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ShaLLoW[baY]
Profile Blog Joined January 2007
Canada12499 Posts
July 05 2008 20:44 GMT
#41
On July 06 2008 03:39 Steelflight-Rx wrote:
I don't see why people keep saying "this build never works" or "rarely works" against good players, jaedong did a 3 hatch zergling all in against upmagic in the last OSL for in their last game, and completely destroyed up's FE build.


That was a slightly different circumstance though, as rather than doing the usual run-in-and-surround-the-wall, he mined the mineral patches (it was the RoV spawn on Monghwan) and ran behind him. The factor of being able to do this made the strategy a lot more effective and a lot less of a cheese, as it was nothing more than a calculated strategy.

I noticed I threw the word cheese around; in some opinions, a cheese strategy is something that's guaranteed to work, or at least has a very large chance of working, if the opponent doesn't scout it properly. This is a pretty broad spectrum; if Protoss doesn't scout 3hatch mutas and therefore has no cannons at his main, he's pretty screwed, but 3hatch mutas are definitely not cheese :p

Like was posted before, I believe cheese is something that lowers the skill requirement in an attempt to end the game quickly, ie; proxy dark templars or 5pool.

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MrRammstein
Profile Joined May 2008
Poland339 Posts
July 05 2008 21:41 GMT
#42
Very very probably already mentioned but there is a thread about building placements and even screenshots when Protoss goes FE.

3 things

1) Even pros pull of some of their Probes for good, even when not attacked and replace them with Zealots over time

2) If I can remember correctly in general Forge blocks of for good any running by on the left side of it when placed close enough to cliff/etc

3) ... just as Gate does on its right side
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SiCkShuttle
Profile Joined July 2008
United States24 Posts
July 06 2008 15:31 GMT
#43
i voted no, all depends on the game situation as to how risky it is. PM me for details, id be glad to debate/share.
The Shuttle flies
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Profile Blog Joined January 2005
Calgary26003 Posts
July 06 2008 18:41 GMT
#44
On July 06 2008 03:39 Steelflight-Rx wrote:
I don't see why people keep saying "this build never works" or "rarely works" against good players, jaedong did a 3 hatch zergling all in against upmagic in the last OSL for in their last game, and completely destroyed up's FE build.


"I don't get why people say something rarely works, here's a single example of it working"

WHAT?
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