EPTIs Starcraft a sport? (My personal views!) - Page 2
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Zoler
Sweden6339 Posts
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Nyovne
Netherlands19141 Posts
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VIB
Brazil3567 Posts
In the end it's mostly a cultural issue. I bet my money that in 50~60 years the average guy will be go "out" by hanging in a chatroom watching to starcraft 8 with his buddies instead of hanging out in a bar to watch soccer or basketball with his buddies ^^ | ||
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Tensai176
Canada2061 Posts
On October 23 2008 17:50 pyrogenetix wrote: i've had this "does e-sports = sports?" debate so many times and owned everyone that tries to argue with me so many times. in the end people just deny that they got beaten and just go with the IM NOT LISTENING TO YOU SO I DIDNT LOSE THE ARGUEMENT BLABLABLA So you argued pro- e-sport = sport? o_o | ||
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Zoler
Sweden6339 Posts
On October 23 2008 21:48 VIB wrote: It's irrelevant if you define it as a "sport" or not. That's just semantics. You can't disagree that e-sports and sports have many similarities but you also can't deny they're very different. In the end it's mostly a cultural issue. I bet my money that in 50~60 years the average guy will be go "out" by hanging in a chatroom watching to starcraft 8 with his buddies instead of hanging out in a bar to watch soccer or basketball with his buddies ^^ Yeah, I think we have to wait. But we cant only wait ofc, because everyone isnt watching Starcraft. edit: omg I became a firebat o_o | ||
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QuanticHawk
United States32157 Posts
On October 23 2008 21:03 G.s)NarutO wrote: Starcraft is a sport. Have you ever played 8 hours straight? You will be as exhausted as running a few miles nonstop. LOL This is either a HUGE troll, or you're a really big, out of shape nerd. Starcraft isn't a sport, nor is any other console or computer game. They're just that—games. Same goes for poker, chess, etc. Sports require physical skills. Clicking isn't physical. Simple as that. | ||
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_Grazze_
834 Posts
Hawk: If you play a game for eight hours straight you're a "big, out of shape nerd"? That's like saying that you're a fagget, o wait, you are  | ||
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NatsuTerran
United States364 Posts
http://www.bungie.net/Forums/posts.aspx?postID=24071182&postRepeater1-p=1 Edit: I apologise for linking that. It's probably almost as bad as the battle.net forum. Hope no one loses too many brain cells. | ||
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QuanticHawk
United States32157 Posts
On October 23 2008 22:20 _Grazze_ wrote: It's a sport but not an athletics. Hawk: If you play a game for eight hours straight you're a "big, out of shape nerd"? That's like saying that you're a fagget, o wait, you are Maybe you shud lurn to red befor actin liek a retart LOL! | ||
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ThePhan2m
Norway2751 Posts
On October 23 2008 12:25 BanZu wrote: Yea, some people are just too narrow-minded to open their views. :\ this so its settled! Starcraft is a sport!  | ||
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Ki_Do
Korea (South)981 Posts
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Chef
10810 Posts
Dictionary.com 1. an athletic activity requiring skill or physical prowess and often of a competitive nature, as racing, baseball, tennis, golf, bowling, wrestling, boxing, hunting, fishing, etc. English is an evolving language, and will naturally begin to include more and more activities. But it won't be accepted by all. For instance, I'm hard pressed to call fishing a sport. It's something fat old men do in lazy summer mornings. That doesn't scream sport to me. And I wouldn't consider professional fisheries athletes either, they're working hard, and they have competition but... it just doesn't seem right. Then you see StarCraft. In the traditional view of a sport, it doesn't match up. And the point is exactly this: Starcraft is a sport. Have you ever played 8 hours straight? You will be as exhausted as running a few miles nonstop. A sport where you can actively participate, with no breaks, no subs, for 8 (and for some people, more) without needing rest or anything is ridiculous. If someone played competetive Hockey for 8 hours straight, they'd be superhuman. It seems likely in my mind that a person would pass out long before that, especially without breaks (the actual average shift in hockey is like 20 to 60 seconds, isn't it?). If you take Tennis, also considered by many as a legitimate sport, you know that they're getting a break between every point, and the matches really do not last that long. Because they too could collapse. That's the difference in people's minds. You can marathon a game of cards, computer games, and a lazy morning's fishing, but you can't do it with any traditional definition of sport, like Soccer, Hockey, or Tennis. Although TBH, Soccer is the closest sport to being a marathon, it's still just 90 minutes. That said, I think the highly competetive nature of SC earns respect all it's own, even if it isn't really a sport, it's okay to call it an e-sport. The only reason to argue SC is a full and genuine sport is because of all the idiots who think that it not being a sport somehow makes it unworthy. But I say forget about these people, they're not worth the effort. | ||
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Chef
10810 Posts
Sports require physical skills. Clicking isn't physical. Simple as that. Hand eye co-ordination is a physical skill, and so it clicking... If you told a newb play as fast as they could, to get their apm up, they'd probably still only get like 40 apm. So TBH, your argument is completely moot. | ||
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Zoler
Sweden6339 Posts
On October 23 2008 22:18 Hawk wrote: LOL This is either a HUGE troll, or you're a really big, out of shape nerd. Starcraft isn't a sport, nor is any other console or computer game. They're just that—games. Same goes for poker, chess, etc. Sports require physical skills. Clicking isn't physical. Simple as that. Aaaaah, there we have one of those. Those that have this stonage look on sports. They think athletics and sports are the same thing. Poor beings. I feel sorry for them. I am sad that I see you on this website. How can someone be that narrowminded to not think about others argument and just think they are right all the time? Aaah, now I also see that your country is USA too. What a coincidence. gtfo | ||
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randombum
United States2378 Posts
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QuanticHawk
United States32157 Posts
Sports are events that take athletes to compete. Competitive gaming is everything else—computer games, pool, poker, etc. Takes plenty of skill, but certainly doesn't take an athlete. | ||
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Jibba
United States22883 Posts
BTW, fishing can be an athletic event. I don't even fish, but I realize how difficult it would be to play tug of war with a couple hundred pounds of muscle. | ||
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NarutO
Germany18839 Posts
On October 24 2008 04:27 Hawk wrote: Come on now, clicking as a physical activity? Let's be real here... that exerts about as much energy as wiping your ass does. You've apparently never ran 'a few miles non stop' since I think all of us have done 8 hour game-a-thons here and I've never broken a sweat like I do running. Sports are events that take athletes to compete. Competitive gaming is everything else—computer games, pool, poker, etc. Takes plenty of skill, but certainly doesn't take an athlete. I should pick my words better next time. Sorry for not being clear enough. I will be now. Starcraft exhaust but not in a way of: I can't move a single finger now, I'm totally tired and stuff. Starcraft exhausts your ability to focus, to concentrate. If you play on a high level for hours and hours you won't be able to play good, you will lose your concentration and won't be able to achieve good records. Thats at least one point that makes Starcraft a sport. Do we agree on that? And no, I'm not a fat, out of shape nerd. But I know how hard it is to focus. Actually concentrating exhausts me more than sports. Also having 350 apm even in long games makes you sweat  ! Edit (definition): "Sport" is a cultural field of activity, in which human beings voluntarily go into a real or only imagined relation to other people with the conscious intention to develop their abilities and accomplishments particularly in the area of skilled motion and to compare themselves with these other people according to rules put self or adopted without damaging them or themselves deliberately. Means most activities called "sport" are in the area of skilled motion, but not all of them. Also you could say that hand-eye coordination is skilled motion! :D | ||
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Naib
Hungary4904 Posts
But since I'm such a nice guy...I won't comment on the is SC a sport thing, I try to broaden your naive approach a little bit from afar. You argued with clicking not being a physical activity...and you called out on chess "not being a sport" Look...I've played chess competitively for YEARS, ever since I was a kid (5 years of age, to be exact). And before you call that "physically undemanding" YOU try to sit through a freaking match lasting 6 hours melting your brain while analyzing infinite amount of moves in your head. I can assure you, it makes you tired quite as well as any "real" sport. I'm sick of people like you (met quite a few to be honest) that say chess isn't a sport. I bet you're one of those going like "OH, YOU PLAY CHESS? WHAT DOES A CHESS-TRAINING LOOK LIKE? PRACTICING TO LIFT THE PIECES OLOLOL?" Anyway. See, hockey players get subbed fast, as it'd be humanly impossible to stay on the field longer. Does that make soccer (european football) less sports-like? Because people can be on the field longer? Come the fuck on. It's not about the need of being an athlete that defines sports. Do you need to be an athlete for golf? I guess that should address your concerns... P.s.: My tone is a bit over the top, but FUCK, you annoyed me. Edit: at least Psychotemplar came up with cohesive arguments, not this jackass "you need to be MANLY to do a REAL sport, if a "SKINNY NERD" can do it too, it isn't a sport OLOLOL! :S +1 soul for Psychotemplar, I'm actually only angry at Hawk. | ||
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Xusneb
Canada612 Posts
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