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"Heyyyyyy, yeah, nexus 1-3 isn't so bad. If you use mouse to build the probe, then it doesn't matter what hotkey the nexus is. If you use your nexus hotkey to center around your nexus (like hitting 11) then it doesn't matter what hotkey probe is. Besides, let's assume that most of the time, your left hand is on the left side of the keyboard. So when you decide to build a probe, you go "move hand to the right" --> "hit 0" --> "hit p" --> "move hand to the left". I would go "hit 1" --> "move hand to the right" --> "hit p" --> "move hand to the left". So whenever you only have 1 nexus hotkeyed, it doesn't make a difference. And for more than 1 nexus hotkeyed, I prefer "hit 1" --> "click" --> "hit 2" --> "click" --> "hit 3" --> "click". This might be a fraction of a second slower than 0p9p8p, but if you take into account that my hand stays to the left, in its default position, the whole time, I prefer mine. Also, having your 3 nexuses hotkeyed 1 2 3 makes it easy to go 11 22 33 to check everything, and to make your probes collect when they've finished building.
and yeah, I realize that using F2 F3 F4 counters some of the arguments of using 11 22 33, etc, but they don't resolve everything. And also, my system frees F2 F3 F4 for other things."
rS.Nony (aka newb)
Summary: Nony clicked to build probes! (and while I say he newb, somehow he was still quite gosu back then; I'm assuming he's not doing this now, but I havn't checked his rep hotkeys recently).
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=50939¤tpage=2
That's the thread. Excellent hotkey posts by none other than the storm observer tasteless. I'm prob c level iccup, but his posts and general thoughts on efficient hotkeying have made me change my style and I'm losing to Ds-_-
 
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On November 30 2008 11:55 -_- wrote:
I'm prob c level iccup, but his posts and general thoughts on efficient hotkeying have made me change my style and I'm losing to Ds-_-
crai moar nuub
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C level was never good nub
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Artosis
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nony still clicks to make probes.
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What's wrong with clicking to make probes?
You are so fail -_-
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Why not click to make probes? o.o
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click ftw  hotkey is cool tho
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lol, NonY always did that man. He was good well before that ^^
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I just tried playing a game where my nexuses were 1-3, my gates 4-7, and my units 8-0 using patrol :O It was neato. My macro was rly good :X
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On November 30 2008 12:08 Chef wrote:
What's wrong with clicking to make probes?
You are so fail -_-
Click the thread and read the posts from tasteless. He explains it pretty well.
Certainly not saying good players can't click build probes, they just have to make up for that inferior mechanic with better skills elsewhere. Plus, if you've played a long time, changing your style is very hard.
And god in heaven don't say "you are so fail" cuz that's so FAIL LOL
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Clicking is the new P-ing mother fucker.
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Here's what tasteless says first.
"anyone who put hotkeys for nexus as 1-3 is a newb.
ALWAYS hotkey your nexus as 0-9 and robo bay as 8 or 7. just look at your hands when you play. it makes NO sense to hotkey your nexus as 1 becuase of the distance required for your fingers to travel from 1 to the 'p' key on the keyboard.
hotkey gateways 4-7 becuase your pinky can then easily hit the 'z' and 'd' key while traveling back to the number keys on the top."
Then he talks about hand size and how maybe people with small hands would prefer the 1-3. I actually disagree with that, and think that 1-3 would initially be better for people w/ small hand, and they would then learn to rely on it.
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ALWAYS hotkey your nexus as 0-9 and robo bay as 8 or 7. just look at your hands when you play. it makes NO sense to hotkey your nexus as 1 becuase of the distance required for your fingers to travel from 1 to the 'p' key on the keyboard.
Which is completely counteracted by the fact that the build probe command is a mouse movement, not a keyboard movement. With Nony's style, it's much easier to run probes away from impending doom, because your fingers are already at that side of the keyboard.
Personally, I've always done 9-0, but that's just because I'm used to it.
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On November 30 2008 12:35 Chef wrote:Show nested quote +
ALWAYS hotkey your nexus as 0-9 and robo bay as 8 or 7. just look at your hands when you play. it makes NO sense to hotkey your nexus as 1 becuase of the distance required for your fingers to travel from 1 to the 'p' key on the keyboard.
Which is completely counteracted by the fact that the build probe command is a mouse movement, not a keyboard movement. With Nony's style, it's much easier to run probes away from impending doom, because your fingers are already at that side of the keyboard. Personally, I've always done 9-0, but that's just because I'm used to it.
SHIT. I'm newb. Wrong quotes.
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I see what your saying becuase i used to use this setup aswell. My contention is that all the korean progamers hold their hands a specific way. If you showed up in Korea to become a progamer and they saw you clicking on probes you'd get laughed at. You should always be hitting 0p0p0p at the start of the game and not clicking on the probe button. Your mouse will be more free to micro and if you hotkey an attacking unit as 8 or 7 early you can produce probes and even attack micro your units (using the patrol button) without moving your hands all over the keyboard. In fact, i believe korean proteams such as SK Telecom require their players to hold their hands in a very specific way.
I've seen many Korean progamers play and they all seem to do this. I've also noticed that at the WCG world finals the higher ranking protoss players hold their hands like i have explained while the ones who do not make it out of their groups use their mouse to build units.
I would also think that you would spend more time looking at your nexus or the bottom right side of the screen than watching your units or your opponents base or even the minimap assuming someone was using your method. Since your using your mouse to make probes any micro required in the instant such as microing a scouting probe away from a marine might case your probe production to be slowed down. Your method allows for a higher possiblity of delayed probe production and a higher risk of micro errors.
With this being said i have seen many sucessful players such as yourself using diffrent hand methods than the ones i have proposed. But i feel that using " 0p9p " is an overall more effeicent method than the one you have given. However i think there is a distint pattern seen in the hand positions of the overall most sucessful players in the history of the game and that cannot be ignored
Some people then brought up how some progamers hotkey nexus to 3, but I think they pinky on 3 pointer on P.
Talking more about click producing here, but I think it applies here.
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this is exactly why forigners fucking suck at this game. STOP FUCKING CLICKING WHEN YOU DON'T HAVE TO. if you really play starcraft all the time (and if you read tl.net then you do) then you should get the dicipline to actually get good at how the game is supposed to be played. if your not using EVERY hotkey on the keyboard (and a shitton of forigners don't) and that includes the f2 f3 f4 keys then i can't even fathom why you would be playing in the first place. If you can't off the top of your head say what every hotkey is for every action with your own race you should be ashamed of yourself (i'm not implying LastRomantic dosn't).
If you don't know this, just go into single player, type the coes in, and start mastering this shit.
this game is more fun when you utilize the keyboard. you have more control over the game. all it takes is practice. Everyone who is reading this look at your keyboard right now. Look at your left shift key. Do you still have the windows and printer keys on your keyboard??... if you do you should feel like a god damn newb. take a pencile and break them off now. With this out of the way you can access shift and ctrl easily no mater what location your hands are on the keyboard.
practice practice practice! if i see another post on this thread with someone telling me that mass clicking is some how more efficent than using hotkey patterns i'm going to upercut my monotor out of sheer frustration. i can do 4d5d6d7d8d9d0d in litterally half a second while still watching the minimap for a terran dropship.
if this keyboard stuff is really that hard to figure out then set a coustom game on slow vs a computer and watch your hands while you play. you'll be amazed at all the keys you could have been accessing easily instead of frantically clicking on shit with your eyes at the bottom right hand of the screen.
at times my girlfriend watches me play. she asked me what i was doing with my left hand when i played. i showed her some simple patterns i follow. after 15 mintues she could go 4d5d6d7d8d9d0 with ease.
I apologize if i sound bitter... but there is a massive missunderstanding in the forigner community about clicking over hotkey usage; also known as "Forigner style," the term koreans use for our excessive amount of clicking, and is looked upon as a joke in korea.
start training now Last edit: 2007-05-13 19:21:55
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tho truthfully if you could write a good explanation as to why point clicking for probes is better I'd be interested to hear.
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I used to use 0 nexus.
Now I use 3 as nexus.
Because I use 2 as scout, it's a huge jump for me to go from 0 to 2 and back again. I lose scouts in games because I couldn't get to "2" fast enough, and therefore has cost me the game. Sorry, for the time being, unless you can convince me otherwise, I'm sticking with 3.
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On November 30 2008 12:51 Seraphim wrote:
I used to use 0 nexus.
Now I use 3 as nexus.
Because I use 2 as scout, it's a huge jump for me to go from 0 to 2 and back again. I lose scouts in games because I couldn't get to "2" fast enough, and therefore has cost me the game. Sorry, for the time being, unless you can convince me otherwise, I'm sticking with 3.
Tasteless talked about that too! Put your scout on 8. Put your retard finger (that non-dexterous one by your pinky) on 8, middle finger on 0, and use pointer to press P.
This prob makes sense to you, but if you try it in a game it will be HARD.
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It doesn't really make a difference.
Probes are just about the only unit you queue so the extra millisecond of speed isn't that important. During the time of the game where probe production is most constant, you don't need to use every second of your 150 protoss apm anyway.
It doesn't hurt. It isn't necessarily better, but if that's his style, so be it.
Are you going to call NaDa a noob because he clicks to build units occasionally? There is no one right way to do anything.
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On November 30 2008 12:55 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
It doesn't really make a difference.
Probes are just about the only unit you queue so the extra millisecond of speed isn't that important. During the time of the game where probe production is most constant, you don't need to use every second of your 150 protoss apm anyway.
It doesn't hurt. It isn't necessarily better, but if that's his style, so be it.
Are you going to call NaDa a noob because he clicks to build units occasionally? There is no one right way to do anything.
We're talking about clickbuilding PROBES. PROBES. PROBES.
And I'm pretty sure Nony clicks all the time, not just early game.
(if anyone's interested in giving a well thought out protoss hotkey theory I would love it! Do you build buildings and units in different way depending on your hand positions? Stuff like that)
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