recall things and I do never got perfect clarity so maybe I am just thinking that I remember most things since I have forgotten everything I do not remember and as such I get a skewed interpretation on my memory capabilities.
But there are the small things that makes me doubt that its that easy, like I made some test at a psychiatrist a few years ago where I was supposed to watch a figure of various geometric shapes put together and then I was supposed to redraw it instantly after it was shown to me and then also 10 minutes after. The thing is that I still remember most of it, and it was just arbitrary shapes put together, nothing to really relate anything.
But then I think that I cheated, I thought at the time "It would be cool to remember this shape for our next meeting" which means that I did put emotions and a reason to remember it, meaning that it was not just a random thing.
On January 17 2009 04:45 D4EMON wrote:
People just stop actively "learning" after school, they assosiate learning with bad things so they stop, and so their mental ability decreases, which affects their memory; much more their entire mind.
Memory decreases in anything without review, its good to reread a class note for instance soon after you took it, then reread it again a week later or so which further enforces it. Doing it in that way been scientifically proven to retain memory better, it's actually a good thing, if we remembered everything we learned our minds would be chaotic and remember things that are trivial and uninportant. sure you gotta work at something to remember it, but you need to tell that to your brain somehow.
But don't you believe that there are faster ways to put things into your long term memory? Why would there be need for "working it in"?
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I have thought about this long and hard (that's what she said), and the conclusion I came to was:
The methods of teaching and learning are aimed towards having students do well on tests, not aimed towards them "being educated." Therefore, once the tests are over, students forget what they have learned because it is no longer important.
edit: grammar
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School makes things less interesting and encourages mundane learning off. It also reduces your concentration levels, although that might be due to me generally paying attention in class a lot so I have to do very minimal work for good grades.
To best way to do science or maths is to practice past questions, because there is the same old shit (which you learn by writing it out again and again in various different Q's) but they generally put in some things that are abstract and require thought to filter through the 'A students'. Though from what I see there isn't any set in stone exams in some countries except like the SAT, but that not like phys/chem or anything.
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Wanna know do the 100000000 studies on how long term memory is stored because it's known to be all over the brain but it's just confusing.
i think it's something like
When you get older your brain kinda hardens human brains tends to like to specialize so basically when you get older take up a job and get a routine your mind tries to optimize that and specialize into that area and the other info is porb still there just kinda lost.
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On January 17 2009 05:53 IzzyCraft wrote:
but it's just confusing.
I agree, which is why very little is known on the subject compared to short term. That is why it is so much more interesting to discuss long term.
Anyhow, since long term memory is triggered from emotions and such would it be possible to utilize drugs to increase long term memory?
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Memories are reinforced when you recall them. If you review something for a few minutes each day for a week, you'll remember it for a long time, whereas if you learn everything one day and only recall it the next day for a test, you'll have trouble remembering most of it after a few weeks. Wish I'd learned that in school. =/
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bc 1. its boring and 2. we learn new things.
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It changed completely for me when I started college I really like my classes and I remember most of it
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i always attributed this to being the difference between what i consider "remembering" and what i consider "learning". at some point i guess you could say that learning is just memory-based, but im pretty sure neurologically-wise, theres a difference between learning and simply remembering.
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Schools in the US teach to pass tests now. They suck.
When you're not doing that, you're getting your brain filled with useless bullshit.
Anything that is useful, it's the old, 'you don't use it, you lose it' thing. Think languages—I took Italian 3 years in HS and a semester in college, and I outside of telling someone to go fuck themselves, I really don't remember much.
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There's a reason people go to highschool[AKA general knowledge] and start specifying as they age. For example, calculus. Calculus has nothing to do with "traditional math," at least where I am from, but so many university courses require that you have it, thus you take it in highschool. From this you can say you're "specifying" or "differentiating" what you want to do in the future.
I don't see the issue with it. If its important, you'll remember it. If not, why should it matter?
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Well first of all, you say you learn at school. Not everyone does, and they could learn more efficiently from picking up books as long as they can set a steady pace for themselves and have the willpower not to slack off.
School is for shiny paper.
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On January 17 2009 06:04 SonuvBob wrote:
Memories are reinforced when you recall them. If you review something for a few minutes each day for a week, you'll remember it for a long time, whereas if you learn everything one day and only recall it the next day for a test, you'll have trouble remembering most of it after a few weeks. Wish I'd learned that in school. =/
I learned this in school :p
Anyways, there's a forgetting curve that you have to combat if you want to store things in your long term memory.
The forgetting curve by Ebbinhaus shows that you really don't remember most of what you learn.
So yeah, the best thing you can do is break up your studying and make multiple passes. And for god sakes, study something you are interested in.
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On January 17 2009 07:41 Athos wrote:
The forgetting curve by Ebbinhaus shows that you really don't remember most of what you learn.
Is that curve for real? Do you forget that much?
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To me it's just that shit I learned in High school was so useless. Like American History? English literature??....come on, lol.
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