EPTIt is not for me to tell you which one you need to follow your salvation is between you and God and God actually works in a person before they hear the message, the gospel without God's ministering won't produce saving faith but if you are hearing the message of the video I posted and believe and you test yourself against the bible after you put your faith in Jesus and you use the bible as a mirror of how you should be and if the checks balance if you are following the narrow path and you keep getting rebuked from sinning by the Holy Spirit you always feel guilty and broken and you always try and try to get rid of your sin after becoming a Christian and your always growing and changing and challenging yourself then sir you are saved and God is ministering unto you and will disipline you each time you come off that narrow path and put you right back on it because he loves you despite your former sins you have been cleansed by your older brother the Lord Jesus's blood who was sacrificed in our place.
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TechniQ.UK
United Kingdom391 Posts
It is not for me to tell you which one you need to follow your salvation is between you and God and God actually works in a person before they hear the message, the gospel without God's ministering won't produce saving faith but if you are hearing the message of the video I posted and believe and you test yourself against the bible after you put your faith in Jesus and you use the bible as a mirror of how you should be and if the checks balance if you are following the narrow path and you keep getting rebuked from sinning by the Holy Spirit you always feel guilty and broken and you always try and try to get rid of your sin after becoming a Christian and your always growing and changing and challenging yourself then sir you are saved and God is ministering unto you and will disipline you each time you come off that narrow path and put you right back on it because he loves you despite your former sins you have been cleansed by your older brother the Lord Jesus's blood who was sacrificed in our place. | ||
micronesia
United States24799 Posts
On October 04 2008 05:42 Mastermind wrote: Can you explain to me where I presented an argument? Your argument appears to be that people who are religions and believe heavily in their religion are mentally deficient, because blah where blah depends a bit on the interpretation of what you said, but represents an argument to some reasonable extent. And my original point was that they can equally say you are mentally deficient and back it up with logic that they are equally confident in. | ||
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SCC-Faust
United States3736 Posts
But unfortunately its one of the newer religions. Maybe God was just screwing around until he felt like coming out of the closet. | ||
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BalloonFight
United States2007 Posts
On October 04 2008 05:59 TechniQ.UK wrote: Well you can tell which is the right one because of this. There are 3 abrahamic religions. 2 are to do with the love of the law with no way to really get clean of sin. The remaining one tells you how it is, that you are broken in sin and you deserve to die but there is a way to be clean of your sin for someone to have taken all of that wrath in your place. God himself Jesus Christ both man and God the perfect sacrafice and the holy son of God the darling of heaven. It is not for me to tell you which one you need to follow your salvation is between you and God and God actually works in a person before they hear the message, the gospel without God's ministering won't produce saving faith but if you are hearing the message of the video I posted and believe and you test yourself against the bible after you put your faith in Jesus and you use the bible as a mirror of how you should be and if the checks balance if you are following the narrow path and you keep getting rebuked from sinning by the Holy Spirit you always feel guilty and broken and you always try and try to get rid of your sin after becoming a Christian and your always growing and changing and challenging yourself then sir you are saved and God is ministering unto you and will disipline you each time you come off that narrow path and put you right back on it because he loves you despite your former sins you have been cleansed by your older brother the Lord Jesus's blood who was sacrificed in our place. You can say God or Lord or Holy Spirit etc as many times as you want, but it doesn't make them exist. That post looks like the dribbling of someone who is brain washed. It's like you think talking in the style that is like what is said in the bible makes you correct in your own mind. lol | ||
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Mastermind
Canada7096 Posts
On October 04 2008 06:01 micronesia wrote: Your argument appears to be that people who are religions and believe heavily in their religion are mentally deficient, because blah where blah depends a bit on the interpretation of what you said, but represents an argument to some reasonable extent. And my original point was that they can equally say you are mentally deficient and back it up with logic that they are equally confident in. Now you are just putting words in my mouth. I suggest you work on your reading comprehension. I expressed an opinion, not an argument. I gave no support at all for what I said, but I think you already know that and are just trying to make an argument out of nothing, thats why you wrote "because blah where blah". You couldnt fill those blahs in because there was nothing in my post that you could put in there. I had no argument. | ||
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micronesia
United States24799 Posts
On October 04 2008 07:30 Mastermind wrote: Now you are just putting words in my mouth. I suggest you work on your reading comprehension. I expressed an opinion, not an argument. I gave no support at all for what I said, but I think you already know that and are just trying to make an argument out of nothing, thats why you wrote "because blah where blah". You couldnt fill those blahs in because there was nothing in my post that you could put in there. I had no argument. Your opinion implied an argument. If you want to refute it, feel free and I'll take back what I said. | ||
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Mindcrime
United States6899 Posts
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randombum
United States2378 Posts
On October 04 2008 07:34 micronesia wrote: Your opinion implied an argument. If you want to refute it, feel free and I'll take back what I said. I gotta agree with micronesia here. Your original statement of "Them be some crazies" implies an argument. (that you are right and they are wrong/crazy.) True its just an opinion, but then when micronesia points out that the believers could call YOU crazy he's still right. | ||
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ThePhan2m
Norway2751 Posts
On October 04 2008 08:32 Mindcrime wrote: Why does the Christian god have Dissociative Identity Disorder? what exactly do you mean by this? | ||
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Chef
10810 Posts
I will not be answering any negative comments by anyone That's the first step to being open minded and discovering truth. I feel a religious obligation to post You have a religious obligation to be a troll? That's incredible. You might not care, or want to read this, but I'm going to tell you why I don't like Christianity. I don't like it, because it's fucking cowardly. It's cowardly to let go of all logic and reason, to ignore a cruel and cold world, and to give up on the reality you know most scientifically to be real. For what? So you can sleep easy at night. So you can say to yourself 'everything is going to be okay.' So you can live in a world of convenient lies, comforting falsities, and blissful ignorance. Well fuck you. You don't deserve any of the fruits of science that someone had to say "I wonder why this is?" and not immediately answer "God," to obtain. You're fools who take the easy way out, who can't live with the world as you see it with your senses. You make things up to feel better about the world. I will bleed, sweat, be cold, be hungry, be fearful, and be the opposite of every one of those until I've died. What happens to me after that I don't know. I couldn't even tell you for certain that it will happen. What I can tell you, is that I will live in the world I know to the best of my ability, and I will never take such an easy way out of sadness or frustration. I will never live a life based around lies and weak circumstantial evidence just to ease that pain. That's what I think. That's what I almost always (this is the first exception) think, but never say, around conservative Christian folks and any other religion that I see forsaking truth for comfort. PS: BTW, I don't hate cowards. I hate cowards who tell me I should be like them. It's one thing for me to work so hard, see that the world is full of terrible things, and then to live with it every day, and another for someone to tell me that I'M the fool somehow for living the tougher but truer path. Live how you want, but let others live how they want as well. That's why I'm mostly silent around these people. But if I feel like I'm being directly insulted for being more or less agnostic leaning toward atheist, I will fight fire with fire until you shut up. | ||
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inlagdsil
Canada957 Posts
On October 03 2008 22:22 cba wrote: God loves His children, yeah. But then how can you display and express your love to someone who doesnt respect you, follow you, or even AKNOWLEDGE your existence. He does have this love. Us, through our sins (past+present+future) that we have become so hard to love, not in any part of His "hate". btw, we have this option to choose to ignore Him because it is the better alternative. some people put up that argument, why cant God just give us everything so we'd love him naturally. there is no choice there, its not meaningful love, it's forced. robots cant love if they've been programmed these emotions. also, "we must live like Jesus" is not step 1. step 1 is accepting Him and our salvation. the whole point of Christianity is the fact that we are NOT saved by deeds in ANY way. after we get step 1, we take the natural step 2 of living a new life not by our own efforts, but with His help and inspiration. then your life will turn around, AFTER receiving Christ. as he said it, it is impossible to just "stop living in sin", because by our own efforts thats just how it is. You explain your views on the Christian belief system well, but I don't feel like they are really a response to my post. You are saying that God loves us despite our sins. This is normal Christian theology. What this video tells us is that God HATES most of us. Not only that, the guy claims that most of the audience is sinners, and then goes on about how much he loves them. In other words, he is purporting to be superior to God. Can you love someone with no reciprocity? Haven't you? I have. In religion, this is a basic premise of monotheism. It is one of the nice aspects of divine kindness. The "why can't God give us everything" idea is one of the main paradoxes of all religions with loving all-powerful god(s). It is a fascinating idea to debate, maybe we should start a thread just for that. It seems off-topic here, as the video speaks not of kindness, charity and love but selfishness and fear. Your views on how Christians should live accurately describe the doctrine of certain Churches. I spoke to an Anglican Reverend in Stockholm about whether all non-Anglicans go to Hell. He told me that each religion is in its own way a path to God. Though this isn't written in the Bible, it is self-evident if you accept the God paradigm. I don't know if you have watched the whole video, but if you do there is a chance that it will creep you out. The guy just comes off as totally disgusting and self-absorbed. He takes himself for a prophet. I will not argue against Christianity; you guys can believe what you want. I just really dislike this fear-monger and his hateful hate-filled message. | ||
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inlagdsil
Canada957 Posts
On October 04 2008 05:59 TechniQ.UK wrote: Well you can tell which is the right one because of this. There are 3 abrahamic religions. 2 are to do with the love of the law with no way to really get clean of sin. The remaining one tells you how it is, that you are broken in sin and you deserve to die but there is a way to be clean of your sin for someone to have taken all of that wrath in your place. God himself Jesus Christ both man and God the perfect sacrafice and the holy son of God the darling of heaven. It is not for me to tell you which one you need to follow your salvation is between you and God and God actually works in a person before they hear the message, the gospel without God's ministering won't produce saving faith but if you are hearing the message of the video I posted and believe and you test yourself against the bible after you put your faith in Jesus and you use the bible as a mirror of how you should be and if the checks balance if you are following the narrow path and you keep getting rebuked from sinning by the Holy Spirit you always feel guilty and broken and you always try and try to get rid of your sin after becoming a Christian and your always growing and changing and challenging yourself then sir you are saved and God is ministering unto you and will disipline you each time you come off that narrow path and put you right back on it because he loves you despite your former sins you have been cleansed by your older brother the Lord Jesus's blood who was sacrificed in our place. Your arguments here suffer greatly from two flaws: internal logic and fallacy. To begin with, you say "2 are to do with the love of the law with no way to really get clean of sin". The idea that Judaim and Islam do not show you how to avoid sin and seek holiness is preposterous. Perhaps someone told you that, but he was ignorant. For instance, in Judaism rabbis have distinguished about 613 "mitzvot" or good deeds, things that you should do to be righteous with respect to humanity and with respect to God. The first 5 commandments tell you how to act towards God, the last five towards man (if you disagree with me on number five, I'll explain it to you). There is no Hell to scare you into submission, just the love of God to inspire you. All that's missing is Jesus (but hey, there are lots of other cool chaps most Christians have never heard of!). Now, you will tell me: all this is very good, but you have no way to "wash off" your sins. Gogo Jesus gg no re. But wait a second. In Christianity, you have all these sins that make you "deserve to die" and thus need you to be "saved". These are inventions of Christianity. The reason Islam does not specify the "narrow path to salvation" you must follow is that it does not state that there is a need for any. They don't tell you how to be saved because there is not the same concept of savation. There is righteousness and belief in God and that Mohammed is the last prophet. However, Muslims must respect other "people of the book" (of course, some don't, but they should). This negates the idea that Jews and Christians would be considered hateful by God. Why would they be damned? Basically, you are applying a uniquely Christian idea to other religions, and saying: "hey, they don't solve this problem", when in fact those religions do not consider that there is a problem. Essentially, you argue: Jews and Muslims do not have Jesus, yet Jesus is the Lord and Saviour, therefore Jews and Muslims are wrong. This is no basis for proving a religion right. The sophism highlights your internal logic. Furthermore, you assume that one of the 3 abrahamic religions might be right. What if they have all gotten it wrong? EDIT sorry for double post. | ||
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KrAzYfoOL
Australia3037 Posts
On October 04 2008 02:01 micronesia wrote: They might feel the same way about you. There is really not much point to pursuing along this avenue. BTW I am trying to choose what religion to follow so that I can achieve salvation. Can someone tell me how I can tell which is the right one? :3 become a Buddhist monk it requires way more self-discipline, fuck this modern day Christian shit :D | ||
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KrAzYfoOL
Australia3037 Posts
On October 04 2008 05:59 TechniQ.UK wrote: Well you can tell which is the right one because of this. There are 3 abrahamic religions. 2 are to do with the love of the law with no way to really get clean of sin. The remaining one tells you how it is, that you are broken in sin and you deserve to die but there is a way to be clean of your sin for someone to have taken all of that wrath in your place. God himself Jesus Christ both man and God the perfect sacrafice and the holy son of God the darling of heaven. It is not for me to tell you which one you need to follow your salvation is between you and God and God actually works in a person before they hear the message, the gospel without God's ministering won't produce saving faith but if you are hearing the message of the video I posted and believe and you test yourself against the bible after you put your faith in Jesus and you use the bible as a mirror of how you should be and if the checks balance if you are following the narrow path and you keep getting rebuked from sinning by the Holy Spirit you always feel guilty and broken and you always try and try to get rid of your sin after becoming a Christian and your always growing and changing and challenging yourself then sir you are saved and God is ministering unto you and will disipline you each time you come off that narrow path and put you right back on it because he loves you despite your former sins you have been cleansed by your older brother the Lord Jesus's blood who was sacrificed in our place. Almost every person of every religion claims to have a relationship (be it a back and forth dialogue or simply 'feeling' him) with God, so whats your take on that? They all just happen to be wrong and you're right? | ||
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Yaqoob
Canada3408 Posts
I suggest you read 'Is the Bible God's Word' by Ahmed Deedat or look at some of his videos. I will do my best to do a comprehensive knowledge based reply to his statements during the weekend. | ||
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SaveYourSavior
United States1071 Posts
You might not care, or want to read this, but I'm going to tell you why I don't like Christianity. I don't like it, because it's fucking cowardly. It's cowardly to let go of all logic and reason, to ignore a cruel and cold world, and to give up on the reality you know most scientifically to be real. For what? So you can sleep easy at night. So you can say to yourself 'everything is going to be okay.' So you can live in a world of convenient lies, comforting falsities, and blissful ignorance. Well fuck you. You don't deserve any of the fruits of science that someone had to say "I wonder why this is?" and not immediately answer "God," to obtain. You're fools who take the easy way out, who can't live with the world as you see it with your senses. You make things up to feel better about the world. I will bleed, sweat, be cold, be hungry, be fearful, and be the opposite of every one of those until I've died. What happens to me after that I don't know. I couldn't even tell you for certain that it will happen. What I can tell you, is that I will live in the world I know to the best of my ability, and I will never take such an easy way out of sadness or frustration. I will never live a life based around lies and weak circumstantial evidence just to ease that pain. That's what I think. That's what I almost always (this is the first exception) think, but never say, around conservative Christian folks and any other religion that I see forsaking truth for comfort. PS: BTW, I don't hate cowards. I hate cowards who tell me I should be like them. It's one thing for me to work so hard, see that the world is full of terrible things, and then to live with it every day, and another for someone to tell me that I'M the fool somehow for living the tougher but truer path. Live how you want, but let others live how they want as well. That's why I'm mostly silent around these people. But if I feel like I'm being directly insulted for being more or less agnostic leaning toward atheist, I will fight fire with fire until you shut up. First of all, not all Christians are as you say they are. Yes most conservative Christian folks are definitely wrong in the head. For me, a berserk Christian dude and his campus crusade were marching around holding signs saying YOU WILL GO TO HELL, LOVE JESUS OR ELSE," trying to scare people into loving Jesus and Christianity. But not all Christians are those psychotic right-wing douchebags, there's the other side of Christians where people help those in need out of love instead of "converting" other people so that their own souls get saved. There's also the Christians who don't give care much for spreading the word, they simply believe that we were created by God and not from a random bigbang. Secondly, being a Christian doesn't make you ignorant to sadness, frustration, pain, or anything. Christians and non-Christians still experience this because we are all human. Christians and non-Christians are more alike then they are different. Yes, Christians may pray about their problems whether it be to God but that doesn't mean they are forsaking truth for comfort (unless you are talking about death, heaven, etc but you are 1031% sure there is no God right? Thirdly, there is no need to be such a defensive pussy wank when the Christians around you..erm.. make fun of you not being a Christian. It may be annoying, but insulting? Who cares? Aren't you a level above these ignorant, truth forsakers? Edit: needless to say this retard preaching in the video is homo (not gay.. maybe) and the person who linked to that horrid video is delusional | ||
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Wolverine
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Mindcrime
United States6899 Posts
The concept of the Trinity? Three persons in one God? It sounds like a psychological disorder to me! | ||
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0xDEADBEEF
Germany1235 Posts
On October 05 2008 02:45 Mindcrime wrote: The concept of the Trinity? Three persons in one God? It sounds like a psychological disorder to me! Hehe. Not to mention that if you imagine you were almighty, omnipresent and immortal, would you choose a planet full of evolved monkeys to love and care about as if you couldn't create anything better? Would you "mate" with a monkey female to produce a monkey you would then call your *son* (really, wtf?). And when the monkeys die you send some which you like to heaven (God is probably lonely for some reason?). I mean it's funny if you think about it *that* way, isn't it... when you don't simply accept the things as they are written, but when you question the *intent* of God's actions and inactions... or when you imagine yourself in the role of him/her/it. Then many things don't make any sense. Sure, the religious people have one convenient excuse for that: they simply say "his ways are unexplainable", which basically ends all discussions without bringing anything useful to the table. That's why I come to this conclusion: if God exists, he's gotta be one really bored, crazy mofo, and maybe *that's* why you should be scared of him...  | ||
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UmmTheHobo
United States650 Posts
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