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Semper Fidelis
Profile Blog Joined September 2008
United States5 Posts
Last Edited: 2008-10-03 21:04:09
October 03 2008 21:01 GMT
#1
Can someone instruct me on how to execute this "flash Build"? I remember hearing that flash build in Terran vs Protoss will be a good counter for a lot of things that the protoss decides to throw at you. The only problem is I don't know this mystical build order they're refering to.

I need specific details like:
9 depot
12 barrack/refinery
15 depot
22 factory
etc.

And explain where the build order diverges as well as giving perspective of the goals. I tried looking around for this but I couldn't find it. I remember a few things like FE followed by 2 factories then creating academy/amory to make 2 goliaths. These two goliaths will protect you from oncoming drops.

Again I'm a desperate fighting terran that's seeking specific knowledge for fighting the arrogant protoss. All terrans must help your fellow comrade.

Edit: Only answer if your information is correct!

XCetron
Profile Joined November 2006
5226 Posts
October 03 2008 21:06 GMT
#2
its like bisubuild, no one really knows.
Semper Fidelis
Profile Blog Joined September 2008
United States5 Posts
Last Edited: 2008-10-03 21:14:14
October 03 2008 21:13 GMT
#3
On October 04 2008 06:06 XCetron wrote:
its like bisubuild, no one really knows.


They're so mystical like the unicorns, damn those retarded ponies. They should be more like regular horses instead, graceful.
d1v
Profile Blog Joined September 2007
Sweden868 Posts
October 03 2008 21:26 GMT
#4
Listen, I guess you need to get away from the idea of a fixed build-order. Flash is a progamer, he tweaks his build every game according to the informations he gets from scouting. You cannot copy him exactly, because like the Bisu-Build, the Flash-Build is highly situational.
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NarutO
Profile Blog Joined December 2006
Germany18839 Posts
October 03 2008 21:27 GMT
#5
I cannot give you the food count details but I can give you the basic information of the "Flash build".

Basically you should use the "Flash build" on maps where you can easily take 2 expansions and turtle (Blue Storm / Othello / Andromeda). You are opening with an early expansion (either FD or siege expansion) then you are going to add a armory and immediately start the attack upgrade. You won't build an ebay but an academy for scan. You will use goliaths to defend drop harassment. (Make sure you will have range).

When your upgrade is half done you will add a port and continue with a science facility and a second armory. This should allow you to immediately upgrade the second attack and first armor grade as soon as the first attack is finished. When you got 2-1 you will move out and basically crush the protoss.
While you push you should take at least 1 expansion, 2 if possible. Also you can add a science vessel with EMP.

Hopefully I could help you.
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Semper Fidelis
Profile Blog Joined September 2008
United States5 Posts
October 03 2008 21:43 GMT
#6
Thanks Naruto for explaining the situation better. I'm not sure whether you can discuss the build order into specifics but you managed to convey the most of it. I didn't consider map type played a role in the situation. the benefits don't seem to be worth the effort it seems.

If you can or someone else provide a replay of this build order maybe it'll click in me. I could just go with what you described but visually experiencing this will further help me. thanks. =D
Ganfei
Profile Blog Joined August 2008
Taiwan1439 Posts
October 03 2008 21:50 GMT
#7
What are you talking about, "efforts?" It's easy. You're turtling and waiting. Of course you need an easy third base, how else are you going to sit around doing nothing til you have 2/1 if you don't have 3 bases?

The advantage is the timing on it, the 2/1 is extremely fast and +2 that fast on T metal melts protoss
You are crushing me like a cheese sandwich
NarutO
Profile Blog Joined December 2006
Germany18839 Posts
October 03 2008 22:06 GMT
#8
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Replay. My build varies a little bit because I didn't build goliaths and I used 2 armories from the beginning, but you get the idea. Also I think I used a doc to be super save (ladder game).
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FakeSteve[TPR]
Profile Blog Joined July 2003
Valhalla18444 Posts
October 03 2008 22:09 GMT
#9
"Flash Build" is a specific build order on Katrina that directly counters Stork's 12nexus reaver into carrier. Anything else is just FE, and the fast +2 has been around a shitload longer than Flash has been a pro
Moderatormy tatsu loops r fuckin nice
Purind
Profile Blog Joined April 2004
Canada3562 Posts
October 03 2008 22:29 GMT
#10
Every build involving an armory is a Flash build, just like how every PvZ build in existence (2 gate and tech builds don't exist) is a Bisu build
Trucy Wright is hot
fusionsdf
Profile Blog Joined June 2006
Canada15390 Posts
October 03 2008 22:31 GMT
#11
I will try and find you a korean replay
SKT_Best: "I actually chose Protoss because it was so hard for me to defeat Protoss as a Terran. When I first started Brood War, my main race was Terran."
Mastermind
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
Canada7096 Posts
October 03 2008 22:34 GMT
#12
On October 04 2008 07:29 Purind wrote:
Every build involving an armory is a Flash build, just like how every PvZ build in existence (2 gate and tech builds don't exist) is a Bisu build

Only if you want to abuse terminology and be ignorant to the large variation in fe builds.
thunk
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
United States6233 Posts
October 03 2008 22:39 GMT
#13
On October 04 2008 06:06 XCetron wrote:
its like bisubuild, no one really knows.


XCetron is the closest here, IMO. Both the Flash and the Bisu builds are highly dependent on scouting and reactionary builds, so they're not really "build orders" but rather "builds". There's no set in stone order.
Every time Jung Myung Hoon builds a vulture, two probes die. || My post count was a palindrome and I was never posting again.
FakeSteve[TPR]
Profile Blog Joined July 2003
Valhalla18444 Posts
Last Edited: 2008-10-03 23:34:27
October 03 2008 23:33 GMT
#14
On October 04 2008 07:39 thunk wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 04 2008 06:06 XCetron wrote:
its like bisubuild, no one really knows.


XCetron is the closest here, IMO. Both the Flash and the Bisu builds are highly dependent on scouting and reactionary builds, so they're not really "build orders" but rather "builds". There's no set in stone order.


you're wrong because 1) you don't understand that the "flash build" is a specific build order and 2) you don't understand that the "flash build" is a specific build order

so you miss out by saying the "flash build" is something reactionary based on scouting, and by saying the "flash build" isn't a specific build order

0/2 oh my
Moderatormy tatsu loops r fuckin nice
Raithed
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
China7078 Posts
October 04 2008 00:34 GMT
#15
fast armory + emp vessels and sitting back while scouting = flash build.
FakeSteve[TPR]
Profile Blog Joined July 2003
Valhalla18444 Posts
October 04 2008 00:48 GMT
#16
On October 04 2008 09:34 Raithed wrote:
fast armory + emp vessels and sitting back while scouting = flash build.


youuuu aaaaaare wroooooooong
Moderatormy tatsu loops r fuckin nice
Biff The Understudy
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
France7921 Posts
October 04 2008 00:51 GMT
#17
On October 04 2008 08:33 FakeSteve[TPR] wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 04 2008 07:39 thunk wrote:
On October 04 2008 06:06 XCetron wrote:
its like bisubuild, no one really knows.


XCetron is the closest here, IMO. Both the Flash and the Bisu builds are highly dependent on scouting and reactionary builds, so they're not really "build orders" but rather "builds". There's no set in stone order.


you're wrong because 1) you don't understand that the "flash build" is a specific build order and 2) you don't understand that the "flash build" is a specific build order

so you miss out by saying the "flash build" is something reactionary based on scouting, and by saying the "flash build" isn't a specific build order

0/2 oh my

rofl
The fellow who is out to burn things up is the counterpart of the fool who thinks he can save the world. The world needs neither to be burned up nor to be saved. The world is, we are. Transients, if we buck it; here to stay if we accept it. ~H.Miller
YPang
Profile Blog Joined April 2007
United States4024 Posts
October 04 2008 00:51 GMT
#18
flash doesn't build he just runs and turns his arm rapidly causing a tornado.
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avilo
Profile Blog Joined November 2007
United States4100 Posts
October 04 2008 00:54 GMT
#19
I think the "flash build" is just the style of getting earlier gols with the intention of nullifying money invested by the protoss into reaver harrass, while getting 2-1 upgrades and your third base. It's meant for a long macro game, with the intention being to destroy money invested into carriers much easier due to the faster upgrades and by having gols pre-mixed into your army.
Sup
Piy
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
Scotland3152 Posts
October 04 2008 01:23 GMT
#20
try and find the by.flash vs sea.oo3 game on python in the TL replay section:

http://www.teamliquid.net/replay/index.php?currentpage=5

it should be on that page. its the Flash build executed flawlessly (although he does lose the game, you can get teh exact BO from it)
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