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JohnColtrane
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
Australia4813 Posts
August 18 2008 07:58 GMT
#21
On August 18 2008 16:56 micronesia wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 18 2008 16:53 HeavOnEarth wrote:
and C major is the easiest one heh T.T

But I didn't use any sharps so how was I out of C major at any point?


maybe he wasnt looking at the notes, and just heard you scale up from like a C to a E and assumed you were going out of scale? i dont know, some people have incredible ears and mine arent too flash
HEY MEYT
HeavOnEarth
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
United States7087 Posts
Last Edited: 2008-08-18 08:01:52
August 18 2008 07:59 GMT
#22
On August 18 2008 16:56 micronesia wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 18 2008 16:53 HeavOnEarth wrote:
and C major is the easiest one heh T.T

But I didn't use any sharps so how was I out of C major at any point?


no I was just wondering how i should admit i made a mistake without looking like too much of an idiot
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HeavOnEarth
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
United States7087 Posts
August 18 2008 08:00 GMT
#23
It DID sound off scale though ...
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micronesia
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
United States24753 Posts
August 18 2008 08:01 GMT
#24
Ah ok, I'm not trying to blame anyone; just trying to understand the deal since I'm so new to the topic at hand. Btw is there a reasonably simple explanation for the pattern you provided before (full step, full step, half step, full step, etc)? Why is it like that? I assume the piano was designed to illustrate this principle (positioning of black keys) specifically for this reason...
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JohnColtrane
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
Australia4813 Posts
August 18 2008 08:03 GMT
#25
On August 18 2008 16:59 HeavOnEarth wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 18 2008 16:56 micronesia wrote:
On August 18 2008 16:53 HeavOnEarth wrote:
and C major is the easiest one heh T.T

But I didn't use any sharps so how was I out of C major at any point?


no I was just wondering how i should admit i made a mistake without looking like too much of an idiot


hahaha that sounds like something i would do, except i would try to pass it off as if i was kidding or something
HEY MEYT
JohnColtrane
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
Australia4813 Posts
August 18 2008 08:05 GMT
#26
On August 18 2008 17:01 micronesia wrote:
Ah ok, I'm not trying to blame anyone; just trying to understand the deal since I'm so new to the topic at hand. Btw is there a reasonably simple explanation for the pattern you provided before (full step, full step, half step, full step, etc)? Why is it like that? I assume the piano was designed to illustrate this principle (positioning of black keys) specifically for this reason...


i dont know the exact reason, but it works well when ur creating scales and chords from the major scale. my guess is the half steps in the scale are to even out the two notes that have no sharps, b and e. but theres probably a better reason
HEY MEYT
micronesia
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
United States24753 Posts
August 18 2008 08:08 GMT
#27
On August 18 2008 17:05 JohnColtrane wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 18 2008 17:01 micronesia wrote:
Ah ok, I'm not trying to blame anyone; just trying to understand the deal since I'm so new to the topic at hand. Btw is there a reasonably simple explanation for the pattern you provided before (full step, full step, half step, full step, etc)? Why is it like that? I assume the piano was designed to illustrate this principle (positioning of black keys) specifically for this reason...


i dont know the exact reason, but it works well when ur creating scales and chords from the major scale. my guess is the half steps in the scale are to even out the two notes that have no sharps, b and e. but theres probably a better reason

Ironically I taught a college laboratory class titled "The Physics of Music" but it was so specific that I mastered the specific topics/applications without knowing much about music theory. One thing I recall is that you go up one octave by doubling the frequency of the sound wave :D

The rules for scales and the like are probably linked theoretically to the numerical value of frequencies of each note...
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JohnColtrane
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
Australia4813 Posts
August 18 2008 08:09 GMT
#28
yeah mostly likely, but ive never bothered with learning and remembering cents or whatever the unit is for pitch in music, and ive never asked/been told the reason why either.
HEY MEYT
BottleAbuser
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
Korea (South)1888 Posts
August 18 2008 08:33 GMT
#29
The one thing I remember from high school physics (related to this, that is) is that two sources that are slightly off from each other will result in an oscillating amplitude. Useful, apparently, for estimating by ear how off some instrument is.
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micronesia
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
United States24753 Posts
August 18 2008 08:34 GMT
#30
On August 18 2008 17:33 BottleAbuser wrote:
The one thing I remember from high school physics (related to this, that is) is that two sources that are slightly off from each other will result in an oscillating amplitude. Useful, apparently, for estimating by ear how off some instrument is.

Lol beats. I'm not sure if this is at all relevant though.
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Ancestral
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
United States3230 Posts
Last Edited: 2008-08-18 10:49:37
August 18 2008 10:42 GMT
#31
On August 18 2008 16:53 HeavOnEarth wrote:
i didn't mean anything like listening to every song and nit picking every single sour note;
I mean when i play music and i miss a note ; i can usually tell when it's sour , because I'm accustomed to playing it

Show nested quote +

do you mean you can tell if theres a sour note in the more common scales, like maj/minor, pentatonic, whole, diatonic etc?

im pretty sure i can identify those though
and C major is the easiest one heh T.T

When you use harmonies involving fourths and fifths, something is bound to sound weird because the 5th of the 7th is flat and the 4th of the 4th is sharp, he wrote everything in C. But that's life I suppose.

Edit: To clarify

Fifths and fourths aren't a common harmony in western music, so that's why it sounds "off," coupled with the fact that when you have a constant harmony 4 or 5 scale tones above the root, you'll rum into the tritone, which is 3 whole steps above the root note and sounds unpleasant, coupled with the already awkward sound of a fourth or fifth harmony.

But regardless, I actually think those harmonies are really cool, because they are underutilized.
The Nature and purpose of the martial way are universal; all selfish desires must be roasted in the tempering fires of hard training. - Masutatsu Oyama
JohnColtrane
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
Australia4813 Posts
August 18 2008 11:12 GMT
#32
fifths are plenty common in western music, cadences to fifths are especially common in jazz

i agree with fourths not being used much
HEY MEYT
ShloobeR
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
Korea (South)3820 Posts
August 18 2008 12:53 GMT
#33
Cool song : )

But I could never get used to these Midi programs, it's all about Modplug Tracker!
: o )
Flakes
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States3125 Posts
August 18 2008 13:04 GMT
#34
A lot of contemporary music nowadays uses awkward sounding harmonies. From a piano player's perspective, this sounds pretty tame for contemporary stuff (I mean, at least you can sort of hum it).

Also, I've never heard anyone say off-scale before in my life O.o I always thought the term was off-key.

Cool song, especially if it's your first
Chromyne
Profile Joined January 2008
Canada561 Posts
August 18 2008 18:28 GMT
#35
I have never heard of the term "off-scale," though I think he may be referring to the "avoid" notes of the scale. Sorry I didn't get to listen to the entire song, my internet is spazzy. Being off-key refers to being off-pitch, which would be difficult to do on purpose for a program he used.

BTW, Coltrane your sig is pure truth!
Soli Deo gloria.
MooNDog.
Profile Joined July 2007
United States81 Posts
August 18 2008 20:40 GMT
#36
sounds goooooooooooood
=]
Ancestral
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
United States3230 Posts
August 19 2008 03:40 GMT
#37
On August 18 2008 20:12 JohnColtrane wrote:
fifths are plenty common in western music, cadences to fifths are especially common in jazz

i agree with fourths not being used much

Well in jazz there aren't constant diads all the time. I just mean when double stops are being played, 3rds and 6ths are more common. But I concede 5th harmonies exist (and hence 4ths, because it's the same interval in reverse order).
The Nature and purpose of the martial way are universal; all selfish desires must be roasted in the tempering fires of hard training. - Masutatsu Oyama
thedeadhaji *
Profile Blog Joined January 2006
39489 Posts
August 19 2008 05:10 GMT
#38
Oo kinda reminded me of Secret of Mana 3
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