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Augury
Profile Blog Joined September 2008
United States758 Posts
November 28 2008 23:16 GMT
#41
You guys are looking too much into it.

WoW is really easy to play, so you can watch TV while playing it and just relax. Not everyone wants to play 'competitive' video games. There's also a really strong social aspect to it. WoW gives players a lot to talk about in the game and if you add that to normal conversation in general, it's very easy to have a conversation on WoW.

WoW is a great game, it's just not a competitive game, so people should stop trying to make it into one.
Fzero
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
United States1503 Posts
November 28 2008 23:45 GMT
#42
The point is WoW can be anything you want. I'm not saying it is the greatest game ever made. I don't even play anymore -- However, if you want to be in a competitive guild racing for world firsts beating the hardest content with the softest gear etc; you can do that. If you want to hang out with 5 RL friends and just do casual shit and run instances after work; you can do that. The world is masterfully crafted by a company that makes billions of dollars. There is really limitless potential for that type of game since you are continually paying it for it, they continually make it better. Most games don't have that draw/capability.
Never give up on something that you can't go a day without thinking about.
InfeSteD
Profile Blog Joined December 2006
United States4658 Posts
November 28 2008 23:59 GMT
#43
On November 28 2008 16:54 Humbug wrote:
This is a really long post, so I'm just going to put spoiler tags to avoid having people run into paragraphs of text.

+ Show Spoiler +
After years and years of lurking on these forums, I think I have finally found a thread to make my first post in. (I'm really sorry for the long post, but WoW is something I am very passionate about)

To answer the first question, there isn't really such thing as a "WoW addiction", but rather a problem of really bad time management and setting priorities straight. That's about the gist of it, I wouldn't say it's a "drug" like so many people claim it to be (though, that's just my opinion on the "WoW addiction" thing).

For the next questions, a more general response: I used to play WoW, and a lot of it. The first time playing it was a wonderful experience, the world seemed so huge and absolutely fantastic and just drew me right in. Days turned into weeks, weeks into months, and before I knew it, I've been playing for close to a year and 6 months. Now the level cap was easy enough, getting from 1-70 was easy. Any player that truly knows the game will tell you that the real WoW starts at level 70. That's where all the bleeding edge raiding is done and PvP happens, if that's your thing.

I was one of the "bleeding edge raiders". (Raiding, if anyone is wondering, is pretty much going into a pre-generated dungeon with 24 other people (9 other people for the smaller ones) to take down bosses and most are reset on a weekly basis to give guilds a week's worth of possible raiding nights to finish the dungeon since they're so long). Now before the most recent summer, I was just kind of a casual raiding, playing whenever I could spare time. However, during the summer, that's when things REALLY kicked off. I got sick and tired and being in fairly newbish guilds and applied to a high end guild and was accepted. Now I went from raiding whenever I could spare time, to almost a job-like schedule of three hours a night, 5 days a week for the entire summer. And eventually, we were able to "beat" the game (as in, defeat the hardest boss).

To the topic at hand: Why the hell did I play so much? I'll be looking back on this way in the future and be thinking "God, I was a dumbass". I had to dig deep to find the answer, but I realized that I played because it made me feel like I was part of something greater than myself. Spending hours a week, not just for the benefit of myself, but for the benefit of my guild, for other people, a greater good. I felt like I was with a community, joined together with other people from around the U.S. (and a player from the U.K.) to overcome huge obstacles. I know you're probably thinking I'm an idiot for devoting huge amounts of time and effort to people on the internet, and that's okay, but being part of a raiding guild was such a great feeling to me. I was being completely unselfish and wanted to contribute to the "greater cause", even if it didn't really have bearing on my real life circumstances. Plus, it felt so good to take down a new boss encounter and celebrate with your guild mates.

People could say that why didn't you devote your time and effort then to a sports team or something. Well, sadly to admit, I guess I was a bit lazy. WoW was right there in front of me (and I'm not very good at sports anyways, just not naturally an athlete), and it was summer, so eh...

Furthermore, (yes, there is more, sorry) I also played because of the friends I made. I really enjoyed playing with the people in my guild and socializing (enjoyed just casually talking on ventrillo about anything and everything (though, you could do that IRL as well, but I'm a really shy person and don't make friends that easily in person...)).

Now with school and everything being pretty rough this year, I've decided to take a temporary hiatus from WoW. But, when things die down, I plan to join the game again.

*phew* That's just my (very long) two-cents, I hope it helped out in your search.

(Started typing at around XX:15, it's XX:54 now, lol)


thank you for sharing that and im not trying to be rude but rather honest. that's what society labels as 'antisocial losers'... you think ur shy and is hard for u to make friends in real life.. then there is a real problem imo..

sometimes I think about life like this:

1) family/ real life friends/ work
2) sports/video games/going out(partying w/e)

and I know how good it feels though and im not judging you at all because I feel the same joy when I gather wit my online friends in gears of war 2 to rank up in public matches we have a lot of laughter and fun when we win matches etc.. but real life stuff are more important


w/e
Humbug
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
United States264 Posts
November 29 2008 01:03 GMT
#44
On November 29 2008 08:59 InfeSteD wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 28 2008 16:54 Humbug wrote:
This is a really long post, so I'm just going to put spoiler tags to avoid having people run into paragraphs of text.

+ Show Spoiler +
After years and years of lurking on these forums, I think I have finally found a thread to make my first post in. (I'm really sorry for the long post, but WoW is something I am very passionate about)

To answer the first question, there isn't really such thing as a "WoW addiction", but rather a problem of really bad time management and setting priorities straight. That's about the gist of it, I wouldn't say it's a "drug" like so many people claim it to be (though, that's just my opinion on the "WoW addiction" thing).

For the next questions, a more general response: I used to play WoW, and a lot of it. The first time playing it was a wonderful experience, the world seemed so huge and absolutely fantastic and just drew me right in. Days turned into weeks, weeks into months, and before I knew it, I've been playing for close to a year and 6 months. Now the level cap was easy enough, getting from 1-70 was easy. Any player that truly knows the game will tell you that the real WoW starts at level 70. That's where all the bleeding edge raiding is done and PvP happens, if that's your thing.

I was one of the "bleeding edge raiders". (Raiding, if anyone is wondering, is pretty much going into a pre-generated dungeon with 24 other people (9 other people for the smaller ones) to take down bosses and most are reset on a weekly basis to give guilds a week's worth of possible raiding nights to finish the dungeon since they're so long). Now before the most recent summer, I was just kind of a casual raiding, playing whenever I could spare time. However, during the summer, that's when things REALLY kicked off. I got sick and tired and being in fairly newbish guilds and applied to a high end guild and was accepted. Now I went from raiding whenever I could spare time, to almost a job-like schedule of three hours a night, 5 days a week for the entire summer. And eventually, we were able to "beat" the game (as in, defeat the hardest boss).

To the topic at hand: Why the hell did I play so much? I'll be looking back on this way in the future and be thinking "God, I was a dumbass". I had to dig deep to find the answer, but I realized that I played because it made me feel like I was part of something greater than myself. Spending hours a week, not just for the benefit of myself, but for the benefit of my guild, for other people, a greater good. I felt like I was with a community, joined together with other people from around the U.S. (and a player from the U.K.) to overcome huge obstacles. I know you're probably thinking I'm an idiot for devoting huge amounts of time and effort to people on the internet, and that's okay, but being part of a raiding guild was such a great feeling to me. I was being completely unselfish and wanted to contribute to the "greater cause", even if it didn't really have bearing on my real life circumstances. Plus, it felt so good to take down a new boss encounter and celebrate with your guild mates.

People could say that why didn't you devote your time and effort then to a sports team or something. Well, sadly to admit, I guess I was a bit lazy. WoW was right there in front of me (and I'm not very good at sports anyways, just not naturally an athlete), and it was summer, so eh...

Furthermore, (yes, there is more, sorry) I also played because of the friends I made. I really enjoyed playing with the people in my guild and socializing (enjoyed just casually talking on ventrillo about anything and everything (though, you could do that IRL as well, but I'm a really shy person and don't make friends that easily in person...)).

Now with school and everything being pretty rough this year, I've decided to take a temporary hiatus from WoW. But, when things die down, I plan to join the game again.

*phew* That's just my (very long) two-cents, I hope it helped out in your search.

(Started typing at around XX:15, it's XX:54 now, lol)


thank you for sharing that and im not trying to be rude but rather honest. that's what society labels as 'antisocial losers'... you think ur shy and is hard for u to make friends in real life.. then there is a real problem imo..

sometimes I think about life like this:

1) family/ real life friends/ work
2) sports/video games/going out(partying w/e)

and I know how good it feels though and im not judging you at all because I feel the same joy when I gather wit my online friends in gears of war 2 to rank up in public matches we have a lot of laughter and fun when we win matches etc.. but real life stuff are more important




Yeah, I realize that as well, which is why I'm taking a VERY long break from it right now, since my real life issues right now are a lot more important >>. Thing is, that time was over the summer... and I didn't really have anything else to do really on a daily basis...¬¬ Though this school year I've been a lot more outgoing and engaging with other people, so I guess things are working out. I appreciate your concern though, thanks.
What is an angel? Show me an angel and I shall paint one
InfeSteD
Profile Blog Joined December 2006
United States4658 Posts
November 29 2008 01:11 GMT
#45
On November 29 2008 10:03 Humbug wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 29 2008 08:59 InfeSteD wrote:
On November 28 2008 16:54 Humbug wrote:
This is a really long post, so I'm just going to put spoiler tags to avoid having people run into paragraphs of text.

+ Show Spoiler +
After years and years of lurking on these forums, I think I have finally found a thread to make my first post in. (I'm really sorry for the long post, but WoW is something I am very passionate about)

To answer the first question, there isn't really such thing as a "WoW addiction", but rather a problem of really bad time management and setting priorities straight. That's about the gist of it, I wouldn't say it's a "drug" like so many people claim it to be (though, that's just my opinion on the "WoW addiction" thing).

For the next questions, a more general response: I used to play WoW, and a lot of it. The first time playing it was a wonderful experience, the world seemed so huge and absolutely fantastic and just drew me right in. Days turned into weeks, weeks into months, and before I knew it, I've been playing for close to a year and 6 months. Now the level cap was easy enough, getting from 1-70 was easy. Any player that truly knows the game will tell you that the real WoW starts at level 70. That's where all the bleeding edge raiding is done and PvP happens, if that's your thing.

I was one of the "bleeding edge raiders". (Raiding, if anyone is wondering, is pretty much going into a pre-generated dungeon with 24 other people (9 other people for the smaller ones) to take down bosses and most are reset on a weekly basis to give guilds a week's worth of possible raiding nights to finish the dungeon since they're so long). Now before the most recent summer, I was just kind of a casual raiding, playing whenever I could spare time. However, during the summer, that's when things REALLY kicked off. I got sick and tired and being in fairly newbish guilds and applied to a high end guild and was accepted. Now I went from raiding whenever I could spare time, to almost a job-like schedule of three hours a night, 5 days a week for the entire summer. And eventually, we were able to "beat" the game (as in, defeat the hardest boss).

To the topic at hand: Why the hell did I play so much? I'll be looking back on this way in the future and be thinking "God, I was a dumbass". I had to dig deep to find the answer, but I realized that I played because it made me feel like I was part of something greater than myself. Spending hours a week, not just for the benefit of myself, but for the benefit of my guild, for other people, a greater good. I felt like I was with a community, joined together with other people from around the U.S. (and a player from the U.K.) to overcome huge obstacles. I know you're probably thinking I'm an idiot for devoting huge amounts of time and effort to people on the internet, and that's okay, but being part of a raiding guild was such a great feeling to me. I was being completely unselfish and wanted to contribute to the "greater cause", even if it didn't really have bearing on my real life circumstances. Plus, it felt so good to take down a new boss encounter and celebrate with your guild mates.

People could say that why didn't you devote your time and effort then to a sports team or something. Well, sadly to admit, I guess I was a bit lazy. WoW was right there in front of me (and I'm not very good at sports anyways, just not naturally an athlete), and it was summer, so eh...

Furthermore, (yes, there is more, sorry) I also played because of the friends I made. I really enjoyed playing with the people in my guild and socializing (enjoyed just casually talking on ventrillo about anything and everything (though, you could do that IRL as well, but I'm a really shy person and don't make friends that easily in person...)).

Now with school and everything being pretty rough this year, I've decided to take a temporary hiatus from WoW. But, when things die down, I plan to join the game again.

*phew* That's just my (very long) two-cents, I hope it helped out in your search.

(Started typing at around XX:15, it's XX:54 now, lol)


thank you for sharing that and im not trying to be rude but rather honest. that's what society labels as 'antisocial losers'... you think ur shy and is hard for u to make friends in real life.. then there is a real problem imo..

sometimes I think about life like this:

1) family/ real life friends/ work
2) sports/video games/going out(partying w/e)

and I know how good it feels though and im not judging you at all because I feel the same joy when I gather wit my online friends in gears of war 2 to rank up in public matches we have a lot of laughter and fun when we win matches etc.. but real life stuff are more important




Yeah, I realize that as well, which is why I'm taking a VERY long break from it right now, since my real life issues right now are a lot more important >>. Thing is, that time was over the summer... and I didn't really have anything else to do really on a daily basis...¬¬ Though this school year I've been a lot more outgoing and engaging with other people, so I guess things are working out. I appreciate your concern though, thanks.


You are only 16 so I guess it isnt a big deal... and you know whats right or wrong so I think you are alright o_O
w/e
FakeSteve[TPR]
Profile Blog Joined July 2003
Valhalla18444 Posts
November 29 2008 02:23 GMT
#46
the major problem here is that people assume WoW is the problem in people's lives

The problem is that some people have no time management skills, no social skills, no ambition, and are fucking lazy. People like that who find WoW will do nothing but play WoW, but if it wasn't WoW it'd be something else.

I fucking laugh when I see someone posting "hurrr rhuarhurhrr durrr wow steal ur life hahahahah". It's just a video game.
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Chef
Profile Blog Joined August 2005
10810 Posts
Last Edited: 2008-11-29 06:01:35
November 29 2008 02:33 GMT
#47
In the cave man days, they were the ones who played in the dirt and sucked on their toes. Most of them died due to being used as bait for prey the hunters were hunting, but unfortunately some survived, and passed their genetics on long enough to reach a society that supported social welfare.
LEGEND!! LEGEND!!
Salv
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
Canada3083 Posts
November 29 2008 05:08 GMT
#48
On November 28 2008 15:54 Jonoman92 wrote:
Ok, sorry for that horrid title. It's a very bad pun.

So I'm wondering what exactly it is that draws so many people to become WOW addicts. How can logical, self-respecting people band together with other people and take pride and dignity in simply killing AI created stuff.

If I'm not mistaken most hardcore WOW'ers spend their time in guilds completing quests and doing instances (after playing WOW for a week I did finally learn what an instance was.)

I mean, during my 10 day free trial I enjoyed exploring and leveling up to level 20 (the max level allowed as trial) but I don't get what the draw is to band together and to just keep owning the new levels or w/e you wanna call them that blizz keeps creating to keep the WOW subscribers entertained.

Any current/past players or people who understand this want to offer their views? I mean there is the explanation that they are all huge losers who don't want to spend their time doing anything in real life so they spend it in a fantasy world. However, being a huge sc nerd myself and spending hours upon hours on this I don't claim the above reason to be why I play sc, so I don't want to jump to conclusions and label all avid WOW players as lifeless escapists (even if it's true!)


This post is a perfect example of straw man argument. There is a lot to WoW, it's a complex game. For you to simply deduce WoW as: "killing AI created stuff" is ignorant and pointless. You like Starcraft, I could simply state that Starcraft is just the repetition of memorized build orders, general theory and mechanics; and that would be ignorant too.

Your correct that most WoW players spend their time interacting with guildmates, questing and conquering dungeons and instances. It's a lot like Diablo; you want to strengthen your character and guild, that's the point. Repetition of instances are for getting better loot and the challenge.

Your last point is hilariously pathetic. It's a game, it's entertainment; that's why they play it. That's why I assume you play Starcraft, because in your free time you want to be entertained and have fun. I'm really hoping this is just a really shitty joke post you make, because I thought you were a lot smarter then this lmao.
Ilikestarcraft
Profile Blog Joined November 2004
Korea (South)17726 Posts
November 29 2008 05:22 GMT
#49
On November 29 2008 11:23 FakeSteve[TPR] wrote:
the major problem here is that people assume WoW is the problem in people's lives

The problem is that some people have no time management skills, no social skills, no ambition, and are fucking lazy. People like that who find WoW will do nothing but play WoW, but if it wasn't WoW it'd be something else.

I fucking laugh when I see someone posting "hurrr rhuarhurhrr durrr wow steal ur life hahahahah". It's just a video game.

agreed

"Nana is a goddess. Or at very least, Nana is my goddess." - KazeHydra
Jonoman92
Profile Blog Joined September 2006
United States9103 Posts
November 29 2008 07:33 GMT
#50
Salv I wasn't trying to flat out insult every person who has spent hours playing WOW... That'd be a pretty hypocritical thing for an addict like me to do.

I was just trying to get a feel for their motivations because I feel like I could never do something like that even though it's so similar to what I do now, and I got the responses and explanations Iwas looking for. Sorry if I offended you though. I thought I made my OP in a fairly light manner. It was a big over-simplification though, i'll admit to that.
distant_voice
Profile Blog Joined November 2002
Germany2521 Posts
November 29 2008 09:58 GMT
#51
On November 29 2008 11:23 FakeSteve[TPR] wrote:
the major problem here is that people assume WoW is the problem in people's lives

The problem is that some people have no time management skills, no social skills, no ambition, and are fucking lazy. People like that who find WoW will do nothing but play WoW, but if it wasn't WoW it'd be something else.

I fucking laugh when I see someone posting "hurrr rhuarhurhrr durrr wow steal ur life hahahahah". It's just a video game.


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This is my truth, tell me yours!
Meta
Profile Blog Joined June 2003
United States6225 Posts
November 29 2008 10:23 GMT
#52
end-game raids are actually pretty hard and require a very coordinated team.
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jgad
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
Canada899 Posts
November 29 2008 10:42 GMT
#53
On November 28 2008 15:54 Jonoman92 wrote:
So I'm wondering what exactly it is that draws so many people to become WOW addicts. How can logical, self-respecting people band together with other people and take pride and dignity in simply killing AI created stuff.


I've never played WoW for obvious reasons, but I expect that people do it for much the same reasons as we do anything. Human endeavour is nothing more than a long series of largely ridiculous activities. Why do tribal people dress up like mystical creatures and jump around dancing like fools? Why do billions of people drag themselves to some manner of magical house where they prostrate themselves and appeal to the sensibilities of an imaginary being? Why do millions of people gather around the world to watch a bunch of meat-headed brutes kick an inflated sphere around a patch of grass? Why do some people sit quietly on mountains for days on end? Most of what we do can't make sense in any objective context - if such a thing even exists. It's human nature to fabricate all means of structure which we can subsequenty put under our control. This seems to provide a sense of meaning to some. WoW is just an iteration of such a tendency, I think.
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