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kpcrew
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
Korea (South)1071 Posts
August 21 2008 14:21 GMT
#21
i dont see a problem..
i used to wear diapers too




just kidding

but that kind of training is pretty ridiculous and kinda unnecessary. it sucks how the chinese government values its image over the safety and security of its citizens
Clan Lzuruha
Hippopotamus
Profile Blog Joined October 2004
1914 Posts
August 21 2008 14:33 GMT
#22
You know that raises a point. Why do western governments care so much about the safety and security of its citizens? In times past citizens were just the people who fed or became soldiers which allowed you to claim territory. Now, citizens are the primary concerns and their safety and health is seemingly so important that the rights of other people may be readily violated just to preserve the health of citizens. It doesn't make sense... unless you really buy into the bullshit that governments actually do represent what the common man wants.
oneofthem
Profile Blog Joined November 2005
Cayman Islands24199 Posts
Last Edited: 2008-08-21 15:00:48
August 21 2008 14:47 GMT
#23
this is really a small bone to pick, especially with china. to the students this should be a once in a life time event, however silly the circumstances contriving such sentimentality are. it is not enough to make me rage.

although collectivised activities often are hugely problematic, you cannot dismiss them altogether. political theory arose out of ordinary political activities that form a part of the human lifeform, and when you dismiss something like collective action categorically, there is no replacement for that vacuum. people simply do not know any other way of behaving, and designing a new form of society from the ground is anything but easy.

would do well to highlight the economic decisions made by the chinese government, pretty much a continuation of regionalism and systematic exploitation of the peasantry and lower working class.
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QuanticHawk
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
United States32130 Posts
August 21 2008 15:06 GMT
#24
On August 21 2008 13:26 EmeraldSparks wrote:
American high school cheerleaders have lost legs and broken bones in routines and athletes across American get heat stroke not infrequently. But when it happens in China, I guess it gets to be headline news.


Way to read the article dumbass
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EmeraldSparks
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
United States1451 Posts
August 21 2008 17:38 GMT
#25
On August 22 2008 00:06 Hawk wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 21 2008 13:26 EmeraldSparks wrote:
American high school cheerleaders have lost legs and broken bones in routines and athletes across American get heat stroke not infrequently. But when it happens in China, I guess it gets to be headline news.


Way to read the article dumbass

I did, fucktard.
But why?
Frits
Profile Joined March 2003
11782 Posts
August 21 2008 17:40 GMT
#26
On August 21 2008 23:33 Hippopotamus wrote:
You know that raises a point. Why do western governments care so much about the safety and security of its citizens?


Because the citizens get to choose their government nowadays.

duh?
QuanticHawk
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
United States32130 Posts
August 21 2008 20:54 GMT
#27
On August 22 2008 02:38 EmeraldSparks wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 22 2008 00:06 Hawk wrote:
On August 21 2008 13:26 EmeraldSparks wrote:
American high school cheerleaders have lost legs and broken bones in routines and athletes across American get heat stroke not infrequently. But when it happens in China, I guess it gets to be headline news.


Way to read the article dumbass

I did, fucktard.


While in Beijing, the constant exposure to the dizzyingly hot summer resulted in heatstroke for some students, particularly during one rain-drenched rehearsal that stretched on for two days and two nights.

The students were kept on their feet for most of the 51-hour rehearsal with little food and rest and no shelter from the night's downpour, as the show's directors attempted to coordinate the 2,008-member performance with multimedia effects, students and their head coach told the AP.

"We had only two meals for the entire time. There was almost no time to sleep, even less time for toilet breaks,"

Welllllll crap on human rights than! wooooooweeeee!

It's not too often you see athletes here working for two days with two meal breaks, or running around with diapers on, huh?
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EmeraldSparks
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
United States1451 Posts
Last Edited: 2008-08-21 22:35:53
August 21 2008 22:33 GMT
#28
Yeah, forcing people to wear diapers is human rights abuse. Somebody call the Hague.

Nations with conscription - South Korea, Israel, the United States at various times in the past - put their citizens through far worse in the name of national service. Unpleasant? Yes. Human rights abuse? I'd hesitate.
But why?
Kaesi
Profile Joined July 2008
United States82 Posts
August 26 2008 18:54 GMT
#29
Jibba can you drop your blatant propaganda? What's disgusting to me is how you try to fob off your own values on everyone else, like you have a greater right to tell others how to live their lives.

If you like the way you live, then great. Go live it. Don't try to act superior to others and drum up some kind of anti-Sino sentiment with your bs arguments.

There are pros and cons to both the USA and China. Both are world powers. China has had barely 40 years to develop. The USA has had at least 100. I don't even need to get into what kinds of external challenges CHina has faced compared to the USA either.

Does China do everything right? No. Is it right to say unions are just pesky things that keep people from becoming great? No. Unions obviously have their good points, and securing proper work conditions for employees is critical for a prosperous and healthy society.

But when it comes to the performing arts and taking things to new heights? Yes. There's a certain amount of dedication and sacrifice that every performer needs to make. Is that level of dedication somewhat muted by US labor laws? Yes, they most definitely are. There's always more than one side to everything. Stop trying to talk about the philosophy like there's a definite black and white. It's juvenile and petty.

The performers choose to be there. They consider it an honor to be there. I highly doubt that the performers didn't have a choice in participating. I don't think any of them were forced into the show. So, in light of that, this is by their own choice. It's not the act of some tyrannical gov't that doesn't give their citizens human rights. Just stfu already with that crappy angle fed by the US propaganda machine.

You ever seen what living conditions are like for Navy SEALS? I bet that breaks more than a few labor laws and human rights doesn't it? Oh but wait, they're volunteers. And it's the military! So that makes it OK. Wait but why? Wouldn't military training be the epitome of governmental policy? Isn't that one of the areas where gov'ts have the greatest say-so in how matters should be conducted? So why should that one be exempt from all this talk you're putting up about human rights?

And honestly, as if the West should talk about human rights. Last I checked, the only country in the world to obliterate an entire civilian population with nuclear weapons, not once but twice, was the US of A. I'm not even going to bother getting into the rampant abuses of the Colonial/Imperialist era of W. Europe. They massacred entire continents. But I guess now that they've had hundreds of years to grow fat and prosperous off the plundered wealth of entire civilizations, they feel superior enough to dictate to others how they should govern their countries. Yeah, I don't smell any hypocrisy there. Nope, just a big heart for all the people of the world. That's exactly what the West is. A beacon of moral fortitude.
Kaesi
Profile Joined July 2008
United States82 Posts
August 26 2008 18:56 GMT
#30
On August 21 2008 23:33 Hippopotamus wrote:
You know that raises a point. Why do western governments care so much about the safety and security of its citizens? In times past citizens were just the people who fed or became soldiers which allowed you to claim territory. Now, citizens are the primary concerns and their safety and health is seemingly so important that the rights of other people may be readily violated just to preserve the health of citizens. It doesn't make sense... unless you really buy into the bullshit that governments actually do represent what the common man wants.


It's quite simple. It's been proven that economic output is greater when you have citizens that are highly educated, in a hygienic and stable environment, with a large degree of intellectual/political freedom, and an economy with low barriers to entry.

It's money. It's always been money. And it always will be money. They do it because it's better.
Jibba
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
United States22883 Posts
Last Edited: 2008-08-26 20:46:59
August 26 2008 20:22 GMT
#31
Your understanding of history is obviously very shallow and comparing military personnel to 17 year old dancers is quite a stretch.

This is exactly the nationalism that I'm questioning. Whenever there's a story about any other part of the world, including the 50,000 stories on the US, we jump on it and criticize them. Post a story about Russia or China and suddenly the motherland sends out an SOS for every forum troll on the planet to start crying.

What I also find hilarious is that you're trying to condemn me for the things the government done, when it has no connection to my morality and especially when I've made multiple posts on this website criticizing the humanitarian record of the US. Patriotism in the Western world includes constantly questioning the judgement of your leaders. Sometimes we fail, but we agree it should always be done. Why have you chosen to go immediately into defensive mode instead of addressing the actual content of the article, as the rest of us are used to doing.
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QuanticHawk
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
United States32130 Posts
August 26 2008 20:46 GMT
#32
Come on Jibba, you wouldn't waddle around in your own shit for a measley 16 hours for your country's colors? Fucking pinko scum.
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BottleAbuser
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
Korea (South)1888 Posts
August 26 2008 21:47 GMT
#33
S. Korea conscripts kids fresh out of high school. 17-18 year olds. And they go through not only basic, but 2 years of service. Compare to 2 days...? But I guess they're military then, so they don't count.

Wait a second. These Chinese fuckers were doing it voluntarily?! Fucking human rights abuse, man. Fuck them chinks.
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Jibba
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
United States22883 Posts
Last Edited: 2008-08-26 22:02:09
August 26 2008 21:59 GMT
#34
Does that have anything to do with my question? Did my op mention a goddamn thing about human rights? Fuck no.

Stop fucking playing the "but someone else does this!" game. It's like dealing with 8 year olds.
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BottleAbuser
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
Korea (South)1888 Posts
Last Edited: 2008-08-26 22:22:29
August 26 2008 22:12 GMT
#35
Eh. Fuck it. Not worth your time or mine. At least not mine.
Compilers are like boyfriends, you miss a period and they go crazy on you.
Jibba
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
United States22883 Posts
August 26 2008 22:32 GMT
#36
No, this bugs me because when we do have real threads on humanitarian issues in China, I post shit like "Japan, Britain and the US all went through the same thing during their industrial revolution" or "it's unfair from China's perspective because those policies stifle development and no one else had to abide by them." There's plenty of more damning stories to post if that was my intent. I'm wondering why the hell would anyone willfully wear diapers for the image of something like an Olympic ceremony? Someone answer the question.
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Boblion
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
France8043 Posts
August 26 2008 22:33 GMT
#37
I like how some Chinese people are so insecure but at least that diaper story made me laught.
fuck all those elitists brb watching streams of elite players.
Romance_us
Profile Joined March 2006
Seychelles1806 Posts
August 26 2008 22:56 GMT
#38
On August 27 2008 06:47 BottleAbuser wrote:
S. Korea conscripts kids fresh out of high school. 17-18 year olds. And they go through not only basic, but 2 years of service. Compare to 2 days...? But I guess they're military then, so they don't count.

Wait a second. These Chinese fuckers were doing it voluntarily?! Fucking human rights abuse, man. Fuck them chinks.


I'm sure they put them through 51 hours at a time, and give them 2 meals, right?

An educated guess would be that this is not very uncommon for the Chinese military, judging by their ridiculous standards and egotistical way of thinking.

Notes and feelings, numbers and reason. The ultimate equilibrium.
kpcrew
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
Korea (South)1071 Posts
August 27 2008 03:20 GMT
#39
On August 27 2008 06:47 BottleAbuser wrote:
S. Korea conscripts kids fresh out of high school. 17-18 year olds. And they go through not only basic, but 2 years of service. Compare to 2 days...? But I guess they're military then, so they don't count.

Wait a second. These Chinese fuckers were doing it voluntarily?! Fucking human rights abuse, man. Fuck them chinks.


not that i agree with this
but north korea is like right there -_-
and north korea has a huge military
Clan Lzuruha
BottleAbuser
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
Korea (South)1888 Posts
August 27 2008 03:40 GMT
#40
If the real issue is why someone would voluntarily do this?

Why would pro gamers train 16+ hours a day?

Practicing an average of 16 hours a day for a 10 year old computer game isn't worth blogging about, but doing it for a truly worldwide performance is?

I've long ago accepted that there are some seriously dedicated people out there that are to me indistinguishable from simply crazy in their level of commitment. These guys aren't dying to do what they want to do - they're not even close to the front of the line.
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